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Oh look, it officially weighs 4,120lbs. So many clueless people thought it might actually weigh less than the SS. I wonder how much weight the automatic adds.

jeez man, it cant be that hard to lighten the car >.>

jeez man, it cant be that hard to lighten the car >.>

You would think that, the cars platform itself is quite heavy from the start then all the safety standards etc...could they lighten it? Of course but that would make the car more expensive if they used lighter more expensive parts.

GM loses again. what a pig

I'll just go ahead and say this before certain people come in and try to convince me of how awesome it is... I don't care about the numbers it puts up. I thought my Mustang was heavy, and this weighs 700lbs more. This weighs almost exactly the same as my old 4-door pickup. Nearly the same as a Hemi Dodge Magnum STATION WAGON. I simply don't want a "sporty" car that weighs that much.

I'll just go ahead and say this before certain people come in and try to convince me of how awesome it is... I don't care about the numbers it puts up. I thought my Mustang was heavy, and this weighs 700lbs more. This weighs almost exactly the same as my old 4-door pickup. Nearly the same as a Hemi Dodge Magnum STATION WAGON. I simply don't want a "sporty" car that weighs that much.

Que "but it handles well, look at the Nurburgring times!"

Even with the weight the auto will probably be a monster in a straight line with minimal mods

I am a GM guy, but this is a let-down. GT500 remains the car to have.

The forged crank is nice though.

I'll just go ahead and say this before certain people come in and try to convince me of how awesome it is... I don't care about the numbers it puts up. I thought my Mustang was heavy, and this weighs 700lbs more. This weighs almost exactly the same as my old 4-door pickup. Nearly the same as a Hemi Dodge Magnum STATION WAGON. I simply don't want a "sporty" car that weighs that much.

Get used to it. Until somebody comes up with some cheap lightweight materials to use cars will stay heavy or get heavier. Government standards and crash equipement is only gonna get worse and cars are gonna need more and more

Get used to it. Until somebody comes up with some cheap lightweight materials to use cars will stay heavy or get heavier. Government standards and crash equipement is only gonna get worse and cars are gonna need more and more

Thank you.

Just because the car has a little bit more weight on it doesn't mean anything, it's far more advanced technology wise then the GT500 so it very well will be a good competition and ford knows that seeing as how quickly they reacted to it by boosting the power for the 2013 model. Both are great cars and I can't wait to see them compared in all areas.

i like it. im excited about it.


i know someone that has one on order. i cant wait to see it.

I'll just go ahead and say this before certain people come in and try to convince me of how awesome it is... I don't care about the numbers it puts up. I thought my Mustang was heavy, and this weighs 700lbs more. This weighs almost exactly the same as my old 4-door pickup. Nearly the same as a Hemi Dodge Magnum STATION WAGON. I simply don't want a "sporty" car that weighs that much.

Exactly....ask me how I now.:drive:

The guys over at camaro5 don't seem to care that their boat weights more then my GMC does.

Get used to it. Until somebody comes up with some cheap lightweight materials to use cars will stay heavy or get heavier. Government standards and crash equipement is only gonna get worse and cars are gonna need more and more

Increased usage of boron steel and other high strength steels may help to some extent.

I read that though a different manufacturing technique and increased usage of boron steel Ford was able to save 88 lbs on the Fiesta although I could not verify a source. IIRC the Cruze and Volt also make extensive use of these. IMO these are a great way to improve performance(braking, handling), meet CAFE requirements, and increased crash standards as these are stronger. I'm not sure if the downside is cost, but through increased homogenization maybe the cost will come down. I know the manufacturing techniques can be quite different as well.

Audi has done quite well with these in the past, hopefully this will become an industry trend.

Oh look, it officially weighs 4,120lbs. So many clueless people thought it might actually weigh less than the SS. I wonder how much weight the automatic adds.

Idk why anyone would have thought this to be a fact. Since day 1 that they released the concept they said it would weigh about the same as the current SS depending upon the options. 5th gen SS's with leather and fully loaded tip 4k lbs commonly. With the added supercharger and completely revised suspension, its amazing how little they actually added IMO.

I'll bring it up again because I still think its dumb...this is the best performing camaro ever. Best handling, best acceleration, most power, best quality interior, best suspension, the list goes on...

Once again, people bitch about the weight...why does it matter how much it weighs if it puts down better numbers than anything weve ever seen from a camaro before? It's hanging with sueprcars that are 5x the price...

People always complain about something...

You want something smaller, lighter, with less power, for cheaper? I hear Honda has a nice line up this year...

It's certainly a heavy car, but it's still lighter than a Bugatti Veyron (4,162 lbs).

Que "but it handles well, look at the Nurburgring times!"

Even with the weight the auto will probably be a monster in a straight line with minimal mods
I'm sure it will be. And that's cool for the people who only care about that.
Get used to it. Until somebody comes up with some cheap lightweight materials to use cars will stay heavy or get heavier. Government standards and crash equipement is only gonna get worse and cars are gonna need more and more
Well the GT500 weighs nearly 300lbs less, and the next-gen Mustang is rumored to be smaller/lighter. I wish people would stop acting like GM had no choice but to have the Camaro weigh as much as it does. They wanted to bring the car out quickly, so instead of making a dedicated platform (which would have been smaller/lighter, guaranteed) they used the best one that they already had. It's not like they don't realize that weight is incredibly important, which is why the next Camaro is rumored to be on the Alpha platform.
Idk why anyone would have thought this to be a fact. Since day 1 that they released the concept they said it would weigh about the same as the current SS depending upon the options. 5th gen SS's with leather and fully loaded tip 4k lbs commonly. With the added supercharger and completely revised suspension, its amazing how little they actually added IMO.

I'll bring it up again because I still think its dumb...this is the best performing camaro ever. Best handling, best acceleration, most power, best quality interior, best suspension, the list goes on...

Once again, people bitch about the weight...why does it matter how much it weighs if it puts down better numbers than anything weve ever seen from a camaro before? It's hanging with sueprcars that are 5x the price...

People always complain about something...

You want something smaller, lighter, with less power, for cheaper? I hear Honda has a nice line up this year...
If numbers are all that matter to you, go for it. Numbers aren't everything to me (and MANY MANY others), and I think that the way a car feels is EASILY just as important as the numbers it puts down.

You all can whine and argue about it's weight all you want. Bottom line is that this thing is a strong runner for what it is, and there's no disputing that. Cannot wait to see what the A6 does with a tune/bolt-on's, going to really be a fast car.

some people like it,some dont.


i understand why some wouldnt but i and others appreciate a car like this from GM and that also should be respected.

I respect it, of course. But it is definitely not my thing.

I respect it, of course. But it is definitely not my thing.

its a pig. even i admit it. everything else i like very much. except the price.

The Nissan GT-R weighs significantly more than its competition, yet still manages to compete because of its various technological enhancements.

The ZL1 is, in all likeliness, a better car than the GT500. However, I'm sure when the magazines do the inevitable comparison tests, they'll gripe about the Camaro's interior and put it in 2nd place because of that.

The ZL1 might be quicker than the gt500 now, but lets not forget that they're coming out with an updated one very soon.

The updated gt500 will likely be quicker if they fit some decent tires on it for once.

GM is already stepping on their own toes by building this car to this performance level. Out performing corvettes is a no-no, and also this car with a few bolt on will need a roll cage for NHRA 1/4 mile runs...

I suspect this car wont feel like a 4,000 lb car when you're behind the wheel. Weight is just another number too, so apparently Im not the only one that is concerned about numbers.

I respect it, of course. But it is definitely not my thing.

Of course not. It's not like you haven't told us this multiple times in other threads. Why would this one be any different? :)

I respect it, of course. But it is definitely not my thing.

dude this car is awesome..have your seen the Nurinburg times!!!!??...the Ford GT was ONLY 1 second faster!..this is one those cases where the weight is not that big of a factor..since it's able to put down some sweet times..and what you want to bet it will be putting a hurting on the lighter GT500's at the drag strip stock for stock...if the the GT500 has about the same HP and weighs less then why is Ford adding more HP to the new GT500?..because they are scared!..we all seen what happended with the 2010 SS vs the 2010 GT stang...Ford said we getting our asses spanked!..let's add more HP..and GM has been known to underate their engines..i would'nt doubt if the ZL1 has actually more like 600 flywheel hp..this car is here to make a statement..magnetic suspension, electric power steering and track times on the level of what many exotics put out!

dude this car is awesome..have your seen the Nurinburg times!!!!??...the Ford GT was ONLY 1 second faster!..this is one those cases where the weight is not that big of a factor..since it's able to put down some sweet times..and what you want to bet it will be putting a hurting on the lighter GT500's at the drag strip stock for stock...if the the GT500 has about the same HP and weighs less then why is Ford adding more HP to the new GT500?..because they are scared!..we all seen what happended with the 2010 SS vs the 2010 GT stang...Ford said we getting our asses spanked!..let's add more HP..and GM has been known to underate their engines..i would'nt doubt if the ZL1 has actually more like 600 flywheel hp..this car is here to make a statement..magnetic suspension, electric power steering and track times on the level of what many exotics put out!

:lol:

GM is already stepping on their own toes by building this car to this performance level. Out performing corvettes is a no-no.

And that's why the GT500 is already as good and will likely be better in the future.
The GT500 is already as quick as the Z06 on a couple tracks.

Only time will tell I suppose.

And that's why the GT500 is already as good and will likely be better in the future.
The GT500 is already as quick as the Z06 on a couple tracks.

Only time will tell I suppose.

GT500 as good as the Z06?..you gotsta be shitting me right?...there are ppl hitting 10.9's on street tires COMPLETELY STOCK with the newer Z06's..there's no stock GT500's close to that..hell they barely run low 12's and that's with good drivers...and track times..if there are any that are remotely similar they have to simply be a fluke..the new vettes only weigh around 3,100lbs and have nearly a perfect distribution of weight from front to rear...the 2012 Zo6 ( on competition DOT tires) ran 7:19.63 around the Nurburgring..the next thing in line as far as 'FORD" wise is the Ford GT with a measly 7:40..the GT500 is nowhere close to that i assure you..what's even funnier is the ZL1 camaro just did the Nurburgring in 7:41..right on the heels of the Ford GT...FORD PFFFFFFFT!!!:thumbsdow

Of course not. It's not like you haven't told us this multiple times in other threads. Why would this one be any different? :)
You're welcome :)
dude this car is awesome..have your seen the Nurinburg times!!!!??...the Ford GT was ONLY 1 second faster!..this is one those cases where the weight is not that big of a factor..since it's able to put down some sweet times..and what you want to bet it will be putting a hurting on the lighter GT500's at the drag strip stock for stock...if the the GT500 has about the same HP and weighs less then why is Ford adding more HP to the new GT500?..because they are scared!..we all seen what happended with the 2010 SS vs the 2010 GT stang...Ford said we getting our asses spanked!..let's add more HP..and GM has been known to underate their engines..i would'nt doubt if the ZL1 has actually more like 600 flywheel hp..this car is here to make a statement..magnetic suspension, electric power steering and track times on the level of what many exotics put out!

Did you read anything I wrote? I respect the performance this car delivers...but too heavy. The GT-R performs great too, but I would still rather drive a Z06.

I'm thrilled to see it performed so well...But

It's a pig. Weight is a major factor in everything and at 4200lbs it leaves something to be desired.

I respect it, of course. But it is definitely not my thing.

Don't buy one.

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What is rodular ???
Main bearing caps Rodular iron

I am suprised they used this version of the M6. The car shouldn't need that much gearing.
TRANSMISSIONS
Gear ratios (:1): TREMEC TR6060 Six-Speed Manual
First 2.66
Second 1.78
Third 1.30
Fourth 1.00
Fifth 0.80
Sixth 0.63
Reverse 2.90
Final drive ratio 3.73

Considering that my car is 4023 from the factory and all of that extra stuff is in the ZL1 that number is very impressive. The car is still heavy though. :P
Curb weight (lb./kg) 4120 lbs.



There is a lot of good here. :) Wish my car had some of the features the ZL1 will have.

Don't buy one.

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Oh I'm sorry, I forgot we could only talk about cars we were planning on buying...

I'm sorry you though people cared about your opinion. 100% of the time its negative. Sweet dude.

:lol: Whatever you say buddy. What you call "negative," I call "realistic." Excuse me for not sharing all your opinions.

its heavy arse will probably get 15mpgs(realistically) but im pretty sure theyve said it will get more.

maybe you can buy a version w/o all the extra electrical crap like heated seats and the XL radio or what the hell ever it is.

and lighter seats, lighter wheels, full carbon fiber panels, etc.

id like to have one with a crap load of lighter replacement parts including the glass.

ill probably never be able to get one but i can dream of a perfect 5th gen. :D

GT500 as good as the Z06?..you gotsta be shitting me right?...there are ppl hitting 10.9's on street tires COMPLETELY STOCK with the newer Z06's..there's no stock GT500's close to that..hell they barely run low 12's and that's with good drivers...and track times..if there are any that are remotely similar they have to simply be a fluke..the new vettes only weigh around 3,100lbs and have nearly a perfect distribution of weight from front to rear...the 2012 Zo6 ( on competition DOT tires) ran 7:19.63 around the Nurburgring..the next thing in line as far as 'FORD" wise is the Ford GT with a measly 7:40..the GT500 is nowhere close to that i assure you..what's even funnier is the ZL1 camaro just did the Nurburgring in 7:41..right on the heels of the Ford GT...FORD PFFFFFFFT!!!:thumbsdow

Willow Springs times:

-GT500 - 1:23.48
-ZR1 - 1:23.87
-Z06 Z07 - 1:24.28
-Grand Sport - 1:27.10

So it's really not that unimaginable.

You going to be ok???

^^^^^you really believe that.....lol

I am pumped up that the ZL1 only weights 4120! I was seriously expecting a 4250 pig monster.

The ZL1 ran a 7:41 around the Ring driven by a GM engineer with a 100 pound roll cage and 30 pounds recording equipment. The ZL1 is absolutely insane.

There is no way the '13 GT500 will come close to the ZL1's 7:41 time.

Watch GM introduce a lightweight material/aero package for the '14 ZR1 and '14 ZL1. ZR2 and ZL2 FTW!

There is no way the '13 GT500 will come close to the ZL1's 7:41 time.


Easy with that, I was a little put off by the zl1 being announced a year before you could get your hands on one. Then it had the engine that everyone thought it would have albeit with a hp jump (hopefully not one of those "on paper" ones like they did with the v6)

So Ford had a good amount of time to prepare for this car. Of note, I'm not the CEO of a car company, but I don't get why they spilled the beans so much before they car came out and no real huge surprises.

That said, I like this car and barring the apocalypse, I'll keep this on my short list for my next car.

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot we could only talk about cars we were planning on buying...

Nope, but with all the countless ZL1 threads on this site you've been in them all complaining the exact same things multiple times in each thread. I mean, I'm not even going to agree with grandma and say "if you don't have anything nice to say..." because criticism is a good thing; however, you're borderline trollin ZL1 threads now.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/street-racing-kill-stories/1465009-camaro-zl1-bs-thread-10.html#post15503016

http://ls1tech.com/forums/automotive-news-media-press/1464824-official-zl1-power-figure-other-details-released-2.html

http://ls1tech.com/forums/automotive-news-media-press/1464824-official-zl1-power-figure-other-details-released-3.html

http://ls1tech.com/forums/automotive-news-media-press/1464824-official-zl1-power-figure-other-details-released-5.html

pretty much every page in this thread...

So you don't take issue with the fact that there are 25 new ZL1 threads every week, you take issue with my responses? I am not talking trash, I am simply stating an extremely valid fact-based viewpoint. You don't like it, sorry.

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot we could only talk about cars we were planning on buying...

I don't believe you. Why don't you plan on buying one again? I forgot... :angel:

So you don't take issue with the fact that there are 25 new ZL1 threads every week, you take issue with my responses? I am not talking trash, I am simply stating an extremely valid fact-based viewpoint. You don't like it, sorry.

I wonder how many GT500 threads there were on the Ford forums when it was waiting to be released in 2007? I'm sorry you're on a GM site and have to deal with more than a few people who are excited that GM is finally releasing a GT500 competitor. I cannot fathom how infuriating that must be for you!

Unlike your responses the ZL1 threads have different topics to discuss, e.g. ZL1 Spec Release, Jay Leno & ZL1, ZL1 at Nurburgring, ZL1 convertible, etc. You on the other hand see Camaro or ZL1 in a thread title and get a hard-on because you have another opportunity to state that it's too heavy for you and you will never buy one. I don't think anyone disagrees with you about its weight. It's a valid point and this is why you don't like it. We get it! Thank you! :)

See, you mentioned two threads that I haven't posted in at all. Now we can be best friends.

Now we can be best friends.

:cheers:

I feel sorta dumb, can't access the link...I tried copying and pasting what's posted on here, but I think that ... in the middle messed it up, it brings up the Website but says Error 404 not found.

Willow Springs times:

-GT500 - 1:23.48
-ZR1 - 1:23.87
-Z06 Z07 - 1:24.28
-Grand Sport - 1:27.10

So it's really not that unimaginable.

You going to be ok???

it IS highly unimaginable.!!..even with similar times posted on ONE track the times for other tracks are different in favor of the Zo6 meaning obviously this is a fluke or whatever ppl may wanna call it...the Zo6 is a beast on any track and according to MANY reputable car reviewers the GT500 handles like a boat compared to the Z06...it's simple shysics that should tell you that the ZO6 if a far superior performer in ALL aspects...#1 Z06 is around 600lbs lighters..has better weight ditribution as well as a suspension far more suited for road courses...they have similar HP 505 to 550 ...better braking!!...better 0-60!! and better 1/4th mile times all day every day!!...i'm not gona let what those 2 cars ran around ONE track affect the facts at hand...by your theory then the GT500 is faster than the Ford GT??!!??..because the Z06 put a hurting on the Nurburgring track times of the Ford GT..but you want me to believe the GT500 can best the Z06??..comon man, lets use a lil common sense here and not go by williow springs times alone..look at all the other track times out there..road courses and drag strip times alike and it's a no brainer the Zo6 is 5x the car the GT500 is...i could maybe believe the new BOSS 5.0 would have close times to the Zo6 seeing as how it's alot more suited for the track than a GT500..but the GT500 is a hopped up mustang..still heavy..and can barely run low 12's at the drag strip while the Z06 runs's high 11's on their BAD days at the track lol

it IS highly unimaginable.!!..even with similar times posted on ONE track the times for other tracks are different in favor of the Zo6 meaning obviously this is a fluke or whatever ppl may wanna call it...the Zo6 is a beast on any track and according to MANY reputable car reviewers the GT500 handles like a boat compared to the Z06...it's simple shysics that should tell you that the ZO6 if a far superior performer in ALL aspects...#1 Z06 is around 600lbs lighters..has better weight ditribution as well as a suspension far more suited for road courses...they have similar HP 505 to 550 ...better braking!!...better 0-60!! and better 1/4th mile times all day every day!!...i'm not gona let what those 2 cars ran around ONE track affect the facts at hand...by your theory then the GT500 is faster than the Ford GT??!!??..because the Z06 put a hurting on the Nurburgring track times of the Ford GT..but you want me to believe the GT500 can best the Z06??..comon man, lets use a lil common sense here and not go by williow springs times alone..look at all the other track times out there..road courses and drag strip times alike and it's a no brainer the Zo6 is 5x the car the GT500 is...i could maybe believe the new BOSS 5.0 would have close times to the Zo6 seeing as how it's alot more suited for the track than a GT500..but the GT500 is a hopped up mustang..still heavy..and can barely run low 12's at the drag strip while the Z06 runs's high 11's on their BAD days at the track lol

Agreed. GT500 isn't track suited to outdo the Z06, plus it weighs a lot more.

it IS highly unimaginable.!!..even with similar times posted on ONE track the times for other tracks are different in favor of the Zo6 meaning obviously this is a fluke or whatever ppl may wanna call it...the Zo6 is a beast on any track and according to MANY reputable car reviewers the GT500 handles like a boat compared to the Z06...it's simple shysics that should tell you that the ZO6 if a far superior performer in ALL aspects...#1 Z06 is around 600lbs lighters..has better weight ditribution as well as a suspension far more suited for road courses...they have similar HP 505 to 550 ...better braking!!...better 0-60!! and better 1/4th mile times all day every day!!...i'm not gona let what those 2 cars ran around ONE track affect the facts at hand...by your theory then the GT500 is faster than the Ford GT??!!??..because the Z06 put a hurting on the Nurburgring track times of the Ford GT..but you want me to believe the GT500 can best the Z06??..comon man, lets use a lil common sense here and not go by williow springs times alone..look at all the other track times out there..road courses and drag strip times alike and it's a no brainer the Zo6 is 5x the car the GT500 is...i could maybe believe the new BOSS 5.0 would have close times to the Zo6 seeing as how it's alot more suited for the track than a GT500..but the GT500 is a hopped up mustang..still heavy..and can barely run low 12's at the drag strip while the Z06 runs's high 11's on their BAD days at the track lol
Sometimes I wonder if you do any thinking before you type... you find it completely unbelievable that the GT500 can keep up with the Z06 on any track, but have no problem believing that the ZL1 can. To quote you, "it's simple shysics." There's nothing wrong with being a little cautious to believe manufacturer-published times, but blindly believing numbers from one manufacturer while sweeping other times under the rug is a little ridiculous.

Sometimes I wonder if you do any thinking before you type... you find it completely unbelievable that the GT500 can keep up with the Z06 on any track, but have no problem believing that the ZL1 can. To quote you, "it's simple shysics." There's nothing wrong with being a little cautious to believe manufacturer-published times, but blindly believing numbers from one manufacturer while sweeping other times under the rug is a little ridiculous.

I don't think he's out of line for calling those bogus times. No way is a GT500 going to outrun the ZR1 in a straight line or a track. ZR1 is a beast at both, no way a car half its price will even come close.

I don't think he's out of line for calling those bogus times. No way is a GT500 going to outrun the ZR1 in a straight line or a track. ZR1 is a beast at both, no way a car half its price will even come close.

My point is, you could say the same thing about the ZL1. Everybody knows how fast the Z06 is in a straight line, and it is WAY faster than the ZL1 is going to be. Which would mean for the published ZL1 times to be taken as an accurate portrayal of the car's comparative performance, that would mean that the ZL1 handles SIGNIFICANTLY better than the 1,000lb lighter Z06. Which I don't think anybody actually believes. In my humble opinion, no way a production ZL1 is legitimately going to outrun a Z06 in a straight line or a track.

My point is, you could say the same thing about the ZL1. Everybody knows how fast the Z06 is in a straight line, and it is WAY faster than the ZL1 is going to be. Which would mean for the published ZL1 times to be taken as an accurate portrayal of the car's comparative performance, that would mean that the ZL1 handles SIGNIFICANTLY better than the 1,000lb lighter Z06. Which I don't think anybody actually believes. In my humble opinion, no way a production ZL1 is legitimately going to outrun a Z06 in a straight line or a track.

What are people saying the ZL1 will run at the 1/4 mile? I'm pretty sure it will post something similar to the CTS-V...similar engine and all.

What are people saying the ZL1 will run at the 1/4 mile? I'm pretty sure it will post something similar to the CTS-V...similar engine and all.

Which is a full second and ~10mph slower in the 1/4 mile than the best Z06 times. See my point? That is an ENORMOUS difference.

Which is a full second and ~10mph slower in the 1/4 mile than the best Z06 times. See my point? That is an ENORMOUS difference.

You didn't answer my question...what times are they saying the ZL1 will run?

High 11s/Low 12s at ~120mph.

High 11s/Low 12s at ~120mph.

Probably being ignorant when I say this, but I think I could definitely see this thing hitting low 12's. That's not too much of a stretch if it's got 550HP.

Probably being ignorant when I say this, but I think I could definitely see this thing hitting low 12's. That's not too much of a stretch if it's got 550HP.

I can definitely see that too. But do you understand how much faster the Z06 is?

I can definitely see that too. But do you understand how much faster the Z06 is?

From what I have seen the Z06 runs about 11.6 in the 1/4 mile. With 45 less HP, and 800 lbs less weight.

Regardless of what you have seen, stock Z06s (down to the tires) have run LOW 11s, and one or two of even dipped into the 10s. STOCK. At 126-129mph. Like I said, a C6 Z06 would butt-rape a ZL1 in a straight line. The ZL1 will be a great race for a C5 Z06 though from a dig, and probably pull a bit from a roll.

Probably being ignorant when I say this, but I think I could definitely see this thing hitting low 12's. That's not too much of a stretch if it's got 550HP.

585Hp is what the ZL1 will have.

High 11s/Low 12s at ~120mph.

Thats what the current CTs-v Runs (with 30 less Hp, more weight, and less advanced suspension)

Regardless of what you have seen, stock Z06s (down to the tires) have run LOW 11s, and one or two of even dipped into the 10s. STOCK. At 126-129mph. Like I said, a C6 Z06 would butt-rape a ZL1 in a straight line. The ZL1 will be a great race for a C5 Z06 though from a dig, and probably pull a bit from a roll.

The ZL1's should easily outrun the CTS-V with more power, better suspension, and less weight.

Putting the Z06 in the low 11 second/high 10 second range I think is giving it a little too much credit. Sure, it has been done, but any joe shmoe isnt going to do that on every run. Some late 4th gens have seen mid 12's in the 1/4 stock, should you expect every 98-02 LS1 to perform like that? Hell no. Mid 11's is the norm run I'd say with any amateur driver (with a little experience behind the wheel).

I could easily see the ZL1 being a high/mid 11 second car. Plus remember the 2012 ZL1 is also going to have more advanced suspension the current ZR1.

585Hp is what the ZL1 will have.



Thats what the current CTs-v Runs (with 30 less Hp, more weight, and less advanced suspension)



The ZL1's should easily outrun the CTS-V with more power, better suspension, and less weight.

Putting the Z06 in the low 11 second/high 10 second range I think is giving it a little too much credit. Sure, it has been done, but any joe shmoe isnt going to do that on every run. Some late 4th gens have seen mid 12's in the 1/4 stock, should you expect every 98-02 LS1 to perform like that? Hell no. Mid 11's is the norm run I'd say with any amateur driver (with a little experience behind the wheel).

I could easily see the ZL1 being a high/mid 11 second car. Plus remember the 2012 ZL1 is also going to have more advanced suspension the current ZR1.

I am talking about the POTENTIAL OF THE CAR. The Z06 has the POTENTIAL to run low 11s. Maybe one or two built on a good day can crack 10s. That is factual information. If you want to talk about what Joe-shmoe is gonna run in a Z06, you might want to add quite a bit of time to that mid-high 11s estimate for the ZL1. You can't compare one car's potential to another car's average. The Z06 has been proven to be SIGNIFICANTLY faster in a straight line than the ZL1 even has the potential to be. So like I said... if you want to hold all these 'Ring times as gospel, you have to hold the opinion that the 4,120lb ZL1 handles considerably better than the 1,000lb-lighter Z06. Quit skirting the issue.

Edit: BTW, has anyone actually run 11s in a completely stock CTS-V? 12.1 is the quickest I have heard of so far.

I am talking about the POTENTIAL OF THE CAR. The Z06 has the POTENTIAL to run low 11s. Maybe one or two built on a good day can crack 10s. That is factual information. If you want to talk about what Joe-shmoe is gonna run in a Z06, you might want to add quite a bit of time to that mid-high 11s estimate for the ZL1. You can't compare one car's potential to another car's average. The Z06 has been proven to be SIGNIFICANTLY faster in a straight line than the ZL1 even has the potential to be. So like I said... if you want to hold all these 'Ring times as gospel, you have to hold the opinion that the 4,120lb ZL1 handles considerably better than the 1,000lb-lighter Z06. Quit skirting the issue.

Edit: BTW, has anyone actually run 11s in a completely stock CTS-V? 12.1 is the quickest I have heard of so far.

Magazines have done 11.8's and 11.9's several times ( around 122mph IIRC), along with a number of amateurs.

I'm not saying they will be neck and neck contenders necessarily, but it will definitely be closer than you giving credit to being possible. I'm betting the 11.70 range wont be an uncommon run for the ZL1 given the advantages it has over the CTS-V that runs low 12's very commonly.

Only time will tell, but I think everyone will continue to impressed (or butthurt for whatever reason) with the ZL1's performance as time goes on.

I also forgot to add the ZL1 has much better, wider tires (305 "summer only" directional tires on a 20x11 rim) than the CTS-V, which has fought traction and wheel hop in many runs.

The fact that you think I am "butthurt" at all by this car's performance is laughable. I am using the same "common sense" that has been used to explain why the GT500 can't be faster around a track than the Z06.

The fact that you think I am "butthurt" at all by this car's performance is laughable. I am using the same "common sense" that has been used to explain why the GT500 can't be faster around a track than the Z06.

I didnt say any names, I really dont care what you think at all (and as you put it earlier MANY MANY others agree with me).

Lots of people read this stuff, I'm just doing my duty displaying a different opinion and distributing more facts just like you're attempting to. At this point, its mostly speculation, but as new facts arise you keep saying the same stuff while others are making new speculations. I will be damned if every ZL1 thread on LS1tech is only filled with your negative comments because you see it as your duty to storm in and bitch about everything every time something pops up about it.

And I havent said a thing about the GT500. I have mainly talked about the ZL1's 1/4 mile performance.

I didnt say any names, I really dont care what you think at all (and as you put it earlier MANY MANY others agree with me).

Lots of people read this stuff, I'm just doing my duty displaying a different opinion and distributing more facts just like you're attempting to. At this point, its mostly speculation, but as new facts arise you keep saying the same stuff while others are making new speculations. I will be damned if every ZL1 thread on LS1tech is only filled with your negative comments because you see it as your duty to storm in and bitch about everything every time something pops up about it.

And I havent said a thing about the GT500. I have mainly talked about the ZL1's 1/4 mile performance.

Talk about butthurt :lol:

Edit: And for the record, the car's weight has been something that everyone has speculated about for months... some were right, some were wrong. So I like to make *intelligent* speculations, not hopeful speculations. This car isn't a personal lord and savior. It's a car.

Interesting.

Talk about butthurt :lol:

Edit: And for the record, the car's weight has been something that everyone has speculated about for months... some were right, some were wrong. So I like to make *intelligent* speculations, not hopeful speculations. This car isn't a personal lord and savior. It's a car.

Its not hurting my feelings any, I assure you. Just trying to keep the facts out there, provide some additional educated speculation, and keep the trolls at bay :engarde:

Six year troll, going strong ;)

:lol: Whatever you say buddy. What you call "negative," I call "realistic." Excuse me for not sharing all your opinions.

Whats my opinion exactly? Trollolololol.

Apparently the polar opposite of whatever you think my "negative" opinions are :lol:

I bet bone stock 11.70 or faster runs from the ZL1 will be documented within a month of the ZL1 being available to the public. Any takers?

Bone stock, NOTHING changed? That should be interesting.

Bone stock, NOTHING changed? That should be interesting.

Thats .1 better than the current best CTS-V time...Theyve added 30mm width to the already upgraded tires, lost a couple hundred pounds off the car, added advanced magnetic suspension, almost 30 hp, and you're skeptical it cant cut .1 off in the 1/4?

Granted, thats the BEST CTS-V time, but nevertheless, I'm not talking about the potential of the ZL1, but the average...Im willing to bet there will be faster than 11.70 runs out there in time bone stock.

I'll just go ahead and say this before certain people come in and try to convince me of how awesome it is... I don't care about the numbers it puts up. I thought my Mustang was heavy, and this weighs 700lbs more. This weighs almost exactly the same as my old 4-door pickup. Nearly the same as a Hemi Dodge Magnum STATION WAGON. I simply don't want a "sporty" car that weighs that much.I can't argue with that man, I feel the exact same way about the Nissan GTR. :nono:

Regardless of what you have seen, stock Z06s (down to the tires) have run LOW 11s, and one or two of even dipped into the 10s. STOCK. At 126-129mph. Like I said, a C6 Z06 would butt-rape a ZL1 in a straight line. The ZL1 will be a great race for a C5 Z06 though from a dig, and probably pull a bit from a roll.Agreed.

I can't argue with that man, I feel the exact same way about the Nissan GTR. :nono:



I respect the performance this car delivers...but too heavy. The GT-R performs great too, but I would still rather drive a Z06.

:nod:

The fact that you think I am "butthurt" at all by this car's performance is laughable. I am using the same "common sense" that has been used to explain why the GT500 can't be faster around a track than the Z06.

bringing up the GT500 vs a Zo6 and the ZL1 maro vs the Zo6, while you may think thye are similar, you are off quite a good bit...the ZL1 much like the new mustang BOSS 5.0 is built mainly to handle on tracks..both have impressive suspension setups unlike the GT500 wich just is'nt on par with the BOSS,ZL1 and damn sure not the Z06..so the GT500 being even small competion for the Zo6 is laughable...however the boss 5.0 or the ZL1 is is a competitor all day long for almost any car on any track...i personally find the GT500's to be the MOST OVERATED car's on the planet..550 hp and some ppl cant' even hit mid 12's with then...it's a damn shame what my car does to them at the drag strip...i honestly get tired of racing them..the new 5.0's with some drag radials and a few bolt ons give my SS better runs at the drag strip than a GT500 does..they best add more hp and redo thier suspension if they want to compete with what the ZL1 has to offer

You make my brain hurt. Every time you type. A car is overrated because most people can't drive them? But the fact that they have run BOTTOM 11s @ 120mph+ with just drag radials means nothing. :eyes:

Irunelevens, while I still stick to what I previously said, I have to apologize. Even though I agree with you now (as I usually do), it was getting a little annoying at the same time. However, I'm sorry it seems I created a bit of a forum Frankenstein out of you.

Apology accepted :cheers:

Irunelevens, while I still stick to what I previously said, I have to apologize. Even though I agree with you now (as I usually do), it was getting a little annoying at the same time. However, I'm sorry it seems I created a bit of a forum Frankenstein out of you.

Please dont encourage him! :bang:

:lol:

May have skimmed through too quickly...but is there a price released for this thing yet?

It's heavy but still a bad ass car, GM just made the damn thing so big. It's amazing seeing a 4th and 5th gen next to eachother and looking at the difference in bulk.

Pricing I saw was to Start in the low 50s.

Ok so lets say once i buy my zl1 and take it to the track and run 12 flat, what mods would i need and how much would i need to spend to make it run consistent 10.5s all day?

Pulley/tune/tires is my guess.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/automotive/63558d1275277426-true-drivers-who-drive-big-suvs-must_not_feed_the_troll.jpg

Pricing I saw was to Start in the low 50s.

No official pricing has been released. Not saying that your number wont be close, but everything thus far is just a guess.

No official pricing has been released. Not saying that your number wont be close, but everything thus far is just a guess.

I saw that in another article, but who knows what the original source of that info was.

I saw that in another article, but who knows what the original source of that info was.

Not chevrolet I bet :)

You make my brain hurt. Every time you type. A car is overrated because most people can't drive them? But the fact that they have run BOTTOM 11s @ 120mph+ with just drag radials means nothing. :eyes:

funny that you have issues about what i say ..very funny indeed seeing as how many on here have labeled you a "TROLL"..this has been said over and over and not just on this particular thread, but on LS1Tech period!..and YES..GT500's are SEVEARLY overrated because it's not a user freindly car..90% of the owners of them cannot even run MID 12's stock with them!..@ 550hp mid 12's should be a fucking ACCIDENT that a 17 year old Honda driver could do with his eyes closed...and LOW 11's with just drag radials!!???...i'ma need to see some proof of that because last i heard it was a 11.9 with drag radials was the fastest stock times recorded (with DR's) wich is respectable but a 11.9 is a long way from "bottom 11's" in drag racing terms....even if by some miracle one guy managed a low 11 with it, might as well call it a fluke..hell it's not like with a C6 ZO6 where MANY have recorded 10.9's on street tires and drag radials alike with good drivers..i got a vid on my youtube channel ( i will post vid) of me racing a 700+hp pulley, tuned, exhaust ect (or so he claimed) GT500 that was on drag radials and he ran a 12.1 to my 11.9 ( i spun clearly in the vid) he got the win of course despite my better ET because of my reaction time..my point here..the guy now how his GT500 into the 10's but with alot more mods than when we raced..he has made atleast 100 passes at the drag strip cause i have seen him make many myself since i meet up with him alot on T&T nights...he knows his car well, but with DR's pullley, and tune and one hell of a good launch (as seen in this vid) he STILL only ran a 12.1 to my 11.9..GT500's suck as a drag car unless you are a pro driver on DR"s..then you might hit 11's LOL...you can try to say whatever but i race GT500's ALOT at the track and have only lost to one (while still running a faster time) so no i'm not impressed by GT500's not even a lil bit..not when they cost 50k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fcCCkUAeiM&feature=channel_video_title

The only people who even think to call me a troll are retards, just gonna go ahead and say that. They have their head so far up their ass that they think anybody critical of a GM product is a hater, and anyone who has ever owned a Mustang is a "Ford guy." As for the low 11s GT500 on tires, they have this thing called Google. You should try it out sometime. And I don't give two shits what you see at your track.

Edit: Here, I did your work for you. This guy bolted up a set of drag rims and slicks, and started practicing. Understand that they new GT500s are considerably quicker than the early cars. Go ahead and get your "well it has hidden mods" excuses ready.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAKgviKzOjs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNhulxLTim8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDX_gV2LOys&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Looks hot!
http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/chevrolet-camaro-zl1-carbon-concept_100368423_m.jpg

:cool:

The only people who even think to call me a troll are retards, just gonna go ahead and say that. They have their head so far up their ass that they think anybody critical of a GM product is a hater, and anyone who has ever owned a Mustang is a "Ford guy."

It doesnt annoy me if you like the car or not. It annoys me how self rightous and arrogant you are. You have to argue with everyone about everything, correct the dumbest little things that don't matter in other's posts, and you have to feel like you're "right" all the time. You put other people down and act like you're an expert and your word is final, and anyone who disagrees must have something wrong with them. Your opinions aren't why people call you a troll, it's your attitude.

I like all muscle cars, and stand behind no brand :) The ZL1 and the GT500 will be a heck of a driver's race, and I'd be proud to own either one.

Also IRUNELEVENS, you do come across as having a bit of an agenda sometimes.

Looks like the gt500 in the 2nd vid has gears.....slicks kinda blow the whole street car thing out the window.

It doesnt annoy me if you like the car or not. It annoys me how self rightous and arrogant you are. You have to argue with everyone about everything, correct the dumbest little things that don't matter in other's posts, and you have to feel like you're "right" all the time. You put other people down and act like you're an expert and your word is final, and anyone who disagrees must have something wrong with them. Your opinions aren't why people call you a troll, it's your attitude.

If that's how you feel, you are welcome to do so. It's not my fault people are wrong so much :jest:. But if you notice, I don't argue with "everyone about everything." If somebody says something blatantly wrong or ignorant, I will throw my $.02 in.

Looks like the gt500 in the 2nd vid has gears.....slicks kinda blow the whole street car thing out the window.

It's all the same guy driving the same car. Like I said, he put different wheels/tires on it and practiced at the track.

Ill take either car, GT500 or a ZL1 cant really argue against that kind of power in a pony car. :jest:

If I had the money I still wouldn't buy one strictly based on how heavy it is.

It doesnt annoy me if you like the car or not. It annoys me how self rightous and arrogant you are. You have to argue with everyone about everything, correct the dumbest little things that don't matter in other's posts, and you have to feel like you're "right" all the time. You put other people down and act like you're an expert and your word is final, and anyone who disagrees must have something wrong with them. Your opinions aren't why people call you a troll, it's your attitude.

Well, that about sums it up. :chug:

On what planet does a huge blower, all the hardware associated with that, massive diameter wide wheels, massive gumball tires and massive brakes all equal less weight?

It weighs what my G8 GXP with 20s weighs and the front tires on the ZL1 are wider than the rears on my GXP. This car is a monster.

If I had the money I still wouldn't buy one strictly based on how heavy it is.

On what planet does a huge blower, all the hardware associated with that, massive diameter wide wheels, massive gumball tires and massive brakes all equal less weight?

It weighs what my G8 GXP with 20s weighs and the front tires on the ZL1 are wider than the rears on my GXP. This car is a monster.

Uh oh, looks like you guys are haters too :lol:

funny that you have issues about what i say ..very funny indeed seeing as how many on here have labeled you a "TROLL"..this has been said over and over and not just on this particular thread, but on LS1Tech period!..and YES..GT500's are SEVEARLY overrated because it's not a user freindly car..90% of the owners of them cannot even run MID 12's stock with them!..@ 550hp mid 12's should be a fucking ACCIDENT that a 17 year old Honda driver could do with his eyes closed...and LOW 11's with just drag radials!!???...i'ma need to see some proof of that because last i heard it was a 11.9 with drag radials was the fastest stock times recorded (with DR's) wich is respectable but a 11.9 is a long way from "bottom 11's" in drag racing terms....even if by some miracle one guy managed a low 11 with it, might as well call it a fluke..hell it's not like with a C6 ZO6 where MANY have recorded 10.9's on street tires and drag radials alike with good drivers..i got a vid on my youtube channel ( i will post vid) of me racing a 700+hp pulley, tuned, exhaust ect (or so he claimed) GT500 that was on drag radials and he ran a 12.1 to my 11.9 ( i spun clearly in the vid) he got the win of course despite my better ET because of my reaction time..my point here..the guy now how his GT500 into the 10's but with alot more mods than when we raced..he has made atleast 100 passes at the drag strip cause i have seen him make many myself since i meet up with him alot on T&T nights...he knows his car well, but with DR's pullley, and tune and one hell of a good launch (as seen in this vid) he STILL only ran a 12.1 to my 11.9..GT500's suck as a drag car unless you are a pro driver on DR"s..then you might hit 11's LOL...you can try to say whatever but i race GT500's ALOT at the track and have only lost to one (while still running a faster time) so no i'm not impressed by GT500's not even a lil bit..not when they cost 50k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fcCCkUAeiM&feature=channel_video_title

You sir, are not very bright.
Your cammed, procharged AUTO LS1 barely edges out a pullied GT500 at a drag strip, whose owner must not be able to drive, and that makes the GT500 over rated. That makes sense.....

There is more to the world than drag racing, and I am sure the owner of the GT500 could go out and buy a 10+year old Ls1 F-boby, lol.

Uh oh, looks like you guys are haters too :lol:

I am humoring selling the GXP for one. I got to sit in the red preproduction car that has been on the web and in mags and loved it. It is truly a heavy-metal beast and puts the emphasis on the muscle in muscle car.

You sir, are not very bright.
Your cammed, procharged AUTO LS1 barely edges out a pullied GT500 at a drag strip, whose owner must not be able to drive, and that makes the GT500 over rated. That makes sense.....

There is more to the world than drag racing, and I am sure the owner of the GT500 could go out and buy a 10+year old Ls1 F-boby, lol.

let me educate you more here on what you are trying to compare between my 99 camaro SS and 2010 GT500, besides just the 11 year age difference

1st off...my car is much faster now but in this race (not the one posted in this reply but the one above) i was still on my wimpy stock 10 bolt rear with 3.23 gears! and only a 3k stall..while the GT500 has a larger rear with more agressive gearing and the ability to launch at a higher rpm than my stall... 2nd of all you say procharger like that automaticly means 300+hp or some shit..it's a P1SC (on of the smallest superchargers ATI makes) and i'm ONLY running- 6 lbs -of boost!!!! while a STOCK GT500 makes 9 lbs of boost and this guy's pullied GT500 was'nt stock so he's making over 11 psi..3rd my car was having major belt slip issues as well as fuel pressure issues during this time period..4th a LS1 was never designed to run with boost but guess what..a GT500 was..and finally..in my car total purchase price and mods together maybe 22k..a new GT500 is 50k plus his atleast 2k in mods SO I FUCKING WIN since i still ran a faster time even after all that shit!!....so let me break it down Barney style for you..my car ran faster with LESS BOOST...LESS GEARING...and cost half the price!...sure buddy..feel good about your GT500 all you want..does'nt stop me from monkey stomping thier asses at the track on a most regular basis...wonder what would happen if woud've had the same amount of boost as the GT500's i have raced..probally beat them even worse! lol..BTW..just to remind you of how much GT500's are'nt very user freindly cars and of how many i have embarassed at the track..here's another vid of me running faster than a GT500..this was an 11.4 to his like 13 something HAHA ..wooooowhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExEScKDFJeU&feature=channel_video_title

let me educate you more here on what you are trying to compare between my 99 camaro SS and 2010 GT500, besides just the 11 year age difference

1st off...my car is much faster now but in this race i was still on my wimpy stock 10 bolt rear with 3.23 gears! and only a 3k stall..while the GT500 has a larger rear with more agressive gearing and the ability to launch at a higher rpm than my stall... 2nd of all you say procharger like that automaticly means 300+hp or some shit..it's a P1SC (on of the smallest superchargers ATI makes) and i'm ONLY running- 6 lbs -of boost!!!! while a STOCK GT500 makes 9 lbs of boost and this guy's pullied GT500 was'nt stock so he's making over 11 psi..3rd my car was having major belt slip issues as well as fuel pressure issues during this time period..4th a LS1 was never designed to run with boost but guess what..a GT500 was..and finally..in my car total purchase price and mods together maybe 22k..a new GT500 is 50k plus his atleast 2k in mods SO I FUCKING WIN since i still ran a faster time even after all that shit!!....so let me break it down Barney style for you..my car ran faster with LESS BOOST...LESS GEARING...and cost half the price!...sure buddy..feel good about your GT500 all you want..does'nt stop me from monkey stomping thier asses at the track on a most regular basis...wonder what would happen if woud've had the same amount of boost as the GT500's i have raced..probally beat them even worse! lol..BTW..just to remind you of how much GT500's are'nt very user freindly cars and of how many i have embarassed at the track..here's another vid of me running faster than a GT500..this was an 11.4 to his like 13 something HAHA ..wooooowhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExEScKDFJeU&feature=channel_video_title

I don't want to bash you, because you have a sweet car and it is very fast. But the whole argument about, "Well my car is faster and it cost me a lot less than this car does stock" is a cheap argument. A ricer with a Civic can buy one for half the cost of an F-body, drop a thousand or two in it and beat a stock F-body easily.

Almost any car, if modded well can beat a more powerful car in stock form.

Now I think the GT500 shines in the handling department, where the 4th Gen Camaros did alright, but not all that great.

let me educate you more here on what you are trying to compare between my 99 camaro SS and 2010 GT500, besides just the 11 year age difference



I don't want to bash you, because you have a sweet car and it is very fast. But the whole argument about, "Well my car is faster and it cost me a lot less than this car does stock" is a cheap argument. A ricer with a Civic can buy one for half the cost of an F-body, drop a thousand or two in it and beat a stock F-body easily.

Almost any car, if modded well can beat a more powerful car in stock form.

Now I think the GT500 shines in the handling department, where the 4th Gen Camaros did alright, but not all that great.

The only people who even think to call me a troll are retards, just gonna go ahead and say that. They have their head so far up their ass that they think anybody critical of a GM product is a hater, and anyone who has ever owned a Mustang is a "Ford guy." As for the low 11s GT500 on tires, they have this thing called Google. You should try it out sometime. And I don't give two shits what you see at your track.

Edit: Here, I did your work for you. This guy bolted up a set of drag rims and slicks, and started practicing. Understand that they new GT500s are considerably quicker than the early cars. Go ahead and get your "well it has hidden mods" excuses ready.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAKgviKzOjs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNhulxLTim8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDX_gV2LOys&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

yeah dude honestly something has to be up here...1st off some of the fastest times recorded even with drag radials were only high 11's wich is the best 99% of the ppl out there will do on thier best of days at the track in perfect weather...and you want me to believe some guy got his to a 11.1 because he "practiced"..so you only have one guy?..does'nt really make the GT500 a low 11 sec car with drag radials just cause he happened to have a few vids made and he claimed it's stock..but did you not notice how fucking hard that thing was squating when he was shifting??..did'nt look like stock gearing shifting to me!..and hell who could honestly tell?..not like anyone is gona bust open his rear just to verify the gearing but if they look under the hood it may look stock but srry bud an 11.1 with just drag radials is bullshit all day long and you should'nt be so gullable as to belive it..average stock times for the new 5.0's on drag radials is low 12's..but if someone made a vid claiming it was stock and they ran a fucking 11.5 would you believe it?..probally so but the rest of us who actually go to the drag strip and race and have seen these cars in action more than our own wives in action are'nt as quick to beleive that bullshit...BTW...what do you drive again?..is'nt that your moms vette in your sig pic?

I don't want to bash you, because you have a sweet car and it is very fast. But the whole argument about, "Well my car is faster and it cost me a lot less than this car does stock" is a cheap argument. A ricer with a Civic can buy one for half the cost of an F-body, drop a thousand or two in it and beat a stock F-body easily.

Almost any car, if modded well can beat a more powerful car in stock form.

Now I think the GT500 shines in the handling department, where the 4th Gen Camaros did alright, but not all that great.

yeah i get where you are coming from there and you are 100% correct..but when ppl try to tell me that it's not impressive that i beat GT500's ( especially modded ones) when they have EVERYTHING better than what my car does then i just get really pissed...they have forged engines..they run more boost..better gearing and they where overall designed from the factory to be very fast...the list goes on...i'm in the Army and i make okay money but i'm not well off enough that i could go buy a GT500 tomorrow and pay 50k cash for it...so when i beat one at the track..especially one that has had even MORE money dropped into it's already 550hp stock setup..well that is a reason for a F body owner to stand up and say ..."FUCK YOU FORD" lol..ppl can say what they want..i go to the drag strip a good bit and i have hundreds of wins over mustangs and the majority of them are highly modded or Termi's or GT500's...i have owned 2 mustangs before back when i was younger and did'nt know what HP meant lol..i like the new 5.0 stangs and the Termi's are pretty strait too..but a GT500..lol...can suck a ballsack with it's 50k pricetag..the ZL1 is about to put it in it's place anyways..it atleast deserves to cost 50k..580hp with electronic suspension and electric power steering and all of the other sweet things it has that the GT500 does'nt

It doesnt annoy me if you like the car or not. It annoys me how self rightous and arrogant you are. You have to argue with everyone about everything, correct the dumbest little things that don't matter in other's posts, and you have to feel like you're "right" all the time. You put other people down and act like you're an expert and your word is final, and anyone who disagrees must have something wrong with them. Your opinions aren't why people call you a troll, it's your attitude.

:judge::judge::judge:

On what planet does a huge blower, all the hardware associated with that, massive diameter wide wheels, massive gumball tires and massive brakes all equal less weight? It weighs what my G8 GXP with 20s weighs and the front tires on the ZL1 are wider than the rears on my GXP. This car is a monster.

I'm still not sure why people would think it would weigh less than the SS. Al oppenheiser said right off the bat it would weight about the same as a fully loaded SS. IMO it is pretty remarkable how little weight they did add with all the extra equipment. The new 20x11 rims w/305 tires weigh less than the current SS's wheels with the 285's. With the use of carbon fiber and leightweight materials throughout the car, if it wasnt for the blower and the rediculous suspension, leather/suede wrapped interior, it'd probably easily weigh less than 4,000 lbs.

ZL1 convertible...now THAT will be a monster! :D


Uh oh, looks like you guys are haters too :lol:

No, they're just stating their opinions. They arent acting like everyone who likes the car needs their head examined.

yeah dude honestly something has to be up here...1st off some of the fastest times recorded even with drag radials were only high 11's wich is the best 99% of the ppl out there will do on thier best of days at the track in perfect weather...and you want me to believe some guy got his to a 11.1 because he "practiced"..so you only have one guy?..does'nt really make the GT500 a low 11 sec car with drag radials just cause he happened to have a few vids made and he claimed it's stock..but did you not notice how fucking hard that thing was squating when he was shifting??..did'nt look like stock gearing shifting to me!..and hell who could honestly tell?..not like anyone is gona bust open his rear just to verify the gearing but if they look under the hood it may look stock but srry bud an 11.1 with just drag radials is bullshit all day long and you should'nt be so gullable as to belive it..average stock times for the new 5.0's on drag radials is low 12's..but if someone made a vid claiming it was stock and they ran a fucking 11.5 would you believe it?..probally so but the rest of us who actually go to the drag strip and race and have seen these cars in action more than our own wives in action are'nt as quick to beleive that bullshit...BTW...what do you drive again?..is'nt that your moms vette in your sig pic?
You can believe whatever you would like. But they have, just like the CTS-V gone bottom 12s off the showroom floor. Maybe even a high 11 or two. And we have no problem believing the CTS-V has done it. You seem to think that what you personally see is the bottom line. And people call me arrogant.

I'm still not sure why people would think it would weigh less than the SS. Al oppenheiser said right off the bat it would weight about the same as a fully loaded SS. IMO it is pretty remarkable how little weight they did add with all the extra equipment. The new 20x11 rims w/305 tires weigh less than the current SS's wheels with the 285's. With the use of carbon fiber and leightweight materials throughout the car, if it wasnt for the blower and the rediculous suspension, leather/suede wrapped interior, it'd probably easily weigh less than 4,000 lbs.

ZL1 convertible...now THAT will be a monster! :D




No, they're just stating their opinions. They arent acting like everyone who likes the car needs their head examined.
Don't know that I have ever dogged somebody for liking it. What I do argue is people trying to knock my preference for the lighter car. I say basically that the ZL1 is just not my style. People wonder why I keep repeating that, but it is obviously for those people who think I am hating on it. Me and LS1LT1 have had our differences, but ask him if he thinks I talk shit about that car. He completely understands what I am talking about.

no IRUNELEVENS, you seem to have me figured out all wrong here..see i go by expereience in drag racing and being around tons of it..i have seen way too many ppl get out there with a stock GT500 with just drag radials or with maybe some other small mods and barely run mid 12's..honestly the new 5.0's are the mustang to fear at the drag strips ( throw a lil boost and some DR's and they will run 10.9's!!) NOT the GT500's..i honestly laugh at them a lil bit much like i do at Hondas..they are similar to me in the fact that some are fast but the majority of them are'nt anything to be scared of..maybe it's just the overall lack of ppl out there who cant' drive their GT500's worth a damn that might be the problem...and i realize that..but it just seems to be way worse in the case of GT500's wich leads me to believe it's not a very user freindly car if it's so hard to get a 550hp car to run mid 12's on a preped drag strip..i HONESTLY would have to let off the gas to make my car run even a 12.0..my high 11's runs are because of me spinning lol..and i'm not making much HP more than a stock GT500 is ..and i honestly find it hard to believe a stock GT500 with just DR's and some drag rims (wich is weight reduction) made it to a 11.1...now i could see maybe an 11.8...but hell man i suppose anything is possible..all i know is when i race them at the track 96% of the time they get thier asses handed to them..i dont' even contribute that to my car being bad ass or whatever..i blame it all on the GT500's..there is no excuse they shoud'nt atleast run side by side with me at the track with DR's on..first few times i raced a GT500 i was nervous..thinking " oh snap a 5.4L DOHC with 9 PSI of boost and drag radials..scary"...only to be left looking in my rear view mirror to count how many car lenghts they are behind me..they are nice cars and very easy to mod and make beast..i just find them to be overpriced and waaay over hyped

yeah i get where you are coming from there and you are 100% correct..but when ppl try to tell me that it's not impressive that i beat GT500's ( especially modded ones) when they have EVERYTHING better than what my car does then i just get really pissed...they have forged engines..they run more boost..better gearing and they where overall designed from the factory to be very fast...the list goes on...i'm in the Army and i make okay money but i'm not well off enough that i could go buy a GT500 tomorrow and pay 50k cash for it...so when i beat one at the track..especially one that has had even MORE money dropped into it's already 550hp stock setup..well that is a reason for a F body owner to stand up and say ..."FUCK YOU FORD" lol..ppl can say what they want..i go to the drag strip a good bit and i have hundreds of wins over mustangs and the majority of them are highly modded or Termi's or GT500's...i have owned 2 mustangs before back when i was younger and did'nt know what HP meant lol..i like the new 5.0 stangs and the Termi's are pretty strait too..but a GT500..lol...can suck a ballsack with it's 50k pricetag..the ZL1 is about to put it in it's place anyways..it atleast deserves to cost 50k..580hp with electronic suspension and electric power steering and all of the other sweet things it has that the GT500 does'nt

Yes, you can make anything fast. It's also a ton easier to drag race an automatic car than it is a 6 speed manual car that make 550wtq right off of idle. A stock 2010+gt500 is a 118-122mph car bone stock. While your car isn't slow, it barely edges out a bolt on car, all be it one that is not set up to run ideally at the strip.
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_0910_2010_ford_shelby_gt500_drag_test/viewall.html

People have run into the 11s on the stock F1 tires. Well set up and well driven cars can run into the 10s @130+mph on the stock blower, not to mention what can happen when you just bolt on a bigger huffer. Interstingly enough, the 2013 GT500 will come witht he bigger blower from the factory ;)

If it makes you feel better, the 2011+ GT500s also come with electronic power steering, but no fancy magnetic suspension. You also get almost 400 extra pounds of steel when purchasing the ZL1, and about 35 less horsepower than the 2013 GT500 will have. Worth the price of admission for sure ;)

Wow, people will always justify their own routes of action. LS1's are a revolutionary motor and still dominate many racing scenes, but this thread is about the ZL1(10 years difference in technology/design, so get up to speed on the thread). I can see where the GT500 gets thrown around but saying that these cars are "SEVERELY overrated" because a few guys going through their midlife crisis goes to the drag strip and don't know how to drive a high torque/horsepower MANUAL transmission car with skinny tires and aggressive gearing is a little ignorant. Nobody is dogging anybody's car, but comparing two cars with completely different transmissions... is irrelevent to anything in this thread. The ZL1 is a beast of a machine from the factory, as is the GT500. Only difference is that ZL1 will easily be more of a novice friendly car, whereas the GT500 takes a true driver to control and maximize it's full potential... end of rant

Edit: 11.59 was published in newspapers on the 2010 GT500 with slicks by MM&FF. GT500's are no joke with a proper driver mod.

Wow, people will always justify their own routes of action. LS1's are a revolutionary motor and still dominate many racing scenes, but this thread is about the ZL1(10 years difference in technology/design, so get up to speed on the thread). I can see where the GT500 gets thrown around but saying that these cars are "SEVERELY overrated" because a few guys going through their midlife crisis goes to the drag strip and don't know how to drive a high torque/horsepower MANUAL transmission car with skinny tires and aggressive gearing is a little ignorant. Nobody is dogging anybody's car, but comparing two cars with completely different transmissions... is irrelevent to anything in this thread. The ZL1 is a beast of a machine from the factory, as is the GT500. Only difference is that ZL1 will easily be more of a novice friendly car, whereas the GT500 takes a true driver to control and maximize it's full potential... end of rant

Edit: 11.59 was published in newspapers on the 2010 GT500 with slicks by MM&FF. GT500's are no joke with a proper driver mod.

Oh look, another person that gets it :wavey:

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_0910_2010_ford_shelby_gt500_drag_test/viewall.htmlEdit: 11.59 was published in newspapers on the 2010 GT500 with slicks by MM&FF. GT500's are no joke with a proper driver mod.Yup, Evan Smith is one of the greats. :nod: I've been to a couple of private track rentals that he was at as well, one of them was when he testing the 'then new' 2003 Mustang Cobra (running 12.2s with a few 'free mods'). :burn:

evan smith can drive his ass off. he has one of the best jobs.

it's just a shame a GT500 seems to be such at the mercy of the driver to even be considered a average threat at the drag strip...to return to the subject the thread is about..should be interesting to see the GT500 vs the ZL1...