View Full Version : Time for new Fog Lights


BS
10-06-2011, 03:53 PM
I recently went to change out one of my SilverStar fog light bulbs and found that the 880ST bulb had melted the housing.

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I want projector fog lights and I was looking at these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/99-06-YUKON-DENALI-XL-HALO-PROJECTOR-FOG-LIGHTS-SWITCH-/250902764178?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3APontiac&hash=item3a6af85a92

I've been told the Bonnevilles use the same fog lights as the Trans Ams and I was wondering if anyone had used these or something similar.

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TruBloodTransAm
10-06-2011, 04:41 PM
I was in the same position that you were in last year. This is my setup. Got brand new housings.

Buy this on ebay. Might find them cheaper than this listing. (http://outboundlink.me/ib.php?DR_id=14&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Febaymotors%2F98-02-PONTIAC-TRANSAM-FIREBIRD-STOCK-TYPE-FOG-LIGHTS-%2F120774046177%3Fpt%3DMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Acce ssories%26hash%3Ditem1c1eb1b1e1&ibref=ls1tech.com%2Fforums%2Fajax.php%3Fdo%3Dquick edit%26p%3D15477127)

(http://www.ddmtuning.com/Products/Apexcone-Raptor-HID-Kit)Then I bought this kit
Bulb Color: 6000K
Bulb Type: 880
Wattage: 35W

(non-sponsor link removed)

VIP1
10-06-2011, 08:30 PM
I wonder what the output of those aftermarket Denali projectors looks like? I know there is a description, but a picture would be better. Also what are their dimensions? What kind of bulb does it take? You'll have to contact the seller since I dind't see that info in their ad.

BS
10-07-2011, 12:29 AM
I was in the same position that you were in last year. This is my setup. Got brand new housings.

Buy this on ebay. Might find them cheaper than this listing. (http://outboundlink.me/ib.php?DR_id=14&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Febaymotors%2F98-02-PONTIAC-TRANSAM-FIREBIRD-STOCK-TYPE-FOG-LIGHTS-%2F120774046177%3Fpt%3DMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Acce ssories%26hash%3Ditem1c1eb1b1e1&ibref=ls1tech.com%2Fforums%2Fajax.php%3Fdo%3Dquick edit%26p%3D15477127)

(http://www.ddmtuning.com/Products/Apexcone-Raptor-HID-Kit)Then I bought this kit
Bulb Color: 6000K
Bulb Type: 880
Wattage: 35W

(non-sponsor link removed)

Thanks, but I'm looking for projectors with the halos.

BS
10-07-2011, 12:36 AM
I wonder what the output of those aftermarket Denali projectors looks like? I know there is a description, but a picture would be better. Also what are their dimensions? What kind of bulb does it take? You'll have to contact the seller since I dind't see that info in their ad.

I sent seller a couple questions concerning the dimesions and the bulb. Other sellers state they use the H3 bulbs. I also asked for the dimensions from another one selling the same thing.

And here's a link to another sellers pictures:

http://rambowtech.com/view_images_ebay.php?itemno=WJ30006409&tpl=rambowtech

VIP1
10-07-2011, 10:10 AM
And here's a link to another sellers pictures:
http://rambowtech.com/view_images_ebay.php?itemno=WJ30006409&tpl=rambowtech
In those pics, it looks like they are actually side-mounted to that housing which means that it they will fit the opening in the bumper, you may be able to mount them to the stock bracket if you cut off the mounting tabs on that aftermarket projector's housing.

Something like this (these are on my Formula):
This is the stock Formula fog light bracket bent to hold an aftermarket fog light. I've also seen the Trans Am bracket bent to fit an aftermarket fog light and its a little different. I think it might have some tabs to mount the side screws instead of having that metal bracket that came with the aftermarket fog lights I bought.
http://www.fadingarrow.com/images/foglights1_large.jpg
http://www.fadingarrow.com/FogLights.htm

However, when looking at the back, it looks like there may be a bit of a gap between the projector itself and that housing which means that water may sneak in there. You'll have to check it out if you get it and possibly seal it up if necessary.

http://rambowtech.com/images/rambowtech/products/WJ30006409-2.JPG

VIP1
10-07-2011, 10:40 AM
Here is another mounting option (using Hella 90mm projectors):
http://ls1tech.com/forums/attachments/stereo-electronics/185264d1246063673-ta-fog-light-upgrade-light-mount.jpg
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/stereo-electronics/1138700-ta-fog-light-upgrade.html
(you can modify the cut-off shield to be flat for fog light use if you want)

Here is the Trans Am bracket with aftermarket fog lights:
These are also Hella housings, but they are reflectors, not projectors.
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=12489&pictureid=34066
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/appearance-detailing/1184314-hella-fog-light-install-w-pics.html

Here is the Trans Am bracket with aftermarket fog lights using the side mounting screws:
http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac35/joeybucket94/5.jpg
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/pontiac-firebird-1967-2002/1245875-my-new-fog-lights.html

BS
10-08-2011, 12:25 AM
Thanks for the tips VIP1. I may just go ahead and buy them and fab something up to hold them. What do you recommend to seal them with? And what is the difference in a H3 bulb and a H3c?

VIP1
10-08-2011, 10:47 PM
H3 is a Halogen bulb size. H3C is a short HID bulb that is often sold for use in place of a Halogen H3. Watch out though. A real H3C doesn't look like a regular HID bulb and doesn't last as long either. It looks more like a cut HID bulb or more like a Halogen H3 bulb in size/appearance. Instead, get the newer-style short H3 HID bulb. It looks like a regular HID bulb but shorter. The reason for a H3C or short H3 HID bulb is to put the HID arc closer to the accurate position of a H3 Halogen bulb since a Halogen H3 bulb is pretty short.

As for sealing them, the only thing I can think of is some silicone and possibly aluminum tape if needed.



EDIT: Turns out there is a Halogen H3C bulb which appears to be a variant of an H3 bulb that is sold in Japan. From what I can tell, its the same capsule on a different base.

Here is a picuter (H3 on the left, H3C on the right)
http://www.lexls.com/images/H3/P1010002.jpg
I go that pic from this page saying how to mount a H3 bulb in place of a H3C.
http://www.lexls.com/tutorials/lighting/h3conversion.html

The rest of what I said above about H3C HID vs. Short H3 HID still applies.


Here is a pic of the 2 different HID kit style available.
H3C HID on the left, Short H3 HID on the right
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00dMbaeIKBSHoj/HID-Conversion-Kit-H3C-H3C-H3-.jpg

Here is a pic of the short H3 HID next to a Halogen H3 bulb.
(HID on the left, Halogen on the right)
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQX01ow9SsmcU8BU7NtS1reLFLKb7XFi kfV9i9fMFsU5l0kSSv4rskUiKKA

When it comes to HID sometimes the names H3 & H3C are interchanged (although they are different). Just make sure you see a pic of what you are getting before you order.

Hot2000ss
04-15-2012, 08:25 PM
hey guys i had a question on my fog lights, i havent had a chance to go under my car and take the bulbs out so im not sure on this yet but i was wandering what is the stock bulb size on the light bulbs being used on our fog lights?

WhiteBird00
04-16-2012, 08:41 AM
hey guys i had a question on my fog lights, i havent had a chance to go under my car and take the bulbs out so im not sure on this yet but i was wandering what is the stock bulb size on the light bulbs being used on our fog lights?It would be helpful to know what kind of car. Camaro? Firebird? Trans Am? Corvette? What year?

VIP1
04-17-2012, 01:00 PM
I'm going to take a guess that the car in question is a 2000 Camaro SS.

The 1998-2002 Camaro came stock with 894 bulbs.
The 1998-2002 Firebird came stock with 880 bulbs.

Technically 880,881,893,894 all fit into the same housing and plug into the same connector. The only difference is the angle of the connector and the wattage of the bulb (which also translates to the amount of heat they put out).

880 --- 27.5 Watt, straight connector
881 --- 27.5 Watt, right-angle connector
893 --- 35 Watt, straight connector
894 --- 35 Watt, right-angle connector

WARNING: Higher wattage bulbs have been known to melt the Firebird/Formula/Trans Am fog light housings since they are plastic.

You can find all the car's bulbs listed on the lamp replacement guide on Sylvania's website.

WhiteBird00
04-17-2012, 01:43 PM
I'm going to take a guess that the car in question is a 2000 Camaro SS.Uh, yeah... probably a hot 2000 SS. I should have looked at the screen name. :bang:


WARNING: Higher wattage bulbs have been known to melt the Firebird/Formula/Trans Am fog light housings since they are plastic.

You can find all the car's bulbs listed on the lamp replacement guide on Sylvania's website.I had the 35 watt 893 bulbs in my T/A for years without heat problems. But there are 50 watt versions (885 straight, 886 right angle) that have been reported to cause complete destruction of the sockets and housings due to melting. YMMV.

VIP1
04-18-2012, 11:06 AM
I had the 893 bulbs as well and they warped the mounting pad. The bulbs were fused in place. I got them out with some muscle (and chipped plastic), but it was clear that these stock plastic housings couldn't take the heat. At that point I junked the housings and used the damaged bulbs for their connectors.

WhiteBird00
04-18-2012, 11:11 AM
I wonder if the different placement of fog lights on a Formula versus a T/A effects how much heat they can handle? Maybe there's more airflow in the middle than at the sides? My fog lights were on anytime the headlights were on and they didn't melt even in the Florida heat.

ZexGX
04-18-2012, 07:07 PM
I installed 35w HIDs into my Formula fogs. They are starting to melt the lenses after about a year and a half of light use...

SparkyJJO
04-18-2012, 07:13 PM
I've run 886 50W bulbs in my Camaro's projector fogs without issue. Metal housing and glass lens, so that's probably why it's been fine.

Didn't the earlier birds have metal/glass fogs? I thought I read that somewhere.

ZexGX
04-18-2012, 07:38 PM
I've run 886 50W bulbs in my Camaro's projector fogs without issue. Metal housing and glass lens, so that's probably why it's been fine.

Didn't the earlier birds have metal/glass fogs? I thought I read that somewhere.

I read that LT1 TA's have metal/glass fogs, but the brackets would only be a direct fit for 98-02 V6/Formulas.

sjsingle1
04-19-2012, 12:47 AM
pep boys fogs here......50$.......the same ones used in the popular write up here.......glass lens and metal housing.......going strong for over a yr now

sjsingle1
04-19-2012, 12:48 AM
Here is another mounting option (using Hella 90mm projectors):
http://ls1tech.com/forums/attachments/stereo-electronics/185264d1246063673-ta-fog-light-upgrade-light-mount.jpg
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/stereo-electronics/1138700-ta-fog-light-upgrade.html
(you can modify the cut-off shield to be flat for fog light use if you want)

Here is the Trans Am bracket with aftermarket fog lights:
These are also Hella housings, but they are reflectors, not projectors.
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=12489&pictureid=34066
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/appearance-detailing/1184314-hella-fog-light-install-w-pics.html

Here is the Trans Am bracket with aftermarket fog lights using the side mounting screws:
http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac35/joeybucket94/5.jpg
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/pontiac-firebird-1967-2002/1245875-my-new-fog-lights.html

the hardest part is putting the fog in the stock bracket

VIP1
04-19-2012, 10:52 AM
the hardest part is putting the fog in the stock bracket
Which is easy. I've done it.

These from Post #6 are mine:

http://www.fadingarrow.com/images/foglights1_large.jpg

Hot2000ss
04-19-2012, 11:13 AM
Uh, yeah... probably a hot 2000 SS. I should have looked at the screen name. :bang:


I had the 35 watt 893 bulbs in my T/A for years without heat problems. But there are 50 watt versions (885 straight, 886 right angle) that have been reported to cause complete destruction of the sockets and housings due to melting. YMMV.



ooh!! thanks didnt think youd get back at me this quick that helps and yes its a 2000 ss camaro :)) hahaha and ok cause i wanna put these hids in there i wanna get the 10000k they have the different 800 series bulbs so im gunna prolly just get them i want them to match my headlights cause i installed them on my low beams and they work amazing haha :) so if i get these i should prolly get the 893 bulbs? think they be fine? thanks again!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/xeno-HID-KIT-H1-H3-H6m-H4-H7-H8-H11-9004-9005-9006-9007-D2S-D2R-6000K-H9-H10-H13-/130661381801?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item1e6c0676a9

WhiteBird00
04-19-2012, 11:32 AM
10,000K? So you're installing for appearance only and aren't concerned about effective lighting?

sjsingle1
04-20-2012, 01:48 AM
Which is easy. I've done it.

These from Post #6 are mine:

http://www.fadingarrow.com/images/foglights1_large.jpg

thats the firebird bracket and not the TA bracket .......i have done both......TA is a lot harder

ZexGX
04-20-2012, 04:44 PM
10,000K is useless as far as vision is concerned. All you're going to do with them is attract cops and piss off people in front of you...

thats the firebird bracket and not the TA bracket .......i have done both......TA is a lot harder

Ditto. Harder, but still possible. The main drawback with those lights is how hard it is to find some quality H3C HID bulbs since regular H3 HID bulbs don't fit. I actually went back to stock partially for that reason alone.

VIP1
04-20-2012, 05:35 PM
thats the firebird bracket and not the TA bracket .......i have done both......TA is a lot harder

Here is the T/A bracket from an earlier post in this thread using a fog light similar (probably the same) as the one I used:

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac35/joeybucket94/5.jpg

That looks like it took less work than the Firebird/Formula one. I had to bend and drill new holes in the Formula brackets. On this T/A bracket, it looked like only 2 new holes were needed.

ZexGX
04-20-2012, 05:54 PM
Here is the T/A bracket from an earlier post in this thread using a fog light similar (probably the same) as the one I used: <image>

That looks like it took less work than the Firebird/Formula one. I had to bend and drill new holes in the Formula brackets. On this T/A bracket, it looked like only 2 new holes were needed.

I guess it depends on if you have a power drill or not. He may have had to use... A file... Or... A lighter... Or something. :lol:

oddwraith
04-20-2012, 05:57 PM
Just stick with stock replacement or go hid.

Mattyfresh89
04-22-2012, 09:58 PM
this theads making me want to go inspect my fog lights / smell them while on

I upgraded to an 880 HID kit with the digital slim balast boxes, no issues to my knowledge.... Will be keeping my eyes and nose open while driving with them on

ZexGX
04-23-2012, 03:28 PM
this theads making me want to go inspect my fog lights / smell them while on

I upgraded to an 880 HID kit with the digital slim balast boxes, no issues to my knowledge.... Will be keeping my eyes and nose open while driving with them on

It's not a question of IF. It's a question of WHEN.

Mattyfresh89
04-24-2012, 08:32 AM
It's not a question of IF. It's a question of WHEN.

Interesting. Well thanks for the tip! I don't often drive with them on, only when some extra light is needed.

JrodCamaro
04-24-2012, 06:36 PM
I got some bulbs off ebay, (hid I believe) 3k or 7k I think. It's been about 10 months. One of them went out after ?6months? I turned them on the other day just to see which it was and they're both out. I haven't even turned them on a single time since I noticed the first one had gone out. Haven't yet checked the sockets/housings to see if there has been any problems, but I want this fixed asap. I need to find my stock bulbs again just to have it working. I wouldn't reccommend much off ebay personally, I've notcied alot of it not being top notch for our cars. But maybe others have had better experience.

ZexGX
04-25-2012, 12:42 PM
I got some bulbs off ebay, (hid I believe) 3k or 7k I think. It's been about 10 months. One of them went out after ?6months? I turned them on the other day just to see which it was and they're both out. I haven't even turned them on a single time since I noticed the first one had gone out. Haven't yet checked the sockets/housings to see if there has been any problems, but I want this fixed asap. I need to find my stock bulbs again just to have it working. I wouldn't reccommend much off ebay personally, I've notcied alot of it not being top notch for our cars. But maybe others have had better experience.

That has nothing to do with this thread. Make a new thread for your "HID bulb" issue... Unless the housings are melted, your post does not apply... Also, if you only put bulbs in and not a ballast, they are not HID and are just regular bulbs with a blue tint applied... Also, there is a HUGE difference between 3000k and 7000k in the way it looks.

thbugman
05-05-2012, 07:05 PM
It's not a question of IF. It's a question of WHEN.


I was going to order DDM 35watt 880 6000k. for my '96 TA. You really think it will melt the housing?

SparkyJJO
05-05-2012, 09:21 PM
I was going to order DDM 35watt 880 6000k. for my '96 TA. You really think it will melt the housing?

Your 96 is probably metal and glass housings so you're probably fine.

3YLSYKR
01-18-2013, 04:16 PM
I have ran 35w hid kits in the firebird/trans am fog lights and haven't had any issues at all (knock on wood).

I am going to find some glass lights same size to replace them with so I can run a 55w kit soon. I might just throw some glass projectors in there depending on price. Right now my 35w kit puts out quite a bit of light. When they are aimed up you can pretty much use them as driving lights as long as the cops don't bug you haha.

3YLSYKR
01-18-2013, 04:21 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fog-Light-Universal-Halo-Crystal-4Inch-Scion-XA-XB-L-R-Switch-Angel-Eyes-VIP-/170954467074?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A2000|Submodel%3ATrans+Am&hash=item27cdae2702&vxp=mtr