Automotive News, Media & Press - Cadillac ATS in action

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/09/10-cadillac-ats-cp-sept-1315848223.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0lMQdLSlTs

http://www.lsxtv.com/news/gm-posts-video-of-the-cadillac-ats-in-action/

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/12/spy-shots-2013-cadillac-ats-sheds-cladding-gains-swirls/

Did the President of Cadillac, North America just make up a word in regard to refinement?
1:33-1:35, "Refineness."

I know I'm nitpicking to a huge extent, but it helps to know the right term for a quality you are trying to achieve.:P

That car could turn out to be another great one, they just have to keep a close eye on the curb weights.

Did the President of Cadillac, North America just make up a word in regard to refinement?
1:33-1:35, "Refineness."

I know I'm nitpicking to a huge extent, but it helps to know the right term for a quality you are trying to achieve.:P

I know I'm nitpicking but he said "refinedness" which is actually a word.

I know I'm nitpicking but he said "refinedness" which is actually a word.

Two things:

1) It still sounds like he is saying refineness in the video

2) Refinedness is not a word...
If it was, it would have virtually the same meaning as the adjective meaning of refinement.

Think about it. If the present-tense "refineness" isn't a word, why would the past tense form "refinedness" be a word?

A little proof: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/refinedness

On topic, this Cadillac looks like it could be a really nice machine.

I'm looking forward to the ATS-V. It's rumored that it will have a twin turbo 3.8l, but I'm still hopeful that it will offer an LS engine at some point.

The only negative I can think of is that the CTS will grow a little bit now that Cadillac will have a car for the compact segment.
I don't quite get this though as the current CTS has roughly the exact same dimensions as the E60 5-series.
If it grows, I hope it is only to a small extent. It would be nice for them to use more aluminum in the V and bring down the weight a little.

I wouldn't be opposed to a TT six for the V, but I'd rather see an LSX.

That car could turn out to be another great one, they just have to keep a close eye on the curb weights.

I fully agree with this...

I wouldn't be opposed to a TT six for the V, but I'd rather see an LSX.

...and this.

Two things:

1) It still sounds like he is saying refineness in the video

2) Refinedness is not a word...
If it was, it would have virtually the same meaning as the adjective meaning of refinement.

Think about it. If the present-tense "refineness" isn't a word, why would the past tense form "refinedness" be a word?

A little proof: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/refinedness

Two things:

1) Say both aloud, can you really tell the difference in how quickly it's said? I didn't think so.

2) Refinedness is a word, I hate to be the bearer of bad news. It's a noun; may not be used that often anymore.

I can provide a little "proof" as well.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/refinedness
http://writersevents.com/Words_Starting_with_R/reeve_reformatories/refinedness_definition.html
http://onlinedictionary.datasegment.com/word/refinedness
http://www.wordnik.com/words/refinedness

looks like a slightly smaller cts.... kinda plain

looks like a slightly smaller cts.... kinda plain

3 series, 5 sereis, and 7 series look awefully similar short of their size. Same can be said for the Mercedes C and E cars.

Two things:

1) Say both aloud, can you really tell the difference in how quickly it's said? I didn't think so.

2) Refinedness is a word, I hate to be the bearer of bad news. It's a noun; may not be used that often anymore.

I can provide a little "proof" as well.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/refinedness
http://writersevents.com/Words_Starting_with_R/reeve_reformatories/refinedness_definition.html
http://onlinedictionary.datasegment.com/word/refinedness
http://www.wordnik.com/words/refinedness

I don't care what a few two-bit websites say.
Merriam Webster and other reputable sources do not recognize that it is a word.

It just isn't a word, sorry to disappoint you.
If you have a dictionary in print form, pocket or otherwise, I dare you to find the word "refinedness" in that book.

So what's more reputable:
Every dictionary in print
-http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/refinedness
-http://www.thefreedictionary.com/refinedness
-http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/refinedness
-Merriam Webster

-Or the websites you listed?


Maybe it was a word at one time, because one of your sources lists their source as a Merriam Webster dated in 1913, but Webster no longer acknowledges it as a word. Perhaps it was replaced by a word that sounds better, or just replaced it over time.

Allow me to introduce the word REFINEMENT to you.

Here is the definition of refinement:
N. "The state or quality of being refined"

Wouldn't that be the same definition of the made-up word, refinedness.
I don't know personally because it's not a word and because your sources don't give a definition.
Given the root word and the usual use of "ness," I'd be willing to gamble that they mean the same thing.


Ah wait, I found a source that mentions the 1913 source that your websites use:
http://www.1828-dictionary.com/d/word/refinedness
REFI'NEDNESS, n. State of being refined

That looks awfully familiar. Oh, and they say the exact word is NOT found in the 1913 Webster dictionary.


Nail in the coffin?
Scrabble doesn't even recognize it:lol:
http://www.scrabblefinder.com/word/refinedness/
http://www.hasbro.com/scrabble/en_US/search.cfm


EDIT: It looks like it was used at some point, but died out in favor of the word refinement, which has the same definition.
I found it in one of my unabridged webster dictionaries.

SHUT UP ENGLISH MAJORS. Take your report to class or something. Car looks stellar from what you can tell.

ATS looks pretty sick from the pics we have.... Can't wait!

Two things:
1) It still sounds like he is saying refineness in the video
2) Refinedness is not a word...
If it was, it would have virtually the same meaning as the adjective meaning of refinement.
Think about it. If the present-tense "refineness" isn't a word, why would the past tense form "refinedness" be a word?
A little proof: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/refinedness

:hijack::violin::givesfuck

3 series, 5 sereis, and 7 series look awefully similar short of their size. Same can be said for the Mercedes C and E cars.

Exactly....

SHUT UP ENGLISH MAJORS. Take your report to class or something. Car looks stellar from what you can tell.

:judge:

http://cdn1.worldcarfans.co/2011/9/19/medium/1252542789705647883.jpg
http://cdn1.worldcarfans.co/2011/9/19/medium/960046474438526640.jpg
http://cdn1.worldcarfans.co/2011/9/19/medium/2137578052915107050.jpg
http://cdn1.worldcarfans.co/2011/9/19/medium/10963470302015590831.jpg
http://cdn1.worldcarfans.co/2011/9/19/medium/11589727279149249.jpg

Interior looks very much like the CTS, which is a good thing.

:hijack::violin::givesfuck

:321::fart:

I agree though, the ATS looks amazing.
I can't wait for the ATS-V...:nod:

How about a ATS-V with a TT V6 - and a very expensive ATS-V+....with an LS9 :D
Why limit yourself? Make it a special edition, overprice it, whatever, but that combination would be just....awesome, cool and probably lethal...

TTV6 has been scrapped, according to insiders. The alpha chassis has gotten too heavy. New rumors say the gen 5 LT1 (DI LSx engine) will power the ATS-V.

Man they did a good job with that camo, can't see shit for body lines.