Tunder Racing TruTop level 3 VS CheaTR v.3 camshafts
06-23-2011, 07:54 AM
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Tunder Racing TruTop level 3 VS CheaTR v.3 camshafts "TR TRuTorq" Level 3 - 223/236 .612/.610 115 LSA 1800- 6800 RPM Power Band
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" CheaTR v.3" - 219/230 .607/.604 117 LSA. Off Idle-6800 RPM Power Band
Any advice for this cams from thunder racing for my ls1 04 holden commodore casue I think I will go with cheatr v.3 cam
other modes :-
Stage 2 Ls6 from TSP heads 64cc Chambers comes with Dual Valve Springs650”
102 FAST intake Mainfold
Nick williams 102mm TB.
SLP catback- headrs
SLP Timing Chains
SLP oil pump
OTR air intak
ARB head bolts
push rods 7.400” from trick flow.
040" Cometic heads Gasket
3.73 geare
ACEL 30lbs fule injectors.
I’m going to start my broject next week so please If you have any advice befor I start plese tell.
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" CheaTR v.3" - 219/230 .607/.604 117 LSA. Off Idle-6800 RPM Power Band
Any advice for this cams from thunder racing for my ls1 04 holden commodore casue I think I will go with cheatr v.3 cam
other modes :-
Stage 2 Ls6 from TSP heads 64cc Chambers comes with Dual Valve Springs650”
102 FAST intake Mainfold
Nick williams 102mm TB.
SLP catback- headrs
SLP Timing Chains
SLP oil pump
OTR air intak
ARB head bolts
push rods 7.400” from trick flow.
040" Cometic heads Gasket
3.73 geare
ACEL 30lbs fule injectors.
I’m going to start my broject next week so please If you have any advice befor I start plese tell.
06-23-2011, 12:55 PM
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i have a tranny cooler for TCI . if mean the additional coler for the tranny oil ...
for ( you'll need a 3,600-4,000 rpm stall ) in need an explaination pls.
for ( you'll need a 3,600-4,000 rpm stall ) in need an explaination pls.
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06-23-2011, 12:59 PM
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With a larger cam your car will be a pain to drive, want to pull through the breaks and or really bog down with the stock stall (torque converter)
Stock stall speed is somewhere between 1,400-1,600.....and you will want a higher rpm stall so the engine can slip and rev higher to keep it were the new can makes power.
Stock stall speed is somewhere between 1,400-1,600.....and you will want a higher rpm stall so the engine can slip and rev higher to keep it were the new can makes power.
06-24-2011, 04:34 AM
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Also, check your KSA laws regarding passing annual exhaust tests with higher overlap cams. The Trutorq is -0.5 overlap (It will thumpthump more than CheaTR V3/ -9.5* overlap).
Both will work with stock stall, but CheaTR is more friendly.
Both will work with stock stall, but CheaTR is more friendly.
06-24-2011, 10:07 AM
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You may also want to check out the small EPS cam. It is much easier on the valve train than the cheater. I'd talk to pat before picking an off the shelf cam from them though. Nothing wrong with the TR cams just have to build up the valve train a bit more for them. Thunder is a great company to deal with as is EPS, so no worries either way.
06-24-2011, 11:10 AM
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Do not let anyone talk you into using your stock stall with a cam swap. Even if its a baby stall for your baby cam, there is no point unless you like hearing yourself talk, which is obviously what people that swap a cam in there car without putting a stall in it first like to do. Since all your doing is listening to your car make a lot more noise, but you can't put that new power and all that noise to good actual use, just like running your mouth and not doing anything about it does.
Please get a stall converter, you seem set on doing this the right way, get a stall.
Please get a stall converter, you seem set on doing this the right way, get a stall.
06-25-2011, 02:01 AM
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Actually I don’t know about the stall converter cause I drive this car dilly you know so h have doubt.
Ok what about the 3.91 gear instead of 3.7 is it going to work better .
Even If I intend to get a stall converter what stage or what….. do I have to install …
Ok what about the 3.91 gear instead of 3.7 is it going to work better .
Even If I intend to get a stall converter what stage or what….. do I have to install …
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What is it with middle eastern guys and stock stalls on cam swaps? Second one I've seen this week. That cam will suck w/o a stall. Just get a 2800 tci. Cheap easy not bad to daily drive on.
06-25-2011, 07:20 AM
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Don't be afraid s a higher stall converter....I daily drive mine with a 4,000 stall....and love it. Young only need a stall but, you really want one too, you just don't know it yet. Once you drive a car with a stall you will know exactly what I mean
06-25-2011, 07:38 AM
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For What Its Worth....stealth cams are designed for stock heads, intake, and
manifolds....the OP has awesome heads, intake, and headers. I agree he
should get a stall (at least a 3200) but a single pattern cam would be more
suited. He also has a pretty decent gear ratio. My thought is TSP 220 if dead
set on staying with stock converter, or TSP 228 (maybe EPS 226) for the mild
stall combo. Also a decent tune would make these cams idle relatively smooth
....not stock but still fairly stealthy
manifolds....the OP has awesome heads, intake, and headers. I agree he
should get a stall (at least a 3200) but a single pattern cam would be more
suited. He also has a pretty decent gear ratio. My thought is TSP 220 if dead
set on staying with stock converter, or TSP 228 (maybe EPS 226) for the mild
stall combo. Also a decent tune would make these cams idle relatively smooth
....not stock but still fairly stealthy