02 Camaro

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Looking to do heads cam to my 02 z28 a4 and i was wondering if a 3200 stall would work with an ms4

01ssreda4

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Will it be drive-able? Absolutely. Will you get drug by TR224/4k stall cars....Absolutely.

It just isn't a good combo IMO.

lemons12

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I can personally say I am a witness to this a couple times over! Pisses them off, makes me laugh.

Minimum 4000 converter. You buy a max effort cam... You better have the "*****" to go all out otherwise it will run sub par times and you will be beat by smaller cam cars with a more well thought out setup.

bigger converter or choose a smaller cam.

lemons12

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Thinking of it... I won't flame you, no matter the reason.

What was the reason you wanted to have an Ms4 cam and a 3200 converter?

01ssreda4

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Bottom line is: a 3200 will get you by. That's all it will do though.

c0ncEpT

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Don't be afraid of a big converter. Period

I have a 4K stall in my bolt on car and honestly wish it was a tad looser.

While I do only drive my car 2-3 days a week because I have another car I could easily DD it.

02 Camaro

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Im going with the 3200 converter bc i found a deal but im willing to spend the money and the MS4 bc its a big cam and i found a good deal on a brand new one... Ive never driven a car with a converter so idk what to expect

lemons12

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Bigger Is not always better, in this case It Is horrible.

We all have converters, you will want a 4000 minimum. You will not enjoy the setup.

There are many cams that will outperform the ms4, while being much smaller. It all depends on the rest of the setup.

c0ncEpT

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Lemons12 speaks the truth. I'm sure you are trying to do a "Budget build" but key components like a converter and a cam have to work together. Buying one or the other on the sole reason of it being a "Good deal" ends up costing you more in the long run. Some people wonder why there big cammed cars get drug by 224 cars and run low 12's.

Were not trying to flame you at all but it would be a wise choice to go with either a 4000+ converter or a smaller cam. I personally would do both.

lemons12

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This. 226 cam and a 4000 here. I have personally drug to separate Ms4 cars... From high and low rolls and destroyed them from a dig.
However, my old Ms4 car would have walked my 226 car pretty hard, even without a tune for the heads.

It is all in the setup.

Sales2@Texas-speed

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Unfortunately this is true. You need the better combo, not just the biggest cam. And then it gets posted on Youtube and people forever think the 224 is the "better" cam, which isn't really true....it was just a better combo for that guy.

I'd go no smaller than a 3600rpm stall speed for the Magic Stick cams, and if it's my car I'd go 4K.

01ssreda4

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MS cams need rpms. Your stock trans can't shift at 6500+rpm reliably anyway. In an auto car, a built trans is a must to run those cams without fear of busting your trans all to ****. So that "good deal" may not turn out so good when you are either losing races or replacing transmissions.

02 Camaro

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Now just out of curiosity if i had a manual what would be the ideal setup? a Big cam or something else?

I appreciate all the help! Im new the engine work and im trying to learn whatever i can

01ssreda4

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Manuals are more forgiving bc the trans isn't as prone to failure from rpm. The MS cams are designed to pull strong to 7k, maybe more...at the expense of low end torque. Your stock A4 tranny cannot and will not do this for very long. Your stock bottom end of your motor wont like turning 7k either. So if you are forced to suffer the loss of bottom end, but fail to reap the benefits of insane power from 6-7k....makes the cam seem kinda pointless.