Street Racing & Kill Stories - My Bolton lt1 vs stock ls1?

I raced my friends stock, lid/catback ls1 from a dig and a 20 roll and both times I stayed with him. I actually pulled about a fender on the dig. Is this about right? They're both autos he has 3.23's and I do too. I have intake/cutout/longtubes/nitto 555 tires.

Ya it does, at the lower speeds up to about 90-100mph you would keep up and then the LS1 should pull on you. At higher roll speeds the LS1 should pull like from 40-50+mph. Thats my experience atleast having both LT1 and LS1 cars and racing them. Even with all the mods a stock and well maintained LS1 pulls higher numbers at the wheel. I had a bit more mods then you on my past LT1 cars and highest i ever dynoed on a dynapack or dynojet was 274 rwhp, stock LS1 cars are usually going to be higher then that even for an auto but not by a whole lot. Just depends some LS1's dyno better then others as ive seen the numbers all over the place. Good run OP

Thanks! Should I get a stall and 3.73s?

My old 97 WS6 did well for what it was from a dig with 555R's, full exhaust, 3.73's, and 3600 stall. Surprised quite a few bolt-on Ls1 drivers even

i pulled an ls1 camaro with the mods i have in my Trans Am from 60-120 by about a car so, its not unheard of...and definitely a stall. made a big difference in my car. not sure if you'll notice a huge difference from 3:23 to 3:73...

I would think the bolt on's would let you pull a stock ls1 car

A stall in an auto car will make 100x the difference a set of gears would. That should no doubt be your next mod. You should put some distance between you and him then.

Thanks guys!

Give the LS the same bolt ons and see what happens

Give the LS the same bolt ons and see what happensI hope your kidding lol

Jesus, the LS1 is already starting off with

Much better flowing heads
1.6rrs
Better flowing intake
Better flowing exhaust manifolds

Thats just to name a few. Giving the LS1 the same bolt-ons argument is played out. To an LT1, the LS1 is already starting off with bolt-ons.

Put a stock LT4 against a LS1. Bet the LT4 wins more times than not.

Jesus, the LS1 is already starting off with

Much better flowing heads
1.6rrs
Better flowing intake
Better flowing exhaust manifolds

Thats just to name a few. Giving the LS1 the same bolt-ons argument is played out. To an LT1, the LS1 is already starting off with bolt-ons.

Put a stock LT4 against a LS1. Bet the LT4 wins more times than not.

Thats a lauph. Now your comparing a motor with a big cam in it. How bout you compare the lt4 to an ls6 than lol. Still the ls1 is a FAR better motor than either the lt1 or lt4. My first car was a 93 z28 so I'm not biased. Just stating the facts.

I raced my friends stock, lid/catback ls1 from a dig and a 20 roll and both times I stayed with him. I actually pulled about a fender on the dig. Is this about right? They're both autos he has 3.23's and I do too. I have intake/cutout/longtubes/nitto 555 tires.

All LS1's don't run the same and you can account for driver error. Going from a dig anything can happen. I have owned both lt1/ls1 and I can assure you ls1 is a completely different animal. My car bone stock would have put 3 cars on your car in the 1/4 mile and than pulled away hard up top. My friends bolt-on lt1 wasn't even close to my stock ls1 and than my friends cam/bolt-on lt1 couldn't run with me when I had a lid and cutout. When I had my cam/bolt-on z28 I was getting pulled by almost stock ls1's. Takes alot to get an lt1 running like the ls1. I know from personal experience. Now I also had a friend with a 383/cammed/bolt-on lt1 that gave a good suprise to alot of ls1's!

IMO, modded lt1's are no joke, but with stock restrictive manifolds, a4's with 2.73's run like turds from what ive seen

Give the LS the same bolt ons and see what happens

Who gives a fuck? "What if" or "equal mod" discussions are retarded. The cars raced with what they had, we got a result, end of story. If the LS1 comes back with those mods, then it's fine to talk about it.

Jesus, the LS1 is already starting off with

Much better flowing heads
1.6rrs
Better flowing intake
Better flowing exhaust manifolds

Thats just to name a few. Giving the LS1 the same bolt-ons argument is played out. To an LT1, the LS1 is already starting off with bolt-ons.

Put a stock LT4 against a LS1. Bet the LT4 wins more times than not.

I bet not. ;)

Stock LS1 rockers are 1.7 btw, not 1.6.

Thats a lauph. Now your comparing a motor with a big cam in it. How bout you compare the lt4 to an ls6 than lol. Still the ls1 is a FAR better motor than either the lt1 or lt4. My first car was a 93 z28 so I'm not biased. Just stating the facts.

Spec on a LT4 cam with 1.6s : lift 476/479 dur 203/210

2001 LS6 cam
207/217 int/exh @ 0.05" duration 0.525" / 0.525" int/exh lift 116 LSA

2002+ LS6 cam
204/218 int/exh @ 0.05" duration 0.551" / 0.547" int/exh lift 117 LSA

Seems to be a good bit of difference.

Who gives a fuck? "What if" or "equal mod" discussions are retarded. The cars raced with what they had, we got a result, end of story. If the LS1 comes back with those mods, then it's fine to talk about it.



I bet not. ;)

Stock LS1 rockers are 1.7 btw, not 1.6.

I used to have an LT4 vette. I never ran up against a stock LS1 anything that out ran me at the track. I was running a consistant 13.0-13.15 @107-108. I am sure there are some stock LS1s that run better times but, like I said, more times than not.

LS1 > LT1 nuff said.

Give the LS the same bolt ons and see what happens

Everyone knows that an LS1 will beat an LT1 if the mods are even. Seems like youre upset that the LT1 stayed with the LS1...

Everyone knows that an LS1 will beat an LT1 if the mods are even. Seems like youre upset that the LT1 stayed with the LS1...

I am? My LT skull fucks LS cars regularly.

I am? My LT skull fucks LS cars regularly.

Not mod for mod they don't. or are you gonna argue that, too? btw, if you are going to use the LT4 bullshit arguement, then lets go to the big dog LS engine and put a LS7 up against it "stock for stock". Scared yet? How about just a little LS3? Too much for you still? Thought so.

Don't write checks with your mouth that your ass can't cash.

Damn are you guys butt hurt because a bolt on lt1 beat an ls1 from a stop, come on guys you are better than that.

LS1's are god!!! quit blaspheming!! no LT1 can ever beat an ls1!!! the lord has spoken!!!!

i've seen plenty of lt1 cars beat up on ls1 cars.

not sure if it's just this area or what, but the ls and lt cars around here, for the most part, run like shit.

i had a bolt-on ls1 car that would drag other (heavily modded) ls cars all day. granted, no si lt1 was within a football field, it wasn't uncommon to see a header gear lt1 car pace or pull a same mod ls1.

i won't argue that the cars around here either weren't driven or were tuned poorly haha. i had a full weight si lt1 m6 car that trapped 116, that really took peeps by surprise. with a 6lb powerdyne setup on it, no ic and very quiet.

Not mod for mod they don't. or are you gonna argue that, too? btw, if you are going to use the LT4 bullshit arguement, then lets go to the big dog LS engine and put a LS7 up against it "stock for stock". Scared yet? How about just a little LS3? Too much for you still? Thought so.

Don't write checks with your mouth that your ass can't cash.

Are you retarded?

Jerry's kid..they have telethon's for him...give him a break.

LS1's are god!!! quit blaspheming!! no LT1 can ever beat an ls1!!! the lord has spoken!!!!


And don't you forget it!

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jerry's kid..they have telethon's for him...give him a break.

lmfao

This !!!


And don't you forget it!

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LS1's are god!!! quit blaspheming!! no LT1 can ever beat an ls1!!! the lord has spoken!!!!

Sometimes when I lift my hood real quick I could swear I see Jesus. I'm not even kidding

LT1 are decent motors especially when they run 10s with tires, TC and built tranny, suspension, LT headers,supercharger, and supporting mods(http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/1011gmhtp_1995_pontiac_firebird_formula/index.html). But LS1 with same mods would do even better

LT1 are decent motors especially when they run 10s with tires, TC and built tranny, suspension, LT headers,supercharger, and supporting mods(http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/1011gmhtp_1995_pontiac_firebird_formula/index.html). But LS1 with same mods would do even better

Yea I just read the article. Somewhat impressive. He has full suspension, weight reductions a shit ton of bolt-ons, 4k stall, 9lbs of boost, bigs and lils, injectors and all fuel shit, 12 bolt, built tranny. ALOT of shit. If I had that much money in my car I would expect to run faster really.

Yea I just read the article. Somewhat impressive. He has full suspension, weight reductions a shit ton of bolt-ons, 4k stall, 9lbs of boost, bigs and lils, injectors and all fuel shit, 12 bolt, built tranny. ALOT of shit. If I had that much money in my car I would expect to run faster really.Its a stock internal engine....He went about perhaps the most expensive way to get into the 10.9xs....I bet he could have gone faster n/a in built stock cube engine then a stock shortblock with 9psi....and for cheaper...

People talk about mismatched builds all the time, and that takes the cake lol

Id take the LT4 over a stock LS1 in a F body race. I have seen stock LT4 C4s tap the 12s at Cecil many times long ago.

LT1s can run well. No need for hate.

Sometimes when I lift my hood real quick I could swear I see Jesus. I'm not even kidding

Sometimes, when I lift my hood on a hot summer day, I can see the virgin mary for just a brief moment on my manifold. Then she disappears with just three words whispered in the wind.

"Yes! No optispark"

:angel:

Id take the LT4 over a stock LS1 in a F body race. I have seen stock LT4 C4s tap the 12s at Cecil many times long ago.

LT1s can run well. No need for hate.

Cecil was the place where I ran a best 12.94@109 . Something about the air up there.

Sometimes, when I lift my hood on a hot summer day, I can see the virgin mary for just a brief moment on my manifold. Then she disappears with just three words whispered in the wind.

"Yes! No optispark"

:angel:

No shit? When we pulled my friends ls1 on the back of the block it had Jesus's signature on it.

With all the hate in here you would think the LT1 was built by ford or honda. I thought we were all on the same team here?

-Buddy-

Also I dont understand why people here get all hurt when older technology like the lt1 can keep up with new technology the ls1. The LT1 guys are just saying the same thing that the ls1 guys are starting to say to the new 5.0 mustang. So wtf?

-Buddy-

No shit? When we pulled my friends ls1 on the back of the block it had Jesus's signature on it.Mine had some hieroglyphics on it lol

With all the hate in here you would think the LT1 was built by ford or honda. I thought we were all on the same team here?

-Buddy- Even gen 1 small blocks get more love lol

No shit? When we pulled my friends ls1 on the back of the block it had Jesus's signature on it.

Did it look like this?

Jesus H. Christ

:lol:

Also I dont understand why people here get all hurt when older technology like the lt1 can keep up with new technology the ls1.

Relax, we're just having a little fun. This isn't 1998 anymore so the LS1 isn't new technology. It's just newer then the LT1. Of course an LT1 can keep up when it has the right mods. Just like an LS1 can keep up with an LS7 with the right mods (AKA enough nitrous, lol).

The LT1 guys are just saying the same thing that the ls1 guys are starting to say to the new 5.0 mustang. So wtf?

-Buddy-

But that's a Ford so it doesn't count. Cause we all know what Ford stands for:

Fix
Or
Repair
Daily

Found
On
Road
Dead

Fails
On
Race
Day

Or backwards

Driver
Returning
On
Foot

:jest:

Also I dont understand why people here get all hurt when older technology like the lt1 can keep up with new technology the ls1. The LT1 guys are just saying the same thing that the ls1 guys are starting to say to the new 5.0 mustang. So wtf?

-Buddy-

In stock form the LS1 puts out like 60rwhp more than the lt1. A few bolt-ons is simply not going to make it run with an LS. And alot of this is us just playing around man ;)

In stock form the LS1 puts out like 60rwhp more than the lt1. A few bolt-ons is simply not going to make it run with an LS. And alot of this is us just playing around man ;)
Poor old LT-juans always getting picked on. On a lighter note, thank God mine is gone! FREE AT LAST!

I liked my 93 z28 when I had it but I could tell a major difference in power between it and the ls1(in camaro and corvette form) and then an even bigger difference in power between the ls1 and ls3(corvette form)

In stock form the LS1 puts out like 60rwhp more than the lt1. A few bolt-ons is simply not going to make it run with an LS. And alot of this is us just playing around man ;)

60rwhp? I don't know if that applies to f-bodies but it sure as hell doesn't for vettes. An LT1 vette will dyno 268-278 stock. An LS1 vette will be from 298-308 on average.

SLP make a kit for LT1s back in the day. It consisted of 1.6rrs, a CAI and a cat back. The LT1 vette dynoed 305rwhp with this kit. So a few bolt-ons can do the job.

My LT1 with a baby cam used to drag LS cars mod for mod. They throw a donkey sick dyno cam in there with a narrow power band and get rapes by a lowly a LT1 with a baby cam that can put it to the ground and a driver who can drive. I did it over and over and over.

60rwhp? I don't know if that applies to f-bodies but it sure as hell doesn't for vettes. An LT1 vette will dyno 268-278 stock. An LS1 vette will be from 298-308 on average.

SLP make a kit for LT1s back in the day. It consisted of 1.6rrs, a CAI and a cat back. The LT1 vette dynoed 305rwhp with this kit. So a few bolt-ons can do the job.

It definately applies to f-bodies. The LT1 f-bodies dynoed 225-255 rwhp in most cases. LS1's fbodies were usually 285-315 rwhp. So apples to apples the LS1 was around 50-60 rwhp higher.

Cut up stock air box,1 5/8 tpi long tubes,2.5 inch x-pipe straight pipes, tb by pass tb blade, on mine and I go 13.05 @108 mph na with crappy 440 wear rated tires puts me in striking distance of a stock ls1

My LT1 with a baby cam used to drag LS cars mod for mod. They throw a donkey sick dyno cam in there with a narrow power band and get rapes by a lowly a LT1 with a baby cam that can put it to the ground and a driver who can drive. I did it over and over and over.

That's beating the driver though, not the car. But I'm not knocking it as I've been there and done that. I beat a C6 Z06 and 500+ HP pullied Cobra who out trapped me by 6-10 mph. But when they pull 2.3 60's to my 1.5's and you catch them sleeping on the tree...........

But like Vin Deisel says. "It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winnings, winning!"

Cut up stock air box,1 5/8 tpi long tubes,2.5 inch x-pipe straight pipes, tb by pass tb blade, on mine and I go 13.05 @108 mph na with crappy 440 wear rated tires puts me in striking distance of a stock ls1

Proof of this? Never heard of an lt1 running that close to 12's with bolt-ons. I'm not buying it. Negative 3000 d/a? I have owned a few lt1 f-body's and I know how they run. That doesn't add up at all.

Proof of this? Never heard of an lt1 running that close to 12's with bolt-ons. I'm not buying it. Negative 3000 d/a? I have owned a few lt1 f-body's and I know how they run. That doesn't add up at all.

You have got to be seriously high as fuck.

LT1s have ran deep into the 11s bolt ons only... High 12s is to be expected for bolt ons and good traction / driver. Mine went 8. 80 in the 1/8th BONE stock on stock tires...

If you think full bolt ons and slicks wont pick up at least a full second, you're high.

You have got to be seriously high as fuck.

LT1s have ran deep into the 11s bolt ons only... High 12s is to be expected for bolt ons and good traction / driver. Mine went 8. 80 in the 1/8th BONE stock on stock tires...

If you think full bolt ons and slicks wont pick up at least a full second, you're high.

I'm talking about HIS bolt-ons kemosabe. Yes of course a full bolt-on lt1 can run much better, but look at what he has done. About nothing.

Proof of this? Never heard of an lt1 running that close to 12's with bolt-ons. I'm not buying it. Negative 3000 d/a? I have owned a few lt1 f-body's and I know how they run. That doesn't add up at all.
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...and the turtle pulls out the victory!..slow and steady never lost a race...

...and the turtle pulls out the victory!..slow and steady never lost a race...

Lol, in a cartoon maybe. Slow at the track will lose most of the races :drive:

Cut up stock air box,1 5/8 tpi long tubes,2.5 inch x-pipe straight pipes, tb by pass tb blade, on mine and I go 13.05 @108 mph na with crappy 440 wear rated tires puts me in striking distance of a stock ls1

I said F-body. And what is the d/a?

I never claimed I drove a f-body just that my very basic bolt on lt1 is within striking distance of a stock ls1, and I have no clue what the da was or even is for that matter. When I here pepole talk about that stuff it gose over my head. sorry

I never claimed I drove a f-body just that my very basic bolt on lt1 is within striking distance of a stock ls1, and I have no clue what the da was or even is for that matter. When I here pepole talk about that stuff it gose over my head. sorry

Yea wich makes me beleive all your mod history lol. When did you buy the car?

I have had the car about 3 years now, first few times I went to the 1/4 it ran 13.8 13.9 @ 101&102. Every mod I listed is mods I did as well as a good tune up. I will say I have never pulled the vavle cover's and I can't vouch for the cars entire life. I'm prety sure it was a stock car. I have raced a few lt1 f-body's when I was stock and it was close but I could always edge them out. I also think you miss understood my da comment. This car is my toy when I go to the track I just go to have fun. I don't car about the da temp humidity or witch way the wind is blowing, too me when I here pepole say my car would go faster in this da altittude ect it's the same as I would have went faster with n20 turbo ect. I go to see what my street car can do and that's what it dose. Beside every other car I raced was in the same da I was and was affected the same as me. Pleas don't mistake this as me saying the lt1 is a better motor than a ls1. It's not the ls is a better motor and I have no problem saying that in fact if I had the extra cash I would be driving a c5 not a c4. I will say the lt1 is a great motor thow and I have no regret in buying this car, well mabe a little the opti dose suck.

I will say the lt1 is a great motor tho and I have no regret in buying this car, well mabe a little the opti dose suck. I 100% agree, I flog the shit out of my old ass lt1 and it never misses a beat. 140k~ when I got it and atleast 1 WOT first and second gear pull daily for almost 2 years and 20k miles sense I bought it.

In stock form the LS1 puts out like 60rwhp more than the lt1. A few bolt-ons is simply not going to make it run with an LS. And alot of this is us just playing around man ;)

lolwut.

Maybe a 50k miles LS1 M6 may dyno 60rwhp more then a 175k neglected stock auto LT1, but at least compare the same drivetrains :lol:.

It's more like 35-40 rwhp, and it responds better to mods as well.

It's surely an uphill battle for an LT1 to hang with a similar LS, but don't make it sound like its a B16 vs LS3. A mild bolt-on LT1 can EASILY beat a stock LS1.

lolwut.

Maybe a 50k miles LS1 M6 may dyno 60rwhp more then a 175k neglected stock auto LT1, but at least compare the same drivetrains :lol:.

It's more like 35-40 rwhp, and it responds better to mods as well.

It's surely an uphill battle for an LT1 to hang with a similar LS, but don't make it sound like its a B16 vs LS3. A mild bolt-on LT1 can EASILY beat a stock LS1.

No an LS1 easily puts 50 hp on an lt1. I have owned/ran both bone stock. With my 93 z28 I ran a best of 14.3@97 with k&n, 275 tires, and an ss hood on a 2.02 60ft. After than I did hot cam, small stall, and few bolt-ons and ran mid-low 13's. When I bought my LS BONE STOCK down to paper filter, and shitty 245 tires I ran a 13.5@103.5 on a 2.08 60ft. D/A was about 2500 both runs from lt1 to ls1. I've also raced my friends full bolt-on cammed 97 transam when I only had tune and a few bolt-ons and I would pull him a good amount. I have worked on many lt1 cars and I've seen what they run and I have raced many many lt1's. Shit 3 of my good friends have had lt1's for years and I used to be the one in the bolt-on lt1 car running stock ls1's getting pulled. Yes lt1's can keep up to about 50mhp and than the LS goes bye bye fast. A MILD BOLT-ON LT1 SHOULD NOT BEAT A STOCK LS1. SORRY THATS THE FACTS. Coming from someone who has owned both and is really not biased. Just putting it how it is. Even when I owned my LT1 I knew how it was. Me and my lt1 buddies were getting pulled by ls1's everywhere. Except everynow and than you would find a dumbass that couldn't drive and you would hang with them tell the top end

With my 93 z28 I ran a best of 14.3@97 with k&n, 275 tires, and an ss hood on a 2.02 60ft.

That's pretty slow unless it's a 2.73 auto car.

My full weight auto (3.23) LT1 vert weighed 3800 lbs with 1/6 of a tank at a transfer station (with me in it). Not sure how accurate that is but picture a full weight car + 150 lb me.

Has run a best of 13.78 @ 100 mph on a 2.03 60' with a +700 DA on 10 year old Continental tires, spinning while shifting. Mods are in sig. Still on stock manifolds and many year old opti. Spark plugs haven't been replaced in 8+ years.

Seen many LT1s when new run 13s stock. Seen many with stock cams runs high 12s n/a with bolt ons. They can run well.

No an LS1 easily puts 50 hp on an lt1. I have owned/ran both bone stock. With my 93 z28 I ran a best of 14.3@97 with k&n, 275 tires, and an ss hood on a 2.02 60ft. After than I did hot cam, small stall, and few bolt-ons and ran mid-low 13's. When I bought my LS BONE STOCK down to paper filter, and shitty 245 tires I ran a 13.5@103.5 on a 2.08 60ft. D/A was about 2500 both runs from lt1 to ls1. I've also raced my friends full bolt-on cammed 97 transam when I only had tune and a few bolt-ons and I would pull him a good amount. I have worked on many lt1 cars and I've seen what they run and I have raced many many lt1's. Shit 3 of my good friends have had lt1's for years and I used to be the one in the bolt-on lt1 car running stock ls1's getting pulled. Yes lt1's can keep up to about 50mhp and than the LS goes bye bye fast. A MILD BOLT-ON LT1 SHOULD NOT BEAT A STOCK LS1. SORRY THATS THE FACTS. Coming from someone who has owned both and is really not biased. Just putting it how it is. Even when I owned my LT1 I knew how it was. Me and my lt1 buddies were getting pulled by ls1's everywhere. Except everynow and than you would find a dumbass that couldn't drive and you would hang with them tell the top end

Looks like your personal bad experience with a lemon has clouded your judgement. FWIW my 93 auto ran 13.9 with stock with 140k on the clock, and I considered that average...if not on the slow side. Never ran it with "mild" bolt-ons, but it was more then half a second faster then your cammed LT1 with "most" bolt-ons.

Not sure what was going on there, but if I had a cammed LT1 run a mid 13 I would burn it right there at the end of the track. Nevermind a cammed/full bolt on LT get pulled by a mild bolt-on/tune LS1 :lol:.

Seen many LT1s when new run 13s stock. Seen many with stock cams runs high 12s n/a with bolt ons. They can run well.

That's pretty slow unless it's a 2.73 auto car.

My full weight auto (3.23) LT1 vert weighed 3800 lbs with 1/6 of a tank at a transfer station (with me in it). Not sure how accurate that is but picture a full weight car + 150 lb me.

Has run a best of 13.78 @ 100 mph on a 2.03 60' with a +700 DA on 10 year old Continental tires, spinning while shifting. Mods are in sig. Still on stock manifolds and many year old opti. Spark plugs haven't been replaced in 8+ years.

I guess LT1s just get slower every year while LS1 times stay the same.

Looks like your personal bad experience with a lemon has clouded your judgement. FWIW my 93 auto ran 13.9 with stock with 140k on the clock, and I considered that average...if not on the slow side. Never ran it with "mild" bolt-ons, but it was more then half a second faster then your cammed LT1 with "most" bolt-ons.

Not sure what was going on there, but if I had a cammed LT1 run a mid 13 I would burn it right there at the end of the track. Nevermind a cammed/full bolt on LT get pulled by a mild bolt-on/tune LS1 :lol:.





I guess LT1s just get slower every year while LS1 times stay the same.

Maybe lt1's around here are just shitty lol idk. My car has always ran very well. No one over here thinks it is bolt-on only. The d/a over is high though. Wich is why my lt1 ran 14.3. Im sure it would have ran .4 tenths faster at a track at sea level. Plus my LS runs very healthy. I'm sure if I would have ran it at sea level stock it would have been a very low 13 sec car. Guess it's hard for me to like a motor that quits running when you drive through a puddle of water :jest:. I had to replace opti's on that car 3 times and the 700r4 sucked nuts. Not to mention half the lt1's I see don't run right when it's really cold and shit. I spent half the time driving the car and half the time fixing it. Than I got the ls1 and I spend all my time driving the car or modding it :). Scene my friends go through the same shit with the damn lt1's and I'm just not a fan of them. They are ok motors. They are strong as long as you don't get any water on them. Shit my dads old 96 collectors edition vette never missed a beat, but that also had the lt1 with alot of the opti upgrades and shit. I would say the 95-97 LT1's arent horrible and stay away from the older ones. Not to mention the weak 2 bolt main. I'm happy with my 6 bolt main on my LS1 :)

Maybe lt1's around here are just shitty lol idk. My car has always ran very well. No one over here thinks it is bolt-on only. The d/a over is high though. Wich is why my lt1 ran 14.3. Im sure it would have ran .4 tenths faster at a track at sea level. Plus my LS runs very healthy. I'm sure if I would have ran it at sea level stock it would have been a very low 13 sec car. Guess it's hard for me to like a motor that quits running when you drive through a puddle of water :jest:. I had to replace opti's on that car 3 times and the 700r4 sucked nuts. Not to mention half the lt1's I see don't run right when it's really cold and shit. I spent half the time driving the car and half the time fixing it. Than I got the ls1 and I spend all my time driving the car or modding it :). Scene my friends go through the same shit with the damn lt1's and I'm just not a fan of them. They are ok motors. They are strong as long as you don't get any water on them. Shit my dads old 96 collectors edition vette never missed a beat, but that also had the lt1 with alot of the opti upgrades and shit. I would say the 95-97 LT1's arent horrible and stay away from the older ones. Not to mention the weak 2 bolt main. I'm happy with my 6 bolt main on my LS1 :)

Fair enough...50-50 driving:fixing ratio sounds about right :lol:.

One of the first things I did to my LT1 was drill the cap and run a vent line into the intake. It hadn't given me any problems, but I was always worried about it. Its a horrible design...I was very happy when MSD released their vented conversion cap, since it allowed the 92-94 guys to get a vented opti without needing a new cam dowel, timing cover, and opti for the conversion.

Driver error=LS1 owners excuse for a loss everytime.

Because they can't handle the truth.

Driver error=LS1 owners excuse for a loss everytime.

Because they can't handle the truth.

You couldn't beat an ls1 running on 7 cylinders :rotflmao: