12 Second Club - Hoping for 11's with New 410's

So i ran it last night after doing the rear over with 410's from the 342's and i didnt do better My 60ft dropped to a 1.786 which isnt bad its prob got more in it which will help just its in a 10 bolt with a 6 speed so i dont go to crazy with it. But i figured the new gears would get me to the 11's and doesnt seem possible with this Cam only set up. Maybe some weight reduction? Traction isnt the issue just seems not enough power to do it. I could buy a new throttle body maybe just to add a little more hp. But anyways heres the slips from the Old rear end on the LEFT and the new gears and rear on the RIGHT. Think i can get 11's or is that not going to happen with this set up? Maybe some ideas to get this car going quicker. Video is below also. Thanks

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e151/Gsxr1000Z71/IMAG0257.jpg

Also here's the dyno sheet where my torque is falling off the map after 5100 so i should maybe shift early
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e151/Gsxr1000Z71/IMAG0259.jpg

http://youtu.be/PNrt5rluoTE

the car made 423whp and traps 113? something isn't adding up. what's the DA when you ran? an m6 410 car should be knocking down those timeslips without a cam.

Very strange your 60' ET times are quicker, but your mph is slower and your other ET's are only marginally faster.. just with that improvement of your 60' you should have been very close to running an 11??? something somewhere is not jiving?? like shift points? tire size? you really need to look at a couple logs while at the track to find out whats happening?? Maybe your getting some knock retard?? look over the graphs closely and i bet you find something out of place.. Good luck man..

the car made 423whp and traps 113? something isn't adding up. what's the DA when you ran? an m6 410 car should be knocking down those timeslips without a cam.

x2. You should be trapping 120mph + with 423rwhp (I trap 124+ with 413rwhp). 4.10 should actually be to much gear if your on a 26" tire. What rpm are you turning? What's your car weight?

The da was 2500 which sucks. I definitely need to get something to log the runs what's a good unit to buy ? What's strange is i made 394rwhp when it got tuned then i dynoed it later it made 423 but even so if it was 394 it should be faster than what it is. The tires I have are MT et streets 255 60 16s they definitely hook well. But i will change my shift points and try at like 6500 see if that helps. Also the car is full weight also with a tool box Jack and a bunch of other weight haha this wednesday I will remove a bunch of Shit. Rear seat, tire and ill find other stuff.

The da was 2500 which sucks. I definitely need to get something to log the runs what's a good unit to buy ? What's strange is i made 394rwhp when it got tuned then i dynoed it later it made 423 but even so if it was 394 it should be faster than what it is. The tires I have are MT et streets 255 60 16s they definitely hook well. But i will change my shift points and try at like 6500 see if that helps. Also the car is full weight also with a tool box Jack and a bunch of other weight haha this wednesday I will remove a bunch of Shit. Rear seat, tire and ill find other stuff.

You need to find someone with HP tuners and run the car at the track with their laptop and log the runs... Not sure if you can log without buying lic. credits, but thats what you need to try to see what is actually happening during your runs...

One thing to look at is you ran in june (low 90's weather) and than the second time you ran was in aug (100+ weather). Go back when it starts to cool off again at the end of september and I bet it starts running alot faster again.

You need to find someone with HP tuners and run the car at the track with their laptop and log the runs... Not sure if you can log without buying lic. credits, but thats what you need to try to see what is actually happening during your runs...

I'll buy the HP tuners i'm going to need it next year for my new 6.0 Turbo set up. That thing is more than i expected but a great tool to use when running and tuning the car

One thing to look at is you ran in june (low 90's weather) and than the second time you ran was in aug (100+ weather). Go back when it starts to cool off again at the end of september and I bet it starts running alot faster again.

It actually was cool the night i ran but the DA was high 3100. We dont often get to a 100 in this area. But we will see this wednesday or Saturday

^^^^ put 2.73s in your car so you can go thru the traps at the top of 2nd, with your logic your car will run an amazing ET. sacrificing gearing to reduce how many shifts you have to make is the most rediculas thing ive ever heard.

congrats on you et, and i hope to see you and me in the 11s real soon:D.

OP i'm just going to say it like I see it at my local track that I goto.

I have yet to see a M6 cam only LS1 Fbody or even cam and intake only M6LS1 Fbody run 11's in June,,July,,or August at the track I goto.

I feel forums members 1/4et's are so far over exaggerated that in the parking lot and staging lanes at the track I goto NO one has there hoods up ,because they don't want to be embarresed by there mid to high 12second ET's with H/C/I they just keep there hoods down.

Actually in one of the recent GMhightech issues one of the editors even mentioned this same issue about an LSX event that was free for anyone that wanted to race there cars that a sponser was paying for everyones admission into the race. The editor said that there was more LS cars in the parking lot that Paid to see the races than there was on the track that got to enter for free.
I agree with this editor that mostly likely half the cars in the parking lot that chose not to race didn't want there real ET times to be revealed because that would reveal there Forum typed over exaggerated 1/4 mile ET times.

The last two LS1 cars that I witness run a 11second pass was a C5 M6 Z06 with nitrous and DR's he ran a 11.8 at 118mph and a 2000 camaro with cam ,,stalled A4 and nitrous run a 11.9 at 112mph.

So OP wile your times may seem dissapointing to you based on everyone elses FORUM ET's ,,but from what I have seen at my local track over the years your car is running along with most of the cam and intake LS1 cars that I see at my local track.

Also I have 3.42's right now and I have been debating going with 4.11 gears,,,as of right now I end the 1/4 at the top of 3rd gear and have been debating if I go with 4.11's that will cause me to have to shift into 4th gear that if having to make that extra shift into 4th gear will cause me to run around the same time as I already am with the 3.42gears,,because everytime we shift we are loosing valuable time in the 1/4mile.

Lastly if it makes you feel any better my best time so far and my car weighs almost 3700lbs with me int it and a 2600DA was 12.34 at 115.98mph with a 2.04 60ft bouncing off the rev limiter just before the end of the 1/4mile in 3rd gear.
My rev limiter is set at 6500rpm along with i'm having to shift early into 2nd and 3rd gear to stay off the rev limiter my 1/8 mile MPH was 94.94mph.

So i'm raising the rev limiter to 7000rpm and will be shifting into 2nd and 3rd gear at 6500-6700rpm I think I can run atleast a 11.9 with my stock lowered suspension and Toyo DR's with my factory 3.42 gears,,3700lbs and a 2.04 60ft.

If you are seeing people with h/c/i running mid 12's they are just fucking retarded and should sell there cars. That is pathetic. My bolt-on car runs 12.3's. There are people on here in 11's with bot-ons and stock internals. It's not people just posting up bs. If you have a cammed/bolt-on car that isn't running 11.4's-12.1's with a d/a under 2800 either they can't drive, can't cut a decent 60ft or something is wrong. And a h/c/i car running mid 12's should not happen. You should not be running 12.3's with your mods. You have problems I see, but god damn.

^^^^ 12.7 @ 109 here lid & catback, 9" 4.11s, 3660lbs. i must have heads, cam and LTs and not know it lol.

Are you a ford guy or something??? Ive seen many cam and head ls1's go low 11's Grandted they are autos but they still run low 11's. And a nitrous z06 running that time is god awful! i had a stock z06 with Drag radials and i ran a 12.5 it was stock even with the stock exhaust. We all know on here the LS motors have insane potential every auto has proved this point stock automatic cars running 12's and with a stall and some small work getting high 11's.

^^^^ put 2.73s in your car so you can go thru the traps at the top of 2nd, with your logic your car will run an amazing et. Sacrificing gearing to reduce how many shifts you have to make is the most rediculas thing ive ever heard.

hahahahahaha

I have to add to 1of625's statement. Granted I don't go to the track every weekend but when I do I don't see many LS1 cars running 11's. I've beaten so many with my SI LT1 it's sad. One guy was really upset when I opened my hood and showed him. He had a 383 H/C/I dynoed tuned and was 3/10's slower than me. It just goes to show you there's more to buying parts and bolting them on to go fast.

Camaro9969 be patient you'll get it worked out.

There's not many 6 speed 11 second cars but every auto i see at lebanon runs low to mid 11's that's the trick get an automatic and run 11s but i like a challenge

I like a chanllenge too, I'm in the middle of the 6 speed swap and hopefully Sept. 10 I'm going to try my luck with one, or blow up the 10 bolt.

I like a chanllenge too, I'm in the middle of the 6 speed swap and hopefully Sept. 10 I'm going to try my luck with one, or blow up the 10 bolt.

Haha your swapping it with a m6? Ill be curious of the time difference that's a nice car and will be so much fun drive on the street with a manual. I can't believe you're still on the 10 bolt! Congratulations!

If you want to be a smart azz↑↑↑↑ I can be one to,,because you just spent money on a factory 10bolt buying 4.11 gears to run the same exact time that you ran with 3.42gears which in the end equals fail:bomb: especially when the 10bolt leaves you stranded at the track.

You run a 1.786 60ft in 66dgree weather with a DA of 1602 and you still couldn't get into the 11's even with 4.11gears.

I could only dream of 66degree weather and a 1602DA in August at my local track,,,hell my car would have ran a 11second pass bouncing off the rev limiter with a 2.0+ 60ft with 3.42 gears with Toyo DR's if the DA was 1602 at my local track.

I can go on and on ,,but the fact still remains if you would have raced your car on the same day same time August 26th 2011 at 7.35pm at my local drag strip it was 87.8degrees outside with a DA of 3130 you would have ran a 12.7-12.8 based on the time slips you posted at the start of this page.

Am I starting to make since to you now??? because I can't make my point any clearer than what I just wrote above↑↑↑ the facts and reasons are there.

So agian you and others can make all the remarks you want about my first reply to this thread ,,,but agian as noted above based on my local track conditions I just don't see what yall are seeing at your local tracks that often especially in June,July,August,and September if the temps are still in the 90degree range threw out the day.

No one is saying to go run in the heat. How about you try coming down here. It has been 100+ everyday for like 2 months and our d/a here is in the 4000 plus range. Anyone knows when you run in hot ass weather with a shitty d/a your times are going to be much slower. Your first post made it sound like h/c/i cars are ok to be running mid 12's. Shit I went to the track in 90 degree weather the other d/a with horrible track prep. I cut a 1.9 60ft with a 3800ft d/a and still ran a 12.8@107. It's not miths people are running 12's and low 12's with bolt-ons. The run below was on some shitty 89 octane with ethanol. It was a very nice day in the vid and it was still 2000ft d/a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnBIslWxXbo&feature=channel_video_title

No one is saying to go run in the heat. How about you try coming down here. It has been 100+ everyday for like 2 months and our d/a here is in the 4000 plus range. Anyone knows when you run in hot ass weather with a shitty d/a your times are going to be much slower. Your first post made it sound like h/c/i cars are ok to be running mid 12's. Shit I went to the track in 90 degree weather the other d/a with horrible track prep. I cut a 1.9 60ft with a 3800ft d/a and still ran a 12.8@107. It's not miths people are running 12's and low 12's with bolt-ons. The run below was on some shitty 89 octane with ethanol. It was a very nice day in the vid and it was still 2000ft d/a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnBIslWxXbo&feature=channel_video_title

according to 1of625 you must have heads and cam!

Haha your swapping it with a m6? Ill be curious of the time difference that's a nice car and will be so much fun drive on the street with a manual. I can't believe you're still on the 10 bolt! Congratulations!

I know right. ET's will suffer but I'll be happy as long as trap speed goes up. I only live 20 or so minutes from the track so I don't mind risking it with the 10 bolt.

I know right. ET's will suffer but I'll be happy as long as trap speed goes up. I only live 20 or so minutes from the track so I don't mind risking it with the 10 bolt.

I've got AAA so if u need it ill be at the track anyways I'm sure

You can't go the same day I'm going for the first time with a 6 speed. No one can go, I don't want anyone laughing when I stall it off the line or miss a shift or spit the carrier out the back. :D

I've seen alot of cam only cars not be impressive. I guess they don't have their shit in a pile. I thought 11's was easy.....a ls6 swap will get you there and then some if you know what your doing. I don't go race in the summer...I go swimming or jetskiing.

Good luck with the 6spd swap....it will be alot funner to drive your car instead of ride in it ;). The 10 bolt will live for a while if your nice to it. 4.11's are weak, 3.90 is a better choice for strength, and even speed for me. The taller the gear the more tooth contact.

If you want to be a smart azz↑↑↑↑ I can be one to,,because you just spent money on a factory 10bolt buying 4.11 gears to run the same exact time that you ran with 3.42gears which in the end equals fail:bomb: especially when the 10bolt leaves you stranded at the track.

You run a 1.786 60ft in 66dgree weather with a DA of 1602 and you still couldn't get into the 11's even with 4.11gears.

I could only dream of 66degree weather and a 1602DA in August at my local track,,,hell my car would have ran a 11second pass bouncing off the rev limiter with a 2.0+ 60ft with 3.42 gears with Toyo DR's if the DA was 1602 at my local track.

I can go on and on ,,but the fact still remains if you would have raced your car on the same day same time August 26th 2011 at 7.35pm at my local drag strip it was 87.8degrees outside with a DA of 3130 you would have ran a 12.7-12.8 based on the time slips you posted at the start of this page.

Am I starting to make since to you now??? because I can't make my point any clearer than what I just wrote above↑↑↑ the facts and reasons are there.

So agian you and others can make all the remarks you want about my first reply to this thread ,,,but agian as noted above based on my local track conditions I just don't see what yall are seeing at your local tracks that often especially in June,July,August,and September if the temps are still in the 90degree range threw out the day.

Well first off this rear end with tht 410's moser axles and cover were all free so i wouldnt call it a "Fail" i just got the rear end for nothing and figured why not change it out. I wouldnt ever put money into a 10 bolt i'm buying a 9" for when i have my turbo set up done this winter. But i'll see what it does tomorrow when i run it.

Ha ha funny ↑↑↑

SLP Iroc-Z ,,,,To prove my point agian ,,,, At New England Dragway on August 26th 2011 at 7:55pm it was 70degree's with a DA of 1054.

So at my local track same day around the same time your 12.7 at 109 would have been a 13.1-13.2 at 107mph.

Point proven agian to my first reply.

keep crunching those #s bench racer, i run what i run at MY track!

You can't go the same day I'm going for the first time with a 6 speed. No one can go, I don't want anyone laughing when I stall it off the line or miss a shift or spit the carrier out the back. :D

Haha you wont stall it just play around on the street you will be fine. What gears you going with in the 10 bolt?

I have Motive 3.73's in there and that is what's staying until the spiders decide to run away, or a pinion looses a molar.

↑↑ Obviously I have finally gotten my point across to someone about what I see at my local track June-September:D:D:D:D:D:D:D.

you didnt have to post in this thread for me or most anyone else here to know that weather and altitude effect performance. i am well aware, that is basic knowledge in this hobby.

it seems youre not as aware of what youre preaching as you think you are, probably the reason you find other members ETs on forums to be "exagerated".

you didnt have to post in this thread for me or most anyone else here to know that weather and altitude effect performance. i am well aware, that is basic knowledge in this hobby.

it seems youre not as aware of what youre preaching as you think you are, probably the reason you find other members ETs on forums to be "exagerated".

Exactly^^^ No one cares that cars run shitty as hell at your track. Like said above. Go swimming in the summer and don't try to set your best times. It's that simple. Everyone knows the car is going to run slower in the 3 months you mention over and over cuz it's FUCKING HOTT.

x2. You should be trapping 120mph + with 423rwhp (I trap 124+ with 413rwhp). 4.10 should actually be to much gear if your on a 26" tire. What rpm are you turning? What's your car weight?
This is what I read or hear about the 120+ traps but the guys that do are they runnin slicks & skinnies & how much weight reduction? I guarantee theres some weight reduction done. Also guys with 10 bolts & M6 tend to take it easy on the launch, I know I did. These are considerable factors but I will agree 113 trap speed is low for 423 whp.

If you are seeing people with h/c/i running mid 12's they are just fucking retarded and should sell there cars. That is pathetic. My bolt-on car runs 12.3's. There are people on here in 11's with bot-ons and stock internals. It's not people just posting up bs. If you have a cammed/bolt-on car that isn't running 11.4's-12.1's with a d/a under 2800 either they can't drive, can't cut a decent 60ft or something is wrong. And a h/c/i car running mid 12's should not happen. You should not be running 12.3's with your mods. You have problems I see, but god damn.

Lots of factors, good drivers, bad drivers, proper suspension setup, tire selection, not enough track time, granny shifting just to name a few. Not everyone you see at the track will drive their car to its full potential. The OPs time slips 60' times improved so the launch is decent but its possible he's losing mph from granny shifting & lifting off the throttle too much.

There's not many 6 speed 11 second cars but every auto i see at lebanon runs low to mid 11's that's the trick get an automatic and run 11s but i like a challenge

I hear ya, one of the reasons I got an M6 car was its a challenge & the fact that the T56 can handle waay more than a 4l60e. Anyone can drive an auto, consistent yes but very boring IMO.

If you are seeing people with h/c/i running mid 12's they are just fucking retarded and should sell there cars. That is pathetic. My bolt-on car runs 12.3's. There are people on here in 11's with bot-ons and stock internals. It's not people just posting up bs. If you have a cammed/bolt-on car that isn't running 11.4's-12.1's with a d/a under 2800 either they can't drive, can't cut a decent 60ft or something is wrong. And a h/c/i car running mid 12's should not happen. You should not be running 12.3's with your mods. You have problems I see, but god damn.

Well I don't have any after market heads just stock shitty 853's and i dynoed it on a mustang at 397rwhp and on a dnyojet at 423rwhp. So who knows whatever one was accurate. Either way i was shifting early and will run it tonight. I wouldn't say a 12.3 is bad for just a cam gotta remember this isn't an automatic. If it was i would run 11s no problem and would save that 10 bolt.

This is what I read or hear about the 120+ traps but the guys that do are they runnin slicks & skinnies & how much weight reduction? I guarantee theres some weight reduction done. Also guys with 10 bolts & M6 tend to take it easy on the launch, I know I did. These are considerable factors but I will agree 113 trap speed is low for 423 whp.



Lots of factors, good drivers, bad drivers, proper suspension setup, tire selection, not enough track time, granny shifting just to name a few. Not everyone you see at the track will drive their car to its full potential. The OPs time slips 60' times improved so the launch is decent but its possible he's losing mph from granny shifting & lifting off the throttle too much.



I hear ya, one of the reasons I got an M6 car was its a challenge & the fact that the T56 can handle waay more than a 4l60e. Anyone can drive an auto, consistent yes but very boring IMO.

I had drag radials and skinnies to go 124. It will go over 122 with my 18's on it. Yes I have weight reduction now. Still has all creature comforts and all interior. It actually went 119.8 with minimal anything (mac headers, ory, airlid, free mods, !jack/spare and of course the crate ls6).
You have enough power, practice your driving as it is critical with a m6 car.

I have Motive 3.73's in there and that is what's staying until the spiders decide to run away, or a pinion looses a molar.

I was curious i know you always log your runs at the track ive seen that. What do you use?? HP tuners? I want to pick up somethign to log and tune it just not sure whats a good one out there

I was curious i know you always log your runs at the track ive seen that. What do you use?? HP tuners? I want to pick up somethign to log and tune it just not sure whats a good one out there

No, I have an LT1 so I can only use Datamaster or Freescan.

No, I have an LT1 so I can only use Datamaster or Freescan.

Oh ya i keep forgetting you had the Lt1 motor in that (but so does everyone i'm sure)

So ran last night used my shift light and was trapping 114 all night did a 12.30 @114 1.89 60 ft my best of the night i ran with someone in the car did a 1.76 60 7.89 1/8th @93mph!!! Had to jam on the brakes and still got kicked out 13.00 @75mph. So if i stayed in it that could of been the best run. Either way the more seat time the better launches I'm getting. I tried dumping it at 5 grand but it spun like crazy and pulled a 2.0.....so i dropped more air out down to 16psi and dumped it pretty hard around 5 it felt much better. I think its got 12.0s in it at best but we will see...... Not sure the MPH was from the air, shift points, taking some weight out, removing AC belt haha, or all together but its closer. And I don't need to hear what I would run at "your track"

For the Fair weather racers the DA at your track was
4:54pm ===1766DA
7:54pm===1196DA
9:54pm===981DA

Based on your tracks schedule maybe you to need to be a fair weather racer TOO and go back on October 30th the last Test&Tune your track is having and maybe the temps will be around 48degrees with a DA of around -20 ,,then maybe you'll get into the 11's:nod:

Good Luck


Or maybe i could put heads on it and have no problem getting the 11's I also have some spray but i wanted to get 11's on its own it really doesnt matter its not like i'm racing to make money its all fun man...What are you running what do you have done???

I'm a fair weather racer and proud of it. If you wanna beat your head off a wall and wonder why shit won't go as sweat drips off your balls go ahead.....I'm a little smarter than that.
See ya the pool!

So ran last night used my shift light and was trapping 114 all night did a 12.30 @114 1.89 60 ft my best of the night i ran with someone in the car did a 1.76 60 7.89 1/8th @93mph!!! Had to jam on the brakes and still got kicked out 13.00 @75mph. So if i stayed in it that could of been the best run. Either way the more seat time the better launches I'm getting. I tried dumping it at 5 grand but it spun like crazy and pulled a 2.0.....so i dropped more air out down to 16psi and dumped it pretty hard around 5 it felt much better. I think its got 12.0s in it at best but we will see...... Not sure the MPH was from the air, shift points, taking some weight out, removing AC belt haha, or all together but its closer. And I don't need to hear what I would run at "your track"

the mph gain was prob from raising your shift points. 12.30 @ 114 with a 1.89 60' aint bad at all.

more seat time, youll get it. that mph is good for 11s.

the mph gain was prob from raising your shift points. 12.30 @ 114 with a 1.89 60' aint bad at all.

more seat time, youll get it. that mph is good for 11s.

Ya i had a 1.76 60' that would of been a great run but no big deal. I noticed my rev limiter is at 6500 or damn close to that maybe 6700.

I know what you mean the last time I went to the track I was hot laping my car I had already run three consistant 12.3's in a row and on the forth time around I let out 2lbs of air from my Dr's ,,my launch was alittle better with a 2.020 60ft my 330 was a tenth faster than my previous three 12.3 passes ,,,but when I mashed the clutch pedal down to go to 3rd gear the clutch pedal just stuck to the floor and didn't go into 3rd gear,,,funny thing is from 2nd gear to nuetral I still ran a 13.9 at 72mph coasting down the rest of the track.

Based on my 330ft I would have ran atleast a 12.2,,but the clutch fluid got to hot from hot laping it so many times. So I need to refreshen and bleed my clutch fluid,,before I go back to the track.

I had to deal with that mess all last year.....new clutch fluid, drill mod, new master cylinder.......nothing worked till i got a NEW clutch and slave cyl. Now its perfect. The monster stage 3 helps also. 12.3 is a good time for that 60ft. 2.020 with Drag Radials is horrible you must of been spinning or something

114 isn't bad. it still seems kind of low for 423whp. is it possible that the dyno is happy and we're all chasing a unicorn?

around here m6 cammed cars making 400-410whp on a dynojet typically trap 115-118. obviously factors like weight removal and ability to drive fall into place. my friend had a cam only a4 car that went 116 @ full weight on the stock pulley, tb, ls6 intake, etc. that car was strong from the getgo, though.

1of625 - you just need to accept the fact that your setup is slow. something somewhere is amiss. be it the tune, cam timing, etc. i had a full weight bolt-on car that ultimately went 12.0s @ 111+ with a da above 2k'. also, somehow, the 99 m6 car my wife bought on a whim went 8.29 @ 88 with just a lid and weld in flowmaster 80 series. never duplicated the ET again, but it had numerous 87/111 passes at the strip. it was on eibach sportlines, completely stock other than those 3 mods.

114 isn't bad. it still seems kind of low for 423whp. is it possible that the dyno is happy and we're all chasing a unicorn?

around here m6 cammed cars making 400-410whp on a dynojet typically trap 115-118. obviously factors like weight removal and ability to drive fall into place. my friend had a cam only a4 car that went 116 @ full weight on the stock pulley, tb, ls6 intake, etc. that car was strong from the getgo, though.

1of625 - you just need to accept the fact that your setup is slow. something somewhere is amiss. be it the tune, cam timing, etc. i had a full weight bolt-on car that ultimately went 12.0s @ 111+ with a da above 2k'. also, somehow, the 99 m6 car my wife bought on a whim went 8.29 @ 88 with just a lid and weld in flowmaster 80 series. never duplicated the ET again, but it had numerous 87/111 passes at the strip. it was on eibach sportlines, completely stock other than those 3 mods.

Like I wrote before it was tuned and dynoed on a mustang dyno at 397rwhp and a couple months later on a dynojet at 423rwhp so who knows. Doesn't matter I am going to keep at it and I've ran a 12.3 in 95 degree weather and a 12.3 in 60 degree weather so as of now i have a consistent low 12 second car

Obviously you have not rdead all my post in this thread:eyes:no, i didn't. i read the first one and quickly determined you had little knowledge regarding this engine/chassis combo and its performance in the 1/4 mile. if you're happy with your setup and its performance - by all means, let ignorance provide years of bliss.

if i was going to exaggerate or make up numbers for my cars and others i've seen/worked on, i sure as hell wouldn't be scraping up 1-2 mph or 2-3 tenths haha. come on up here to irp. i'm sure you'll pick up that 7 mph you're missing down there in ga. ;)

no, i didn't. i read the first one and quickly determined you had little knowledge regarding this engine/chassis combo and its performance in the 1/4 mile. if you're happy with your setup and its performance - by all means, let ignorance provide years of bliss.

if i was going to exaggerate or make up numbers for my cars and others i've seen/worked on, i sure as hell wouldn't be scraping up 1-2 mph or 2-3 tenths haha. come on up here to irp. i'm sure you'll pick up that 7 mph you're missing down there in ga. ;)

hahahahahhaha :D

You seemed to be knocking all LS powered cars for some reason. All i stated was my times and i hoped i would be running 11's with my set up. And just got negative things back. Like i stated it was dyno tuned at 397rwhp and like 375tq but then i dynoed it again on a dynojet and it went to 423 so its one of those number haha. But either way in my opinion NOBODY on here has a piece of crap car. They are all GM powered motors and i'm a fan of that. I dont care if your car ran a 14 i still would "like" it I just would say its slow.

For the Fair weather racers the DA at your track was
4:54pm ===1766DA
7:54pm===1196DA
9:54pm===981DA

Based on your tracks schedule maybe you to need to be a fair weather racer TOO and go back on October 30th the last Test&Tune your track is having and maybe the temps will be around 48degrees with a DA of around -20 ,,then maybe you'll get into the 11's:nod:

Good Luck

where he is from Mass and close to New England Dragway there is still a lot to be gained in DA's this fall- those DA's are still piss poor for this area , he did very well considering weather.....

The best nights are usually in the -800 to -1500 DA's on fall street nights. You will need to pick which night you go after watching the weather and plugging everything into a DA calculator to find a night with those good DA numbers.

I have bought 2 ls1 cars since spring but havent had them to the track waiting for the decent da's to come which is what I have always done with my 3800 SC FWD cars I have been running the last 4 or 5 years. I am planning to beat my best pb of 12.2 @118 FWD V6 lol.

If we happen to be there on the same night your more than welcome to scan a pass or 2 with my HP tuners BTW

where he is from Mass and close to New England Dragway there is still a lot to be gained in DA's this fall- those DA's are still piss poor for this area , he did very well considering weather.....

The best nights are usually in the -800 to -1500 DA's on fall street nights. You will need to pick which night you go after watching the weather and plugging everything into a DA calculator to find a night with those good DA numbers.

I have bought 2 ls1 cars since spring but havent had them to the track waiting for the decent da's to come which is what I have always done with my 3800 SC FWD cars I have been running the last 4 or 5 years. I am planning to beat my best pb of 12.2 @118 FWD V6 lol.

If we happen to be there on the same night your more than welcome to scan a pass or 2 with my HP tuners BTW

I usually run at LVD (Lebanon Valley) but i could make the trip to New England Dragway its about 2.5 to get there but that would be awesome if i could scan a pass id really appreciate it. 12.2 FWD V6 thats awesome is it a GTP?? Ya i hope to hit 11's with just this i'll be so pumped. I have Nitrous sitting in the garage but didnt want to use it. And next year i have a Turbo so i like the whole NA 11 haha

I usually run at LVD (Lebanon Valley) but i could make the trip to New England Dragway its about 2.5 to get there but that would be awesome if i could scan a pass id really appreciate it. 12.2 FWD V6 thats awesome is it a GTP?? Ya i hope to hit 11's with just this i'll be so pumped. I have Nitrous sitting in the garage but didnt want to use it. And next year i have a Turbo so i like the whole NA 11 haha

yes 4 door gtp that I no longer own , but I also have a 4 door regal gs 3800/SC with 220k that has run 13.1 @109 for me

Lol at heads cam cars running 12s in any conditions under 5000+da.

1of625, ask damian himself if those are average numbers.
Or hell, you can take a ride in my car when I come down to atl to get it tuned.. And it isn't even an aggressive head/cal setup..226 cam and hand ported 317s, stock ls6 intake. Shooting for 11.0@123 or so, 3500#.

Funny thread.

ya exactly anyone who runs 12's with heads and a cam i'm sure needs a little better driving. I still have stock heads if i didnt i'd be pissed at myself for the awful driving

I'm sorry, I didn't know we were talking cars that were capable of low to mid 11s with monkeys behind the wheel that cut 2.5 short times. My buddies afr heads fast intake cam full bolt ons 01 ws6 runs mid 8s@91 cause he cant drive it. Car should run mid 7s..

Any half ass set up cam car with supporting mods and a decent driver with traction shouod easily run 11s. Argue that with a monkey behind the wheel it won't hit 11s, Ill agree.. Argue that with a respectable driver it wont hit 11s, ill laugh at you.

I have a baby 226 cam hand ported 317s and supporting mods full weight..2 hours north of you this time of year I run 7.3s@94 with 1.50-1.52 short times barely spinning. My buddies 98 full weight trans am with lid full exhaust converter and a 228r ran 11.7s in Florida two months ago. Stock ls1 intake with 273 gears.
Arguing that with a horrible driver they don't run xxx ets is pointless because everyone agrees. Arguing that that car shouldnt run those times, lol. you actually said forum times are exaggerated, ill show you my car running faster times than listed In my sig.

I have to agree with you there.........there is NO comparison at all when you do times with an auto or a m6 its night and day not to mention theres no driver error. or well there shouldnt be!!!

Based on your mods and 60ft along with having a A4 that 1/8 should have been alot faster,,heck my car M6 3700lbs with 2.0+ 60ft with a monkey on my back ran 93.9+mph in the 1/8.
I have a baby 226 cam with hand ported truck heads and stock intake a TB. I ran with a nitrous tune, barely spun, and had an amazing 2200+DA :eyes: I would say my times are on par, or above a little.
M6 cars trap higher than A4s, I make a whopping 370Rwhp.

If your coming down to see Damian aka Josh you must have made some changes to your set up ,,so of course your going to be running faster than your sig along with alot cooler weather unless your going back to original parts:eyes:.
I made a few changes.... Exhaust, suspension, etc.. Nothing big. I will be shooting for 7.0s@97 1.4X short time if I can get better than 2000+DA.

And since you brought up monkey's ,,any monkey can drive a auto no skill is needed.
No skill? Surely not as much as a manual, not even remotely close... But not just anybody can hop in my car and run the same times some of us can.
It is consistent, I like the track.... Auto.

Lastly Send me a PM and let me know when your coming to Commerce and i'll bring my piece of shiit car and my pet monkey to help get me down the track:D
Will do man, I'm always down to meet fellow fbody owners. I'm sure I'll be at the shop a few hours doing tuning so there will be plenty of time to BS!

Nice wheels by the way sometimes I think about selling my C5 magnesiums to buy some mesh wheels.
Thanks.. I actually sold them not long ago. A. they were heavy B. the quality could have been better.. Although for 600$ for the set, A+ quality shouldn't be expected.
I love the way they look however!!

Auto is much better for drag racing no question!! And wow 1. 4 60ft? That is incredible God damn!!!!

So once I put my 12bolt,,suspension,,,and slicks under my car it will easly be a mid 11 second M6 car no doubt about it.i really feel that my ta with headers and those mods would go 11s. that is if the stock 100k mile clutch would hold. hell it'd prob help if it slipped a little bit off the line, to be honest.

m6 cars are harder to launch and drive, but with a *PROPER setup they will come very close to matching a stalled a4s ET typically with a couple more mph. this is only arguable in near stock trim as in both cars on a stock 10 bolt and if the auto has a respectable verter.

Auto is much better for drag racing no question!! And wow 1. 4 60ft? That is incredible God damn!!!!

Have not hit it yet..:mad:

Quickest so far is 1.50.. Consistent 1.50-1.52.
However, I was spinning just a tad that night and had a nitrous tune on the car.

With the suspension fixed, little more power, motor tune, and same or better air which will be easy since it was hot that night..1.4 is inevitable, I would love some 1.46-.47s!!

Updated time Slip. Just launched it hard a few runs did a 12.07. I think i'll hit that mark of 11.99 and not because of DA this was the best 60 ive had with this set up By far!! oh and i weighed it at 3610
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e151/Gsxr1000Z71/IMAG0021.jpg

nice 60'. i don't see that 10 bolt hanging on much longer with numbers like that haha.

what kind of tires are you using? psi?

nice 60'. i don't see that 10 bolt hanging on much longer with numbers like that haha.

what kind of tires are you using? psi?

Hahaha i was surprised it made it 3 hard launches. I had them at 15psi pre burnout M/T etc street radials
Video of crash right behind me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWjQOtmH_cU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
12. 07 run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2HycDTMZW0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

try running a little more air pressure. my car will hook great on the MT radials set at 16psi cold (mid 1.7 60s) but slows it down big time up top. when i set them at 18psi cold it runs like a raped ape, 60' suffers but ETs and Mphs are much better. 1.878 60' 12.546 @ 109.31 18psi cold vs 1.76 60' 12.700 @ 108.5 16psi cold.

try running a little more air pressure. my car will hook great on the MT radials set at 16psi cold (mid 1.7 60s) but slows it down big time up top. when i set them at 18psi cold it runs like a raped ape, 60' suffers but ETs and Mphs are much better. 1.878 60' 12.546 @ 109.31 18psi cold vs 1.76 60' 12.700 @ 108.5 16psi cold.

I will try that. so far the best in every spot was that 1.68 60ft and best 8th best trap and quarter. i ran around 15 before burnout i'll go a few more times this year its just been awful weather lately. I'm shocked the rear end has lasted this long haha the next few times at the track i'll be really hammering it since its going away for the winter soon.

try 16psi cold.

Finally got my 11 second pass God damn that was a pain. Got it dynoed two weeks ago and actually lost HP with the 410's went from 397rwhp with the stock 342's on a mustang dyno to 389 on the same dyno after the new gears

Changed my plugs wires removed some weight (not much)

But anyways still on the 10 bolt
11.82 @117 MPH
1.81 60ft
94mph 1/8th 7.68

Great Job Finally !!!Your right about Auto's my last 02 SS A4 w/ just long tubes ,no cats,pulley,Stall,P&P TB and sum suspension barley any weight reduction went 11.80@114 and everything else was stock.

Great Job Finally !!!Your right about Auto's my last 02 SS A4 w/ just long tubes ,no cats,pulley,Stall,P&P TB and sum suspension barley any weight reduction went 11.80@114 and everything else was stock.

Of course and stock rear end. Haha that's the fun of it right?

Nice going, good feeling huh? I remember last year when I was trying to get an 11.

Nice going, good feeling huh? I remember last year when I was trying to get an 11.

ya it is finally haha i wanted to do it with that horrible 10 bolt and the junk 853 heads. so it feels good to put down some decent times. 6 speed took a beating though. Im going up this weekend for the last time i'm going to tune it to run with 100 and see if i can get a 11.6

Finally got my 11 second pass God damn that was a pain. Got it dynoed two weeks ago and actually lost HP with the 410's went from 397rwhp with the stock 342's on a mustang dyno to 389 on the same dyno after the new gears

Changed my plugs wires removed some weight (not much)

But anyways still on the 10 bolt
11.82 @117 MPH
1.81 60ft
94mph 1/8th 7.68

So you ended up going sunday? Thats awesome, finally in the 11's. Now just gotta get that 60' back down.

So you ended up going sunday? Thats awesome, finally in the 11's. Now just gotta get that 60' back down.

ya haha they told me that it was a waste of my time but i went anyways w a few people. And got a free pass to go this weekend. Sue was cool hooked me up since i didnt run. I'll go up this saturday and see what can get better.......too bad theres a chance of snow hahaha

ya haha they told me that it was a waste of my time but i went anyways w a few people. And got a free pass to go this weekend. Sue was cool hooked me up since i didnt run. I'll go up this saturday and see what can get better.......too bad theres a chance of snow hahaha

Do you have studded drag radials? :D

Do you have studded drag radials? :D

Hahahaha not a bad idea.I'm gonna go anyways since its the last day hopefully it doesnt gget ssnowed out