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Old 09-13-2011, 10:40 PM
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Default intake/tb worth any significant gains on my fi setup?

Looking to do a few mods this year. I put down 811 rwhp with a 408 f1a procharged engine thru a 4l80 and a horrendous set of headers and exhaust. I'm definetly doing that but I was wondering if there's any significant gains to be had by doing a good intake and throttle body. I'm running an ls6 now.
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Fast would be good for 50+ rwhp at 15 psi.
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Holy crap, Really? which one?
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Originally Posted by 98Z28CobraKiller
Fast would be good for 50+ rwhp at 15 psi.
You have back to back dyno proof of this?
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What about the Edelbrock Pro-Flo XT if it will fit with his setup? I would run that before spending the money on a FAST.
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I know Bob at brute speed had a F1A/402 combo in a caddy and he said it picked up 60+ rwhp swapping out to a fast intake.
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Originally Posted by blue00ZZleeper
I know Bob at brute speed had a F1A/402 combo in a caddy and he said it picked up 60+ rwhp swapping out to a fast intake.
and that was with a fast 90 i believe.
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I heard the 90 was not good with handling boost, any opinions on which is the best choise
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fast 102 lsxr
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Originally Posted by skinnies
You have back to back dyno proof of this?
On an NA motor any FAST90 or newer is good for at least 25 rwhp at 1 BAR. At 2 BAR it doubles. 50 rwhp is on the low side. It will probably loose boost though as the FAST is less of a restriction.
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Originally Posted by lmt0705
I heard the 90 was not good with handling boost, any opinions on which is the best choise
I've put 23 psi so far to my FAST90 without issues. i did weld up the holes for the knock sensors on the valley pan which will seep lots of heat and I removed all the gaskets out from between the layers and filled the channels with black RTV.
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The best part about forced induction such as a supercharger is if you want more power through more boost at it. An intake and tb isnt really going to do much for you because your already forcing the air past them. Now to a degree there is a diffrence but not enough to really be worth the time and effort. A fast system is really nice but if you have a good tuner worth his salt its not needed. Its alittle easier to tune but again a tuner worth his salt will know what to do. Forget all the rest of addons at this pont cheep easy horse power is more boost. No matter what changes you make you will have to retune.
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Not worried about retuning, just trying to maximize my setup. I don't want to waste 1500 either. But if its really worth 50+ rwhp that's worth it, I'm already pushing close to max impeller speed now
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Originally Posted by 98Z28CobraKiller
On an NA motor any FAST90 or newer is good for at least 25 rwhp at 1 BAR. At 2 BAR it doubles. 50 rwhp is on the low side. It will probably loose boost though as the FAST is less of a restriction.
Have any dyno proof of this though? Everyone has IDEAS on how it should work, but I would like to see dyno proof of back to back runs.
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I think you need to look at what type of FI setup it is. His boost is reliant on pulley size not a boost controller.

If you set the boost controller at 15psi on a turbo setup and change the intake it is going to flow more air (less restriction now) to keep the same amount of boost. That would be a really big gain.

His volume of air flow isn't going to change unless he re-pulleys the car to make the same boost after the intake swap.

You would probably see a really good gain just from an efficiency standpoint but I wouldn't expect it to be as much as a turbo setup that is keeping the same amount of boost before and after.


So if you are after max efficiency, swap the intake. If you just want more power, pulley it up. That is assuming you have the belt system to keep it from slipping.
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Pretty much out of room without overspinning the blower, don't care what the boost gauge says, but I do care what the dyno and my timeslip say
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If your not going to belt down the supercharger to bring your car back to the boost it was at prior to the intake, then I think your gains will be more inline with N/A gains.
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Originally Posted by lmt0705
Not worried about retuning, just trying to maximize my setup. I don't want to waste 1500 either. But if its really worth 50+ rwhp that's worth it, I'm already pushing close to max impeller speed now
It's about air flow and restriction, if you install a fast you'll see a drop in boost but make similiar power. You will have spin the blower faster to get to the same boost level and that's where you'll see the increase at a set pressure level.
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so then your saying an intake is a waste of money? spinning the blower faster is not reall much of an option, i have very little room left
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Originally Posted by lmt0705
so then your saying an intake is a waste of money? spinning the blower faster is not reall much of an option, i have very little room left
I thought you would see more power out of a F1A?


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