Special Edition Vehicles - 2002 CE Pace Car

Picked up a CE that is believed to be the 3rd Pace Car alot of guys have been talking about over at Collectorfbody.com Anyone know anything about this car?? Last 5 of the vin is 00004.

I cant find out how to register over at there site.

I know it was a GM Executive car then sold at a dealer only sale. A Chevy dealer bought the car and then sold to the guy we bought the car from. Previous owner had the car since 2005. Really dont think he knew what he had.

Any help getting this car documented would be awesome!!

Anyone???

I can tell you that the last six of the VIN on CE #2 are 100006. That car was converted by ASC on February 28, 2001 and is a M6/T-Top car. It is also the first M6/T-Top built.


So for your car to be the third Pace car is unlikely. Click the link in my sig and PM me your info.

Interesting because this car is a M6/TTop. I know it came from the factory like this I did call GM Tech line and they had a Invoice and told me all the options for the car. Usually though the guy told me it shows where the car was shipped,this invoice did not. It just showed the shipping company used. It was a GM Executive car so that could explain that though.

Last six is 100004

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/Hausfeldclassics/Trans%20Am%20Pace%20car/DSC01385.jpg

If CE #2 ends in 100006 and this one ends in 100004, maybe it is CE #1?

Not sure what "3rd pace car" really means. Does that mean it was the 2nd back up pace car at the Daytona 500 in 2002? Even if that is true, that doesn't mean that the 2nd backup car was NOT the 1st actual CE built.

I don't know if the VIN # has much to do with the order. They could have been building them at the same time and simply finished the other one before this one or vice-versa.

You have a point, ASC conversion sequence isn't always the same as the VIN sequence. However, I always thought that the VIN sequence reflected the order in which the cars rolled down the assembly line. I believe there was only one line at St. Therese (I could be wrong on this). In any case, assuming the VIN sequence reflects the assembly sequence on the GM line and ASC didn't adhere to VIN sequence when converting cars, which car would be considered the "1st CETA Built"?? The one with the lower VIN sequence # or the one with the lower ASC#??

You have a point, ASC conversion sequence isn't always the same as the VIN sequence. However, I always thought that the VIN sequence reflected the order in which the cars rolled down the assembly line. I believe there was only one line at St. Therese (I could be wrong on this). In any case, assuming the VIN sequence reflects the assembly sequence on the GM line and ASC didn't adhere to VIN sequence when converting cars, which car would be considered the "1st CETA Built"?? The one with the lower VIN sequence # or the one with the lower ASC#??
I have ran into this with info I have been getting for members.


Take these two cars for example


1999 - White - WS6 - T-Top - 200084: This car was converted on 10/26/1998 and is ASC # 541

1999 - Black - WS6 Formula Hardtop - Auto - 200135: This car was converted on 8/18/1998 and is ASC # 10


The Black has a later VIN but was converted by ASC two months earlier than the White car. I have yet to call and talk with him to see why this happened. This is also the case with some '00, '01 and '02 cars but I haven't had this happen with the CE's.

From what I have been told,this is the first CE T/A built. As for the 3rd Pace Car I have been told there were 2 cars track ready,with strobes,and one car that had stickers as a 3rd back up. The stickers are faded like everyone says the Pace Car stickers did. The feathers are larger than normal CE's I have seen also.

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/Hausfeldclassics/Trans%20Am%20Pace%20car/DSC01377.jpg

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/Hausfeldclassics/Trans%20Am%20Pace%20car/DSC01384.jpg

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/Hausfeldclassics/Trans%20Am%20Pace%20car/DSC01383.jpg

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/Hausfeldclassics/Trans%20Am%20Pace%20car/DSC01380.jpg

Unless the Pace Car stripes are different(which I highly doubt they are), the stripes on that car are not correct.

They were different. They were larger and outlined different. (At least from what I have been reading)

Back in 2002 whe I was doing my research on the pace car I went through the GM ladders and finally got to Curt Collins the Brand Manager for the Firebird. Curt told me the name of the company GM contracted with to supply the feather stripes and door decals. (I think I have the company info somewhere at home). Anyway I did contact the supplier from Florida back in 2002 and they said the actual pace car stripes and hood decals were enlarged 15% over the stock decals. They said the couldn't make any additional decals with out GM's approval and Daytona's approval for the door decal. I called Curt back and asked if GM would approve the production of the lager decals. He said "give me a few day and I'll discuss it internally." Curt called me back and said they talked it over and decided not to authorize it. So that was the end of the line in my quest for getting Pontiac to support the pace car replication.

This is interesting.

I've got some pictures of the cars at Daytona in '02 but they are all of the parade cars which appear to have the production stripes. I'll try to call my guy at ASC tomorrow and see what info he has on your car.

Cool man thanks. That is correct on the Parade Cars,they had normal decals. I copy and pasted that write up about the Pace Cars BTW.

Nice, I like those stripes better than the production run..

I do too. I think it stands out a lot better.

This is getting interesting. I wish I knew more about it, but I only know Camaros.

I don't want to confuse the issue, but I looked in my Firebird folders (not a ton of content, but some) and I believe this is one of the pace cars.

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae335/Callaway-C8/Pontiac-Firebird_Trans_Am_Edition_2002_1600x1200_wallpaper _04.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae335/Callaway-C8/Pontiac-Firebird_Trans_Am_Edition_2002_1600x1200_wallpaper _02.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae335/Callaway-C8/Pontiac-Firebird_Trans_Am_Edition_2002_1600x1200_wallpaper _03.jpg

Notice how the first picture dosent have a Whelen sticker on the door and the last 2 pictures do? I would say are the 3 cars. Hopefully ours is the first picture as it does not have the Whelen decal. From what I have read 2 cars were track ready to pace and one just with the decals as a 3rd back up.

Any info on the ASC #

Do you know how many CEs had the Daytona decals? Because I have pics of another one, and I don't think it's one of the pace cars. I think it's just some sort of festival car.

That is an awesome ride!

3 Pace Cars,not sure about the parade cars.

Just because I don't want to dig it up later... the VIN on one of the cars I have pics of is 2G2FV22G922125425. It was sold at Barrett Jackson with one of those funny titles from GM's bankruptcy auction where it isn't supposed to be driven on public roads.

I don't know if it's technically one of the pace cars or not.

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae335/Callaway-C8/2G2FV22G922125425-26379693_LG.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae335/Callaway-C8/2G2FV22G922125425-26379678_LG.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae335/Callaway-C8/2G2FV22G922125425-26379679_LG.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae335/Callaway-C8/2G2FV22G922125425-26379690_LG.jpg

Here's some pics of one that's much different.

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae335/Callaway-C8/DCP_8864.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae335/Callaway-C8/DCP_8837.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae335/Callaway-C8/DCP_8846.jpg
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae335/Callaway-C8/DCP_8850.jpg

I would say you definitely have one of the three pace cars as they were the only ones with the enlarged stripes. Stripes were enlarged so they could be seen more easily as the car did it's pace duties. Without the Whelen decal or remnants of a stone package which was easily identified by a large white switch located in the tcs switch location, it would seem to be the backup.
Definitely a prized CETA. I'm unsure how to go about getting it documented with Pontiac being gone now, tho.
Maybe just try to get it confirmed by someone at Daytona International?

while shopping for CETAs - I learned that convertibles were used in California as parade cars. I found one at a Porsche dealer in Pennsylvania - that had "17" and "29" on the sides - assuming that was Kenseth and Harvick qualifying next to each other. As I walked up with my son and asked about it - a guy was getting ready to bring it home (there was a question of whether his wife would let him keep it). Dude was great though - he let my son (whose birthday is the 17th) sit in it and take pictures before he took it home. He kept it (maybe he's on here as a member) - I found mine in Michigan about a year later.

In 2004 - I saw one of the ones with the white circle pace car decal. Can't remember who the driver on the windshield banner was - nobody particularly noteworthy. So it seems there were several different uses for the CETAs during the season.

here's a picture of the parade cars in California

I have a call in at Daytona but have not heard back yet. I have heard that they do not have any records of what cars were used. Still waiting to see what the ASC # is.

Any word on the ASC#

Anything??

He has the emails, just waiting on him to get them back to me

Cool thanks,let me know please.

Just found out that this car was indeed the 2nd one built.

Yes it was the second pace car built, it was converted by ASC on Feb 28, 2001

Where is what I've been told from my guy, but it seems something isn't adding up


there are 3 'pace' cars built in 2001 that were the Collectors Editions. They were built in Feb. 27/ 28 of 2001 and they were VINS - 100003, 100006 & 100004. The one you asked me about before was the only manual, # 100006. Numbers #100003 is an auto-convertible and #100004 is a T-Top Auto.

Is there anyway you can email me that info from your guy in some sort of letter stating in fact it was a pace car? So whats strange is that the other 2 pace cars were an auto??

Vin From Thread 28 / Build Sheet / Take Notice / Order Type 10 - PEP /Special Event..



Order Type 10 was used for all Special Event Vehicles...Could be New car shows, Pace Cars etc...
See Below:


Vehicle Information
VIN: 2G2FV22G922125425 Model: 2FV87-2002 PONTIAC FIREBIRD TRANS AM
Service Contract: No Branded Title: No Warranty Block: No PDI Status: No
Order Type: 10 - P.E.P./SPL EVENT
Field Actions: 0 Open


Vehicle Build
Model: 2FV87-2002 PONTIAC FIREBIRD TRANS AM Order Number: DQFZ1V
Gross Vehicle Weight: 1,930 Build Date: 11/07/2001
Build Plant: 2-




Option Codes
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194 - TRIM, EBONY 19I - INT TRIM, EBONY
1SA - OPTION GROUP - 1SA 54U - COLLECTOR YELLOW
6BT - COMPONENT FRT LH COMPUT SEL SUS 7BT - COMPONENT FRT RH COMPUT SEL SUS
8TJ - COMPONENT RR LH COMPUT SEL SUSP 9TJ - COMPONENT RR RH COMPUT SEL SUSP
AAA - STANDARD EQUIPMENT PROCESSING OPTION AG1 - 6-WAY POWER DRIVER SEAT
AK5 - DUAL FRONTAL AIR BAGS AQ9 - CUSTOM BUCKET SEATS W/ADJUSTABLE LUMBAR SUPPORTS
AU0 - REMOTE KEYLESS ENTRY BBS - HURST SHIFTER
C60 - AIR CONDITIONING, CUSTOM CAF - HANDLING CHARGE-ST. THERESE TO AMERICAN SUNROOF
CC1 - LOCKING HATCH ROOF, REMOVABLE DE4 - HATCH ROOF SUNSHADES, REMOVABLE
DG7 - DUAL POWER SPORT MIRRORS DL5 - DECAL ROADSIDE SERVICE
FE4 - RIDE & HANDLING SPECIAL SUSPENSION SYSTEM FE9 - 50-STATE LOW EMISSION VEHICLE
G80 - LIMITED SLIP TORSEN REAR DIFFERENTIAL GU6 - 3.4 RATIO REAR AXLE
IL4 - TRIM INTERIOR DESIGN J65 - BRAKES, PWR 4-WHL,DISC FRT & RR
K43 - 102 AMP GENERATOR LS1 - 5.7 LITER SFI V8 ENGINE
MM6 - TRANSMISSION, 6-SPEED MANUAL MN6 - TRANSMISSION, 6-SPEED MANUAL
NF7 - FEDERAL LOW EMISSION NP5 - STEERING WHEEL, LEATHER WRAPPED W/LEATHER WRAPPED SHIFT KNOB
PBT - TEMP. WHL & TIRE-UPFITTER DLVY PDC - SECURITY PACKAGE CONSISTS OF: THEFT DETERRENT SYSTEM REMOTE KEYLESS ENTRY
PDN - POWER PACKAGE QA9 - WHEEL 17X9 ALUM, PAINTED
QFK - TIRES, P275/40ZR17 SPEED RATED R6J - CDN
R7C - EXPEDITE PROCESSING OF ORDERS SLM - SALES STOCK ORDERS
STE - ASM PLT ST. THERESE T43 - SPOILER, REAR DECK LID
T78 - HEADLAMP CONTROL DELETE U1S - REMOTE COMPACT DISC CHANGER, TRUNK MOUNTED, 12 DISC CAPACITY
U75 - POWER ANTENNA UA6 - THEFT DETERRENT SYSTEM
UB3 - RALLY GAGES W/TACHOMETER UK3 - LEATHER WRAPPED STEERING WHEEL W/RADIO CONTROLS
V12 - POWER STEERING COOLING SYSTEM V73 - VEHICLE CERTIFICATION U.S.
VE2 - PROTECTOR SOURCE APPLIED VM3 - BUMPER STD IMPACT 5 MPH FRT &RR
W55 - RADIO ETR AM/FM STEREO W/COMPACT DISC PLAYER AND GRAPHIC EQUALIZER, INCL. CLOCK, SEEK UP/DOWN, REMOTE CD PRE-WIRING, MONSOON 500 WATT PEAK POWER W/10 SPEAKER PREMIUM SOUND SYSTEM AND STEERING WHEEL, LEATHER WRAPPED, W/RADIO CONTROLS WS6 - RAM AIR PERFORM.& HANDLING PKG: * RAM AIR INDUCTION SYSTEM * FUNCTIONAL AIR SCOOPS * 17" HIGH POLISHED ALUMINUM WHEELS * P275/40ZR17 SPEED RATED TIRES * SPECIFIC LOW RESTRICTION DUAL EXHAUST SYSTEM * SPECIFIC TUNED SUSPENSION
WS9 - FORMULA OPTION Y82 - TRANS AM OPTION
Z15 - ******************************* * COLLECTORS EDITION * *******************************

If you notice, this vehicle was not delivered by a dealer...Invoicing was to GM



Vehicle Information
VIN: 2G2FV22G922125425 Model: 2FV87-2002 PONTIAC FIREBIRD TRANS AM
Service Contract: No Branded Title: No Warranty Block: No PDI Status: No
Order Type: 10 - P.E.P./SPL EVENT
Field Actions: 0 Open


Invoice Information
Invoicing Service Agent: 165940
GENERAL MOTORS COMPANY
7111 E.11 MILE ROAD
WARREN MI 48092-2709 Invoice Date: 12/05/2001



Ship to Information
Invoicing Service Agent: 1676116


Ship to Date: N/A



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Delivery Odometer: 0



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In Service Type: 0000
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Check out the build date..22100004...Daytona was Feb 18th in 2001...Gonna be hard to make from canada to ASC to Daytona for the Daytona Race...



Vehicle Information
VIN: 2G2FV22G322100004 Model: 2FV87-2002 PONTIAC FIREBIRD TRANS AM
Service Contract: No Branded Title: No Warranty Block: No PDI Status: No
Order Type: 10 - P.E.P./SPL EVENT
Field Actions: 0 Open


Vehicle Build
Model: 2FV87-2002 PONTIAC FIREBIRD TRANS AM Order Number: PPF004
Gross Vehicle Weight: 1,934 Build Date: 03/13/2001
Build Plant: 2-




Option Codes
*IVH is not the definitive source of GM Vehicle RPO information and is intended for service reference only. Should there be any questions about the vehicle's original build or RPO information please refer to the original vehicle invoice or window sticker.

194 - TRIM, EBONY 19I - INT TRIM, EBONY
1SA - OPTION GROUP - 1SA 54U - COLLECTOR YELLOW
6BT - COMPONENT FRT LH COMPUT SEL SUS 7BT - COMPONENT FRT RH COMPUT SEL SUS
8TJ - COMPONENT RR LH COMPUT SEL SUSP 9TJ - COMPONENT RR RH COMPUT SEL SUSP
AG1 - 6-WAY POWER DRIVER SEAT AK5 - DUAL FRONTAL AIR BAGS
AQ9 - CUSTOM BUCKET SEATS W/ADJUSTABLE LUMBAR SUPPORTS AU0 - REMOTE KEYLESS ENTRY
BBS - HURST SHIFTER C60 - AIR CONDITIONING, CUSTOM
CAF - HANDLING CHARGE-ST. THERESE TO AMERICAN SUNROOF CC1 - LOCKING HATCH ROOF, REMOVABLE
DE4 - HATCH ROOF SUNSHADES, REMOVABLE DG7 - DUAL POWER SPORT MIRRORS
FE4 - RIDE & HANDLING SPECIAL SUSPENSION SYSTEM FE9 - 50-STATE LOW EMISSION VEHICLE
G80 - LIMITED SLIP TORSEN REAR DIFFERENTIAL GU6 - 3.4 RATIO REAR AXLE
IL4 - TRIM INTERIOR DESIGN J65 - BRAKES, PWR 4-WHL,DISC FRT & RR
K43 - 102 AMP GENERATOR LS1 - 5.7 LITER SFI V8 ENGINE
MM6 - TRANSMISSION, 6-SPEED MANUAL MN6 - TRANSMISSION, 6-SPEED MANUAL
NF7 - FEDERAL LOW EMISSION NP5 - STEERING WHEEL, LEATHER WRAPPED W/LEATHER WRAPPED SHIFT KNOB
NW9 - TRACTION CONTROL PBT - TEMP. WHL & TIRE-UPFITTER DLVY
PDC - SECURITY PACKAGE CONSISTS OF: THEFT DETERRENT SYSTEM REMOTE KEYLESS ENTRY QA9 - WHEEL 17X9 ALUM, PAINTED
QFK - TIRES, P275/40ZR17 SPEED RATED STE - ASM PLT ST. THERESE
T43 - SPOILER, REAR DECK LID T78 - HEADLAMP CONTROL DELETE
U1S - REMOTE COMPACT DISC CHANGER, TRUNK MOUNTED, 12 DISC CAPACITY U75 - POWER ANTENNA
UA6 - THEFT DETERRENT SYSTEM UB3 - RALLY GAGES W/TACHOMETER
UK3 - LEATHER WRAPPED STEERING WHEEL W/RADIO CONTROLS V12 - POWER STEERING COOLING SYSTEM
V73 - VEHICLE CERTIFICATION U.S. VE2 - PROTECTOR SOURCE APPLIED
W55 - RADIO ETR AM/FM STEREO W/COMPACT DISC PLAYER AND GRAPHIC EQUALIZER, INCL. CLOCK, SEEK UP/DOWN, REMOTE CD PRE-WIRING, MONSOON 500 WATT PEAK POWER W/10 SPEAKER PREMIUM SOUND SYSTEM AND STEERING WHEEL, LEATHER WRAPPED, W/RADIO CONTROLS WD0 - "CAPTIVE FLEET" ORDERS
WD1 - PILOT PROCESSING OPTION WS6 - RAM AIR PERFORM.& HANDLING PKG: * RAM AIR INDUCTION SYSTEM * FUNCTIONAL AIR SCOOPS * 17" HIGH POLISHED ALUMINUM WHEELS * P275/40ZR17 SPEED RATED TIRES * SPECIFIC LOW RESTRICTION DUAL EXHAUST SYSTEM * SPECIFIC TUNED SUSPENSION
WS9 - FORMULA OPTION Y82 - TRANS AM OPTION
Z15 - ******************************* * COLLECTORS EDITION * *******************************

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VIN: 2G2FV22G322100004 Model: 2FV87-2002 PONTIAC FIREBIRD TRANS AM
Service Contract: No Branded Title: No Warranty Block: No PDI Status: No
Order Type: 10 - P.E.P./SPL EVENT
Field Actions: 0 Open


Invoice Information
Invoicing Service Agent: 000020
CIPS Dummy Dealer Chile

Invoice Date: 10/09/2001



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TRANSGLOBAL LLC
1020 DORIS RD
AUBURN HILLS MI 48326-2613 24834062460000 Ship to Date: N/A



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In Service Type: 0000
In Service Odometer: 0

Is there anyway you can email me that info from your guy in some sort of letter stating in fact it was a pace car? So whats strange is that the other 2 pace cars were an auto??
You would be better off having that from PHS or Daytona. I'm sure there is a pace car registery or website somewhere

Check out the build date..22100004...Daytona was Feb 18th in 2001...Gonna be hard to make from canada to ASC to Daytona for the Daytona Race...
These cars paced the 2002 race

PHS was no help too new. Texasless thanks for the info but yea these cars did pace the 02 race not the 01 race.

Invoice Information
Invoicing Service Agent: 000020
CIPS Dummy Dealer Chile

Invoice Date: 10/09/2001


Wonder what this means???

Yep,,,,you're right...2002 race....My bad...I was just looking @ build date. The Chile thing ? No clue