Automotive News, Media & Press - New Ford ad bashes the bailouts

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwKbItOQNKc&feature=player_embedded

and here it comes..

and here it comes..

give it a second...

haha well at least it was the american government that did the bailing out. I for one am glad that Chevrolet and Chrysler are still around making great new cars for all their customers.

haha well at least it was the american government that did the bailing out. I for one am glad that Chevrolet and Chrysler are still around making great new cars for all their customers.:werd: :nod:

IIRC Ford did receive some money.

also, if GM and Chrysler weren't bailed out and flopped, the entire auto industry would have collapsed as well.

Haven't you heard GM is now going to China for government subsidies?! It was announced yesterday.

Both GM and GE electric are doing a joint venture thing with the Chinese government backing them.

Haven't you heard GM is now going to China for government subsidies?! It was announced yesterday.

Both GM and GE electric are doing a joint venture thing with the Chinese government backing them.

just shows how far down the shit hole our country has gone... Ill never buy another GM product again... im going to trade my ss in on a BMW M3...

Man it's weird what people in this country get worked up about. So an American company that employees a lot of people was loaned money to stay afloat. Who gives a fuck. Corporate welfare is nothing new. If they weren't bailed out, all the workers that would be laid off would then have to rely on welfare. Either way it's an expense to the taxpayer.

I'm more concerned about taxpayer money that's getting wasted trying to prop up the corrupt governments in Iraq and Afghanistan. The fuck are we still doing over there...

also, if GM and Chrysler weren't bailed out and flopped, the entire auto industry would have collapsed as well.I kind of have to agree. :nod:




Ill never buy another GM product again...Really? :huh: Right when some of their cars are getting REALLY good too?
Damn, I personally couldn't fathom a world without a Corvette in my garage. :nono:




im going to trade my ss in on a BMW M3...Yeah that's logical, because the German government NEVER helped out BMW, right? :eyes:
A government that at one point (not all that long ago) attempted to exterminate 12,000,000 to 20,000,000 fellow innocent human beings too by the way.
Just sayin'.

I kind of have to agree. :nod:




Really? :huh: Right when some of their cars are getting REALLY good too?
Damn, I personally couldn't fathom a world without a Corvette in my garage. :nono:




Yeah that's logical, because the German government NEVER helped out BMW, right? :eyes:
A government that at one point (not all that long ago) attempted to exterminate 12,000,000 to 20,000,000 fellow innocent human beings too by the way.
Just sayin'.


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lolz at ford feeling the pressure.

Yeah that's logical, because the German government NEVER helped out BMW, right? :eyes:

BMW and Mercedes have both received money from the U.S. gov't too. However it was a loan, not bailout money. Someone posted a link of all the companies that have received money from the U.S. government over the past few years. It was quite surprising. Anyone who thinks these companies don't receive kick backs from federal and state govt's is naive. Competition for job creation.

Yea, people need to understand the difference in bailout money versus the "loans" you hear about.

Those loans come from the department of energy to develop "green" tech or just basic fuel economy advances. It's the government's way of "persuading" or enticing the private field to develop specific things "they" see as good for us (...i'm trying to hold a straight face here...). The money can't be used for anything other than the specific technology upgrade the loan was taken out for. Kinda big brother-ish, but the DOE have been handing out billions per year in loans like this for many years. You only hear about it now that the media has gotten a taste of how ratings explode when the words "bailout" or "government loan" gets used in the corporate setting.

Ford's ad was actually aired some time ago... just today there was a article on foxnews.com where ford and the WH was back peddling and making excuses for why the ad only lasted a few days/weeks. We ain't stupid... we know the gov had something to do with it... most commercials run for months on end.

Edit: here's the link: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/28/white-house-ford-deny-claim-that-bailout-ad-was-pulled-under-pressure/

Guy posted that on another website. Said that it was his neighbor in the commercial.


I don't think the whole auto industry would of fallen apart if GM had not been bailed out; but I do believe that it would have had a drastic impact on our unemployment.

just shows how far down the shit hole our country has gone... Ill never buy another GM product again... im going to trade my ss in on a BMW M3...Our country has fallen due to people who dont buy AMERICAN so stew on that while you drive your GERMAN car and how much you just helped improve your country sir.


I'm more concerned about taxpayer money that's getting wasted trying to prop up the corrupt governments in Iraq and Afghanistan. The fuck are we still doing over there...Very true to much money wasted and to many soldiers lost.


I don't think the whole auto industry would of fallen apart if GM had not been bailed out; but I do believe that it would have had a drastic impact on our unemployment.

Yeah it wouldnt fall apart but it would be damn close due to the loss of jobs not only from GM but every other business that depends on GM to survive and that fall out would be massive now double that if Chrysler went under and we have a industry melt down here in the US.

Standing on there own eh?...

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/12/blue-ops-the-clandestine-bailout-of-ford/

GM and others would be healthier companies today, if they reorganized and did so without the bailouts foisted upon We The People.

I sayeth -- Unconstitutional, and Unamerican.

just shows how far down the shit hole our country has gone... Ill never buy another GM product again... im going to trade my ss in on a BMW M3...

Fry is not talking about the DOE retooling loan, and Ford’s well publicized use of government loan guarantees. Fry found a $7 billion government check to Ford that was hidden from the public’s eye. Well, not really, it was mentioned on page 18 of a document submitted by Ford to the Senate Banking Committee on December 2, 2008, but who reads that stuff?

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/12/blue-ops-the-clandestine-bailout-of-ford/

GM had about 15 billion in the bank, Chrysler the same, Ford had around 30 billion and Toyota around 100 billion. All four were burning around 4.5 billion per month in 08, GM and Chrysler went down in about 3 months and if it had gone on for another 3 months Ford would have been down for a full bailout as well. Good leadership at Ford and them mortgaging the farm to get through it is what helped them.

In addition Toyota, BMW and a few others took some some cash as well.

In the depths of the financial collapse, the U.S. Federal Reserve pumped $3.3 trillion into keeping credit moving through the economy. It eventually lent $57.9 billion to the auto industry — including $26.8 billion to Ford, Toyota and BMW.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2637728/posts

This took all of two minutes on google.

I will continue to buy American, hell my father has two 2012 cars and is getting a new camaro next lol. He has a Malibu ltz and crew cab silverado as his work truck. Got to support them or they fall apart like they have been.

I think what a lot of people fail to realize is that had GM and Chrysler been left to fail, they would not have simply disappeared off the face of the planet. An entity with enough money would have purchased all or part of what was GM and reorganized it, and would have likely continued with the same name. It's the American way and the way it should have been allowed to happen.

A perfect example of this is Indian Motorcycles.

Our country has fallen due to people who dont buy AMERICAN so stew on that while you drive your GERMAN car and how much you just helped improve your country sir.I will continue to buy American, hell my father has two 2012 cars and is getting a new camaro next lol. He has a Malibu ltz and crew cab silverado as his work truck. Got to support them or they fall apart like they have been.:werd:x 1000! :nod: :usa:

I've had a 2010 SS during the GM bailout and now I have the stang. I couldn't care less about the politics of a particular company and it's shitty for one company to call another out on stuff like that.

It's also shitty to let that sway your personal purchases. Buy the product you like. Here's a hint, every large company has some unfortunate skeletons in their closet.

long as they pay the money back, who cares.

Man it's weird what people in this country get worked up about. So an American company that employees a lot of people was loaned money to stay afloat. Who gives a fuck. Corporate welfare is nothing new. If they weren't bailed out, all the workers that would be laid off would then have to rely on welfare. Either way it's an expense to the taxpayer.

I'm more concerned about taxpayer money that's getting wasted trying to prop up the corrupt governments in Iraq and Afghanistan. The fuck are we still doing over there...

WTF do I care if mexicans and canadians are laid off. They took all the factories out of america with free trade. I own a 2006 trailblazer, a 2005 Z71 and a 2000 Firehawk TA. My next truck will be a Toyota. At least I know some people that work there. All of the people that I knew that worked for G.M. got laid off. Then they and I had to help bail G.M.s asses out. BTW most of the FORMER G.M. employees are on welfare cause they have no freakin JOB. Do you own a new G.M. vehicle? Where is it made? I agree with your second paragraph though.

All of the people that I knew that worked for G.M. got laid off. BTW most of the FORMER G.M. employees are on welfare cause they have no freakin JOB.Well, yeah, of course...because many years ago a lot of otherwise fine, loyal American consumers said (and did) something like this:[B]My next truck will be a Toyota.

Back in the extremely prosperous post war '50s and '60s nearly EVERYONE drove domestic nameplate vehicles and wouldn't even fathom the idea of buying a Toyota and guess what?
EVERYBODY (that chose to work) also had a decent paying job too, 'welfare' and 'unemployment benefits' were very seldom used terms.
Coincidence?:huh:




Do you own a new G.M. vehicle? Where is it made?Bowling Green Kentucky, United States of America.

WTF do I care if mexicans and canadians are laid off. They took all the factories out of america with free trade. I own a 2006 trailblazer, a 2005 Z71 and a 2000 Firehawk TA. My next truck will be a Toyota. At least I know some people that work there. All of the people that I knew that worked for G.M. got laid off. Then they and I had to help bail G.M.s asses out. BTW most of the FORMER G.M. employees are on welfare cause they have no freakin JOB. Do you own a new G.M. vehicle? Where is it made? I agree with your second paragraph though.

I agree with you it's a shame how much GM has outsourced... but there's still a lot of Americans who would be standing in line for unemployment if it weren't for the bailout.

What's really bullshit was the bank bailout... what a scam that was.

Ford has no right to bash anyone. Here we have a country with a huge unemployment crisis. 55.3% of all 19-29y/o are unemployed and they just finished up two new plants in India. They're greed is overwhelming. They paid out over $100million in bonuses to only two men. On top of the huge bonuses they paid to their salaried personel. Still they support a two-tier pay system for their workers that saves them less than $5mil a year and they try to say they can't afford to pay the workers fair.

If Ford had any decency or respect for America they'd start closing down plants over boarders and bringing them home. Instead they profit billions and spend it in other countries. To get cheap labor for low quality parts.

You wouldn't believe how much shit we get for the Escapes that comes from other countries that has no quality... Made all over the world assembled in America... Sometimes.

It's almost comical that some of you think buying an American started name brand vehicle actually supports Americans. An alarming amount of vehicles are made outside our borders. If a business can't stand on its own it needs to fail to grow back stronger. Just like a forest fire, burns everything down then new life comes back stronger than ever. If my business failed I wouldn't be able to get help from the govenment, neither should GM or Chrysler.

If my business failed I wouldn't be able to get help from the govenment, neither should GM or Chrysler.

That's not apples to apples, if your business went under you would have lost a hand full of people. If GM, Chrysler and possibly Ford had gone under we were talking millions and millions of people. Not just people directly associated with the Auto industry, people in the small cafes, diners and restaurants. Small business that make tooling (you'd be surprised at the number of small machine shops that make tooling). Towns and Villages who depend on it. This would have taken many of the other larger guys down with it. A lot of imports would have been hurting as well when companies like Dana would be slammed. You would be talking millions on unemployment. It's really a totally different situation. I didn't want to see it....but we didn't have a choice. Letting them fail was not an option.

The reason they were in the boat they were is mostly the result of the American consumer. When you can't complete with unfair regulations (importing) you have to cut corners - 80% of the time Americans will always buy the cheaper product. When you cut corners your product tends to suffer. I will also say that when Americans coined the imports are better than the domestics phrase early on, that it was a result of Americans being lazy. The imports found it cheaper to make assemblies and sealed units rather than make things rebuildable or greaseable like their American counterpart. Things fail when they are neglected, as we all know, Americans are lazy and could give to shits.

I agree with most of what you said but you obviously are forgetting how economics works. When there is demand for a given product it will be bought from somewhere. If GM went under Ford probably would've picked up a lot of customers who were wanting to buy domestic. The whole regulation thing is an entirely different subject. Now all we've got to show for the bailout is GM moving a good chunk of its manufacturing over seas and no idea when the money will be paid back. I'm a firm believer in capitalism, adapt to your changing market or perish. Period.

adapt to your changing market or perish. Period.

IBM is an excellent example

long as they pay the money back, who cares.

:lol: you think the taxpayers are getting their money back... cute.

What's really bullshit was the bank bailout... what a scam that was.

Yes, and that was from all the banks pushing variable rate loans. Alot of them were getting bonuses if they closed the deal on a variable loan. Alot of people were tricked into it also. Me and my wife went to get our house loan and I had specifically told the loan officer, numerous times, that we wanted a fixed rate. The loan officer called and said for us to come sign the papers and it was a done deal. Well we get there and had already signed some papers and then the loan type paper comes up and says variable. She said it would take a few more days to straighten out. I told her not to worry about it I was taking my business elsewhere. Alot of people could not afford their house payments because their payments went up 400 bucks a month. Then alot of people got laid off, yes even people that worked for GM, after these corps. sold their soul to china, mexico, canada,etc.
You know I want to vote for someone who will do away with the free trade agreement, or at least raise tariffs so high that these corps. will move their factories back to America. But there is no one who has said anything about it. These dumbasses still have'nt figured it out. If you don't have any jobs and more people are taking out of the system, than the people putting in, you fail period. Let's tell them to WTFU! wake the fuck up!

thumbs down this bitch

Well, yeah, of course...because many years ago a lot of otherwise fine, loyal American consumers said (and did) something like this:

Back in the extremely prosperous post war '50s and '60s nearly EVERYONE drove domestic nameplate vehicles and wouldn't even fathom the idea of buying a Toyota and guess what?
EVERYBODY (that chose to work) also had a decent paying job too, 'welfare' and 'unemployment benefits' were very seldom used terms.
Coincidence?:huh:




Bowling Green Kentucky, United States of America.

Anytime somebody buys something solely based on where it is built, they succeed only in helping make sure that business will eventually have problems. If a company that makes an inferior product has its sales bolstered by people who are going to buy it no matter what, that company loses touch with what the rest of the consumers want, and it leads us down a road that leads to where we are right now. If GM had done this restructuring twenty years ago, they would be in much better shape. But people were buying shitty cars like the Berreta and Sunbird (among others), so I'm sure GM thought they were doing great. And then people finally get tired of sub-mediocre products, and the mass exodus begins. Which is what happened when GM lost all that market share ten to fifteen years ago.

Bowling Green Kentucky, United States of America.

You got you some American muscle huh? You need to look a little farther, like where all of the parts were made. Hell, I bet 70% of that corvette is made across one border or the other. Hint, Delphi is in Mexico now. But you know one thing though, the labor price may be a quarter of what it was in America, but you did'nt get a three quarters discount when you bought that car. Did you? But G.M. corporate, the same company that we bailed out, is making mega profits. Did you see the price on anything go down, when it did'nt cost these U.S. manufacturers' half or less to what it used to, to build something? WAKE UP! This is exactly what I'm talking about!

You got you some American muscle huh? You need to look a little farther, like where all of the parts were made. Hell, I bet 70% of that corvette is made across one border or the other. Hint, Delphi is in Mexico now. But you know one thing though, the labor price may be a quarter of what it was in America, but you did'nt get a three quarters discount when you bought that car. Did you? But G.M. corporate, the same company that we bailed out, is making mega profits. Did you see the price on anything go down, when it did'nt cost these U.S. manufacturers' half or less to what it used to, to build something? WAKE UP! This is exactly what I'm talking about!


Truth

note: I didn't watch the video

Any ad that bashes annoys the crap out of me. Tell me why I should get YOUR product (or in the case of politics, why I should vote for you), do not just tell me why the other company or other guy sucks. That is crap marketing, IMO.

I don't mind a comparison, i.e. "Ours does this, while the competition's comparable model only does this" (such as GM's ad comparing MPG of the Malibu to the Camry). That's fine. Just don't base your entire ad on why the other guy sucks.

My little rant and two cents.

Ford has no right to bash anyone. Here we have a country with a huge unemployment crisis. 55.3% of all 19-29y/o are unemployed and they just finished up two new plants in India. They're greed is overwhelming. They paid out over $100million in bonuses to only two men. On top of the huge bonuses they paid to their salaried personel. Still they support a two-tier pay system for their workers that saves them less than $5mil a year and they try to say they can't afford to pay the workers fair.

If Ford had any decency or respect for America they'd start closing down plants over boarders and bringing them home. Instead they profit billions and spend it in other countries. To get cheap labor for low quality parts.

You wouldn't believe how much shit we get for the Escapes that comes from other countries that has no quality... Made all over the world assembled in America... Sometimes.

Oh really? Its the United states of America. The day Ford can't bash anyone or I can't buy my favorite car from Nissan is the day America stops being America. It goes the same for building plants all over the world how do you expect a car company to stay big if they only stay stateside?
Too many people here are buying too heavily into the "buy American" and don't see the big picture. When you have domestic union workers that costs 10 times more to employ that labor workers in other countries many of these companies are willing to make that compromise.

So I will be happy buying whatever next car that comes that interests me. Doesn't matter if its America, German, Japanese or whatever. :burn:

You highlight something in my comment and then rant about something else... FAIL :gruffy:

Actually he talked about what he highlighted, and the rest of your post. No fail.

FORD...Come on already. Commercial is completely miss-leading. Typical, smoke & mirrors lie. FORD sat in front of Congress & took money...period. I don't care what term Ford uses to identify the money they received.

@ a local car show, overheard a couple of guys congratulating each other about being Ford owners & how proud they were cuz' "Ferd never gots bailed out" kyuck', kyuck', kyuck. "Now where'd Jethrow hide that new still?"

Just more of the "NASCAR Nation" dumb a$$es taking it up the A$$. F'ck large Corporations & the Congress that continues to F'ck the people they are elected to take care of.

Actually he talked about what he highlighted, and the rest of your post. No fail.

Who the fuck are you? His boyfriend here to his rescue? He didn't and he failed just like you failed to be his prince coming to his rescue.

Who the fuck are you? His boyfriend here to his rescue? He didn't and he failed just like you failed to be his prince coming to his rescue.

Grow up. If you actually read my post you would know that I focused on what I highlighted out of your post as well as addressed the other points in your post. Read it again and get back to me, thank you.

Who the fuck are you? His boyfriend here to his rescue? He didn't and he failed just like you failed to be his prince coming to his rescue.

:lol: U mad brah?

Somebody should have explained the Marshall Plan to that guy. As I recall we had to bail out all of Western Europe and Japan after WWII. Of course that don't mean anything to the average ignorant American as reflected in our test scores and buying habits.

BTW, anybody ever check the handouts given to the transplants? Again US taxpayers helping assist foreign competition run the domestics out of business.

:usa:

Uh... What? :confused:

I have spoken to Ford about the miss-leading add. They claim that the add has been pulled & that the statements were made by an independent owner, not Ford.

Basically, this the legal way of lying without being liable, "Ford is not liable for the miss-leading statements."

Yah Ford , well that doesn't change the fact the idiots of the world, 80% of the American public, assumes that Ford didn't partake in Government funding. Ford knows exactly what they were doing & have accomplished their bulls!t goal.

I have spoken to Ford about the miss-leading add. They claim that the add has been pulled & that the statements were made by an independent owner, not Ford.

Basically, this the legal way of lying without being liable, "Ford is not liable for the miss-leading statements."

Yah Ford , well that doesn't change the fact the idiots of the world, 80% of the American public, assumes that Ford didn't partake in Government funding. Ford knows exactly what they were doing & have accomplished their bulls!t goal.

You're really bothered by this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e7KBxzmz9M&feature=player_embedded
Isn't it called a loan when you borrow money against your assets?

You're really bothered by this.

Isn't it called a loan when you borrow money against your assets?


I'm bothered by large American Corporations & Congress. The add is total bullsh!t & was meant to be so...period!

http://www.sheenhumor.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/107__420x340_why-you-mad-allergic-to-winning.jpg

note: I didn't watch the video

Any ad that bashes annoys the crap out of me. Tell me why I should get YOUR product (or in the case of politics, why I should vote for you), do not just tell me why the other company or other guy sucks. That is crap marketing, IMO.

I don't mind a comparison, i.e. "Ours does this, while the competition's comparable model only does this" (such as GM's ad comparing MPG of the Malibu to the Camry). That's fine. Just don't base your entire ad on why the other guy sucks.

My little rant and two cents.

Preach it man!!!:werd:


I think Ford has been ignoring the elephant in the room here. If we hadn't bailed out GM and Chrysler, all of the suppliers would've gone bankrupt too. Work would've ground to a halt at GM and Chrysler while the courts figured out a huge fucking mess for months. Ford uses all the same suppliers, so the suppliers wouldn't have any work or two of their customers paying them, so they would've all ended up in bankruptcy court. Ford wouldn't have been able to build cars or have any cash flow, they would've wound up in bankruptcy court as well.

Didn't Ford support the bailout? I'm pretty sure they did not want GM or Chrysler to go under.

Just don't base your entire ad on why the other guy sucks.

Kinda like that horrible ad in which Howie Long made fun of Ford for having a tailgate step? No wonder GM went bankrupt, they were bashing Ford's "man step" which is actually functional. You know you suck when that's the best criticism and commercial you can come up with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGI8IRXRqpo

If we hadn't bailed out GM and Chrysler, all of the suppliers would've gone bankrupt too.

Bull, that's what big government liberals want you to believe. Maybe some would have gone bankrupt; too bad for them. There would still be Ford and all of the Japanese automakers with a demand for car parts, and if there is a demand, there will be a supply for it.

If a company can't stand on it's own, let them fail. That's what free market capitalism is all about. When government starts picking winners and losers, well...actually they only pick losers. They pick losers and subsidize their failure with our money. It's hard to believe Americans so readily accepted the nationalization of private companies and banks.

It's always amusing to see rabid GM fanboys drum up any excuse they can find to throw the public attention off the fact that their company of choice had to use tax payers' money to stay afloat. What's done is done. All 3 companies are starting to get into fine form, something you all should be more concerned with.

Get over it already. This ad ran for so short a time that I never even heard of it. The big 3 have engaged in mud slinging ad campaigns for years. The tooth fairy isn't real.....hasn't been since you were about 5 years old. No sense in getting mad about it now.

How dare Ford run a bashing ad against GM!


GM would never make a ad bashing Ford :eyes:

Bull, that's what big government liberals want you to believe. Maybe some would have gone bankrupt; too bad for them. There would still be Ford and all of the Japanese automakers with a demand for car parts, and if there is a demand, there will be a supply for it.

If a company can't stand on it's own, let them fail. That's what free market capitalism is all about. When government starts picking winners and losers, well...actually they only pick losers. They pick losers and subsidize their failure with our money. It's hard to believe Americans so readily accepted the nationalization of private companies and banks.Possibly...or maybe that's just what small government conservatives want you to believe. ;)

That's kinda the literal definition. I think it's terrible how dependent so many companies and people are on one corporation. That was a mistake in itself.

For the guy in the 2nd or 3rd post. Ford didn't take bailout money. They were allowed a loan and didn't take it.

They definitely took several large loans over the past few years from a couple different government agencies.

I don't really care, I just laugh at people who will only buy Fords now because they think they didn't take money.

I laugh at anybody who "only" buys one brand.