Racer's Lounge - Honda or GM.....

for a daily driver of course.

The ws6 is staying but I want to mod it more, and play with it, like it should be played with.

I need something economical...I loved my Silverado ss but gas it was killing me.

I found a few honda preludes I like but they all have small mods and they seemed like they may have been played with at some point and time.

I am wanting to find something fun, cheap, and dependable...and stock...kinda hard to do.

What cars do you recomend?

I founda 07 Cobalt SS S/C for 7900 locally. Seems like a great car..my gf owns a 05. Are the S/c cars pretty quick with descent gas mileage.

If you want something dependable then you can scrap the cobalt idea...... hondas have a million mile club for a reason..... a cobalt is a throw away car after so many miles they squeek and have failures. Just my .02 cents





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I used to build turbo Hondas before I got my GTO, and I'd recommend a 99-01 Civic SI for you. They're descently quick in stock form, and you'll get around 30mpg. I've also owned a Prelude and they suck to say the least. They avg 20mpg, and are slow as hell.

I used to build turbo Hondas before I got my GTO, and I'd recommend a 99-01 Civic SI for you. They're descently quick in stock form, and you'll get around 30mpg. I've also owned a Prelude and they suck to say the least. They avg 20mpg, and are slow as hell.

:nod: Yes, this would be an excellent option IMO. That's actually what I plan to get to DD once I can get the cash for one.

i have a 2007 cobalt and i drive it pretty rough it has 99k miles and so far no problems that the average guy cant fix. so far the only things ive changed is the battery and the exhaust flex connector ( just welded in a universal one) both together less than $100. And one cv shaft seal but it was barely leaking i just did it cause it was still under powertrain warranty. They do not have a timing belt to change it has a chain. Its gets about 29 or 30 mixed driving and 33 interstate driving. I have the 2.2l auto and for what it is it has plenty of power.

Yeah Im tempted to go get this cobat.

7800 out the door 1 owner supercharged ss

I used to build turbo Hondas before I got my GTO, and I'd recommend a 99-01 Civic SI for you. They're descently quick in stock form, and you'll get around 30mpg. I've also owned a Prelude and they suck to say the least. They avg 20mpg, and are slow as hell.

There is no 2001 Civic Si, but I agree with the rest :nod:

If you want something dependable then you can scrap the cobalt idea...... hondas have a million mile club for a reason..... a cobalt is a throw away car after so many miles they squeek and have failures. Just my .02 cents





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You constantly telling people cobalts and all domestic cars are junk and hondas are so great is getting really annoying, and not at all accurate.

Yeah Im tempted to go get this cobat.

7800 out the door 1 owner supercharged ss

I've been looking at prices on them for a friend, and that seems like a pretty good deal. Don't beat the shit out of it, and it can be a good car for you for a long time.

If you want something dependable then you can scrap the cobalt idea...... hondas have a million mile club for a reason..... a cobalt is a throw away car after so many miles they squeek and have failures. Just my .02 cents





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oh yes, Honda's are so reliable. oh wait, i spent over $4k in repairs on my '93 Civic, because sh*t kept breaking. two blown engines, a toasted trans, brakes were shot more than once. even on the reman engines, it was eating oil. did i mention it was rusting into oblivion??? '93 Civic with 186k miles.

my old 1990 RS (3.1L/700R4) went a good 230k miles with me beating the sh*t out of it. i religiously auto-x raced that car. if i had replaced the rear main seal on it, i'd still be racing it. that was the only real problem it had.

Had great reliability and fuel mileage from my 07 Cobalt SS/SC. Never had one reason to take it to the shop. Put over 70000 miles on it in every type of weather you can imagine. Solid car, nothing failed mechanically or in the interior, only gave it back as it was a lease and we needed an SUV....miss that car!

Note: Made sure my car had the limited slip diff - if you will be in any kind of snow it's a must have! That LSD + snow tires and I could go almost anywhere (not offroad obviously).

You constantly telling people cobalts and all domestic cars are junk and hondas are so great is getting really annoying, and not at all accurate.

dont take my word for it:judge:


the cobalt and the civic are direct competitors, they are in the same class and are each others equal

difference is gm or honda

which is what this thread is about


take a base model cobalt and a base model civic..... look up nada values or look up kbb values and you tell me which one drops in value more & more every year that goes by??? i'll even help you out a little bit, heres a hint, "its not the honda"


the reason why value is dropping more is because the quality is dropping more!!!


like i said, dont take my word for it, take the word of every car value guide out there:judge:






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A used Honda that is more than 4 years old or so is a ripoff IMO because the resale value is so high. You can find a larger car with less miles for the same $$$$ as a base civic.

As for the Cobalt, they're decent cars. A million times better than the Cavalier they replaced, and IMO way better than a Neon or Focus.

Cobalt SS are pretty good cars, a buddy of mine used to have one. They are not to bad on gas and they look alright.

dont take my word for it:judge:


the cobalt and the civic are direct competitors, they are in the same class and are each others equal

difference is gm or honda

which is what this thread is about


take a base model cobalt and a base model civic..... look up nada values or look up kbb values and you tell me which one drops in value more & more every year that goes by??? i'll even help you out a little bit, heres a hint, "its not the honda"


the reason why value is dropping more is because the quality is dropping more!!!


like i said, dont take my word for it, take the word of every car value guide out there:judge:






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Hmmm...the ignorance is strong on this one. :)

Are you sure that's the only reason? So...if i bought a brand new honda accord from a dealer, drove it for less than 5 miles to my house and the value dropped by $2k is because in that less than 5 mile drive the quality of the car dropped?

Am I understanding your logic right? It does not have to be a brand new car, a used car will also work with the logic above.

Price does not ALWAYS equal quality. It's all about supply and demand, and price does not always control demand. It's all about perceived value. The trick is, finding a good quality car that has been perceived less than what it's worth, and that my friend, is the way to find a good deal.

Am I understanding your logic right?

no, no you're not understanding at all.......,

if anything you are searching for straws out of desperation


1st of all, its not "my" logic


how do you think n.a.d.a. or kbb get their values?!?!?

its the market, the market is based off of buyers which is "everyone"


every time you see a value on something thats because thats whats its worth to the public

you guys can try to point the finger at me and say that im ignorant or whatever you want but the fact is this isnt my opinion, this is the opinion of the market, which includes everyone







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Well guys I just got back from driving the cobalt...that is one peppy lil som bitch.

I think for the price ima bight the bullet...althought redline it did pull 16lbs of boost so hmm.

Agh well...getting ready to be called driving a girls car.

I also have a 1997 civic that I have been working on off and on for the last four months. I got the car for next to nothing cause the interior was f'd up. I bought it cause they say they last forever and a close friend needs a car. Well honda motors do very well its the electrical and super thin sheetmetal that makes car poor quality in my opinion. I had a 1996 sunfire a few years back with way more miles than the civic and was probably made better than the civic.

I also have a 1997 civic that I have been working on off and on for the last four months. I got the car for next to nothing cause the interior was f'd up. I bought it cause they say they last forever and a close friend needs a car. Well honda motors do very well its the electrical and super thin sheetmetal that makes car poor quality in my opinion. I had a 1996 sunfire a few years back with way more miles than the civic and was probably made better than the civic.

Sunfires and Cavaliers were some of the worst cars made in the past 30 years.

It all depends on what you want/need out of the car.

4 doors a must?
40mpg a must?
Cheap replacement parts?
Solid aftermarket?
etc.?

I wanted a honda as a DD but all the ones around here are total POS's, that have either been riced out or ill maintained.

I had a 1991 BMW 318i that i absolutely loved, but it turned out they had an issue with the timing chain that cracks the front of the block. Ditched that suckers asap. It also struggled to break 30mpg, driving hypermiler style nearly all the time.

I ended up with a 1.6L miata. I love this little car, it deff. makes my commute more fun when traffic is a bear and i opt for the canyon route. :nod: Solid car, the only issue i have had was a leaky seal on the clutch master cylinder. 20min fix and $20 part from autozone. :D I get a solid 33mpg no matter how i drive it.

no, no you're not understanding at all.......,

if anything you are searching for straws out of desperation


1st of all, its not "my" logic


how do you think n.a.d.a. or kbb get their values?!?!?

its the market, the market is based off of buyers which is "everyone"


every time you see a value on something thats because thats whats its worth to the public

you guys can try to point the finger at me and say that im ignorant or whatever you want but the fact is this isnt my opinion, this is the opinion of the market, which includes everyone







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When was the last time the public was "smart" instead of just being sheeple? The used car value is higher because brainwashed people will pay the difference for a warm, fuzzy feeling that comes from not knowing a damn thing about cars and trusting magazine writers. Ignorance is bliss, no?

Honda mostly makes great, reliable vehicles. (in fact one of the only import brands I would ever consider buying) but the Ecotec engines have proven themselves well to be very reliable.

OP, the cobalt is a steal and you'll never get tired of that whining eaton. Go for it.

I'm not a honda fan so I vote nissan 240sx:nod:

My 96 civic with 160k is a total pos but gets 30mpg all day. Got the two kid seats in the back and I dont care what the kids do to it.
I do like the cobalt though.

I worked at the Honda assembly plant up in Ohio and after being there I can say without a doubt in my mind. I WILL NEVER BUY A HONDA

5 years ago I wouldnt have been could dead in a Honda, when gas went up I bought my Civic and its been the best car Ive ever owned. I paid 2 grand for it 60k miles ago and it still reliably gets 35-40 mpg with the ac blowing. 216k miles and still has the stock clutch....barely

I'm not sure why you guys are taking stuff personally, Honda makes long lasting reliable cars that can go to 300k+ easily. Same with Toyotas and same with Nissans. My honda passport went 215k before I got rid of it without much issues.

The majority includes the NON-enthusiasts that buy cars for their reliability and and their gas millage, not HP and 0-60 times that why 900 camrys are sold a day like mentioned on The Car Show. All I'm saying is that the "majority" fall under the non-car guys and they just want to get to work without a headache with a reliable long lasting cars, and that's the Japs specialties

I'm not sure why you guys are taking stuff personally, Honda makes long lasting reliable cars that can go to 300k+ easily. Same with Toyotas and same with Nissans. My honda passport went 215k before I got rid of it without much issues.

The majority includes the NON-enthusiasts that buy cars for their reliability and and their gas millage, not HP and 0-60 times that why 900 camrys are sold a day like mentioned on The Car Show. All I'm saying is that the "majority" fall under the non-car guys and they just want to get to work without a headache with a reliable long lasting cars, and that's the Japs specialties

Gotta bust your balls some on your "Honda" Passport. They were really just Isuzu Rodeos with an H on the grill. Still Isuzu made great trucks, it just wasn't a Honda you were driving.

Gotta bust your balls some on your "Honda" Passport. They were really just Isuzu Rodeos with an H on the grill. Still Isuzu made great trucks, it just wasn't a Honda you were driving.

Thanks captain obvious, I knew that lol Just saying I had a great experience with my Honda and that is their specialty. Didn't say GM wasn't capable of making long lasting cars, but that is not their specialty.

Hey it depends, if you want luxury and economy, or just economy, if just economy i would say get ANY 4banger civic if you have loads of DD to do. But you wont look good doin it xD.

Thanks captain obvious, I knew that lol Just saying I had a great experience with my Honda and that is their specialty. Didn't say GM wasn't capable of making long lasting cars, but that is not their specialty.

The problem with this is you didn't have a Honda...you had a great experience with your Isuzu. (A GM company at the time)

^^^^^ Preludes are nice but u need 2 get one with a h22, they are much faster than an civic, I would recommend a Srt-4 and scrap the cobalt ss idea, my srt-4 held was reliable, never had problems with it ,other than normal wear and tear items like brakes and I beat the hell out of mine, just do not get an 03

^^^^^ Preludes are nice but u need 2 get one with a h22, they are much faster than an civic, I would recommend a Srt-4 and scrap the cobalt ss idea, my srt-4 held was reliable, never had problems with it ,other than normal wear and tear items like brakes and I beat the hell out of mine, just do not get an 03 and only one problem with it i just rememberd the shift fork to 3rd gear bends easy, that is only problems they have

Bought the cobalt..turns out has a stage 2 kit on it.

Very satisfied with it.

And yes I drove, srt-4s, preludes, civics...for some reason the cobalt just felt better to me...so far averaging 31mpg easy driving.

no, no you're not understanding at all.......,

if anything you are searching for straws out of desperation


1st of all, its not "my" logic


how do you think n.a.d.a. or kbb get their values?!?!?

its the market, the market is based off of buyers which is "everyone"


every time you see a value on something thats because thats whats its worth to the public

you guys can try to point the finger at me and say that im ignorant or whatever you want but the fact is this isnt my opinion, this is the opinion of the market, which includes everyone







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It's funny that you turn to the perception of the public argument, when your original argument was about quality. :)

Value dropped because quality dropped. Remember? Public perception has little to do with the original quality. If most of the board members here think you're a douche, does that automatically make you one?

If you know so well how KBB get their values from, please enlighten us with more specifics rather than assumptions. :)

Bought the cobalt..turns out has a stage 2 kit on it.

Very satisfied with it.

And yes I drove, srt-4s, preludes, civics...for some reason the cobalt just felt better to me...so far averaging 31mpg easy driving.

Post up some pics!

Ecotecs 4 the win. They're great engines IMO.