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Old 10-29-2011, 02:28 AM
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Default ls3 edelbrock vic jr. fast 102mm tb and elbow vs 4 hole tb

Im in the process of dropping a lq4/l92 heads in my 67 camaro and wanted to know what set up will be best for my dd camaro.Ill be buying a vic jr and dont know if a 4 hole tb is right for me, at the moment i have a fast 102mm tb and really dont know what i want or whats a good set up for my car and i need a little help.future plans are to drop a ls3 418ci

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4 hole set the air intake up like a carb.

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Whats a good tb for street use??
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I'm lookin into the same..Vic Jr on my MCSS.. look into a Accufab 4150 TB.
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Is there any dyno type stuff on back to back intake changes with EFI? Like Fast, vs Vic Jr with 102mm, vs Vic Jr with Accufab?
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Originally Posted by FormulaZR
Is there any dyno type stuff on back to back intake changes with EFI? Like Fast, vs Vic Jr with 102mm, vs Vic Jr with Accufab?
yeah thats what i was looking for.since i already have the 102mm tb i was planning to use it on a vic jr intake with elbow,but since i hear alot of people make more power with vic jr and 4150 tb im going that direction im still looking to see if theres actualy any dyno numbers to back this up.
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X3 on that..I want to see some numbers besides the 4hp gains from the $1200+ fast setups..
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Here's what I would like to see on a non-max effort engine:

Fast 90/90
Fast LSX RT 102/102
Vic Jr w/ 90mm
Vic Jr w/ 102mm
Vic Jr w/ 4150 TB
Super Vic w/ 90mm
Super Vic w/ 102mm
Super Vic w/ 4150 TB


All out of the box with no porting...
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Originally Posted by FormulaZR
Here's what I would like to see on a non-max effort engine:

Fast 90/90
Fast LSX RT 102/102
Vic Jr w/ 90mm
Vic Jr w/ 102mm
Vic Jr w/ 4150 TB
Super Vic w/ 90mm
Super Vic w/ 102mm
Super Vic w/ 4150 TB


All out of the box with no porting...
Send about $10,000 to texas speed or vengance. Theyll do it for you.

Ive done a lot of testing with FAST and Edlebrock intakes on various engines. The results are fairly typical on any engine. FAST is much better for street/strip, the edelbrocks are better for drag race only because they loose 40-50ftlb below 5500rpm.

The edelbrocks wouldnt be a good choice here assuming this is a typical 67 camaro driven on the street most of the time. They are an even worse choice when coupled with the large runner l92 heads, it will be very mushy at low speed driving.

Your enjoyment of your vehicle depends on your combination. I would rethink your options, and i dont even know what cam your planning on running yet.
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Originally Posted by SweetS10V8
Send about $10,000 to texas speed or vengance. Theyll do it for you.

Ive done a lot of testing with FAST and Edlebrock intakes on various engines. The results are fairly typical on any engine. FAST is much better for street/strip, the edelbrocks are better for drag race only because they loose 40-50ftlb below 5500rpm.

The edelbrocks wouldnt be a good choice here assuming this is a typical 67 camaro driven on the street most of the time. They are an even worse choice when coupled with the large runner l92 heads, it will be very mushy at low speed driving.

Your enjoyment of your vehicle depends on your combination. I would rethink your options, and i dont even know what cam your planning on running yet.

So...what about on a 383 LS1 that is going to be at 5800-6100 rpm in a boat?? Power below 5500 is adequate with a Super Vic carbed intake (meaning as long as it didn't drop going to the EFI, I wouldn't need more).
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Originally Posted by FormulaZR
So...what about on a 383 LS1 that is going to be at 5800-6100 rpm in a boat?? Power below 5500 is adequate with a Super Vic carbed intake (meaning as long as it didn't drop going to the EFI, I wouldn't need more).
In that rpm range they will perform fairly equally. The edlebrock will make more power than the fast in the 6500+ rpm range.

Everyone wants more torque, more power, more gas mileage, more overall efficiancy in any rpm range. If you never see more than 6100rpm I would run the FAST. Its simply a better combination, even the right cam for a boat would help.

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The op did not go into detail of what the car was being used for. He did say he had plans of a 418 with ls3 heads. So depending on what the application is would determine the best intake set up. As previously posted if its a street car then the fast set ups are great. But I have used a single plane on a 402 Stroker with ls3 heads and it made enough torque that it just blew the tires off. So using a single plane might be better anyways with a Stroker. As far as the 4bbl or 1bbl tb debate. It really depends on the elbow you use as far as the power goes. 4bbl tbs seem to be easier to tune and get to idle well with bigger camshafts.
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plus 1 on that. how much torque do u need with street tires. im running a very mild stock cube ls3 in my 72 camaro, small comp lsr269 cam w a vic jr. im running the fast ez efi. at half throttle, first gear in the 2004r tranny is useless and and when it goes to second, the car pitches into drifter stance. again, this happens way below peek torque at half throttle, shifting around 4000 rpm on a 275-40-17 with both wheels spinning (no one tire fire). throttle response is great, no mush. just my 2 pennies.
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THe thing your missing, is WOT isnt the only thing that matters. Most of the time when your driving your not "smoking the tires".

Most of my fun is leaving the light quickly, but not being obnoxious to the rest of the community. I love how quick I can accelerate, at very low throttle, and never burn the tires.
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A Vic on a LS1 is going to hinder that low end alot more than if it was on a Stroker..cubes help to keep the bottom end there.
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Originally Posted by SweetS10V8
THe thing your missing, is WOT isnt the only thing that matters. Most of the time when your driving your not "smoking the tires".

Most of my fun is leaving the light quickly, but not being obnoxious to the rest of the community. I love how quick I can accelerate, at very low throttle, and never burn the tires.
i used the half throttle just as an example of my combos available torque at tip in. a lite touch of the throttle moves the car out very well with no tire spin. im not here for a debate and i whole heartedly agree that fast set up is much better for lowend torque. my only point was even a mild gen iv ls w the wrong intake will overwelm the average street tire, so whats the point of more torque. put some sticky rubber on and its a different story all together.
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Exactly..if I'm goin lite to lite racing I'm bringing the Radials..
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yes sir ! my little 68 camaro wears the mt's all the time. freaks um out when they see daylite under the skinnies ! gotta getum warm first though.
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Originally Posted by newschool72
my only point was even a mild gen iv ls w the wrong intake will overwelm the average street tire, so whats the point of more torque. put some sticky rubber on and its a different story all together.
Theres never enough torque, just not enough tire......
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L92 EFI Vic Jr installed on my 408..I'm in the tuning stages of it now.










I wonder how many other people have this Intake..I kinda had to custom mount the Fuel Rails with the supplied parts..they werent direct fit. It's on there tho and running.


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