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3pedals
10-28-2011, 06:47 PM
I was just flipping through my latest summit cataloge, and I see this Mallory Firestorm LS ignition. From the breif discription in the book, it looks pretty good, even has 21st century usb cable technology, lol
Anyone have any real info on this thing? mallory pt # 69050s, 69100s, there is NOTHING online at mallory's site?????
there are also 2 race aplications listed but no details?


Red94SS
10-29-2011, 12:06 AM
I am curious about this ignition myself.

topbrent
10-29-2011, 04:26 AM
Here is the Mallory Data Sheet:

http://prestoliteweb.com/npds/2011/mallory/Mallory_FireStorm_LS_Street_Ignition_NPDS_69050S_6 9100S.pdf


S10xGN
10-29-2011, 07:08 PM
What the h%ll is a "60-2" reluctor ? ? ?

team39763
10-29-2011, 07:10 PM
Maybe it means sixty minus two (58 tooth reluctor). My best guess anyway. I wonder who's selling these right now?


Edit: Duh! SummitRacing.

I also see the Racing model has data acquisition while the street model doesn't.

thirdgenbum
10-29-2011, 10:03 PM
Mallory Ignition Sucks...the end

ZONES89RS
10-30-2011, 08:11 AM
Did not like the price, but i noticed these the other day and want more details. There are some decent features, but i am not going to stop using MSD equipment any time soon to try that stuff.

crossbreed383
10-30-2011, 09:47 AM
you guys should dyno some stuff before making ignorant coments "like this ignition sucks"
MSD stuff breaks just as much as anything out there
Also everyone has been waiting for a cost effective igntion for ls engines with data logging and individula timing control and when one comes out,people are already complaining about it even though NOBODY even has tried one yet!

RibeiroBJJ
10-30-2011, 09:52 AM
you guys should dyno some stuff before making ignorant coments "like this ignition sucks"
MSD stuff breaks just as much as anything out there
Also everyone has been waiting for a cost effective igntion for ls engines with data logging and individula timing control and when one comes out,people are already complaining about it even though NOBODY even has tried one yet!

:judge: X2 Well Said

thirdgenbum
10-30-2011, 12:34 PM
Having used mallory ignition products in the past with terrible results and worse customer service, my opinion of the company as a whole stands, regardless of your thoughts on my statement.

ZONES89RS
10-30-2011, 04:31 PM
you guys should dyno some stuff before making ignorant coments "like this ignition sucks"
MSD stuff breaks just as much as anything out there
Also everyone has been waiting for a cost effective igntion for ls engines with data logging and individula timing control and when one comes out,people are already complaining about it even though NOBODY even has tried one yet!

Calm down, everyone has opinions about products, ect, and not everyone will like it or agree. But with the lack of data on the new product, we do not know. It might shine and be a great piece for those looking for more, or just be over priced. Time will tell.

crossbreed383
10-30-2011, 04:59 PM
Calm down, everyone has opinions about products, ect, and not everyone will like it or agree. But with the lack of data on the new product, we do not know. It might shine and be a great piece for those looking for more, or just be over priced. Time will tell.


I am very calm
But if i had a dollar from every person on here who asks about stuff on a Monday and is a expert on the same topic onTuesday, id have a 8 sec car instead of a 9 sec car lol
Like you stated,time will tell how this NEW product NOONE has used or SEEN yet, will work, yet opinions are there
some should listen and watch more instead of commenting blindly
There seems to be a rash of that around this place:bs:

cruisin'73
10-30-2011, 05:01 PM
Glad to see some competition in the LS ignition control market! Competiton mean development and that means better products for the consumer.

Dynamic tuning capability would be pretty sweet, but I did see on the spec sheet that the foot print on this thing is 15.4"Wide X 9.75" Tall X 6.25" Deep. That seems massive compared to the MSD box isn't it? You wouldn't be manifold mounting that beef cake! HHMM, perhaps the measurements are in Centimeters, that would be a little more proportional!

Hope some one picks one up soon!

TXoldskool
10-30-2011, 08:22 PM
would like to hear someone who has one's feedback on this...

thirdgenbum
10-30-2011, 09:47 PM
I am very calm
But if i had a dollar from every person on here who asks about stuff on a Monday and is a expert on the same topic onTuesday, id have a 8 sec car instead of a 9 sec car lol
Like you stated,time will tell how this NEW product NOONE has used or SEEN yet, will work, yet opinions are there
some should listen and watch more instead of commenting blindly
There seems to be a rash of that around this place:bs:

since when have i asked a question on one day, and been an expert by the next? seems i'm not the only one throwing "ignorant" posts around...

crossbreed383
10-30-2011, 10:21 PM
since when have i asked a question on one day, and been an expert by the next? seems i'm not the only one throwing "ignorant" posts around...

I dont remember using anyones specific name
Just in general is all i'm saying
But saying something sucks before youve ever even seen it in use for YOURSELF (because you know that story about my buddys one friend ,that one time said he used it ,and it didnt work,because some poeople cant get the light to come in the fridge, let alone the one in their head, lol)does seem pretty silly to me

Are we a little self conscience?

The bottom line is, as well a job as the msd unit may do,its pretty lame and has a shit ton of room for improvement
Besides,that new carb you bought may like a new stronger igntion box to go along with it;)

NemeSS
10-31-2011, 12:11 AM
Idk, maybe I misread it but I don't think it works like the 6010 or 6012. Doesn't fire the coils, I think it's something else. But idk. Also not a fan of Mallory ignition products, however there 4309 fpr works excellent

thirdgenbum
10-31-2011, 09:55 AM
I dont remember using anyones specific name
Just in general is all i'm saying
But saying something sucks before youve ever even seen it in use for YOURSELF (because you know that story about my buddys one friend ,that one time said he used it ,and it didnt work,because some poeople cant get the light to come in the fridge, let alone the one in their head, lol)does seem pretty silly to me

Are we a little self conscience?

The bottom line is, as well a job as the msd unit may do,its pretty lame and has a shit ton of room for improvement
Besides,that new carb you bought may like a new stronger igntion box to go along with it;)

while i agree that the msd ignition can be improved upon, like having a step retard as a function of time instead of a function of rpm being one thing i could really use, along with data logging capabilities would be nice too.

however, my opinion of them is not based on some redneck's experience. it's based on my own. i had one of their boxes when i had a gen I motor in the car. bought the distributor and coil they recommended too. spent a whole afternoon putting it in the car, following the instructions to the letter. when i experienced problems within 3 miles of driving the car, i checked and rechecked everything on the install, and in the instructions. after much scrutiny, i opted to call their tech line. i was met with sarcasm and belittlement. after much patience, and entertaining the guys ideas, trying everything he told me, i finally told the guy he was full of shit and took my entire ignition system off and took it back. after that bad experience, i'm not currently interested in entertaining the idea of using their ignition products any time soon.

my opinion stands: Mallory Ignition is the suck!

what i'm hoping comes from this is that msd will see the new system, and try to make something a little more expandable themselves. i'd really like to see some of the features of the 7531 in a box for an ls1 w/ coils. i'd also like to see more reliability above 8000 rpm. i don't particularly want to drop the coil on a distributor setup.

msd's tech dept is much easier to deal with in my experience too.

jgillen91
10-31-2011, 10:26 AM
Does all the step rev limits have to be adjusted by chips, usb, or dials?. Can find anything on it. Sounds like it all needs to be adjusted by usb connection.

crossbreed383
11-03-2011, 03:22 PM
Called and spoke to Mallory today
Box is meant to be used in stand alone mode ,but has no harness available yet
There is suppose to be a plug and play harness offered in near future i was told
So there you have it
Let the hating begin lol

3pedals
11-03-2011, 07:57 PM
the only thing I dont like as of now is the price, thats 1/3'd the way to a holley hp efi setup

Pop N Wood
11-07-2011, 04:55 AM
Always nice to have options. Love seeing the carb'd LS aftermarket expand.

The data sheet says the measurements are in inches, so big mofo. The MSD box lets you update tunes on a running engine, I have done it, so not sure what the Mallory might be doing differently.

This box looks like it has some expanded capability. Looks like it is being geared toward higher end users.

But then again, it is only Monday. i will know more tomorrow :)

GC99TA
11-07-2011, 04:48 PM
Hey guys, I snapped some pics of the new Mallory box at SEMA last week. I wasn't able to get any further information other than what's already out there, but figured a few pics would be a little helpful. I wish I could have held something up next to it for size reference, but it was behind a glass case. Suffice it to say though, it's pretty large as the measurements would indicate.

http://i929.photobucket.com/albums/ad137/glcropp/SEMA%202011/013.jpg

http://i929.photobucket.com/albums/ad137/glcropp/SEMA%202011/012.jpg

If anyone would like to see the rest of me SEMA pics, the album is here: SEMA PICS (http://s929.photobucket.com/albums/ad137/glcropp/SEMA%202011/) But haters beware......it's mostly GM/LS stuff, but there are also some quality Ford and Mopar pics, as well as some auto industry "celebs". Enjoy.

crossbreed383
11-08-2011, 01:37 PM
Wow is all i can say
If that thing really controls all those outputs and data logs to boot,
I dont now how they could sell it so cheap?

3pedals
11-08-2011, 06:57 PM
what is the price on the pro unit?

thirdgenbum
11-08-2011, 07:31 PM
nice...wished i had faith in the reliability of their parts :(

Black&White
11-08-2011, 08:08 PM
what is the price on the pro unit?

Summit has it as either $649.99 or $699.99 on their website, depending on which engine you have. The non-pro unit is $425.99 or $449.95.

3pedals
11-08-2011, 09:47 PM
Sorry, but for that price, I will be going with the Holley EFI

AINT SKEERED
11-09-2011, 09:35 AM
I don't trust the holly units, I had 4 of their ignition box's not work in one day. I was on the phone with their tech guys and they were very helpful but still no fore to my gen1 383. I finally took it back and got an MSD that worked the first time.
Point is, they can all screw up. Mallory comp9000 deatributor has served me well. I don't have a problem with the price of the pro unit as it has many capability's .

I am thinking of converting my Nova to carb. It's a race only setup .

carpro
11-09-2011, 04:21 PM
Mallory FireStorm is 21st century ignition breakthrough that will take MSD 3 years to catch up to and by then Mallory will have another great product coming out for MSD to look at.

This is not a me too type ignition and no one has anything like it period.
Here is the bottom line.

POWER
Energy output of 150 millijoules (mJ), compared to the industry standard of 135 mJ (CD Box Only)
1,000+ horsepower capacity
12,500 RPM range
Operating voltage from 9-18 Volts
Primary voltage of 550 Volts and a secondary voltage of 55,000 Volts

PRECISION
Internal integrated data logging system (no computer needed) and 2 MB of internal memory*
3D Individual cylinder timing maps*
Multiple 3D timing maps
Ignition signal profiles that can read any stock or aftermarket triggering signal
36-1 high-resolution crank trigger technology for conventional single or multi coil applications
(*For Pro version only.)

CONTROL
Boost timing control up to 60 PSI
Programmable sensor-driven launch control with timers
Nitrous oxide timing control
Two cooling fans and fuel pump control*
Three engine RPM limiters
Shift light control
Sensor inputs for precise engine operation. MAP up to 5 BAR
(TPS-IAT- ECT*)
Sensor-driven auxiliary outputs switch*
(*For Pro version only.)

STREET Box
Dashboard screen for easy lookup
4, 6 or 8 cylinders
7 ignition type input selections
Shift light output
Tachometer output
Built-in system diagnostics with limp-home technology
Malfunction indicator
Maximum RPM limiting
2-step and 3-step RPM limiters
Manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor input for 3D timing tables, boost timing control, 1 to 5 BAR
Idle spark control
Launch control
Coil on Plug capability
RPM based adjustable dwell control
Voltage based adjustable dwell for low battery conditions

PRO Box (Includes all of the Street features plus)
Fuel pump, adjustable prime time and safety shutoff
Wide Band O2 monitor
Two vehicle speed input types
Engine coolant and air temperature sensor inputs
Throttle position sensor input
Auxiliary outputs switch via MAP, TPS and RPM
3D individual cylinder timing control
3D timing maps
3D timing single retard function
Radiator fan primary and secondary controls
Internal data logging with graphical display, 100 Sample a second and 2 MB memory

Be happy to answer questions, also go to www.malloryfirestorm.com

Eli

thirdgenbum
11-10-2011, 08:30 AM
It's almost like a digital 7 and a racepak all in one. What kind of dash screen options are you offering?

ATwelveSec02Z28
11-10-2011, 09:18 AM
It's almost like a digital 7 and a racepak all in one. What kind of dash screen options are you offering?

Considering the PowerGrid in the replacement for the Dig 7....


This has nothing on the PowerGrid w/Racepak.

The way I see it is, the 6010 box is a great street/strip box for a great price, plug n play.


If you want race car parts - distributor and a 7531 or powergrid is a tried and proven high HP race system.

This Mallory system falls in between - in a gray zone I personally dont trust OEM crank sensors and reluctor wheels.

carpro
11-10-2011, 10:47 AM
We have a Dashboard type screen that has you typical gauges.
Tach - MPH - Driveshaft Speed - Current timing - TPS - Coolant and air Temp if sensors are used - Battery Voltage etc.
all other screen are function specific.

carpro
11-10-2011, 11:05 AM
Not looking to go up against POWER GRID.
FireStorm is design to fill the void between the 6A type box and the 7 type box.

If your making more that 1200HP, than FireStorm is not for you. Making less than 1200HP, it would be a waist of money to purchase a 7 or P GRID as they will never be used to their full capabilities.
Plus FireStorm can be used on the street, cant do that with P GRID or DIG7 without over heating the box and cause a failure.

thirdgenbum
11-10-2011, 11:43 AM
have any pics of the dash setup? would it physically fit in a 4th gen dash opening?

do you have some of these in actual cars testing longevity and reliability?

speedtigger
11-10-2011, 11:49 AM
Damn. Not just an ignition box then. This badboy can run the fans, fuel pumps, data logging. Seems like an awful lot for $600.

carpro
11-10-2011, 04:13 PM
Dash is a screen that can be viewed in the laptop. An actual touch screen that can be mounted on the dash board of a vehicle will follow later.

LSxChevelle
11-10-2011, 05:16 PM
Sweet, supports my 12,500 rpm goal! Lol

Definitely seems capable of a lot...

Pop N Wood
11-10-2011, 07:35 PM
To use the individual cylinder option, then you must need to use individual coils per cylinder, correct? If you use the stockers than the ignition box is only outputting a 5v trigger signal, so some of the stated benefits of hotter output is not really applicable.

Beeterolds
11-11-2011, 03:27 PM
Sorry guys, but I have O faith in their products since Prestolite bought Mr. Gasket a few yrs back.. I was going to get a job making Hurst Shifters here in Cleveland but Im glad I didnt a few months after they shipped their plants to China..

Check it out... Most of Accel's products once made here now Chinesium... Including hurst shifters, and most of Mr. Gaskets products sans most of their actual gaskets...

I'd fear Mallory may be in the same boat.. However something that technical and expensive hopefully may be crafted here in the states...

I understand a lot of MSD's products are now China made.. but fortunately their boxes are still thankfully made here.. so ill spend the 300 bucks on the 6010 box thank you very much!! Good thread tho guys!

carpro
11-14-2011, 02:38 PM
FireStorm can control timing per cylinder whether you have a single coil - 8 conventional coils or 8 Smart coils.

carpro
11-14-2011, 02:52 PM
Sorry guys, but I have O faith in their products since Prestolite bought Mr. Gasket a few yrs back.. I was going to get a job making Hurst Shifters here in Cleveland but Im glad I didnt a few months after they shipped their plants to China..

Check it out... Most of Accel's products once made here now Chinesium... Including hurst shifters, and most of Mr. Gaskets products sans most of their actual gaskets...

I'd fear Mallory may be in the same boat.. However something that technical and expensive hopefully may be crafted here in the states...

I understand a lot of MSD's products are now China made.. but fortunately their boxes are still thankfully made here.. so ill spend the 300 bucks on the 6010 box thank you very much!! Good thread tho guys!
FYI

Hurst is owed by B&M Shifters since 2007.

As to what is made or not made in China, well that's a loaded question, as many electronic components are made in china and elsewhere overseas.

Even companies the supply our military are finding out that made in USA is not what it once was. Drop the link into your browser and read the article. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/made-in-china-u-s-military-finding-fake-chinese-electronics-in-gear-at-alarming-rate/

Lets face it, it is a global economy and burying our head in the sand wont change it.

Your computer your using to read this is 90%+ made in China!!!

S10xGN
11-14-2011, 06:41 PM
FYI

Hurst is owed by B&M Shifters since 2007.

As to what is made or not made in China, well that's a loaded question, as many electronic components are made in china and elsewhere overseas.

Even companies the supply our military are finding out that made in USA is not what it once was. Drop the link into your browser and read the article. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/made-in-china-u-s-military-finding-fake-chinese-electronics-in-gear-at-alarming-rate/

Lets face it, it is a global economy and burying our head in the sand wont change it.

Your computer your using to read this is 90%+ made in China!!!

Slightly off topic, but... The only problem I have with made in "fill-in-the-blank" is that America becomes so dependent on these overseas products that given a disruption in the supply chain, everything goes to hell in a hand basket (i.e. WW III). We'll be somebody's butt-boy when the smoke clears! :punch: OK, I'm through ranting...

tennerv8
11-16-2011, 11:22 AM
Sorry guys, but I have O faith in their products since Prestolite bought Mr. Gasket a few yrs back.. I was going to get a job making Hurst Shifters here in Cleveland but Im glad I didnt a few months after they shipped their plants to China..

Check it out... Most of Accel's products once made here now Chinesium... Including hurst shifters, and most of Mr. Gaskets products sans most of their actual gaskets...

I'd fear Mallory may be in the same boat.. However something that technical and expensive hopefully may be crafted here in the states...

I understand a lot of MSD's products are now China made.. but fortunately their boxes are still thankfully made here.. so ill spend the 300 bucks on the 6010 box thank you very much!! Good thread tho guys!

I bet you couldnt find five electronic items in your house that are usa made.

Beeterolds
11-16-2011, 08:42 PM
I bet you couldnt find five electronic items in your house that are usa made.

Five? I bet I can't find one!!! Guess what.. whether or not these electronic items are Chinese doesn't matter to me... Its im driving a car and I have to rely on a critical part a possible China made part keeping me from becoming stranded!!! Can I trust its reliability? Or is it the fact that I'd feel better knowing an American worker assembled it? I dunno... On the same basis as would you put china ball joints on your car? Or spend some extra cash on the Moogs.. (all though you have to watch where their made too)

It boils down to opinion I guess.. Id rather keep as much $$$ here in the country as I can, but today in a world economy thats hard to do anymore.

Beeterolds
11-16-2011, 08:46 PM
FYI

Hurst is owed by B&M Shifters since 2007.

As to what is made or not made in China, well that's a loaded question, as many electronic components are made in china and elsewhere overseas.

Even companies the supply our military are finding out that made in USA is not what it once was. Drop the link into your browser and read the article. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/made-in-china-u-s-military-finding-fake-chinese-electronics-in-gear-at-alarming-rate/

Lets face it, it is a global economy and burying our head in the sand wont change it.

Your computer your using to read this is 90%+ made in China!!!

Somewhere around that time frame I was going thru the interview process and then I had a gut feeling to pull the plug.. good thing I did

AINT SKEERED
01-13-2012, 06:52 PM
Any more information out yet with this firestorm system?

TXoldskool
01-13-2012, 08:24 PM
I'm getting more interested in the Atomic EFI by MSD the more I read.

AINT SKEERED
01-13-2012, 10:16 PM
I'm getting more interested in the Atomic EFI by MSD the more I read.

I have not heard of that one

TXoldskool
01-14-2012, 09:08 PM
its at http://www.atomicefi.com/


http://www.atomicefi.com/images/A-Home_06.jpg
http://www.atomicefi.com/images/A-Home_11.jpg
http://www.atomicefi.com/images/A-Home_12.jpg

AINT SKEERED
02-11-2012, 11:18 AM
Any updates on the firestorm
?

The MSD Atomic does look interesting if I decide to Go back fuel injected but for now I'm interested in the firestorm pro

dorealdeal
08-16-2012, 02:59 PM
I was checking this out as well for my 8.1. Just a bit pricy though. Does MSD even make a box that will work with a coil on plug setup? Mallory has been around for a long time. While I've always used MSD, I wouldn't not try this if its the only one for coil on plug. Somebody has to be buying their stuff or they wouldn't be around.

thirdgenbum
08-19-2012, 09:33 PM
atomic does not do timing from what i'm to understand, so you could just run the msd 6010 box for timing, and the atomic for fueling i suppose....

jwatts
08-20-2012, 09:26 AM
atomic does not do timing from what i'm to understand, so you could just run the msd 6010 box for timing, and the atomic for fueling i suppose....

I was under the impression that the Atomic would do both. After reading up on it some more it will not. The 6010 would run the timing, and the Atomic would run the fueling. The only interface between the 2 is the tach input on the Atomic.

1QuickT-A
10-22-2012, 02:11 PM
mallory blows ass.....

ZONES89RS
10-22-2012, 03:36 PM
Tell us how you really feel.