What's the verdict on EFILive 2 step (Valet mode)
08-12-2011, 11:43 PM
#1
What's the verdict on EFILive 2 step (Valet mode) Lots of people are saying not to use this as a two step... I want to use it on my turbocharged trans am.. a lot of the common arguments are:
It will run lean because it's a fuel cutoff, not a spark cutoff
It will damage cats (obviously I have none)
Here's the thing- When a PCM cuts fuel, it cuts it completely. It won't run lean, it'll just pump air and waste the spark, then apply full fuel when it drops below the RPM window. It's like a factory rev limiter (which is safe, for the most part) It sounds safe to me, with my logic. I want to spool my turbo at the tree with the two-step, using Valet mode. How could it possibly do engine damage unless the fueling was leaned out when it comes back on? Trying to figure out the logic behind why I shouldn't use it. Seems to make more sense than dumping raw fuel into my manifolds via a standard spark retard fuel step, and backfiring into my compressor wheel (bearing damage etc)... Thoughts?
It will run lean because it's a fuel cutoff, not a spark cutoff
It will damage cats (obviously I have none)
Here's the thing- When a PCM cuts fuel, it cuts it completely. It won't run lean, it'll just pump air and waste the spark, then apply full fuel when it drops below the RPM window. It's like a factory rev limiter (which is safe, for the most part) It sounds safe to me, with my logic. I want to spool my turbo at the tree with the two-step, using Valet mode. How could it possibly do engine damage unless the fueling was leaned out when it comes back on? Trying to figure out the logic behind why I shouldn't use it. Seems to make more sense than dumping raw fuel into my manifolds via a standard spark retard fuel step, and backfiring into my compressor wheel (bearing damage etc)... Thoughts?
08-13-2011, 12:35 PM
#4
Well here is the theory behind 2 steps and F/I that most people either don't know or don't realize.
When you are using a 2 step with a turbo it's main purpose is to spool the turbo faster and consistently.
What a spark cut-off 2 step (or otherwise known as anti-lag in the rally world) does is moves the combustion process outside of the combustion chamber into the hot manifolds and crossover. The actual heat from the manifolds and crossover is what ignites the fuel thus creating the exhaust pulses much closer to the turbine wheel and spooling the turbo faster.
It's all about getting the turbo spooled quicker by doing that so I don't see how it will spool any faster with a fuel cut-off than just spooling on the footbrake or t brake. I don't see it being effective for what you want because of how it is "suppose" to work. Now I'm not saying sitting at the tree for 3-4 seconds won't spool it, but your heating tranny fluid up and just heat soaking the motor doing that.
This is just my .02 worth and you can do whatever you want and it will probably work, just not how you want it too.
When you are using a 2 step with a turbo it's main purpose is to spool the turbo faster and consistently.
What a spark cut-off 2 step (or otherwise known as anti-lag in the rally world) does is moves the combustion process outside of the combustion chamber into the hot manifolds and crossover. The actual heat from the manifolds and crossover is what ignites the fuel thus creating the exhaust pulses much closer to the turbine wheel and spooling the turbo faster.
It's all about getting the turbo spooled quicker by doing that so I don't see how it will spool any faster with a fuel cut-off than just spooling on the footbrake or t brake. I don't see it being effective for what you want because of how it is "suppose" to work. Now I'm not saying sitting at the tree for 3-4 seconds won't spool it, but your heating tranny fluid up and just heat soaking the motor doing that.
This is just my .02 worth and you can do whatever you want and it will probably work, just not how you want it too.
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08-16-2011, 10:23 AM
#8
As gregrob said you need a proper 2/3 step that uses a spark cut off not fuel cut off for a turbo car to spool on the line like you will want it too.
