Street Racing & Kill Stories - puppy kicking, lite bolt on ss vs. bolt on c5

was out last night while at drill, and ran across a 00 ss. I got caught by a light and he caught up to me after I left wal mart. To see if he was game I waited until we rounded the turn, and puched it. ran out 3rd gear and then pulled off at a gas station. Talked to the guy for a while then we decided for a controlled race, so we hit the mexican freeway. We went from a 30, I put 4-5 on him fairly easily. Same result from 40 roll.

His mods 00 ss (ls1 intake)
cat back
predator tune
think he might have had some sneaky un mentioned mods....:secret2:

my mods 01 c5
long tube header with high flow cats
cat back
cold air
mail order tune.

punting dog puppy kicker

I'm surprised you put that many cars on him

I would bet those were his real mods if you truly put 4+ on him.

it was a solid 4 cars. That was my first race in the new car with a f body, so I wasnt sure exactly how it should have turned out. The only other time ive raced a ls1 ss was in my lt1 ta, but that was an entirely different car....

just for a comparison you can look at my other posts, a heads and cam ls1 gto only put a car on me...for such a heavy car that gto moved on out.

no offense man but maybe he couldnt drive if you put that many lengths on him a c5 and an fbody and a pretty good race mod for mod seeing as they have the same power but the vetter is just a tad bit lighter. dont be surprised if the next bolt on fbody hangs or beats you good races though

no offense man but maybe he couldnt drive if you put that many lengths on him a c5 and an fbody and a pretty good race mod for mod seeing as they have the same power but the vetter is just a tad bit lighter. dont be surprised if the next bolt on fbody hangs or beats you good races though

Really :chug: Bolt-on vs bolt-on the vette will win everytime! The vettes lighter wieght and aero makes for more top end pull, my C5 was much faster compared to my 4th gen mod for mod. Bolt-on Vs Bolt-on the 4th gen will hang there but unless the vettes driven like shit you know whos gonna take it.

Really :chug: Bolt-on vs bolt-on the vette will win everytime! The vettes lighter wieght and aero makes for more top end pull, my C5 was much faster compared to my 4th gen mod for mod. Bolt-on Vs Bolt-on the 4th gen will hang there but unless the vettes driven like shit you know whos gonna take it.

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Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. A C5 with lets say LTs, X-pipe, catback, intake and a tune vs. a F-Body with a LT's, Intake, Y pipe, catback and a tune would be a very good race, Straight axle cars tend to transfer quite a bit harder than IRS cars as well.

Stock and mod for mod they are within 1 car length of each other... Winning car will have several different variables come in.

From a dig it probably would have been a little closer but from a roll the outcome is what I would have expected. Maybe the SS was an auto as well...that would have vette lunch written all over it. I know my TA will give my Z06 a good fight to about 50, after that it's over big time.

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Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. A C5 with lets say LTs, X-pipe, catback, intake and a tune vs. a F-Body with a LT's, Intake, Y pipe, catback and a tune would be a very good race, Straight axle cars tend to transfer quite a bit harder than IRS cars as well.

Stock and mod for mod they are within 1 car length of each other... Winning car will have several different variables come in.

:nod: Good kill OP, but as said it might turn out differently next time.

Same here, very good run, but I'm a bit surprised you pulled him that hard too.

The SS was probably an auto with stock stall.

The SS was probably an auto with stock stall.

ss was a 6 speed car. his car also has a ls1 intake. but im also a very good driver, most of the time my car sounds like an auto when im out racing. This is why I beat him by that much. For the record here is what my car ran with very little bolt ons and in 95* weather. all it had was headers, high flow cats, cat back and stock tune. da was in the +2000 range. i was on 285/35/18 nexen street tires.

60' - 2.167
330 - 5.625
1/8 - 8.436
MPH - 88.25
1000 - 10.836
1/4 - 12.887
MPH - 110.91

That's right around what my auto ran this summer, 1800' DA, 90 degree temps, only mods being a street tune, lid, and cat-back. It went 12.72 at 108 on a 1.97 60'. 1/8th was an 8.3 at 87 mph.

That LS1 intake definitely hurts, but not 4 cars bad. You definitely out drove him. Not saying you shouldn't beat an LS1 F-Body mod for mod, just not THAT bad, lol.

Ok so now we know why you put 4 cars on him. Two 6 spds fighting it out. Then your what 200lbs lighter? I would say thats enough for 2-3 car lengths right there considering your lighter no?

Weight plays more of a crucial role out of the hole. 200 lb from a roll is worth a car ir so. My track time was with me spinning all through first and most of second. Look at my 60'. Ive got radials now and im going this sat. So i should be able to roll off some very low 12s

I've had plenty of fun with vette's at the local 1/8th mile, unless they are heavily modded it's always a drivers' race. I usually take the stock/comparable ones down *shrug*. Always a good race though, last modded one I raced was a fender to fender brawl from start line to finish line with a couple transfers in between :drive:

SO nice kill, but don't let that make you think most similiar f-bodies will be as easy of a kill. And have fun at the track with those radials! I just got some nittos but haven't gotten out to the track with them yet... boo for 10pg papers every weekend... =/

This thread..... :bang:

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Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. A C5 with lets say LTs, X-pipe, catback, intake and a tune vs. a F-Body with a LT's, Intake, Y pipe, catback and a tune would be a very good race, Straight axle cars tend to transfer quite a bit harder than IRS cars as well.

Actually I know quite a bit about what I am talking about, he ran from a roll if you didnt get that part. I didnt say anything about a 1/4 mile race, from a roll mod for mod the vette is going to win. End of story. In the 1/4 the 4th gen does have a launch advantage and thats why it makes for a good race, the edge still goes to the vette.

I'll tell you what I experienced with a 97' c5. My teacher at the hall and I raced one night going home stock vs stock.(both autos) After 100mph is when he started to pull ever so slightly. Then he got full exhaust and pulled again after 100mph but a bit more steady this time. With my current work we raced and I got him by 1 1/2 by 100mph and was pulling a little bit at a time. Definitely I would have held him off.

With Irs and crap stock tires it most certainly doesn't have the edge on average.

Wow so from 98-2002 the cheaper 4th gen camaro firebird was the faster car or just as fast as the mighty corvette in the same years! LMAO because you know GM would let that happen... no to mention I owned a 2000 C5 it was definitly faster then my 98 4th gen stock for stock, not by alot but it was! But who knows this is ls1 tech, and nothing can beat a 4th gen not even a vette LOL!

You're talking about cars that weigh within 200 lbs of each other, that have the same engine and transmission. One has the slightest of advantages from a dig, one has a slightly larger advantage at higher (100mph+) speeds. The F-bodies even occasionally put more power down because of their simpler drivetrain. So yes, the F-body was either even with or close behind the Corvette. GM handicapped the F-body with the factory horsepower rating, which is all that was necessary.

I'll tell you what I experienced with a 97' c5. My teacher at the hall and I raced one night going home stock vs stock.(both autos) After 100mph is when he started to pull ever so slightly. Then he got full exhaust and pulled again after 100mph but a bit more steady this time. With my current work we raced and I got him by 1 1/2 by 100mph and was pulling a little bit at a time. Definitely I would have held him off.

That sounds about right. I've owned my car for 12 years and raced countless C5s at the track and on the street. I pulled a C5 A4 on the highway to the top of fourth and a close friend of mine had a stock 98 C5 M6. I had a lid and was able to pull on him from a 50 roll with both of us in second. We didn't go much past the top of third, but he never stopped my slow pull. Same dyno on the same day, my car usually put down about 5 rwhp more than a C5 with identical mods. The minimal weight difference and the difference in drivetrain efficiency seems to make them a dead heat until the speeds get way up there.

That sounds about right. I've owned my car for 12 years and raced countless C5s at the track and on the street. I pulled a C5 A4 on the highway to the top of fourth and a close friend of mine had a stock 98 C5 M6. I had a lid and was able to pull on him from a 50 roll with both of us in second. We didn't go much past the top of third, but he never stopped my slow pull. Same dyno on the same day, my car usually put down about 5 rwhp more than a C5 with identical mods. The minimal weight difference and the difference in drivetrain efficiency seems to make them a dead heat until the speeds get way up there.

Nuh uh! It's a Corvette!!





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OMG back in the day a C5(non hardtop coupe) was a TAD faster than a comparable F body. The advantage started to show at high speeds(100 and up).

Some of your Vette guys are funny

Nuh uh! It's a Corvette!!





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I loved dyno days when they used to be blown away when mine would put down more power. A 99 C5 M6 put down 300 on the nose and mine put down 306 stock to the paper filter 5 minutes later. He was certain he should've put down more because his car is rated at 345 and mine at 305, and he swore I was modded. :lol: I guess I just have the most efficient drivetrain in the world. Negative drivetrain loss!

Wow so from 98-2002 the cheaper 4th gen camaro firebird was the faster car or just as fast as the mighty corvette in the same years! LMAO because you know GM would let that happen... no to mention I owned a 2000 C5 it was definitly faster then my 98 4th gen stock for stock, not by alot but it was! But who knows this is ls1 tech, and nothing can beat a 4th gen not even a vette LOL!

What did your C5 run and what did your 98 run at the track? Just trying to get an idea of how you're judging which one was faster and by how much.

GM did let that happen, btw :nod:

Wow so from 98-2002 the cheaper 4th gen camaro firebird was the faster car or just as fast as the mighty corvette in the same years! LMAO because you know GM would let that happen... no to mention I owned a 2000 C5 it was definitly faster then my 98 4th gen stock for stock, not by alot but it was! But who knows this is ls1 tech, and nothing can beat a 4th gen not even a vette LOL!

Not necessarily faster.. I would say on average quicker.. They are almost Identically fast with the c5 having a 1-1.5mph advantage.

Gm doesn't give a shit.. Whatever sells. Same reason why they rated the fbodys almost 50 hp less than a c5 when reality they usually put down more rwhp.

I personally have drove too many stock, as well as lid only or lid and catback, fbodys and walked stock, as well as cai, c5s by enough to know that the fbody usually wins.

Sure on paper the c5 wins but when the gears start banging, things can change.

Lololol

I think the problem is most c5 owners either dont know how to drive or are afraid of hurting their precious corvette to drive it like it needs to be driven...and for the record the weight difference is almost right at 300 lb, which is a lot.

c5- just under 3300 lb
ls1 camaro/firebird- 3600 lb give or take a tad depending on options.

with equal drivers that could mean as much a 3 tenths in a quarter.





Not necessarily faster.. I would say on average quicker.. They are almost Identically fast with the c5 having a 1-1.5mph advantage.

Gm doesn't give a shit.. Whatever sells. Same reason why they rated the fbodys almost 50 hp less than a c5 when reality they usually put down more rwhp.

I personally have drove too many stock, as well as lid only or lid and catback, fbodys and walked stock, as well as cai, c5s by enough to know that the fbody usually wins.

Sure on paper the c5 wins but when the gears start banging, things can change.

Lololol

You think a Z28 weighs 3,600lbs? :lol:

You think a Z28 weighs 3,600lbs? :lol:

look at what I said, or should I draw it in crayon next time? GIVE OR TAKE A TAD. OBVIOUSLY A Z28 WEIGHTS LESS THAN A TA. a z28 weighs a little closer to 3500. Is that better?:eyes:

look at what I said, or should I draw it in crayon next time? GIVE OR TAKE A TAD. OBVIOUSLY A Z28 WEIGHTS LESS THAN A TA. a z28 weighs a little closer to 3500. Is that better?:eyes:

Why should you draw it in crayon?

Everyone is using real-world experience, and you're throwing out curb weights. If it means that much, then at least get your numbers right. He's just correcting you..

Why should you draw it in crayon?

Everyone is using real-world experience, and you're throwing out curb weights. If it means that much, then at least get your numbers right. He's just correcting you..

Thank you. And most people know it's closer to 3,400 anyway for most of the cars.

I think the problem is most c5 owners either dont know how to drive or are afraid of hurting their precious corvette to drive it like it needs to be driven...and for the record the weight difference is almost right at 300 lb, which is a lot.

c5- just under 3300 lb
ls1 camaro/firebird- 3600 lb give or take a tad depending on options.

with equal drivers that could mean as much a 3 tenths in a quarter.

You aren't going to change my mind at all, I have way to much real world experience with this.

The c5 owners I have raced don't give a shit to beat on their car any more than me or any one else.. Not to mention I drove half of them during the race.. Does that excuse go for autos as well?

Trans am- 3500ish
Z28- 3400ish

I could throw out so many examples It would make your head spin..I'm on my phone though so I'm mot wasting my time..75% of them I have 100% mod lists, as well as installing them or selling the people the parts, track times, race weights, dyno numbers, etc etc etc..

I have enough experience to back my claims and not change my mind.

Im not trying to change anyones mind. I could careless if a z28 is faster than my corvette, no matter how fast you are there is always someone faster. We can argue points and real life experiences until we are blue in the face, in the end there are too many variables to try and make an exact conclusion.

I bought my corvette because I liked it, but also becuase I can take the curves as well as go fast in a straight line and not have to spend an a$$ load on suspension.

and for the record lemons i did not make a single excuse about anything, so I have no idea where the fu%k you got that from. I just made a generalized statement about most c5 drivers, which may not apply to the ones in your area. I used to own a fbody and loved it, it was a lt1 that bunched up all kinds of panties. Its great that fbodies blow the doors off of a c5, awesome. I will still never get rid of my c5 for a fbody, there is no comparison. It is like trying to compare two totally different cars.

I think you took my post different than I meant for it to be taken.

I will agree on one thing with you.. There is no comparison between the two.;)

Thats because corvette is top dog and always will be, its a much better built car!

Better built (although still a riveted together domestic :P) and more quiet too! It seems the debate was about performance though, not build quality. As far as cornering goes, sure the vette does that better without suspension modification. But other than autocross who wants to go 90mph around a corner on public roadways anyways? I know I don't :confused:. Nice kill though, thanks for sharing.

Wow so from 98-2002 the cheaper 4th gen camaro firebird was the faster car or just as fast as the mighty corvette in the same years! LMAO because you know GM would let that happen... no to mention I owned a 2000 C5 it was definitly faster then my 98 4th gen stock for stock, not by alot but it was! But who knows this is ls1 tech, and nothing can beat a 4th gen not even a vette LOL!

WOW! :barf:

Ignorance is bliss.

I think the problem is most c5 owners either dont know how to drive or are afraid of hurting their precious corvette to drive it like it needs to be driven...and for the record the weight difference is almost right at 300 lb, which is a lot.

c5- just under 3300 lb
ls1 camaro/firebird- 3600 lb give or take a tad depending on options.

with equal drivers that could mean as much a 3 tenths in a quarter.

My car has every option, and it is a WS6 and weighs 3485 from the factory.

My car has every option, and it is a WS6 and weight 3485 from the factory.

My Z28 was 3425. Not that big of a difference between the C5 after all. :chug:

Thats because corvette is top dog and always will be, its a much better built car!

Lololol all depends who you're talking to. I'll take my car any day over any c5. I will own a c5 one day but wouldn't dare let go of my trans am for one.
I wouldnt trade my car straight even for a 10 SS.. I'm sure you disagree there also. Different strokes. Your opinion about cars is not mine.

Lololol all depends who you're talking to. I'll take my car any day over any c5. I will own a c5 one day but wouldn't dare let go of my trans am for one.
I wouldnt trade my car straight even for a 10 SS.. I'm sure you disagree there also. Different strokes. Your opinion about cars is not mine.

I would, then sell it. And start a new build with $25k to spend on mods :D

Hey hey now! Now you're just talkin' stupid :P

Your right, I like cars that have better build quality! After having a C5 and 5th gen I could never go backwards into a 4th gen.... just because it wieghs less :eyes:

Good run - a video would have been cool.

Your right, I like cars that have better build quality! After having a C5 and 5th gen I could never go backwards into a 4th gen.... just because it wieghs less :eyes:

Lololol Has nothing to do with weight, If it did I wouod sell my trans am and buy a c5. I would be going 100% backwards in a 5th gen... Because

I dont like the 5th gens at all.. Very very very few things that I like about them. I won't go Into detail.

I like a ton of things about the c5.. Very few I don't like.

However.. Neither give me the feel/connection of my trans am. And neither look anywhere near comparable to my trans am. I will always own a trans am.. Any other car is whatever.

Your right, I like cars that have better build quality! After having a C5 and 5th gen I could never go backwards into a 4th gen.... just because it wieghs less :eyes:

Explain how you go backwards buying a 4th gen? It is all what you like, I'm sorry you don't like one of the best drag racing platforms created along with the foxbodys.

C5 is an upgrade over the 4th gen-no doubt about it. Handling and ride are a few reasons why. But in straight line speed they are very close.

It's only an upgrade if you like it more.

Your right, I like cars that have better build quality! After having a C5 and 5th gen I could never go backwards into a 4th gen.... just because it wieghs less :eyes: Well lets see how these fifth gens hold up after 10 years. I wonder if the irs will remain quiet and tight etc etc. Just saying that all new cars seem "refined" in some way imo.
I happen to like hearing the sounds and feeling the feels :P. Imo the fourth gen is a more raw experience (part of what makes a pony car a pony car imo). Sure it has a few creature comforts and a obdII etc etc, but other than that it is still a pony car imo.

With the fifth gen, it's almost as if they decided to try and compete with BMW and Mercedes or something, and of course it gets the shit end of the stick in that comarison lol. I like the look of a fourth gen t/a over any of the cars being discussed here, and like I said I for one wasn't looking for a "pretend refined sports car/wanna-be pony car" when I purchased mine ;).

But don't worry, of course these are all just opinions and i'm sure you expected some variance here by coming into ls1tech and being such a devout banner carrier! :engarde:. Not to bash your fifth gen or anything lol, just giving my own opinion.
It's only an upgrade if you like it more.

x2 Pure and simply.

Explain how you go backwards buying a 4th gen? It is all what you like, I'm sorry you don't like one of the best drag racing platforms created along with the foxbodys.

One of the best drag platforms :eyes: some of you guys dont remeber much of what I say! I love 4th gen cars... I just dont want one anymore, and I come into these threads to give you few 5th gen bashers shit just for the hell of it! As far as one of the best, thats funny! Try a big block in a old school A body or G body like an 84 cutlass... sorry but to me, 4th gens dont even compare to the feel of that! I have had 3 G bodys and 3 A bodys, built up with stalled autos and tires on stock suspension... thats a real muscle car drag shit that cant be touched!

Again...an opinion, correct? Cutlass was bad ass, I had a 76 El Camino Cali edition that was setup for drag racing: edelbrock intake, black jack headers, high stall torque converter, 780 holley, large cam etc etc, that thing was a beast and really turned some heads :). The reason why so many like the fourth gens for drag racing platforms however are numerous and diverse, and I have to agree that they are a top runner as far as platforms go imo.

I can get a lower mileage near mint fully loaded ws6 for under 10k$.. Throw another 10k$ at it you have a 9 second car that can still be drove anywhere reliably, good gas mileage, go to a car show, etc etc etc..

Yes, it is one of the best platforms.. For many reasons besides just drag racing. Not too many other platforms runs bottom 12s with a handful of bolt ons, mid 11s cam only, etc etc.. And still be able to do everything else mentioned.

Like them or not.. It is an extremely nice platform for many reasons.

Your right, I like cars that have better build quality! After having a C5 and 5th gen I could never go backwards into a 4th gen.... just because it wieghs less :eyes:

Nobody said you had to. Don't get fussy man, I don't think your understanding what they are trying to say. An ls1 vette and f-body are not gapped so wide performance wise as yall think, thats all. The auto c5 cars with the 2.73's couldn't get out of there own way.

One of the best drag platforms :eyes: some of you guys dont remeber much of what I say! I love 4th gen cars... I just dont want one anymore, and I come into these threads to give you few 5th gen bashers shit just for the hell of it! As far as one of the best, thats funny! Try a big block in a old school A body or G body like an 84 cutlass... sorry but to me, 4th gens dont even compare to the feel of that! I have had 3 G bodys and 3 A bodys, built up with stalled autos and tires on stock suspension... thats a real muscle car drag shit that cant be touched!

You can't give us shit, your full exaust (Im sure your your car is tuned for), intake car only went a best of 12.60 @ 112. Slower than my lowly 4th gen. Full weight, Full exaust and Oo a slp lid. :eyes:

You can't give us shit, your full exaust (Im sure your your car is tuned for), intake car only went a best of 12.60 @ 112. Slower than my lowly 4th gen. Full weight, Full exaust and Oo a slp lid. :eyes:

Good for you... so you have the same mods I do, no I dont have a tune yet I am waiting for a cam! Whats your point, I never said 4th gens were slow! And I do agree with the fact they are a good platform for building a fast car, that can be driven anywere! The 4th gen and LS1 took that type of thinking to the next level... and rather you want to admit it or not, the 5th gen is taking that spot... Now the 4th gen is a great deal at this point, because for a lot less money you can build a bad ass car! I would rather do it in a 5th gen regardless of money because I love this new camaro! That my opinion and what I choose to do.

Yup! That's all that matters is that you love what you drive :nod:

The 5th gen is not even close to taking that title. They simple are too heavy and not enough owners are into it to go fast.

They are nice cars but don't make them out to be something they aren't.

5th gens are ugly and slow. Someone had to say it lol

Good for you... so you have the same mods I do, no I dont have a tune yet I am waiting for a cam! Whats your point, I never said 4th gens were slow! And I do agree with the fact they are a good platform for building a fast car, that can be driven anywere! The 4th gen and LS1 took that type of thinking to the next level... and rather you want to admit it or not, the 5th gen is taking that spot... Now the 4th gen is a great deal at this point, because for a lot less money you can build a bad ass car! I would rather do it in a 5th gen regardless of money because I love this new camaro! That my opinion and what I choose to do.

Now, this is a better attitude in this post. Much better post than your previous ones.

The 5th gen is not even close to taking that title. They simple are too heavy and not enough owners are into it to go fast.

They are nice cars but don't make them out to be something they aren't.


You dont spend much time on camaro5 or really seem to know much about what your talking about! There are bad ass 5th gen kicking ass on everything to road racing, auto X and plenty of 10 sec full street drag cars at this point! The wieght is not a problem its just your excuse.

Now, this is a better attitude in this post. Much better post than your previous ones.

I come off with an attitude because of the attitude of others on this site, like the post above!

I understand but you got to learn to roll with the punches and stay open minded.

Edit: It's a car forum, conflict they will have. lol Just state your facts and don't lose your cool.

You dont spend much time on camaro5 or really seem to know much about what your talking about! There are bad ass 5th gen kicking ass on everything to road racing, auto X and plenty of 10 sec full street drag cars at this point! The wieght is not a problem its just your excuse.

Yea you're right, I missed all of the 5th gens tearing it up at the fest and shoot out, dang it. I also miss all the threads on here.. As well as my buddies cars and what I see In person.

I know what 5th gens are doing..4th gens have been doing it for years and years and doing it better.
5th gens are an awesome platform... They are ls based. But to say they have the title the 4th gen does, that took it nearly 5 years to earn, is a bit of a joke. Much less to say its taking the 4th gens spot.. Please. It's hard to even take that comment seriously.

Weight as an excuse from my end? Why? For everything the 4th gen does better? That should be coming from you hunny, I was trying to give a valid reason at why the 5th gen is handicapped a bit.. Not taking away from it.

I come off with an attitude because of the attitude of others on this site, like the post above!

You come off as Ignorant and platform biased.. Not an attitude.

I have not used an attitude, simply informing you.. If it hurt your girl scout like feelings, I'm not really all that sorry.

You come off as Ignorant and platform biased.. Not an attitude.

I have not used an attitude, simply informing you.. If it hurt your girl scout like feelings, I'm not really all that sorry.

Simply informing me with what, nothing but your ignorant opinion and nothing you have is fact! The ignorant and platform baised one is you my friend, I have already stated MANY times before this thread I love 4th gen cars!

Simply informing me with what, nothing but your ignorant opinion and nothing you have is fact! The ignorant and platform baised one is you my friend, I have already stated MANY times before this thread I love 4th gen cars!

It's not fact that the 4th gen has held more, faster/quicker etc, records than the 5th gens for many more years?

It is not fact that with the same mods on average a 4th gen will outperform a 5th gen?

It is not fact that the ls1 has the same reliability, response to mods, efficiency, etc, as a 5th gen?

Sure Ive thrown out some opinions, as everyone in here has.

I'll just as quick defend the 5th gen as flame it.. Same for ANY platform, Including 4th gens. If you have ever seen me post, you would know that.. It is very obvious. I have defended 5th gens many times before, better than you are doing here.

You dont spend much time on camaro5 or really seem to know much about what your talking about! There are bad ass 5th gen kicking ass on everything to road racing, auto X and plenty of 10 sec full street drag cars at this point! The wieght is not a problem its just your excuse.Wow, really? At least get your facts straight about who you're saying doesn't know what they're talking about. :eyes:

Simply informing me with what, nothing but your ignorant opinion and nothing you have is fact! The ignorant and platform baised one is you my friend, I have already stated MANY times before this thread I love 4th gen cars! I believe it's the other comments you make that supersede the "I love 4th gen cars" comment imo.

It's not fact that the 4th gen has held more, faster/quicker etc, records than the 5th gens for many more years?

It is not fact that with the same mods on average a 4th gen will outperform a 5th gen?

It is not fact that the ls1 has the same reliability, response to mods, efficiency, etc, as a 5th gen?

Sure Ive thrown out some opinions, as everyone in here has.

I'll just as quick defend the 5th gen as flame it.. Same for ANY platform, Including 4th gens. If you have ever seen me post, you would know that.. It is very obvious. I have defended 5th gens many times before, better than you are doing here.

x2. I agree, and so have I done a better job at advocating for fifth gens than he has. Although he seems to flavor the topic with bitterness, just a little ;)

http://youtu.be/bHKp5xluwTM

That is impressive, but it took a double power adder to do it......There are F bodies making a lot less running those same times.

Thats old news and they have a faster newer car... there are a bunch of 5th gens running 10s and a few just made 9s in full wieght, stock bottem end. I personally dont care how fast a full blown race car goes anyway! What is your point... build what you want, this is the car I want. I am not going to argue with you guys anymore, its like freaking politics... no one is going to win! I could list a hundred reasons why I like my car better and I am sure you guys can too! It gets old.

Thats old news and they have a faster newer car... there are a bunch of 5th gens running 10s and a few just made 9s in full wieght, stock bottem end. I personally dont care how fast a full blown race car goes anyway! What is your point... build what you want, this is the car I want. I am not going to argue with you guys anymore, its like freaking politics... no one is going to win! I could list a hundred reasons why I like my car better and I am sure you guys can too! It gets old.

It is all about what you like man, but we were discussing platforms and you failed to comprehend that the F-Body platform > 5th gen camaros.

Ok cool.

http://youtu.be/bHKp5xluwTM

That is impressive, but it took a double power adder to do it......There are F bodies making a lot less running those same times.Cool vid but I hate when the et is posted up at the start of it like that :(

Thats old news and they have a faster newer car... there are a bunch of 5th gens running 10s and a few just made 9s in full wieght, stock bottem end. I personally dont care how fast a full blown race car goes anyway! What is your point... build what you want, this is the car I want. I am not going to argue with you guys anymore, its like freaking politics... no one is going to win! I could list a hundred reasons why I like my car better and I am sure you guys can too! It gets old.

No one really wanted to know why you liked your car better in the first place. We were all discussing different platforms and different applications. It is definitely about loving what you drive though, I agree.

My IQ has plummeted reading some of this.

First lol at thinking 4th gen > c5 vettes. A properly cammed c5 with a driver with balls will tear most cars up.

Second lol at bashing on 5th gens. Brb running 11s with headers/cai/tune/gears and slicks.

They are heavy but they are VERY mod friendly. Also you all forget they run an IRS. Put a straight axle on them then talk shit. Also F body platform has been around for ages. Although the 5th gen platform has been around, the car hasn't. Give it a ~decade like the F bodies have and you'll be seeing much of the same. Most 5th gen owners are reluctant to mod, but that'll change.

My IQ has plummeted reading some of this.

First lol at thinking 4th gen > c5 vettes. A properly cammed c5 with a driver with balls will tear most cars up.

Second lol at bashing on 5th gens. Brb running 11s with headers/cai/tune/gears and slicks.

They are heavy but they are VERY mod friendly. Also you all forget they run an IRS. Put a straight axle on them then talk shit. Also F body platform has been around for ages. Although the 5th gen platform has been around, the car hasn't. Give it a ~decade like the F bodies have and you'll be seeing much of the same. Most 5th gen owners are reluctant to mod, but that'll change.
No offense dude but who here said 4th gen > c5 I think everyone would agree the c5 is a better all around car hence why they cost more. The argument was that mod for mod the cars speed and times are very close which they're are many claims to back that up.
Second running 11's with bolt ons is nothing new lol auto 4th gens and vettes do 11;s with bolt ons and a stall while an m6 car can get it done with a very good driver and good conditions....

No offense dude but who here said 4th gen > c5 I think everyone would agree the c5 is a better all around car hence why they cost more. The argument was that mod for mod the cars speed and times are very close which they're are many claims to back that up.
Second running 11's with bolt ons is nothing new lol auto 4th gens and vettes do 11;s with bolt ons and a stall while an m6 car can get it done with a very good driver and good conditions....

Maybe I came off bitter.

What I was saying was the 5th gen shouldn't be discredited like so many people love to do because of the weight. The LS3 and especially the L99 are extremely mod friendly. GM did us a favor making them so restrictive, tbh, because when you mod the difference is so overwhelmingly apparent that it just makes you smile. The L99 for example pick up like 80torque+ down low on the power curves with tunes. Not overall torque, but torque in low rpms. It's nuts man.

Really :chug: Bolt-on vs bolt-on the vette will win everytime! The vettes lighter wieght and aero makes for more top end pull, my C5 was much faster compared to my 4th gen mod for mod. Bolt-on Vs Bolt-on the 4th gen will hang there but unless the vettes driven like shit you know whos gonna take it.

Man you are so clueless.... Every single post, especially in the 5th gen section just gets worse and worse.


Ls1 f bodies, and c5's are a drivers race, always have been, always will be...

I used to RAPE Stock c5's when I was bolt ons. When I was stock I was door to door with them. Now come and tell me how much faster your 5th gen is, and how inferior in every way an ls1 f body is.....:eyes: