Chevrolet Performance LSX Challenge Series and LSX Shootout - Real Street Rules PER GM High Tech Mag

So I know I am being a pain in the ass about this. but just want to make sure everything is being said is right.


On LS1Tech it says NO Manual Transmissions in Real Street.

but in GM High Tech is says T56 Transmission allowed.


am I missing something?

thanks.

New mid-year adjustments to the rules...

Sounds like a good change, now a car that came with a t56 doesnt have to put a auto in sounds good

I find it funny, that I was told, there is not way to compete in a class like this with a T56, then you guys make us put weight on??

I'm glad they changed the rule but i was curious if you could run an aftermarket gearset, like the gforce gears.

I'm glad they changed the rule but i was curious if you could run an aftermarket gearset, like the gforce gears.

MANUAL TRANSMISSION: Only T56 and TR6060 manual transmissions permitted. Clutchless models prohibited. Any gear change must occur from direct action by the driver. Pneumatic, electric, hydraulic, etc. shifters prohibited. All transmissions must use either a). As produced, as supplied (unmodified) OEM gears and/or gear sets for transmission used). Gears and/or gear sets may not be utilized from other models. Transmission used is required to have a gear ratio in all gears as offered by the transmission used. Welding or grafting part of one countershaft to part of another counter shaft will not be accepted.
PERMITTED MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS:
Tremec T56-
Tremec TR6060-

I interpret that as OEM gears only and the unmodified would mean there's no faceplating allowed.

MANUAL TRANSMISSION: Only T56 and TR6060 manual transmissions permitted. Clutchless models prohibited. Any gear change must occur from direct action by the driver. Pneumatic, electric, hydraulic, etc. shifters prohibited. All transmissions must use either a). As produced, as supplied (unmodified) OEM gears and/or gear sets for transmission used). Gears and/or gear sets may not be utilized from other models. Transmission used is required to have a gear ratio in all gears as offered by the transmission used. Welding or grafting part of one countershaft to part of another counter shaft will not be accepted.
PERMITTED MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS:
Tremec T56-
Tremec TR6060-

I interpret that as OEM gears only and the unmodified would mean there's no faceplating allowed.

Thanks man, I don't think one of these trans will hold up with these rules but i guess its still a good thing they added them.

New mid-year adjustments to the rules...

What happened to the Paxton Novi 2500 supercharger request?

What happened to the Paxton Novi 2500 supercharger request?

It's with the 88mm Turbo request...

In the trash can...:nod:

That would be something to consider for next year's rules. Mid-year changes are going to be minimal.

I find it funny, that I was told, there is not way to compete in a class like this with a T56, then you guys make us put weight on??

I agree. That makes absolutely no sense.
The rule change is giant if it includes all motor which some are saying.

That means the auto go mid 8's and the 6 speed cars go mid nines??

I find it funny, that I was told, there is not way to compete in a class like this with a T56, then you guys make us put weight on??

Doesn’t sound funny per say, It sounds crazy... Where is the logic here?

I agree. That makes absolutely no sense.
The rule change is giant if it includes all motor which some are saying.

That means the auto go mid 8's and the 6 speed cars go mid nines??

I agree 100%... Again, this makes no sense, nor is it fair....

no faceplated gears?

no faceplated gears?

That's the way I read it for real street. Not sure about all motor.

LOL. Here lets let the guys crazy enough to bring out some of the fastest T56 cars, but limit them, add weight and blah blah blah.


Do they not know the fastest T56 F body has only been 8.90's, and anything showing up to compete would need to run faster than that when nobody has?

LOL. Here lets let the guys crazy enough to bring out some of the fastest T56 cars, but limit them, add weight and blah blah blah.


Do they not know the fastest T56 F body has only been 8.90's, and anything showing up to compete would need to run faster than that when nobody has?

The message is clear, they don't want manual guys in the class.

The message is clear, they don't want manual guys in the class.

Certainly appears this way. I wonder why though... The manual transmission guys are at such a disadvantage already - why would they make us use stock transmissions and then penalize us an additional 200 lbs...? I would love someone to make sense of this for us and to explain why this is fair?

Certainly appears this way. I wonder why though... The manual transmission guys are at such a disadvantage already - why would they make us use stock transmissions and then penalize us an additional 200 lbs...? I would love someone to make sense of this for us and to explain why this is fair?

The weight adder for Real Street is only 50lbs. The 200lb weight adder is for All Motor and if I recall it was previously 150lbs, so they only tacked on an additional 50lbs. The advantage is to the manual cars in All Motor that is why they carry more weight. If you are trying to use a T56 in A.M. then you are at a disadvantage b/c the rules allow the use of a liberty.

Thanks for nothing NMCA.

I like that they allowed the T56 but I also don't understand the weight penalty. I could maybe see the weight penalty if you could use a face plated gear set. There is no way that a OEM style T56 has any advantage over the autos in Real Street requiring a weight penalty.

I like that they allowed the T56 but I also don't understand the weight penalty. I could maybe see the weight penalty if you could use a face plated gear set. There is no way that a OEM style T56 has any advantage over the autos in Real Street requiring a weight penalty.

Even a faceplated t-56 is a big disavantage over an auto esp. with an IRS.

Holy crap there are letting 6 speeds run and still mess it up. It a disadvantage no matter what, Its not a lenco or some crap, Not that i would but how would they know it was faceplated? They going to make you prove it when your not even going to be competive in the class when cars are going half second to a full second faster? Times are tough I would want as many entrys as possible.

I'm guessing that you guys think they should let folks drop weight if they run an OE T56. Well show up, run and then they can react from there. They don't drop weight for cars that never show up, take it from me.

I'm guessing that you guys think they should let folks drop weight if they run an OE T56. Well show up, run and then they can react from there. They don't drop weight for cars that never show up, take it from me.

Yea this is a good call.

Question about adding weight.

So if I'm already 3,800 lbs. I have to add another 50 lbs.? Or is that if your at min. weight. :usa:

PSJ - I've been there and have run and my 9.6x's were no where close to winning last year. I have made a lot of changes to the car and should have it done by the Fest but I don't think I can come close to running a 8.5x.

Its just hard for me to understand 50lbs when one of the fastest runs ever with a T56 is 8.69 and that trans was face-plated and had all the bells and whistles. The auto's at the Georgia race had that covered by at least 0.5.

50lbs or not I'm gonna bust ass and get the car done and show up.... after all it is drag racing and anything can happen....

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Its 50lbs on top of the minimum weight so for me

Nitrous 420 = 3000
4 Bolt Oem Block = -50
T56 OEM Gears = +50

So my race weight is 3000lbs or grater.

Yea this is a good call.

Question about adding weight.

So if I'm already 3,800 lbs. I have to add another 50 lbs.? Or is that if your at min. weight. :usa:

Weight deductions or add-ons are based off class minimum weight rules.

Not that my opinion matters all that much, but not allowing face-plated and pro-shifted gears is not really helping the car count. Joe went 8.69 with modded T56 stuff and nobody I think has come close since with a fully stock T56.

I don't know what you other guys so it's hard to gauge where you set the bar.

Thanks for nothing NMCA.

I agree... :bang:

I like that they allowed the T56 but I also don't understand the weight penalty. I could maybe see the weight penalty if you could use a face plated gear set. There is no way that a OEM style T56 has any advantage over the autos in Real Street requiring a weight penalty. I agree 100%... Weight penalty for a stock t-56 or TR 6060? Doesn’t make any sense at all. I wouldn’t necessarily object to a reasonable weight penalty for a faceplated tranny, but certainly don’t believe it to be fair to completely ban them from use. And a weight adder/penalty for a stock manual trans…? C’mon, Really…?!

Even a faceplated t-56 is a big disavantage over an auto esp. with an IRS.

Very very true!!!

Holy crap there are letting 6 speeds run and still mess it up. It a disadvantage no matter what, Its not a lenco or some crap, Not that i would but how would they know it was faceplated? They going to make you prove it when your not even going to be competive in the class when cars are going half second to a full second faster? Times are tough I would want as many entrys as possible.

They are half way there in being fair... Just half way...

I'm guessing that you guys think they should let folks drop weight if they run an OE T56. Well show up, run and then they can react from there. They don't drop weight for cars that never show up, take it from me.

We'll be showing up this year even though we don’t like or agree with the unfair (IMO) rules...