Automotive News, Media & Press - Official ZL1 Power Figure and Other Details Released

Numerous media outlets were given this info in advance and released it last night.

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SAE certified power at 580hp @ 6,000 RPM and torque is 556ft-lbs @ 4,200 RPM

Power to weight is 7.24 pounds per horsepower

It will run the next-generation magnetic suspension that GM has been using for years, a generation ahead of the CTS-V and ZR1

The car will be track-ready right from the dealership, with all necessary transmission, diff and brake-cooling systems installed at the plant

The Camaro ZL1 will be fitted with huge Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires, P285/35ZR20 front, P305/35ZR20

580?!

Sounds about right... A bit more than nearly any other GM offering, but still less than the outstanding ZR1. The remainging questions are still too numerous to list, including many about what "brand X" will do in response. It hardly matters yet, what those answers are. This ZL1 will be a BRUTE! People will have to take a race car driving course to learn how to properly handle that monster.

Thats some serious heat under that hood, want one.

GM had two at the Dream Cruise last month, the subtle changes help the car make quite an impression in person.

Drool.... Pulley change away from over 600 hp:)

4200lbs FTL!!!!!
WHere are all of the "much lighter than the CTS-V once it is De-Cadillaced" people lol
A whopping 30lbs lighter!!!!!
I will be nice running a 5th gen that stands a chance for a change...

Even just 556hp would've been good...but 580hp is much better. :cool:
That's a high 11 second/over 120+mph car bone stock in decent air at a prepped track. :drive:

Even just 556hp would've been good...but 580hp is much better. :cool:
That's a high 11 second/over 120+mph car bone stock in decent air at a prepped track. :drive:

Considering where we're seeing the CTS-V, that may be doable... It really will come down to traction and the ability for whatever driver to launch the car. "Enough power?" really won't be a question. It certainly will be enough. :D

"Chevrolet has announced that its upcoming 2012 Camaro ZL1 will come packing 580 hp under the hood when it goes on sale early next year, which would make it the most powerful muscle car in America and a good deal more potent than the current top of the line Camaro SS with its 426 hp V8."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/09/09/2012-chevy-camaro-zl1-packing-580-hp/#ixzz1XUUIOHXR

Let's see how long it takes for all the gt500 guys to come in and start the bashing lol

I'm interested in how much weight was saved with "light weight" components on the ZL1 that are not offered on the SS. Were the wheels and hood the only pieces where weight was shaved? It would be interesting to transfer these parts to an SS and see how much weight comes off it. Throw the magnetic ride suspension at it with the Recaro seat option and maybe that's the Z/28 we've all be waiting for?

Considering where we're seeing the CTS-V, that may be doable... It really will come down to traction and the ability for whatever driver to launch the car. "Enough power?" really won't be a question. It certainly will be enough. :DI agree. :burn:

I think some of you guys in this thread are forgetting these numbers are at the crank, not the tires. Still a great number but it is STILL A FUCKING PIG. I am not seeing 120mph+ in the 1/4 bone stock driven out of the dealership and to the track. Nevertheless still a badass car and looks wayyy better on the front end.

It seems like a great car, and 580HP is very cool, but I'm disappointed in the weight. I was really hoping for under 4000lbs...

I think some of you guys in this thread are forgetting these numbers are at the crank, not the tires. Still a great number but it is STILL A FUCKING PIG. I am not seeing 120mph+ in the 1/4 bone stock driven out of the dealership and to the track. Nevertheless still a badass car and looks wayyy better on the front end.

I believe the CTS-V coupes are trapping in the 118 range. So with and extra ~25 hp and a little lighter I would say 120 traps will be pretty common. We'll see though!

I'm interested in how much weight was saved with "light weight" components on the ZL1 that are not offered on the SS.

A huge part of the weight in these cars is the 20" wheels/tires covering those big brakes. I believe all Camaros already have aluminum hoods and other parts to offset that somewhat.

I'm a little baffled why anyone would have expected this car to be lighter than an SS, they're adding a big blower, intercooler, plumbing and even bigger wheels/tires... none of which is light.

Car magazines have gotten the CTS-V to trap 119.
I don't see why 120 in the barely lighter and more powerful ZL1 won't be faster.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/09q2/2009_cadillac_cts-v_automatic-short_take_road_test
12.2@ 119 with less power, an IRS, and more weight.

Even the 4400lb CTS-V wagon has trapped 119.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/11q1/2011_cadillac_cts-v_wagon-long-term_road_test_update

I think some of you guys in this thread are forgetting these numbers are at the crank, not the tires. Still a great number but it is STILL A FUCKING PIG. I am not seeing 120mph+ in the 1/4 bone stock driven out of the dealership and to the track. Nevertheless still a badass car and looks wayyy better on the front end.I think we'll be seeing over 500rwhp from these cars... a tad underrated is what I expect.

Maybe 120+ won't be common, but for those who learn to launch it and have good conditions(ie weather and track prep), this ZL1 might will be tickin' 120 as a normal mph. It's certainly got enough power. I could see 122...

It's heavy and I was one of the few who said it will gain weight with the power adder... Don't care though, due to the MASSIVE increase in hp. I mean, I care, but since it was expected, I'm not so bothered. The car should be lighter in any trim level and it just isn't.

Yeah.. time will tell I guess.. not hating on it I just hope it performs as well as the numbers they are claiming.. It's definitely a few basic bolts ons away from 550-600rwhp though which is crazy. I will be especially excited when I find one on the street and rape it :)

I'm a little baffled why anyone would have expected this car to be lighter than an SS, they're adding a big blower, intercooler, plumbing and even bigger wheels/tires... none of which is light.

Didn't GM say it was going to be lighter, or was that just a rumor? Either way I agree, IDK how anyone thought it could have been lighter.

I'm glad they at least got the tire size right! I don't understand how Ford keeps selling the GT500 with such skinny tires on it for a 550hp car, but I don't see the Camaro taking it down with all the extra weight.

itll probably be the fastest production camaro ever which is great. good thing about FI is its a good way to overcome weight.


i like that suspension and tires made specifically for this car. im anxious to see one in action. the shop i use has one on order.

A huge part of the weight in these cars is the 20" wheels/tires covering those big brakes. I believe all Camaros already have aluminum hoods and other parts to offset that somewhat.

I'm a little baffled why anyone would have expected this car to be lighter than an SS, they're adding a big blower, intercooler, plumbing and even bigger wheels/tires... none of which is light.

I never thought it was going to be lighter. I expected it to weigh 4000+lbs. I'm just thinking out loud because I had heard that the ZL1 would be utilizing more light weight parts than the SS to help keep the weight increase to a minimum.

4,200lbs is too heavy for a performance coupe. My four door Nissan Frontier weighed that much.

Wasn't the suspension/handling designed and tuned by the same engineers as the zr1? I'm sure this thing will be able to manage its weight in the corners if so.

The ZR1 weighs a thousand pounds less almost

I'm a little disappointed at how much it weighs, but I think it's going to make the most of what it's got given the technology that it has into it. I think it should perform pretty decent for how big of a car it is.

I'm sure it will, but given the choice between two cars that are similar in raw performance numbers, I will always choose the lighter of the two.

Yes but the CTSv weighs more, and even though its a big car seems to hold the track pretty well.

It weighs like thirty pounds more. I will always take the lighter car because of how it FEELS, which is at least as important as the raw numbers to me.

It is simplly not going to weigh 4200 lbs. 7.24 is probably off of the rwhp wich would have it at about 3800 lbs. They cut 22 lbs off each wheel/tire on the car and the chief engineer said himself one of the bigest things they are working on now is getting rid of weight.

You are on crack if you think that car is going to weigh 3800lbs. The weight savings was to make sure it didn't end up weighing as much as a Tahoe.

it really is too heavy. thats one thing i cant defend here.


challengers are hogs and so are camaros.


they make gt500s look like lightweights.

It is simplly not going to weigh 4200 lbs. 7.24 is probably off of the rwhp wich would have it at about 3800 lbs.

So you think it's putting down 525rwhp? I sure don't.

So is this 580 hp for the manual and automatic transmission or just one or the other?

So is this 580 hp for the manual and automatic transmission or just one or the other?

Transmission choice does not affect crank horsepower. Both will be rated at 580. The manual will make more rwhp. The factories do not rate vehicles at rwhp.

The A6 ZL1's are going to be very stout I bet, going to be a killer setup for the straight line guys. It really is too bad Ford doesn't offer the GT500 in an Auto.

one of the best decisions made here was to offer an auto.

one of the best decisions made here was to offer an auto.

agreed.

it really is too heavy. thats one thing i cant defend here.


challengers are hogs and so are camaros.


they make gt500s look like lightweights.The new, lighter version of the GT500 still tips the scales around 3750... That's not light, even though the others still weigh more.

The GT500 should be offered with an automatic. I'm thinking Ford will bring that around by 2015 or maybe even before their next makeover.

4200lbs seems a bit too high for the changes they made. Other sources are saying there are no official weight figures just yet.

Car and driver: http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/11q3/2012_chevrolet_camaro_zl1_cranks_the_dyno_needle_t o_580_hp-car_news

"Development is not yet complete, so there are no weight, acceleration, top-speed, or gas-mileage figures to share."

If it IS 4200lbs, then GM made another mistake with the Camaro in my book. JMO.

A car should only weigh over 3700lbs if it has some serious equipment and luxury and has 4 doors in my opinion.

I don't know if they will ever offer the GT500 as an automatic... they are really focusing on making it a track machine (the kind with turns), and an automatic not only lets even more "posers" on the bandwagon, but the image would be tarnished as well. Do you think the C6Z should be offered with an automatic?

The auto will be great for someone who wants to put a stall and tires on it and run 10's....

The weight...:disgust:

I don't know if they will ever offer the GT500 as an automatic... they are really focusing on making it a track machine (the kind with turns), and an automatic not only lets even more "posers" on the bandwagon, but the image would be tarnished as well. Do you think the C6Z should be offered with an automatic?

Autos and semi-autos (clutch-less manuals) are dominating tracks these days.

Even GM's torque converter automatic, the 6L90 has proven to be quicker than an M6.
The CTS-V is perfect proof of this.

I prefer a manual, but there is no denying that the auto (in some form or another) is taking over the performance world.

4200lbs seems a bit too high for the changes they made. Other sources are saying there are no official weight figures just yet.

Car and driver: http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/11q3/2012_chevrolet_camaro_zl1_cranks_the_dyno_needle_t o_580_hp-car_news

"Development is not yet complete, so there are no weight, acceleration, top-speed, or gas-mileage figures to share."

If it IS 4200lbs, then GM made another mistake with the Camaro in my book. JMO.

A car should only weigh over 3700lbs if it has some serious equipment and luxury and has 4 doors in my opinion.

GM quoted the power to weight ration, not the news agencies. They know how much the car weighs. Instead of throwing "4200lbs out there" they tired to put the weight figure in perspective with some other high performance cars out there.

To everyone bitching about weight, lay off the cheeseburgers or buy a miata. I know if I see one going down the road I'll be jealous.

i like that suspension and tires made specifically for this car. im anxious to see one in action. the shop i use has one on order.

Those tires are already available on the GT500.

I don't know if they will ever offer the GT500 as an automatic... they are really focusing on making it a track machine (the kind with turns), and an automatic not only lets even more "posers" on the bandwagon, but the image would be tarnished as well. Do you think the C6Z should be offered with an automatic?

A performance car is a performance car regardless of the transmission, IMO. But, I do agree that making an Auto available for a car like a C6 Z would probably take a little away from it's overall purpose.

Also, there are a LOT of people who are just complete posers that will choose a Manual over an Automatic no matter what the situation is. Most of the time, those are the same idiots who know nothing and are always bashing the Auto guys.

would love to see one on the road course

God whats wrong with some of you people...

Everyone is essentially saying:
"Fastest Camaro Ever? Not impressed..."

seriously...wtf lol
It could be lighter, sure...but then again, it's still going to be the fastest Camaro ever built...who cares what it weighs? A couple thousand dollars will yield over 600hp...not good enough for you? Get a new hobby IMO...

How is the fastest production Camaro ever made a disappointment? Because it could be faster? I'm pretty sure every Camaro ever made could have been faster/lighter...no exceptions.

IMO If you want cars that are absolutely tapped out on potential with every last hp rung out of it, every last nut, bolt, screw, and body panel made leightweight then you'd be complaining about the price. Camaros are mainly supposed to go fast in a straight line, and handling is second. This thing is going to trap 11's, at probably over 120mph...a few bolt ons and you'll need a roll cage to run it at an NHRA track, and yet, the car will have GM's most advance handling system as well...what isnt to love?

People that like DRIVING cars like cars that don't feel and drive like tanks. I don't care how fast this car is in a straight line, it simply weighs too much for me. My old Mustang was heavier than I would like, and it was WAY lighter than this.

Those tires are already available on the GT500.

says here zl1 specific tires.



http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110908/CARNEWS/110909865#ixzz1XR9UEDbw

Found this 24hr torture test:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYDtt-uXc58&feature=player_embedded

"The most advanced, highest performance Camaro ever.

To confirm the track readiness of the most powerful production Camaro ever, the 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1, performance engineers recently conducted a 24-hour extreme track test on the grueling Milford Road Course located on GM's Proving Grounds in Milford, Michigan.

The 2012 Camaro ZL1 offers Performance Traction Management (PTM) as standard equipment, which is exclusive to General Motors. It was initially introduced on the Corvette ZR1.

Novice drivers will find the ZL1 very enjoyable to drive, while expert drivers will find PTM supplements their driving skill without interfering with their intentions."

The A6 ZL1's are going to be very stout I bet, going to be a killer setup for the straight line guys. It really is too bad Ford doesn't offer the GT500 in an Auto.

one of the best decisions made here was to offer an auto.

agreed.

You guys all need to lay off the crack pipe! Sports cars need manual transmissions! Although I guess you can't really consider this a sports car at 4200lbs, the more correct term would be high-performance land yacht.

God whats wrong with some of you people...

Everyone is essentially saying:
"Fastest Camaro Ever? Not impressed..."

seriously...wtf lol
It could be lighter, sure...but then again, it's still going to be the fastest Camaro ever built...who cares what it weighs? A couple thousand dollars will yield over 600hp...not good enough for you? Get a new hobby IMO...

How is the fastest production Camaro ever made a disappointment? Because it could be faster? I'm pretty sure every Camaro ever made could have been faster/lighter...no exceptions.

IMO If you want cars that are absolutely tapped out on potential with every last hp rung out of it, every last nut, bolt, screw, and body panel made leightweight then you'd be complaining about the price. Camaros are mainly supposed to go fast in a straight line, and handling is second. This thing is going to trap 11's, at probably over 120mph...a few bolt ons and you'll need a roll cage to run it at an NHRA track, and yet, the car will have GM's most advance handling system as well...what isnt to love?


Tech should have a "like" button like they do on Facebook.
Great post!

I bet it weighs about as much as your truck :lol:

:turd: my truck weights a bit more!! :(

A performance car is a performance car regardless of the transmission, IMO.

Also, there are a LOT of people who are just complete posers that will choose a Manual over an Automatic no matter what the situation is. Most of the time, those are the same idiots who know nothing and are always bashing the Auto guys.:werd: :nod:





God whats wrong with some of you people...

Everyone is essentially saying:
"Fastest Camaro Ever? Not impressed..."

seriously...wtf lol
It could be lighter, sure...but then again, it's still going to be the fastest Camaro ever built...who cares what it weighs? A couple thousand dollars will yield over 600hp...not good enough for you? Get a new hobby IMO...

How is the fastest production Camaro ever made a disappointment? Because it could be faster? I'm pretty sure every Camaro ever made could have been faster/lighter...no exceptions.

IMO If you want cars that are absolutely tapped out on potential with every last hp rung out of it, every last nut, bolt, screw, and body panel made leightweight then you'd be complaining about the price. Camaros are mainly supposed to go fast in a straight line, and handling is second. This thing is going to trap 11's, at probably over 120mph...a few bolt ons and you'll need a roll cage to run it at an NHRA track, and yet, the car will have GM's most advance handling system as well...what isnt to love?........ ^ THIS ^





Tech should have a "like" button like they do on Facebook.
Great post!:nod:

With everybody talking about automatics and stalls and launch control, I don't want to see anything else talking shit about the GT-R "driving itself." That would be the definition of hypocrisy.

porsche offers autos they must suck too.

I talk about the people that buy those too. But you can't get an automatic on the high end performance cars.

Whats the estimated price tag?

is that PDK considered an auto?

http://www.porsche.com/microsite/technology/default.aspx?pool=uk&ShowSingleTechterm=PTPDopKuGe&Category=&Model=&SearchedString=&SelectedVariant=PMTBoxsterAll

or is it this?


http://www.porsche.com/microsite/technology/default.aspx?pool=uk&ShowSingleTechterm=PTTipS&Category=&Model=&SearchedString=&SelectedVariant=

With everybody talking about automatics and stalls and launch control, I don't want to see anything else talking shit about the GT-R "driving itself." That would be the definition of hypocrisy.My automatics don't use launch control or super high tech slip angle electronic differential GPS algorithms :lol: ;) like the Nissan does, if I nail it the rear tires simply go up in smoke. :burn:
While certainly not requiring as much skill as a traditional manual/clutch, I do still have to drive my cars to extract the most out of them.

is that PDK considered an auto?

http://www.porsche.com/microsite/technology/default.aspx?pool=uk&ShowSingleTechterm=PTPDopKuGe&Category=&Model=&SearchedString=&SelectedVariant=PMTBoxsterAll

or is it this?


http://www.porsche.com/microsite/technology/default.aspx?pool=uk&ShowSingleTechterm=PTTipS&Category=&Model=&SearchedString=&SelectedVariant=
The PDK, no. The Tiptronic, sure. But if you paid attention to what I said, you would know what cars I was talking about. Which don't offer the Tiptronic. Here, read it again.
I talk about the people that buy those too. But you can't get an automatic on the high end performance cars.

My automatics don't use launch control or super high tech slip angle electronic differential GPS algorithms :lol: ;) like the Nissan does, if I nail it the rear tires simply go up in smoke. :burn:
While certainly not requiring as much skill as a traditional manual/clutch, I do still have to drive my cars to extract the most out of them.

Definitely wasn't talking about your car.
But your car does have traction control and stability control you could use if you wanted to. So while not the same, it is similar.

I bet it weighs about as much as your truck :lol:

It does weigh about a few hundred pounds more than my 4x4 truck does :D

Well at least you and I are on the same page about the cars.

But your car does have traction control and stability control you could use if you wanted to.True, if I wanted to go slower that is. :D
And my Z28 has neither of those intrusions. :)

I don't know if they will ever offer the GT500 as an automatic... they are really focusing on making it a track machine (the kind with turns), and an automatic not only lets even more "posers" on the bandwagon, but the image would be tarnished as well. Do you think the C6Z should be offered with an automatic?I think they will offer the GT500 with an auto, simply because the ZL1 will offer it and they wanna keep up in a straight line.

The C6ZR1 is so utterly different than the GT500, I can't beg a way to compare the two. It's a true sports car and it would still be really cool to see it with an auto, but it's so far from that kind of vehicle, it would shock me if GM went there.

GM is evidently doing things right with the ZL1 and that's going to help their business. The only concern I have is that GM may also be taking a real hit on sales in terms of earning a profit. Seems the ZL1 will be kinda like the ZR1 in that sense... All good except the earnings per car. ;)

The PDK, no. The Tiptronic, sure. But if you paid attention to what I said, you would know what cars I was talking about. Which don't offer the Tiptronic. Here, read it again.




Definitely wasn't talking about your car.
But your car does have traction control and stability control you could use if you wanted to. So while not the same, it is similar.

what high end cars are you talking about?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron

I think they will offer the GT500 with an auto, simply because the ZL1 will offer it and they wanna keep up in a straight line.

The C6ZR1 is so utterly different than the GT500, I can't beg a way to compare the two. It's a true sports car and it would still be really cool to see it with an auto, but it's so far from that kind of vehicle, it would shock me if GM went there.

GM is evidently doing things right with the ZL1 and that's going to help their business. The only concern I have is that GM may also be taking a real hit on sales in terms of earning a profit. Seems the ZL1 will be kinda like the ZR1 in that sense... All good except the earnings per car. ;)

im sure camaro sales as a whole are profitable and this car isnt going to affect that.

what high end cars are you talking about?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron

You and that retarded smile face you put before your posts really aren't this thick-headed in real life, are you? I was talking specifically about Porsche, since you asked about them. THEIR high end performance versions were manual-only until the PDK came out. So while you can buy an automatic Porsche, the track-oriented models were never offered as actual automatics. That transmission was used in the more pedestrian models. Do you understand what I am talking about now?

You and that retarded smile face you put before your posts really aren't this thick-headed in real life, are you? I was talking specifically about Porsche, since you asked about them. THEIR high end performance versions were manual-only until the PDK came out. So while you can buy an automatic Porsche, the track-oriented models were never offered as actual automatics. That transmission was used in the more pedestrian models. Do you understand what I am talking about now?

If you consider the Turbo and Turbo S to be high end performance versions, then you're technically wrong. Both were offered with triptronic.

The only Porsches that never got an auto were the GT's and GT RS'.
If that's what you meant, then nevermind.

That's exactly what I meant ;)

And there are lots of car companies where they either have models or trim levels that are manual only. Chevrolet does it with the Corvette Z06 and ZR1. Dodge did it with the Viper. You could buy an MAX automatic, but only with the lower-performance engine. You could buy an Integra automatic, but not a GS-R or Type R. S2000 was only available as a manual as well. So there is definitely a precedent for what I am talking about.

True, if I wanted to go slower that is. :D
And my Z28 has neither of those intrusions. :)

I personally don't trust my abilities with stabilitrak off.

And there are lots of car companies where they either have models or trim levels that are manual only. Chevrolet does it with the Corvette Z06 and ZR1. Dodge did it with the Viper. You could buy an MAX automatic, but only with the lower-performance engine. You could buy an Integra automatic, but not a GS-R or Type R. S2000 was only available as a manual as well. So there is definitely a precedent for what I am talking about.Very true, but often that was done more out of design necessity (higher RPM/redline levels, torque capacity/ratings, weight/space/fitment limitations, road racing orientation etc.) than for the 'manuals are just more cool' spiritual aspects/reasons.
But it is what it is, those cars were manual only regardless of the reason. :nod:

I dont know why people are complaining about the auto option either, it's great for drag racing. Also (in theory) it should keep prices down somewhat too because they will sell way more automatics than manuals I bet, and a larger number of ZL1's overall with both tranny options.

Also,
Chances are this will be probably the best handling camaro of all time as well, for those concerned about the weight.

Very true, but often that was done more out of design necessity (higher RPM/redline levels, torque capacity/ratings, weight/space/fitment limitations, road racing orientation etc.) than for the 'manuals are just more cool' spiritual aspects/reasons.
But it is what it is, those cars were manual only regardless of the reason. :nod:
Agreed.

I dont know why people are complaining about the auto option either, it's great for drag racing. Also (in theory) it should keep prices down somewhat too because they will sell way more automatics than manuals I bet, and a larger number of ZL1's overall with both tranny options.

Also,
Chances are this will be probably the best handling camaro of all time as well, for those concerned about the weight.

You keep going back to numbers... Would you drive a school bus if it had a good slalom speed and skid pad numbers?

says here zl1 specific tires.



http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110908/CARNEWS/110909865#ixzz1XR9UEDbw

They may be a Camaro specific size, but they are also standard on the 2012 Ford Mustang GT 500 High Performance Model.

http://www.goodyear.com/en-US/tires/eagle-f1-supercar-g2

Apparently Autoweek is not correct.

This car will be exciting and will certainly turn heads on the track and on the road!

You and that retarded smile face you put before your posts really aren't this thick-headed in real life, are you? I was talking specifically about Porsche, since you asked about them. THEIR high end performance versions were manual-only until the PDK came out. So while you can buy an automatic Porsche, the track-oriented models were never offered as actual automatics. That transmission was used in the more pedestrian models. Do you understand what I am talking about now?

douchebag. say what you mean to say without your hoseshit.


shove your superiority attitude up your fucking ass. :D

i didnt ask for a breakdown. i asked if you can get a porsche with an auto and i also added other high end vehicles that come with autos disputing the fact that sports cars specifically super cars only come with manuals.

LOL at talking down to me.

unlike you i have other things going on and also unlike you i dont live for this shit. carry on. :chug:

They may be a Camaro specific size, but they are also standard on the 2012 Ford Mustang GT 500 High Performance Model.

http://www.goodyear.com/en-US/tires/eagle-f1-supercar-g2

Apparently Autoweek is not correct.

if they are identical tires than auto week is not correct.

:lol: Wow that burn really hurt

:lol: Wow that burn really hurt

i am the man. :secret2:

im sure camaro sales as a whole are profitable and this car isnt going to affect that.If they take any loss, how on earth does that not affect profits? DERRRRRR....


Thought... It does a brain some good. :emb:

You keep going back to numbers... Would you drive a school bus if it had a good slalom speed and skid pad numbers?

If there was a school bus that put down the same numbers as a ZL1, I'd rock the shit out of it.

You keep going back to numbers...When talking about performance cars and/or racing, it's ALWAYS about the numbers.

In a competition, the one who wins the race IS the winner, period.

If you are worried about competing, sure. Some people buy cars that they like driving.

If they take any loss, how on earth does that not affect profits? DERRRRRR....


Thought... It does a brain some good. :emb:

another dick.


camaros have been successful enough. thats why this car is being produced. im sure its built on the same assembly line and im sure that,past sales along with using some existing 5th gen parts will offset some cost along with pricing it correctly.


simply put, 5th gens as a whole are successful and zl1s arent going to hurt that.


GM has been pissing money anyway so who cares.

another dick.Yo forgot to say PLEASE, sister! Regardless, you can' have mine no matter how small you feel yours is...

camaros have been successful enough. thats why this car is being produced. im sure its built on the same assembly line and im sure that,past sales along with using some existing 5th gen parts will offset some cost along with pricing it correctly.You're sure of too many things which aren't important. Camaros may have been successful enough in your limited scope, but GM doesn't offer vehicles intending them to merely sell. They have a name and a reputation to concern themselves with as well.

Of course it will get many of the same parts, like the entire body structure. It will have additional things too, which is why the cost will be higher than the SS. There's no "correct pricing" for a car like this. It is intended to be a limited production model, better than the others and at a higher price. 50K for any pony car is as close to "correct" as they can get. That's still pricey, but it will sell. That doesn't mean GM won't take any hit on production costs.

simply put, 5th gens as a whole are successful and zl1s arent going to hurt that.Nobody is claiming the ZL1 will hurt the success of the Camaro. It should enhance success, but at a cost. The only question was, will it cause GM a lower profit margin.

GM has been pissing money anyway so who cares.I care. This is THE main reason I will no longer purchase a new GM vehicle. Without question, I'm not the only one who feels this way. I wanted to buy a new ZO6 just this year, but my concern for the way GM has been run for the past few decades caused me to step away. On a brighter note: I decided not to buy any vehicle for now. I'm hoping GM will change its ways so I can go forward with my purchase. Until I think that's happening, it's on hold.

Contrary to your obvious opinion, yours is NOT the one that matters most. Your thoughts about GM will never sway the purchase of most people.

You two bitch worse than a sorority house full of bitches on the rag

You two bitch worse than a frat house full of bitches on the rag

Sorority you mean? Fraternity is guys only...

Sorority you mean? Fraternity is guys only...


Lol yes youd be correct. Sorry it was a high thought damn you auto correct!

High shot blocked by a high save! :lol:

Sorority you mean? Fraternity is guys only...

Yet they still manage to be on the rag

Nuh uh :(

Also,
Chances are this will be probably the best handling camaro of all time as well, for those concerned about the weight.
Thats not saying a whole lot considering the extreme limitations GM has put on the previous Camaros. The 5th gen could be a much better performer if it dropped some weight.
With a watts link and the ZL1's tires I would bet that a 4th gen 1LE camaro (koni equipped) would out handle a 5th gen ZL1, it would almost be 1000lbs lighter...
Also some food for thought, 5th gens compete in the same Auto-x class as 4th gens (fstock) and are not even remotely competitive with them, the weight and the over sized wheels kill the car.

You two bitch worse than a sorority house full of bitches on the ragWouldn't know... Never had the wonderful chance to live with that many college age gals at once! :D

Thats not saying a whole lot considering the extreme limitations GM has put on the previous Camaros. The 5th gen could be a much better performer if it dropped some weight.
With a watts link and the ZL1's tires I would bet that a 4th gen 1LE camaro (koni equipped) would out handle a 5th gen ZL1, it would almost be 1000lbs lighter...
Also some food for thought, 5th gens compete in the same Auto-x class as 4th gens (fstock) and are not even remotely competitive with them, the weight and the over sized wheels kill the car.

The sales are what matters and GM offers the car that sells best with consumers. Something they didn't do with the 4th gen as much as everyone worships them here.

Those who really want to track a 5th gen can strip all the heavy items off of it like the SSX track show car GM Racing produced.

Those who really want to track a 5th gen can strip all the heavy items off of it like the SSX track show car GM Racing produced.Not to mention the handling improvements available... if you've got the coin. :nod:

Yo forgot to say PLEASE, sister! Regardless, you can' have mine no matter how small you feel yours is...

You're sure of too many things which aren't important. Camaros may have been successful enough in your limited scope, but GM doesn't offer vehicles intending them to merely sell. They have a name and a reputation to concern themselves with as well.

Of course it will get many of the same parts, like the entire body structure. It will have additional things too, which is why the cost will be higher than the SS. There's no "correct pricing" for a car like this. It is intended to be a limited production model, better than the others and at a higher price. 50K for any pony car is as close to "correct" as they can get. That's still pricey, but it will sell. That doesn't mean GM won't take any hit on production costs.

Nobody is claiming the ZL1 will hurt the success of the Camaro. It should enhance success, but at a cost. The only question was, will it cause GM a lower profit margin.

I care. This is THE main reason I will no longer purchase a new GM vehicle. Without question, I'm not the only one who feels this way. I wanted to buy a new ZO6 just this year, but my concern for the way GM has been run for the past few decades caused me to step away. On a brighter note: I decided not to buy any vehicle for now. I'm hoping GM will change its ways so I can go forward with my purchase. Until I think that's happening, it's on hold.

Contrary to your obvious opinion, yours is NOT the one that matters most. Your thoughts about GM will never sway the purchase of most people.


your first sentence shows what a retard you are so the rest of your BS means nothing.


as i said. 5th gens are selling well and this zl1 is only going to help not hurt its image and negatively affect sales. even if it is a low profit margin car its lineup overall is successful and will continue that way. bet on it. :D


this is one of the few cars GM got right. if youre waiting for the big three(namely GM) to turn things around to where they should be youll be long gone.

ive bought GM because i like them for a specific reason. i no longer think their vehicles are the best in the industry. i figured that out a long time ago.

Wouldn't know... Never had the wonderful chance to live with that many college age GUYS at once! :D




:gay:

ive bought GM because i like them for a specific reason.

And what is that reason?

And what is that reason?

im a big fan of LS motors. ive always liked SBCs.

this is one of the few cars GM got right.I believe that they've gotten quite few vehicles right actually. :nod:
But yes, the new Camaro overall might even qualify as exceptionally well executed. :thumb:




i no longer think their vehicles are the best in the industry.Currently, I think that a few of their vehicles might actually be among the best in the industry, some probably even exceeding the best (within their specific class).

Remember, no car is perfect.

I believe that they've gotten quite few vehicles right actually. :nod:
But yes, the new Camaro overall might even qualify as exceptionally well executed. :thumb:




Currently, I think that a few of their vehicles might actually be among the best in the industry, some probably even exceeding the best (within their specific class).

Remember, no car is perfect.

well yes, cadillac makes a great vehicle. chevy trucks have a proven rep. i think my GTO was very well built. g8s too.

thing is while GM makes some good cars they make some subpar cars also.



http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2011/02/2011-automakers-report-card-who-makes-the-best-cars.html



as you know ive always been a GM supporter. but im frustrated with the domestic auto industry as a whole and i really cant blindly defend them any longer.


while ill never own a foreign(gto lol its a GM) car ive known many many people that were let down by domestics and i cant blame them for buying a toyota or honda.

its really hard to deny the numerous failures by the american auto industry and their refusal to recognize and correct it.

sadly theyve lost customers theyll never get back and sometimes i consider being one of them. :(

its really hard to deny the numerous failures by the american auto industryAgreed, but if we're going to delve into history then let us also not forget the numerous failures by the Japanese auto industry as well, they produced some SERIOUS crap back in the '50, '60s and even early '70s LOL. Of course they did eventually fix most of it as well.





its really hard to deny the numerous failures by the american auto industry and their refusal to recognize and correct it.And they have (finally) recognized and corrected much of it, in my opinion. But yes, it just might not be quite enough to satisfy the average new car buyer.

I believe that they've gotten quite few vehicles right actually. :nod:
But yes, the new Camaro overall might even qualify as exceptionally well executed. :thumb:




Currently, I think that a few of their vehicles might actually be among the best in the industry, some probably even exceeding the best (within their specific class).

Remember, no car is perfect.

Purely out of curiosity, which few cars would that be?

Purely out of curiosity, which few cars would that be?Corvette
CTS
SRX
Regal (maybe)
LaCrosse
Cruze
Equinox (can't even keep them on the lot)
Escalade/Tahoe/Yukon
2500/3500 diesel pick ups (Ford still might be better)

Upcoming Malibu looks very promising but isn't current of course.

Corvette
CTS
SRX
Regal (maybe)
LaCrosse
Cruze
Equinox (can't even keep them on the lot)
Escalade/Tahoe/Yukon
2500/3500 diesel pick ups (Ford still might be better)

Upcoming Malibu looks very promising but isn't current of course.

The only ones on that list that I could say anything about would be the Regal and the Cruze. From comparisons I have read, it is a solid car, but not much more than average.

I have owned Ford and GM for all my vehicles. I have never been much of a fan of Japanese imports. There is the odd car here and there that I think look nice, but for the most part almost all the Asian (I say Asian to include Korea, etc) manufacturers look like cookie cutter type cars.

It's a vicious circle. People think Japanese cars are more dependable and last longer so they are worth more even used which keeps resale value high which keeps people buying Japanes cars which....

Despite the fact that the US went through decades of "crappy" cars you still see more 70s and 80s US cars on the road than you do Japanese. And honestly, to me they still look better (see the thread on 3rd Gens here on LS1Tech) than any of the new stuff Japan is putting out.

All that being said, back to the topic: this car is awesome. Wish someone would give it to me (but I would probably sell it). Would not buy it (even if I could afford it, unless I had stupid money). Wish it was lighter (and wish it LOOKED lighter). Think I would steer towards a CTS-V or Corvette before this if I was in that spending range.

"Chevrolet has announced that its upcoming 2012 Camaro ZL1 will come packing 580 hp under the hood when it goes on sale early next year, which would make it the most powerful muscle car in America and a good deal more potent than the current top of the line Camaro SS with its 426 hp V8."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/09/09/2012-chevy-camaro-zl1-packing-580-hp/#ixzz1XUUIOHXR

How would that make it the most powerful muscle car in america? Do they not consider the ZR1 as a muscle car?

How would that make it the most powerful muscle car in america? Do they not consider the ZR1 as a muscle car?

The Corvette has never been a muscle car, its a sports car...
Muscle cars have more than 2 seats.

The car that blurred the lines best was the AMX.

whatever the SAE rating is, is exactly how much they make. the twin turbo 5.0 for the next cobra/gt500 will match this. and be even lighter than now.

^Is there a new cobra coming out?

The car that blurred the lines best was the AMX.:nod: True, the first iteration of it (later AMXs were regular Javelin bodies with hi-po upgrades and badging of course) was technically a 'muscle/pony car' but did have only two seats. :burn:

A teacher at my high school had a green one...gorgeous car

^Is there a new cobra coming out?

I'm sure there will be, but nothing official. The twin turbo talk was all just rumors.

The Corvette has never been a muscle car, its a sports car...
Muscle cars have more than 2 seats.

and isnt 2+2

2+2 = pony car

do you think this will be a $50-$60k car??

That's what it is looking like.

GM would be making a HUGE mistake if they price the ZL1 much over $50k.

GM would be making a HUGE mistake if they price the ZL1 much over $50k.Maybe... I'd expect the auto to be over 50 for sure, and the manual to be around 50 even, like $49,995.00 w/o any options. Of course, even "optionless," the ZL1 will be just about loaded. It will become a problem for those who realize how close it is to the Corvette price. The good news is, they'll probably sell more Corvettes. :D

Maybe... I'd expect the auto to be over 50 for sure, and the manual to be around 50 even, like $49,995.00 w/o any options. Of course, even "optionless," the ZL1 will be just about loaded. It will become a problem for those who realize how close it is to the Corvette price. The good news is, they'll probably sell more Corvettes. :DI agree, I could see them pricing the base model manual at just under $50k. I think there was even talk of setting it at $48k or $49k which would make it a very strong value for that car in my opinion. :nod:

If they're willing to price it around 48,5(M6).. There's a good idea. That way it's under 'vette pricing and still offering big power, kinda like back when the Camaro was new and high end models were still "lesser" than the 'vette.

I think high 40s is a great price tag. When I priced out a new 5.0 it was over 40k with alot of the cool options.

That's cool, but it doesn't matter. The car it is directly competing with (the GT500) starts at $48,810 for '12.

I think high 40s is a great price tag. When I priced out a new 5.0 it was over 40k with alot of the cool options.Optioned, the ZL1 can and will be over 50k. That's not the concern at all, rather the starting price needs to remain under Corvette and within the range of most potential buyers... Most will say they want to see it close to GT500 pricing, but the GT or SS won't be a concern to anyone seriously considering the ZL1. Anyone who's close on the ZL1 can surely get an SS instead, but who would wanna???

What kind of options will be available in a track ready boosted Camaro though? Anything thats needed to go faster or things that will make it heavier?

Hmmm... a roll cage... Whatever it is, heavier is the answer.

Forget MSRP. Dealer markup on this vehicle will be ridiculous. I say good luck finding one for under $60k.

^Great point. Werent 5th Gens marked up pretty bad when they first came out?

^Great point. Werent 5th Gens marked up pretty bad when they first came out?

I think so, and they probably still are considering how it has become a flavor of the month kind of vehicle. The best thing everyone can do is not buy them. Let the dealers know their prices are outrageous and that consumers will not tolerate them.

Prices will probably be high initially, but that won't likely last long. Then again, sales will dictate the number built, so many will gladly overpay, hoping to have one of just a few in the end.

I like how people bitched about the 4th gens feeling cheap and being "parts bins" cars and cramped working space, now with the 5th gens they put nice interior in a bigger car with a bigger price tag...what do ya know? People bitch about it. Weird...

I just find it funny how you can get a car that performs at the same level of acceleration as a supercar for $50-60k and people are upset about it. :confused:

Who is upset about the GT500?

Who is upset about the GT500?

if youre referring to mastertomos i think he was talking about 5th gens.

And as usual, right over your head...

And as usual, right over your head...

are you a dick in real life or just online?

I treat people with the amount of respect I feel that they command.

I treat people with the amount of respect I feel that they command.

the answer would be "yes".

If that is the way you feel, so be it.

If that is the way you feel, so be it.

i was trying to be civil and of course you had to start shit.


if thats how you want it, so be it. :D

Who is upset about the GT500?

The people who care about handling and heatsoak. The current 5th gen SS outhandles GT500's let alone the new ZL1 which will be nothing but better in every way suspensionwise... (07-09 anyway, not sure if theyve made any dramatic changes to the 2010+ GT500 suspension/handling?)

The people who care about handling and heatsoak. The current 5th gen SS outhandles GT500's let alone the new ZL1 which will be nothing but better in every way suspensionwise... (07-09 anyway, not sure if theyve made any dramatic changes to the 2010+ GT500 suspension/handling?)

do 5th gens outhandle gt500s?

The '10 GT500 had some pretty important changes, and the '11 had a couple as well.

are you a dick in real life or just online?I was going to ask if you're just as stupid in real life, but I know YOU don't know the correct answer... and I do.... :D

ZR1 hits the ring for more testing! A very unique 2012 Camaro ZL1 will be auctioned off at the Barrett-Jackson auction in Las Vegas this Saturday (Sept. 24). This Camaro will be the only ZL1 produced in Carbon Flash Metallic. It will also feature a VIN honoring the original ZL1s - ending in 00069.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjy7vvH1Isk&feature=player_embedded

In the video, at about 28 seconds, you can see what looks like a 911 of some sort giving chase... heh. Then, at around 44 seconds, you can hear what clearly sounds like an automatic shift. You can hear that again around 53 seconds... Then, around 1:01, you can hear a downshift, much like a manual... Same car? If so, someone almost has to be manually shifting, or the transmission and ECM are VERY good friends! :D

I was going to ask if you're just as stupid in real life, but I know YOU don't know the correct answer... and I do.... :D

and i was wondering how big of an Ahole you are and how many people hate you.

but i have a pretty good idea. loser.

That thing is sexy!

do 5th gens outhandle gt500s?

No, they don't.

The gt500 is much quicker than the 5th gen on EVERY track where the two went head to head.

The current 5th gen SS outhandles GT500's

Umm, what?

do 5th gens outhandle gt500s?

Hell no. The new BOSS hands the 5th gen its ass on a road course and the GT500 has proven to be a couple seconds quicker than the BOSS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr3SwDviPQ0&feature=player_embedded

No, they don't.

The gt500 is much quicker than the 5th gen on EVERY track where the two went head to head.

for what it's worth, on topgear's track the SS put down better numbers than the '07 gt500.

^Ya but I dont even keep up on my Ford news and I know they have changed alot since 07

^Ya but I dont even keep up on my Ford news and I know they have changed alot since 07

I'm certain that 07-09 where identical in suspension in the Gt500's. The 2010+ are still solid rear axel.

I dont know the exact changes to the 2010+ model, but I know it wasn't anything major as far as suspension, they still run solid axel.

Umm, what?

Hell no. The new BOSS hands the 5th gen its ass on a road course and the GT500 has proven to be a couple seconds quicker than the BOSS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr3SwDviPQ0&feature=player_embedded

What info do you have on the comparison between the GT500 and the boss?

The 2010 Camaro SS ran a 1:27.9 and the '07 body style Gt500 ran a 1:30.0 on topgear with an F1 driver behind the wheel on topgears track.

Also for those of you who don't know, the '12 V8 camaros (both ZL1 and SS) have completely revised FE4 suspenion different from to the '10 and '11 models. While the SS was beating the 07-09 GT500, and likely keeping up with the 10+ model in the corners, the new '12 ZL1 should definately give the GT500 a run for it's money in the curves, if not beat it.

Does anyone have roadcourse info/videos or something of a Camaro SS and a 2010+ GT500? I'd be very curious to see it. I think these cars are closer than people give credit to or want to believe. As put in my first post tho, I am not certain of the exact changes in the 2010 Gt500.

Lets put it this way, Road and Track got the newest GT500 to run a quicker time around Willow Springs than a ZR1.
At Laguna Seca, it is 1.5 seconds quicker than the Camaro SS, and at VIR it is 3.5 seconds quicker than the SS.

The newest GT500 is actually very good around a road course.

I'm certain that 07-09 where identical in suspension in the Gt500's. The 2010+ are still solid rear axel.

I dont know the exact changes to the 2010+ model, but I know it wasn't anything major as far as suspension, they still run solid axel.



What info do you have on the comparison between the GT500 and the boss?

The 2010 Camaro SS ran a 1:27.9 and the '07 body style Gt500 ran a 1:30.0 on topgear with an F1 driver behind the wheel on topgears track.

Also for those of you who don't know, the '12 V8 camaros (both ZL1 and SS) have completely revised FE4 suspenion different from to the '10 and '11 models. While the SS was beating the 07-09 GT500, and likely keeping up with the 10+ model in the corners, the new '12 ZL1 should definately give the GT500 a run for it's money in the curves, if not beat it.

Does anyone have roadcourse info/videos or something of a Camaro SS and a 2010+ GT500? I'd be very curious to see it. I think these cars are closer than people give credit to or want to believe. As put in my first post tho, I am not certain of the exact changes in the 2010 Gt500.The 2011 GT500 weighs less than the 2010 and puts down around 20rwhp more along with about 11 lb-ft more torque. Suspension was also revised and the SRA was all but completely acclaimed for its stability.

Here's a comparison R&T did with the 2011 vs the Grand Sport... http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/comparison/2010-chevrolet-corvette-grand-sport-vs.-2011-ford-shelby-gt500

I've read that the weight is down 168 lb, 84 lb and 102 lb... Idonno which is correct, but its lighter and more powerful, plus the revised suspension. The 2011 GT500 beat the 2010 by almost 2 seconds at VIT(West, I think) and also beat the Grand Sport Corvette according to one article.

The 2009 C&D Lightning Lap had the 2010 SS and 2010 GT500 in it. That was not a really close finish, GT500 lapping in 307.4 to the SS' 309.5. The 2011 GT500 ran the same lap in 3:04.0 and in the LL writeup, it says the previous GT500 ran it in 3:05.9, which I found weird. 2 different times for the same car on the same track, and the 2 weren't even close.

Cool info, I was just trying to get at the fact that the current SS and the GT500 are still a lot closer than most people give credit to. It will be interesting to see how the '12 V8 cars do with the new electronic suspension/revisions ect. My gut feeling is that Camaro fans will be pleasantly surprised (except for chevy fans who hate everything about the new camaros-I'm still trying to figure that out :confused:), and they will definately give the GT500 a hard time in the corners, even with the 200-400 extra pounds on the ZL1.

Time will tell :)

Cool info, I was just trying to get at the fact that the current SS and the GT500 are still a lot closer than most people give credit to.The two aren't really "close" in any aspect of performance. The GT500 easily outruns the current SS and on a road course, like VIR, it doesn't look like a good comparison since the GT500 is roughly 4-10 seconds quicker around the track, depending on driver. It has better handling characteristics and way more power/torque(when both are stock). In the test from R&T(I think it was theirs), the GT500 hung with the Corvette GS in some aspects(they gave it the win) and I don't think anyone is claiming the SS will do that while stock. If anyone does, they're wrong.

The Mustang GT and Camaro SS are quite close and while either is great for the average person, in all candor the GT500 hands either its ass.

It will be interesting to see how the '12 V8 cars do with the new electronic suspension/revisions ect. My gut feeling is that Camaro fans will be pleasantly surprised (except for chevy fans who hate everything about the new camaros-I'm still trying to figure that out :confused:), and they will definately give the GT500 a hard time in the corners, even with the 200-400 extra pounds on the ZL1.

Time will tell :)The '12 cars will surely be close, but the GT500 is expected to get more power and that may hinder it in many ways. I'm expecting the ZL1 to beat the '12 GT500 in most aspects. For '13 or '14(whichever), the GT500 will likely get something entirely different, like IRS and who knows what will happen. Seems to me, the ZL1 powerplant will be much smoother for the average driver, and that will be a great advantage. The only problem will be weight, and I don't think that's as bad as many others expect. "Extra" weight could really help plant the car to the road and that will be a necessary evil with the power level it has. Traction is the issue for all these "power adder" cars.

The 2011 GT500 weighs less than the 2010 and puts down around 20rwhp more along with about 11 lb-ft more torque.

I've read that the weight is down 168 lb, 84 lb and 102 lb... Idonno which is correct, but its lighter and more powerfulI believe it was only a 10hp (crank, not rear wheel) increase and that 102 (or 120?) pounds was the weight savings from 2010 to 2011.

I believe it was only a 10hp (crank, not rear wheel) increase and that 102 (or 120?) pounds was the weight savings from 2010 to 2011.



youre pretty precise with your details.

youre pretty precise with your details.Always. :D ;)

I believe it was only a 10hp (crank, not rear wheel) increase and that 102 (or 120?) pounds was the weight savings from 2010 to 2011.I've read several weights, including 102 for just the engine... As for the hp, I saw a dyno test from a Ford dealership and the 2011 put down right at 20 more than the 2010 on the same dyno, but surely a different day. They made it clear though, the new one beat the old at any and all RPM.

As for the hp, I saw a dyno test from a Ford dealership and the 2011 put down right at 20 more than the 2010 on the same dyno, but surely a different day. They made it clear though, the new one beat the old at any and all RPM.Ok that is possible, I was merely going by the rated (crank hp) numbers, 550 up from 540. :nod: All GT500s (even the older ones) do make some serious power.

4200lbs seems a bit too high for the changes they made. Other sources are saying there are no official weight figures just yet.

Car and driver: http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/11q3/2012_chevrolet_camaro_zl1_cranks_the_dyno_needle_t o_580_hp-car_news

"Development is not yet complete, so there are no weight, acceleration, top-speed, or gas-mileage figures to share."

If it IS 4200lbs, then GM made another mistake with the Camaro in my book. JMO.

A car should only weigh over 3700lbs if it has some serious equipment and luxury and has 4 doors in my opinion.

I totally agree, 4200... isn't that size of the charger? which is a massive 4door dedan? lol It's a shame that they couldn't make it the size of the GTO, which was only 3700ish

Ok that is possible, I was merely going by the rated (crank hp) numbers, 550 up from 540. :nod: All GT500s (even the older ones) do make some serious power.

The 07 GT500(I've driven), are stupid pigs! 500hp and it gives you 12.7 1/4 time? That's sad, really really sad, the loud s/c is the only thing that makes the car sound/feel cool

FWIW, my bone stock 2010 put down more power than a bone stock 2011 on the same dyno, about 20 minutes apart from eachother. Mine had ~6k miles on it at the time, and the 2011 had slightly more. The difference is certainly not 20whp.