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bottlefed01z28
10-03-2011, 11:17 AM
looks like i need a cage for my car, so i need an idea of how most people run their door bars. i would like to see all different types like straight, low slung, swing out (although im not really leaning that way). and any other ideas. i have looked at the stickeys and searched but im not seeing just the door bar setup


SS MPSTR
10-03-2011, 07:04 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/SSMPSTR/1997%20Z28/passengerbar.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/SSMPSTR/1997%20Z28/driverbar.jpg

buzz12586
10-04-2011, 09:09 AM
http://www.1slolt1.com/CarBuild/CarBuild0034.jpg


WheelsUp84z
10-04-2011, 12:17 PM
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u12/aschutsky/Pewter%20Formula%20WS6/99PewterForumla009.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u12/aschutsky/Pewter%20Formula%20WS6/99PewterForumla014.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u12/aschutsky/Pewter%20Formula%20WS6/99PewterForumla015.jpg

6techniques
10-04-2011, 08:40 PM
hey can you guys who have posted pics share where or who made your cage?

Duffster
10-04-2011, 11:22 PM
I like WheelsUp84Zs security... take the shifter out and the car won't go anywhere :)

lemons12
10-04-2011, 11:26 PM
Lol at security.

In for pics.. Any weekend warrior geared setups? I drive my car around 4 days a week.

buzz12586
10-05-2011, 06:09 AM
Mine was done by NRC Motorsports in Aiken, SC. Great guys to deal with.

bottlefed01z28
10-05-2011, 09:52 AM
Anybody with low slung?

223HAWK
10-05-2011, 10:09 AM
Mine are a little lower ill post pics later

SS MPSTR
10-05-2011, 06:35 PM
Adrian at CMS.

ls1curt
10-05-2011, 06:47 PM
mine are low slung.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r136/boostedstang/IMG_0781.jpg

createnit
10-05-2011, 06:51 PM
buzz12586 I noticed you are really safe. You got the cage, window net, harness, everything gutted, AND AN AIR BAG lol You could probably save a few more pounds if you went with a Grant wheel or something. Safety first I guess! Haha just giving you a hard time...

6techniques
10-05-2011, 07:36 PM
Curt do you have any more pics of your interior? Looks really clean, I like it!

223HAWK
10-05-2011, 08:01 PM
Wolf Bolt In..Wish I had more pics...its pretty clean IMO..


http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae114/JDMyers88/The%20Firehawk/20110428_27.jpg

http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae114/JDMyers88/The%20Firehawk/20110428_26.jpg

Ill get some good ones sometime lol

camar0corey
10-05-2011, 08:40 PM
I need to get some better pictures, but I have low slung and I daily drive my car. I find it easy to get in and out.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/camar0corey/94%20Z28/1011101847.jpg
Maybe I'll snag more pictures tomorrow.

lemons12
10-05-2011, 10:49 PM
Those seats are bad ass! What do they run?

bottlefed01z28
10-06-2011, 03:52 PM
Wow that's a big difference between straight and low slung bars. I don't daily the car so I'm just for more of a comfort thing. Is there any strength issues with low slung vs straight bars or am I just overthinkng this?

DrkPhx
10-06-2011, 08:52 PM
I have the Wolfe 5-pt CM with the low slung bar and swing out. The low slung makes it easier to get in and out and the swing out let's me remove it for street driving.

camar0corey
10-12-2011, 12:55 PM
Those seats are bad ass! What do they run?

Hmm they are Corbeau CR1s, not sure what they normally cost. I got them used from a guy with a fox body. I paid $500 or $600? Its been so long I've forgotten. Sold the fox body seat brackets for $100, then the Camaro brackets were close to $200 if I remember correctly. The harnesses were the large cost I think $330 shipped for the pair, I'm running Schroth 4 pt. harnesses.

Here is more pictures of my low slung doors and seats.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/camar0corey/94%20Z28/IMG_20111012_131024.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/camar0corey/94%20Z28/IMG_20111012_131129.jpg

A bit tight of a fit on the passenger side.:lol:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b41/camar0corey/94%20Z28/IMG_20111012_131147.jpg

lemons12
10-12-2011, 02:38 PM
Well those are absolutely sexy!! I think I might of found my new seats! :D:D

I take it they are real suede and leather?

How comfortable are they? How adjustable? I street drive my car a lot.

camar0corey
10-12-2011, 03:51 PM
Microsuede and yep now that I looked them up, the high wear patches are real leather. Good to know, guess I better start using something on the high wear patches then.:lol: I assumed they were leatherette like their cloth seats and thus would need no maintenance.

They are comfortable, they keep a good grip on you also. They recline back, but the bottoms have no adjustment. I drive the car non-stop FL to PA at least once a year, I drive straight through.

Info from their website. (http://corbeau.com/products/reclining_seats/cr1/)

Beaflag VonRathburg
10-14-2011, 09:29 PM
My car is going to be on this path as well. My main concerns are drivability as well. I like resting my left arm on the door panel and having a large bar there will be a huge issue. 223Hawk, how tall are you and how far back / forward do you keep your seat? Your setup looks like it would work for what I'm looking for.

223HAWK
10-16-2011, 10:05 AM
My car is going to be on this path as well. My main concerns are drivability as well. I like resting my left arm on the door panel and having a large bar there will be a huge issue. 223Hawk, how tall are you and how far back / forward do you keep your seat? Your setup looks like it would work for what I'm looking for.

Im about 6 foot and I like the seat leaned back..I really dont notice the cage once Im driving around.

http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae114/JDMyers88/The%20Firehawk/008.jpg

Beaflag VonRathburg
10-16-2011, 04:13 PM
I'm 5' 8'', but I can't reach the pedals worth a shit. I have the seat in my Formula pretty far forward. Maybe, I just need to play with the power adjustment points, but I've always had issues with seeing over the hood and reaching the pedals.

camar0corey
10-16-2011, 08:38 PM
I sit up pretty far, with the low slung bars I could rest my elbow on the armrest, except I keep my elbows kinda close in when driving, so I actually rest my elbow on the down bar.

I don't know, I'm 5'11" but with where the seat is in the pictures I can fully depress the clutch petal and have only a slight bend in my knee, I don't know how I could ever have the seat further back.:lol:

Beaflag you could do it the way Doc has Smoke done up at EFI Alchemy, the down bars in that car actually go through the armrests or something like that, it seems like it leaves the interior open. Don't know if you've ever stopped by there and looked at that car or not. Arm rests still looked functional, I guess the downside is if you wanted it to look good you'd have to do something about the section missing out of the bottom of the arm rest.

BrianSF-GA
10-17-2011, 08:28 AM
Im about 6 foot and I like the seat leaned back..I really dont notice the cage once Im driving around.

http://i963.photobucket.com/albums/ae114/JDMyers88/The%20Firehawk/008.jpg

This is the setup I am planning for next year, although, I am not sure I am going with the swing-out bar. Is the swing-out worth the money? "223HAWK" .... did you go mild steel or chromoly? That is what I cannot decide. My rear suspension is mild steel (LCA's, T/A, PHBR & Drag Bar) and, obviously, I went with the heavier rear (S60) all for budget reasons. I sure hope I am not making a mistake in the weight department. "They" have always said that every 100 lbs. equals .10 second in the 1/4-mile.

223HAWK
10-17-2011, 07:58 PM
I bought it used for a great deal, and its Mild Steel. I really wanted the swing outs but I rarely use them lol..The only time I do is when I open the door for my g/f, and I get the swing out too..I just climb over it lol. I thought Id use it more, if I were to do it again and order another for a "street car" I wouldnt get um. I drive this car almost every weekend and a few times to lunch during the week.

BrianSF-GA
10-18-2011, 07:41 AM
I bought it used for a great deal, and its Mild Steel. I really wanted the swing outs but I rarely use them lol..The only time I do is when I open the door for my g/f, and I get the swing out too..I just climb over it lol. I thought Id use it more, if I were to do it again and order another for a "street car" I wouldnt get um. I drive this car almost every weekend and a few times to lunch during the week.

Those are exactly my thoughts about the swing outs .... the car is low and I always get in butt first anyway and can climb over a low slung bar. My wife doesn't care to ride in the car too often (it shakes too much at idle ... lol) and I too take it to work (5 miles) once or twice a week in good weather and nice weekends when we aren't riding. I am hoping to find a good deal on a used one, but no luck yet. If used prices are close to new (I try not to go much over 50% of new prices), then I usually end up buying new, i.e. my Spohn suspension and S60.

WheelsUp84z
10-19-2011, 02:18 AM
IF you dont get swing outs, at least get low slung bars. I'm kinda tall at 6'3", and climbing in and out is a PITA with regular door bars. And if the jerk next to you hugs the line in the parking lot, its even more of a pain trying to get in and out when you can barely open the door. Summer time is no big deal i usually leave the tops off and just hop in.

BrianSF-GA
10-19-2011, 07:53 AM
IF you dont get swing outs, at least get low slung bars. I'm kinda tall at 6'3", and climbing in and out is a PITA with regular door bars. And if the jerk next to you hugs the line in the parking lot, its even more of a pain trying to get in and out when you can barely open the door. Summer time is no big deal i usually leave the tops off and just hop in.

...very good points, although, I generally don't drive my car to the store and I intend to get low slung bars anyway. If I go new, it will be a Wolfe bolt-in and will have the hoop's crossbar welded to meet NHRA requirements.

norcal18
11-28-2011, 12:14 AM
I have Stenod's 6 point with low slung door bars. I just got it installed last weekend so it still needs paint. http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/buddhafied2/IMG_0008.jpg

deerslayinrednek
11-29-2011, 01:33 PM
I thought I read somewhere that low-slung bars were not NHRA legal.......Any truth to this?

BrianSF-GA
11-29-2011, 01:59 PM
I thought I read somewhere that low-slung bars were not NHRA legal.......Any truth to this?

Based on everything I have read and understand, I am anticipating a 6-point (only 5-point required) roll bar w/low-slung bars to be "good" down to 10.00 ... I have seen nothing to the contrary other than the rear cross brace must be welded to the hoop .... of course at 9.99, everything changes including going to an 8-point roll cage. I don't believe the low-slung bars are legal for a 9.99 or quicker certification.

Please chime in if I am missing something here.

speedtigger
11-29-2011, 02:04 PM
I thought I read somewhere that low-slung bars were not NHRA legal.......Any truth to this?

The bars height must be between the drivers elbow and shoulder in height.

BrianSF-GA
11-29-2011, 02:50 PM
The bars height must be between the drivers elbow and shoulder in height.

As of '09 the rulebook reads:

All roll bars must be within 6 inches of the rear, or side, of the driverís head, extend in height at least 3 inches above the driverís helmet with driver in normal driving position or be within 1 inch of the roof/headliner in the area above the driver's helmet, and be at least as wide as the driver's shoulders or within 1 inch of the driver's door. Roll bar must be adequately supported or crossbraced to prevent forward or lateral collapse. Rear braces must be
of the same diameter and wall thickness as the roll bar and intersect with the roll bar at a point not more than 5 inches from the top of the roll bar. Crossbar and rear braces must be welded to main hoop. Sidebar must be included on driverís side and must pass the driver at a point midway between the shoulder and elbow. Swing-out sidebar permitted. All roll bars must have in their construction a cross bar for seat bracing and as the shoulder harness attachment point; cross bar must be installed no more than 4 inches below, and not above, the driverís shoulders or to side bar. All vehicles with OEM frame must have roll bar welded or bolted to frame; installation of frame connectors on unibody cars does not constitute a frame; therefore it is not necessary to have the roll bar attached to the frame. Unibody cars with stock floor and firewall (wheeltubs permitted) may attach roll bar with 6-inch x 6-inch x. 125-inch steel plates on top and bottom of floor bolted together with at least four 3/8-inch bolts and nuts, or weld main hoop to rocker sill area with .125-inch reinforcing plates, with plates welded completely. All 4130 chromoly tube welding must be done by approved TIG heliarc process; mild steel welding must be done by approved MIG wire feed or approved TIG heliarc process. Welding must be free of slag and porosity. Any grinding of welds prohibited. See illustration. Roll bar must be padded anywhere driverís helmet may contact it while in driving position. Adequate padding must have minimum 1/4-inch compression or meet SFI Spec 45.1.

Hmmmm ... so are these low slung Wolfe roll bars not passing tech for 11.49-10.00??

Anyone been black flagged for this?

Are the straight style side bars mandatory for the driver side?

speedtigger
11-29-2011, 02:54 PM
Sidebar must be included on driverís side and must pass the driver at a point midway between the shoulder and elbow.

Hmmmm ... so are these low slung Wolfe roll bars not passing tech for 11.49-10.00??

Anyone been black flagged for this?

Are the straight style side bars mandatory for the driver side?

Thank you for finding that the quote with the exact wording.

Also, be cautious of thinking that one guy is getting away with is good enough. Nothing would suck worse that welding in or paying someone to weld in a cage and then failing tech at an event and being sent home unable to race.

BrianSF-GA
11-29-2011, 03:14 PM
Thank you for finding that the quote with the exact wording.

Also, be cautious of thinking that one guy is getting away with is good enough. Nothing would suck worse that welding in or paying someone to weld in a cage and then failing tech at an event and being sent home unable to race.

You couldn't be more correct.

I will have to research more before I actually purchase, but I anticipated going with a Wolfe bolt-in (welded cross brace) and low slung bars until now!

I found this on a website advertising Wolfe roll bars, but there is no telling how old the ad is.

"DESIGNED TO BE A COMPLETELY BOLT-IN 6 POINT ROLL BAR, WITH MINIMAL INTERFERENCE OF ENTRY AND EXIT OF VEHICLE. MAIN HOOP FITS TIGHTLY TO BODY PANELING FOR MINIMAL INTERIOR LOSS. DOOR BARS ARE IN OUR LOW SLUNG (STILL LEGAL) DESIGN FOR A MORE UNRESTRICTED ACCESS TO SEAT. REAR BARS FOLLOW THE ROOF CLOSELY AND TURN OUT BEHIND REAR SEAT AND BOLT TO THE WHEEL WELL BEHIND THE REAR SEAT BELT ATTACHMENT. WHICH PREVENTS COMPLETE LOSS OF AVAILABLE REAR SPACE. FRONT BARS AND REAR BARS ATTACH TO MAIN HOOP ON MACHINED SLEEVES FOR A PRECISE FIT AND CLEAN SIMPLE LOOK. AVAILABLE POWDER COATED BLACK OR UN-COATED SO YOU CAN COLOR MATCH TO YOUR INTERIOR. INSTALLATION ONLY TAKES A FEW HOUR WITH SIMPLE HAND TOOLS AND A DRILL".

Wolfe's actual website says their bolt-in f-body roll bars are legal, but, they do not make the distinction which side bars (low slung or straight style) are legal.

speedtigger
11-29-2011, 03:16 PM
It is my understanding that bolt in cages are not legal.

BrianSF-GA
11-29-2011, 03:28 PM
It is my understanding that bolt in cages are not legal.

from my excerpt above ...

" .... Crossbar and rear braces must be welded to main hoop. ..... All vehicles with OEM frame must have roll bar welded or bolted to frame; installation of frame connectors on unibody cars does not constitute a frame; therefore it is not necessary to have the roll bar attached to the frame. Unibody cars with stock floor and firewall (wheeltubs permitted) may attach roll bar with 6-inch x 6-inch x. 125-inch steel plates on top and bottom of floor bolted together with at least four 3/8-inch bolts and nuts ...."

... at least down to 10.00/6.40.

Wolfe has an option to weld the crossbar to the main hoop on their bolt-in roll bar, but, I see no option to weld the rear braces to the main hoop. I am not even sure the roll bar can be placed into the car with the rear braces welded to the main hoop first.

speedtigger
11-29-2011, 03:37 PM
Very cool for the unibody guys. I was hoping they would allow me to weld a cage to the body without cutting a hole through to the frame on my car. Reading that sounds like that is a no go.

BrianSF-GA
11-29-2011, 03:44 PM
Very cool for the unibody guys. I was hoping they would allow me to weld a cage to the body without cutting a hole through to the frame on my car. Reading that sounds like that is a no go.

I am thinking you have read the rule accurately and I agree .... that is a no go!

TurboStangJON
12-11-2011, 04:41 PM
Here's my 10Pt! The bars are low slung so I can get in and out easy once I add a funny car cage.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n527/turbostangjon/2001%20Camaro%20SS/th_IMG_6348.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/albums/n527/turbostangjon/2001%20Camaro%20SS/?action=view&current=IMG_6348.jpg)

JBM
12-11-2011, 05:49 PM
http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x467/JonZBM/phot.jpg

Firehawk441
12-11-2011, 06:18 PM
Here's my 10Pt! The bars are low slung so I can get in and out easy once I add a funny car cage.

http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n527/turbostangjon/2001%20Camaro%20SS/th_IMG_6348.jpg (http://s1138.photobucket.com/albums/n527/turbostangjon/2001%20Camaro%20SS/?action=view&current=IMG_6348.jpg)

You have a chassis cert with those side bars?

Doug G
12-11-2011, 06:28 PM
Uni-body can bolt in with a top and bottom plate,4-3/8"bolts per point min.,door bars can be swing-out and crossing between elbow and shoulder, cross bar welded to main hoop....all as stated above.

Full frame cars need welded to frame (or frame stands) also as stated above.

You might get away without one once or twice though ;)

TurboStangJON
12-11-2011, 06:44 PM
You have a chassis cert with those side bars?

Not yet, why?

flyinZ
12-11-2011, 06:57 PM
Guys with swing-outs, what do you use to hold the swing-outs in place? Some kind of pin or bolt or??

Doug G
12-11-2011, 08:09 PM
bolt at bottom and kleco<sp> (push button pin)

like these....

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/small/mor-90380_w_s.jpg

flyinZ
12-11-2011, 08:38 PM
Doug, thats what Im using on my 8-point CE cage. I was just wondering if using those and a Grade 8 bolt, would be NHRA legal or not.

studderin
12-11-2011, 08:45 PM
wolfe weld in, lows.
I had a bolt it and loved it with stock seats still. I like them better the swing outs. zfriends cars with them the T pin gets in the way. After a few times getting over a door bar is easy, if your not fat.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y11/studderin/IMG_3271.jpg

Firehawk441
12-11-2011, 09:06 PM
Not yet, why?

Because you mentioned adding a funny car cage to it which makes me assume you're planning a 25.x upgrade. The added time and expense for the conversion on what looks to me like an illegal side bar would suck. Verify what you have will certify before going through with your add-ons.

TurboStangJON
12-11-2011, 09:36 PM
Because you mentioned adding a funny car cage to it which makes me assume you're planning a 25.x upgrade. The added time and expense for the conversion on what looks to me like an illegal side bar would suck. Verify what you have will certify before going through with your add-ons.

I didn't install the cage TRZ did the work. It was built with the intent of upgrading to a 25.3 in the near future. It has the start of the funny car cage behind me along with all the other stuff that's hard to upgrade. I'm waiting on another car to get done so the tech from NHRA can come down and certify mine an a couple of other cars. Hopefully it certs lol.

Firehawk441
12-11-2011, 10:10 PM
TRZ is a good shop. I hope it works out for you.

Fb0dy0nly
12-19-2011, 09:53 AM
wolfe weld in, lows.
I had a bolt it and loved it with stock seats still. I like them better the swing outs. zfriends cars with them the T pin gets in the way. After a few times getting over a door bar is easy, if your not fat.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y11/studderin/IMG_3271.jpg

hey studderin, are you seats attached to the cage in any way or just bolted to the floor? Just curious cuz I kno most bolt them (kirkeys) to the cage but I dont see anything besides the harness in the back.

BrianSF-GA
12-19-2011, 10:39 AM
wolfe weld in, lows.
I had a bolt it and loved it with stock seats still. I like them better the swing outs. zfriends cars with them the T pin gets in the way. After a few times getting over a door bar is easy, if your not fat.


Have any NHRA techs given you any grief over this bar being below your elbows?

studderin
12-19-2011, 02:52 PM
no been fine. Its the wolf one, they sell lots of them.

i just made a seat back the other day posted some pics in my build thread

BrianSF-GA
12-19-2011, 03:08 PM
no been fine. Its the wolf one, they sell lots of them.

i just made a seat back the other day posted some pics in my build thread

That's good ... I was curious, because I am planning to do the Wolfe bolt-in next year with the low slung bars too, but I am not sure if the NHRA techs are ok with the bar not meeting mid way between the shoulder and the elbow as the rules say. I do know that Wolfe does say they are NHRA legal.

MidwestChassis
12-19-2011, 03:23 PM
Couple random customer pictures.
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/306/8pointcage2.jpg

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/3710/8pointcage.jpg

speedtigger
12-19-2011, 03:28 PM
http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/306/8pointcage2.jpg

I like how it is wide at the top by the shoulders and narrow at the bottom by the legs. Is it legal to have all those bends in that bar?

Beaflag VonRathburg
12-20-2011, 06:38 PM
I just had the worst 10 point in existance fabricated and installed in my car. I wish I would have bought a pre bent setup and had it welded in. It would have saved me a ton of money in the long run after having horrible work done to my car. Take two is probably going to be a wolfe or MWCP. I like the MWCP door bars.

autokraft
12-20-2011, 07:56 PM
I just had the worst 10 point in existance fabricated and installed in my car. I wish I would have bought a pre bent setup and had it welded in. It would have saved me a ton of money in the long run after having horrible work done to my car. Take two is probably going to be a wolfe or MWCP. I like the MWCP door bars.

Wow sorry to hear that, I'm not going to ask any details but there are alot of very good chassis shops out there that do great work. Unfortunately you had a bad experiance which sucks.

dkota1968
12-20-2011, 09:54 PM
This is a great thread and answered a lot of questions I had. I'm looking to get one within the next year. Nice setups

MidwestChassis
12-21-2011, 01:43 PM
I like how it is wide at the top by the shoulders and narrow at the bottom by the legs. Is it legal to have all those bends in that bar?

Yep you can have them, though I think the foam makes them look more drastic than they really are.

eurospec1
12-23-2011, 08:07 AM
I sit up pretty far, with the low slung bars I could rest my elbow on the armrest, except I keep my elbows kinda close in when driving, so I actually rest my elbow on the down bar.

I don't know, I'm 5'11" but with where the seat is in the pictures I can fully depress the clutch petal and have only a slight bend in my knee, I don't know how I could ever have the seat further back.:lol:

Beaflag you could do it the way Doc has Smoke done up at EFI Alchemy, the down bars in that car actually go through the armrests or something like that, it seems like it leaves the interior open. Don't know if you've ever stopped by there and looked at that car or not. Arm rests still looked functional, I guess the downside is if you wanted it to look good you'd have to do something about the section missing out of the bottom of the arm rest.

That wasn't intentional lol, the guy who installed the cage in that car welded the bars on the wrong sides, didn't know the error till the door panels were put back on after it was done

kmracer
12-25-2011, 07:10 PM
I just had the worst 10 point in existance fabricated and installed in my car. I wish I would have bought a pre bent setup and had it welded in. It would have saved me a ton of money in the long run after having horrible work done to my car. Take two is probably going to be a wolfe or MWCP. I like the MWCP door bars. dude you complain about everything. if you took your car to a shop that does hack work, thats your own fault. it seems like you're nothing but a sob story. everything happens for a reason, and bad things are usually preventable.

sorry, i dont mean to sound like a dick, but damn dude. get it together.

csjta2
12-25-2011, 08:03 PM
Mines

Wolfe Cage and Net

black and pink z28
12-25-2011, 08:20 PM
This was good to know more about cuz I'm going to cage my car soon

camar0corey
01-22-2012, 10:29 PM
That wasn't intentional lol, the guy who installed the cage in that car welded the bars on the wrong sides, didn't know the error till the door panels were put back on after it was done

Ah, cool thing to know! I always looked at it like why would they run it like this? My theory was room for the laptop? Makes sense now then, especially considering the rest of the car looks to be in show winning condition.

1320
01-23-2012, 10:55 PM
If you look, youll see the door bar attachment next to the hood release, so its not in the way of your feet getting in and out. The upper end is also at the rear edge of the door. The door bar barely swings in.

Other interesting......notes. The main hoop is inside the headliner. Its not a head ach rack like most roll bars. The a pillar bars (its a complate cage) are behind the oem a pillar plastic, and the cross bar at the windshield is also inside the head liner.. The roof rails go thru the modded area of the t tops. It actually has MORE head room then the oem car.

I dont know why the pics wont post...I keep getting an internal server error from ls1 tech. These pics are posted on ls1 tech though....Its zombiess car. I built the cage

ittwgn
01-24-2012, 03:23 AM
hi here,s how mine is in my wagon !!!same on what is my drivers side!!!! easy to get in and out!!!! cheers
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy59/ittwgn/DSCN0352.jpg