93v8clone

im doing a forged no2 396 over the winter for my car . my question is ,do i need to half fill the block ? as im sure clearincing it is gonna leave it thin . im runnin a forged eagle crank ,forged eagle h-beam rods and j-e forged slugs with my a.f.r 210 heads . also how streetable is a half filled block ? i bring my car out my car out mostly at night and dont really drive it as a daily at all

SS RRR

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If you use Eagle rods it's a guarantee you'll have to get the block filled due to the rod bolt profile. Use Compstars and with a competent builder you won't have any trouble with clearancing the pan rail.

Jpack

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As said above, spend the extra cash and get the compstar stroker rods. I have them in mine and required no block fill, can run stock base circle cam. These rods require the least amount of clearencing in the block and come with arp 2000 bolts.

93v8clone

No anyone that needs a set of 6in eagle rods wit a.r.p studs lol

SS RRR

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I sold mine on e-bay fairly quickly.

96capricemgr

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With a 6" rod and NO2 I would be looking at a 383, besides the already addressed poor choice in Eagle rods.

joelster

Run this pan and you don't need to clearance your stock one.

Milodon part #30909

That pan cleared my motor just resting on the block without a gasket on it. I spun the motor over by hand and it never hit.

If you run a good I-beam rod, chances are it will clear with minimal fuss. I-beams clear much easier than H-beams do. You can find a set of I-beams that can handle serious power for around $500.

ElkySS

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thats funny. im running a 396 with 6.0 eagle rods and have been doing just fine daily driving and beating the **** out of it for over a year.

joelster

Impossible!

Just you wait, lol. I'm sure the Eagle bashers (that have never owned anything Eagle) will chime in with plenty of INTERNET links and hearsay.

SS RRR

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No one said anything about the quality of the rod and whether or not it can be run with a 3.875 stroke. As a comparison my builder put my Eagle rods and the Compstars I just bought side by side and the rod bolts on the Eagles were .100" taller that difference can mean whether or not you break into a water jacket when clearancing.

I reckon since you finally got your turd started you are no longer on quiet time, eh?

And speaking of "INTERNET links..." are you still going to plug Clayton Racing as intense as you did w/out ever owning their product?

JasonShort

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I've used Eagle rods in two of my 396's (including my current one) without any issues or having to fill the block. However, I would probably use a different rod if I was starting from scratch. The Oliver rods have a pretty low profile "big end" which allows for not havin to remove as much material from the block. In my opinion, if you have to fill your block at this level, the engine has not been properly built. 2% of the "street cars" may require it, but certianly not at the common level of build that your setup is.

noice

Yea man I have an Eagle 396 rotating assembly as well, on a daily driver. To the people complaining about eagle rods, it is usually the bolts that are the weak link. The L19 bolts are very strong but the bolt heads are so big that clearancing is a problem. If you go with the ARP2000 bolts it is much easier to clearance.

If your machinist is grinding the bottom of the cylinder walls by hand and doesn't do that kind of work often they can hit the water easily.

The bottom line is that many people that have stuffed 4 in cranks in an LT1, it can be done.

joelster

It has run all year. Was down for 3 days to swap motor.

I will plug their quality of work anytime anyone wants some feedback. The engine looked great and has zero issues. If someone wants a quality built motor and has no care in the world when it will be finished, they are the shop to go to.

You suck at trying to stir the pot, btw. It's funny how you always post in the shootout threads but you don't have the means to attend, lol.

BADHAWK51

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Ya, but he sure makes for some fun reading.

93v8clone

ok , the eagle rods i have are equipped wit the arp2000 bolts . whta my machinist said is that if the block had anycore shift and he hit water he would have to fill it . not a fill guarnatee . im askin mostly cause im thinkin bout half fillin to be safe . i wanna do a 350-400 shot to it thats why . oh and for the record i have ran eagle cranks -rods etc in both cast and forged variances with so far zero problems "8 motors " i just run by all the eagle hate cause most on forums all are a serious engine tech,, butt there cars wont run cause they cant diag a bad opti or coil . yeah im gonna listen to those guys lol.

Jpack

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Ummm, you are gonna need a lot more than what you have to handle that big of a hit.... ever been behind the wheel of a car having that much?

93v8clone

Hmmmmm yes I have , the block is a splayed 4 bolt jewel valvetrain and the car is fully suspended wit a 9in and face is being.g built next month . Like I said I'm not a young kid and have been in fast cars unlike most in here . Just cause I don't post on here everyday makes me not fast ? I'm sorry I post everday so I to can have a 9 sec like most

Jpack

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I understand that. Just looking at your Sig I questioned that. Things like a dedicated fuel system, different trans, converter etc....there is a big dollar commitment to set up a car to handle that. I personally would go with better internals taking that kind of hit.

SS RRR

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Oh I can always count on some bat **** crazy response from you.
That's the spirit, though. Plug a shop that takes almost a year to do a short block and lemmings everywhere will believe that is the norm, you trend setter you!
Someone gets it.
Right. I would suggest keeping it a bit simpler. IMO you'll be happy enough with a built engine that can handle a 150-200 shot.

93v8clone

I have a motor in it now taking a 150 -200. I have a.f.r 210 heads th400 with a brake etc I just asked on the block fill as I was insure . Eagle forged stuff is just as good as anyone else's as long as internet noitalls stay out