Automotive News, Media & Press - viper acr beats new LFA & ZR1 'Ring lap time

sweet. http://jalopnik.com/5840489/dodge-viper-acr-sets-new-nurburgring-lap-time-of-712and-some-change

Saw a new Viper ACR at a local show and shine a couple of weeks ago. As it goes rolling by some old dude says "It would be better if they took the ricer wing off"....Seriously.....

The car so fast you aren't gonna see the wing anyways.

These nurburgring records last shorter and shorter.

LMAO wow that didn't take long! Take that shit Lexus!

HAHAHA so glad to see this & put all the LFA shit talkers to rest..... No vid though?? They also said the Dodge Viper ACR-X got 7:03 :eek2: I wonder what a ZR1 "track edition" would get or even the C6R?!?!! :engarde:

Nice. :cool: :cheers:

And then there is the 'X' model:

"Oh, and also, the SRT folks brought along a Dodge Viper ACR-X, which tore up the track with a stunning 7:03..and change."

http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/09/nurburgreen-550x369.jpg

Quoth the Viper Club (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&drKey=1451&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetruthaboutcars.com%2F2011% 2F09%2Fnew-viper-ring-record-should-put-an-end-to-this-ring-time-nonsense-for-all-but-the-most-irredeemably-stupid%2F&v=1&libid=1316186694371&out=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.viperclub.org%2Fthreads%2F 648072-Vipers-looking-for-revenge-at-The-Ring-Today!!!%3Fs%3Df180a7436910cb07f2f09e10c7dedb00&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetruthaboutcars.com%2Fpage% 2F2%2F&title=New%20Viper%20%E2%80%98Ring%20Record%20Shoul d%20Put%20An%20End%20To%20This%20%E2%80%98Ring%20T ime%20Nonsense%20For%20All%20But%20The%20Most%20Ir redeemably%20Stupid%20%7C%20The%20Truth%20About%20 Cars&txt=Viper%20Club&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13161867834681):

Will those guys at Generous Motors ever learn? When you play with a snake…. you eventually get bit.

They are trying to hide the news at the Corvette Forums, but like the horsepower in their supercharged small block… it’s too much to handle.

The word is out , let the crying and the excuses begin.

There’s no “official” word yet about it, but it appears that a new-old-stock 2010 Viper ACR, pulled off the floor at Tomball Dodge, has run a 7:12 “and change”.

It is so nice to be proven right. In my article about GM’s decision to return to the Ring for more publicity, I wrote (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/06/whats-wrong-with-this-video-the-day-ring-times-jumped-the-shark-edition/),

Is the ACR still faster around the ‘Ring on equal tires? Almost certainly.

I made that statement based on my time driving Corvettes and Vipers and from observing the various ‘Ring videos. Needless to say, I was tried in absentia and sentenced to death by various forum fanboys around the globe. Sorry, kids!

According to various sources around the Internet, the SRT team took two ACRs from the showroom floor of Texas dealership Tomball Dodge and ran 7:12. This puts them ahead of the GT-R, the GT2, the ZR1, and the LF-A. To do it, they had to find ten seconds on a seven-minute track, which is about like finding two seconds at Mid-Ohio: difficult, but not impossible. And Chevrolet had already shown them how to do it: put in some more laps and swap out the tires.

The tire-swapping bit, by the way, is my personal conjecture. I don’t know that they put new tires on. I strongly doubt that they left the 2009-vintage stockers on. Tires degenerate as they are exposed to ozone.

What’s more important than the specific tire composition are these two facts:

•The Viper ACR is the finest vehicle ever built. I believe this in my soul. The only reason I don’t have one: it’s capable of eating $2000 a day worth of tires on the racetrack, whereas my Boxster can humiliate trackday heroes all year for one set of $500 used Hoosiers.

•‘Ring times are like any other laptimes in the world: subject to weather, chance, and the constant grinding effort of development work. Doesn’t matter if you start with a “stock” car. You can adjust camber, you can crank the toe in back until you either set a record or kill your driver, you can mess around with tire temps, you can use your datalogger to stitch together an “ideal lap” and then go run that lap. Period. No magic. No special significance. It’s a racetrack. Nothing more. Nothing less.

If you don’t think the LF-A crew could go back and develop another few seconds out of the car, you’re nuts. This could continue for a very long time, or at least until a driver dies setting a marketing laptime. At the speeds these cars can reach, and the ‘Ring’s archaic barrier setup, that day cannot be far away. The times will drop as long as there is the slightest possibility of enticing some Russian mobster to trade in one car for another based on those times.

Right now, however, the Viper is on top. An old 2010 model of a car developed in 2001 beat the “world’s best”. Best of all, you can run out and buy one still at many dealers. Why’s that? Because sometimes being the fastest car out there isn’t enough to move the fiberglass. But you knew that, right?

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Big surprise. ACR is the most ballin car the average Joe can buy.

Nice to see American cars high up on the list.

........its only a matter of time before the haters come in and tell us how much "nicer" the LFA is........:gtfo:

^ i wouldn't be suprised. i love how they held the record in only a week and then dodge comes along and says yea... were still the shit

Well the LFA certainly is a nicer much more liveable car just not as fast :lol:

HAHAHAHAHAHA LFA bit the dust. I really think that car is highly over rated and over priced.

overpriced for sure

If I was given the choice between a house and a viper... well.

http://dump4free.com/preview/1/Priorities%20viper%20motivational_poaster.jpg

:engarde:http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/09/nurburgreen-550x369.jpg

Quoth the Viper Club (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&drKey=1451&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetruthaboutcars.com%2F2011% 2F09%2Fnew-viper-ring-record-should-put-an-end-to-this-ring-time-nonsense-for-all-but-the-most-irredeemably-stupid%2F&v=1&libid=1316186694371&out=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.viperclub.org%2Fthreads%2F 648072-Vipers-looking-for-revenge-at-The-Ring-Today!!!%3Fs%3Df180a7436910cb07f2f09e10c7dedb00&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thetruthaboutcars.com%2Fpage% 2F2%2F&title=New%20Viper%20%E2%80%98Ring%20Record%20Shoul d%20Put%20An%20End%20To%20This%20%E2%80%98Ring%20T ime%20Nonsense%20For%20All%20But%20The%20Most%20Ir redeemably%20Stupid%20%7C%20The%20Truth%20About%20 Cars&txt=Viper%20Club&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13161867834681):

Will those guys at Generous Motors ever learn? When you play with a snake…. you eventually get bit.

They are trying to hide the news at the Corvette Forums, but like the horsepower in their supercharged small block… it’s too much to handle.

The word is out , let the crying and the excuses begin.

There’s no “official” word yet about it, but it appears that a new-old-stock 2010 Viper ACR, pulled off the floor at Tomball Dodge, has run a 7:12 “and change”.

It is so nice to be proven right. In my article about GM’s decision to return to the Ring for more publicity, I wrote (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/06/whats-wrong-with-this-video-the-day-ring-times-jumped-the-shark-edition/),

Is the ACR still faster around the ‘Ring on equal tires? Almost certainly.

I made that statement based on my time driving Corvettes and Vipers and from observing the various ‘Ring videos. Needless to say, I was tried in absentia and sentenced to death by various forum fanboys around the globe. Sorry, kids!

According to various sources around the Internet, the SRT team took two ACRs from the showroom floor of Texas dealership Tomball Dodge and ran 7:12. This puts them ahead of the GT-R, the GT2, the ZR1, and the LF-A. To do it, they had to find ten seconds on a seven-minute track, which is about like finding two seconds at Mid-Ohio: difficult, but not impossible. And Chevrolet had already shown them how to do it: put in some more laps and swap out the tires.

The tire-swapping bit, by the way, is my personal conjecture. I don’t know that they put new tires on. I strongly doubt that they left the 2009-vintage stockers on. Tires degenerate as they are exposed to ozone.

What’s more important than the specific tire composition are these two facts:

•The Viper ACR is the finest vehicle ever built. I believe this in my soul. The only reason I don’t have one: it’s capable of eating $2000 a day worth of tires on the racetrack, whereas my Boxster can humiliate trackday heroes all year for one set of $500 used Hoosiers.

•‘Ring times are like any other laptimes in the world: subject to weather, chance, and the constant grinding effort of development work. Doesn’t matter if you start with a “stock” car. You can adjust camber, you can crank the toe in back until you either set a record or kill your driver, you can mess around with tire temps, you can use your datalogger to stitch together an “ideal lap” and then go run that lap. Period. No magic. No special significance. It’s a racetrack. Nothing more. Nothing less.

If you don’t think the LF-A crew could go back and develop another few seconds out of the car, you’re nuts. This could continue for a very long time, or at least until a driver dies setting a marketing laptime. At the speeds these cars can reach, and the ‘Ring’s archaic barrier setup, that day cannot be far away. The times will drop as long as there is the slightest possibility of enticing some Russian mobster to trade in one car for another based on those times.

Right now, however, the Viper is on top. An old 2010 model of a car developed in 2001 beat the “world’s best”. Best of all, you can run out and buy one still at many dealers. Why’s that? Because sometimes being the fastest car out there isn’t enough to move the fiberglass. But you knew that, right?

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"the viper is the finest vehicle ever built, i believe it in my soul"

haha if thats not nutswingin' i dont know what is. the ZR1 will return the favor

Well the LFA certainly is a nicer much more liveable car just not as fast :lol:

Considering you can almost buy a brand new ACR Viper and a brand new LFA for the price of the Ring edition LFA, I would hope it's much nicer! I don't know how Lexus is selling any of them. I know the you can buy X, X, and X for the price of whatever expensive car is a poor thing to bring up normally, but not when you can almost buy a 458, MP4-12C, AND a Z06 for the price of a Ring edition LFA.

That said, Ring times are useless in the real world. Until they have the same driver, the same conditions, and the same timing equipment, they are nothing more than fuel for a bench racers arguement.

HAHAHAHAHAHA LFA bit the dust. I really think that car is highly over rated and over priced.:werd:





http://dump4free.com/preview/1/Priorities%20viper%20motivational_poaster.jpgI see nothing at all wrong with that picture.:huh:

:D ;)

•The Viper ACR is the finest vehicle ever built. I believe this in my soul.

Wow, that's deep.:eyes:
This is probably the corniest thing I've read that someone wrote about a car.
Is it possible to be a harder nutswinger?:lol:

I really like the Viper, but weighing over 3400lbs and managing to have a worse interior than a C6 doesn't really make it the finest car built.
In my humble opinion, there really is no "finest car ever built." That description is just too broad.

Wow...that is ridiculously fast!! Well done!! :cheers: Looking forward to reading more about it and how many laps they did and if they smacked the rev limiter half a dozen times like last time and especially if they re-geared it.

The finest car is a veyron SS :nod:

Nice. :cool: :cheers:

And then there is the 'X' model:

"Oh, and also, the SRT folks brought along a Dodge Viper ACR-X, which tore up the track with a stunning 7:03..and change."

These SRT folks don't fuck around lol I always wished the SRT-6 crossfire had a manual so i'd get one :/ But seriously though I've secretly always admired the mopars

Wow, that's deep.:eyes:
This is probably the corniest thing I've read that someone wrote about a car.
Is it possible to be a harder nutswinger?:lol:

I really like the Viper, but weighing over 3400lbs and managing to have a worse interior than a C6 doesn't really make it the finest car built.
In my humble opinion, there really is no "finest car ever built." That description is just too broad.

Depends what their definition of "finest car ever built" is? interior wise? LFA and GTR and McLaren. The daily comfort? You are correct, it is too broad to say such thing.

The finest car is a veyron SS :nod:

Doesn't look the part.

It catches your attention, but is very far from beautiful.
In fact, I find it kind of ugly. I think the Viper for example looks much better than it.

Also, it weighs over two tons and costs way too much money. Somewhat overpriced really.
And yes, I do think value should be taken into consideration to some extent.

Scratch the kind of ugly part. It is quite ugly really... (JMO).

The finest car ever built in my opinion would have to be under 3500lbs, beautiful/handsome, somewhat comfortable (won't break your back), well appointed, quick, fast, quick around a track, and be priced accordingly.

The Viper fails in the somewhat comfortable, well appointed, and beautiful categories. Not the exterior, but the interior. That is what you see all the time if it is a car worth driving and it's not very pleasant to around IMO.

I'm sure few will agree with me, but the Ford GT and the 997 911 come pretty close to meeting these goals. The GT is too dated to be as quick as the others around a track though, and the 997 911 could be better looking and stand out a little more.

Oh, I know, the Aventador comes very close to meeting all of the broad goals. Though, some find the flashy appearance to be ostentatious.

I'm a viper fan but I don't think they are the perfect cars or whatever that dude said. But fuck that is a fast lap time. I bet when we see the video you see a lot of wheel correction for the ass end getting out from under him lol. I bet it was a handful

Where the ZR1 takes the horsepower lead, the ACR takes the aerodynamics. Not saying the ACR isn't a badass car, but throw a little more downforce at a ZR1 and let's see what it'll do.

Fuck the lexus.

Where the ZR1 takes the horsepower lead, the ACR takes the aerodynamics. Not saying the ACR isn't a badass car, but throw a little more downforce at a ZR1 and let's see what it'll do.

Fuck the lexus.

downforce and suspension stuff. the vid of the last lap the zr1 did showd it to be a bit wild in some turns.

So is the ACR vid EVER going to get posted?!?!?!

Doesn't look the part.

It catches your attention, but is very far from beautiful.
In fact, I find it kind of ugly. I think the Viper for example looks much better than it.

Also, it weighs over two tons and costs way too much money. Somewhat overpriced really.
And yes, I do think value should be taken into consideration to some extent.

Scratch the kind of ugly part. It is quite ugly really... (JMO).

The finest car ever built in my opinion would have to be under 3500lbs, beautiful/handsome, somewhat comfortable (won't break your back), well appointed, quick, fast, quick around a track, and be priced accordingly.

The Viper fails in the somewhat comfortable, well appointed, and beautiful categories. Not the exterior, but the interior. That is what you see all the time if it is a car worth driving and it's not very pleasant to around IMO.

I'm sure few will agree with me, but the Ford GT and the 997 911 come pretty close to meeting these goals. The GT is too dated to be as quick as the others around a track though, and the 997 911 could be better looking and stand out a little more.

Oh, I know, the Aventador comes very close to meeting all of the broad goals. Though, some find the flashy appearance to be ostentatious.

When talking about the "finest" of anything, price has absolutely NOTHING to do with it.

So is the ACR vid EVER going to get posted?!?!?!Yes. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0IivYhIZNM&feature=player_embedded#

Not sure if this is footage of the actual 7:12 lap or just an earlier test pass but it is from the very same sessions that week. :nod:

God damn that thing accelerates hard!

:werd:





I see nothing at all wrong with that picture.:huh:

:D ;)


There is a huge problem with that picture.....it doesn't have a garage bigger than the trailer.

If I didn't have a wife and kids me and that dude would be room mates with matching cars.

There is a huge problem with that picture.....it doesn't have a garage bigger than the trailer.

If I didn't have a wife and kids me and that dude would be room mates with matching cars.:D :thumb:

Yea but I wanna see an official vid of it

Yea but I wanna see an official vid of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4-e3uSYPpg

I'm a viper fan but I don't think they are the perfect cars or whatever that dude said.

This x100000

I daily drove my dads 05' SRT-10 for a month and it was the most uncomfortable, roughest, pain in the ass vehicle I have ever driven, but god damn did that thing move and pull so much vagina. Love that thing, just gotta convince him to buy an ACR so I can buy his for dirt cheap haha.

Not to mention filling up the tank every 2 days.

They may not be very refined but they make for helluva sports car. 8.3 liters of brute force and aerodynamic aids make the Viper a powerhouse at the track. The video just makes me drool. Thanks for posting.

vipers have always been my favorite car. maybe one day........

This x100000

I daily drove my dads 05' SRT-10 for a month and it was the most uncomfortable, roughest, pain in the ass vehicle I have ever driven, but god damn did that thing move and pull so much vagina. Love that thing, just gotta convince him to buy an ACR so I can buy his for dirt cheap haha.

Not to mention filling up the tank every 2 days.

hahaha..you lucky bastard!! must be so true!!!

I am curious what the 2013 model will do with 700 hp ;)