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TriShield
11-15-2011, 11:16 AM
GM Prices 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 From $54,995

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By Mike Magrath | November 15, 2011

Just hours after the release of the 650 horsepower 2013 Ford Mustang GT500, GM scrambled to get the focus back on the 580 horsepower (how cute) 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1 by announcing pricing and performance figures on the new hotrod Camaro.

Including a $900 destination/delivery fee, the 2012 ZL1 will be priced from $54,995. Giving in to the life-suck that is traffic and opting for the automatic will set you back an additional $1,185, bright aluminum 20s are $470, sunroof is $900, stripe package is $470, an exposed-weave carbon fiber insert in the hood runs $600, and the suede package is $500.

As for performance...

Chevy is claiming 0-60 times of 3.9 seconds with the automatic and 4.0 seconds with the manual. The DIY transmission goes through the quarter mile in 12.1 @ 119 while the auto manages the task in 12.0 @ 119. Top speed is 184 for the auto and 180 for the manual. These numbers are very similar to the Hennessey Supercharged Camaro we tested last year and quicker than the 2011 Ford Mustang GT500 which managed 4.4 to 60 (4.1 with rollout) and a 12.4 @ 116.0.

GM provided a handy chart to compare the ZL1 against some other high performance cars available like the Audi R8 GT, Maserati GranTurismo (an obvious competitor) and the Mercedes SLS AMG. Probably best to ignore that pesky GT500 that's just around the corner.

The base price of the 2012 Ford Shelby GT500 is $48,810.


Buckwheat
11-15-2011, 11:39 AM
Ouch. Six grand more than the Ford and down on HP. Probably no automatic option for the GT500 though.

TriShield
11-15-2011, 11:42 AM
Ouch. Six grand more than the Ford and down on HP. Probably no automatic option for the GT500 though.

2012 GT500s do not have 650hp. That is the 2013 which was just revealed last night. Ford has not released pricing for the 2013.


SilverBullet73
11-15-2011, 11:52 AM
2012 GT500s do not have 650hp. That is the 2013 which was just revealed last night. Ford has not released pricing for the 2013.Correct and very likely that Ford will increase the price of the 2013 GT500 now that it has 650 hp, even if only by a couple grand.

senicalj4579
11-15-2011, 11:56 AM
Not bad for a 4k lb SUV :eyes:

LS1LT1
11-15-2011, 12:18 PM
Maybe not the rumored $48k or $49k that we were hoping for but still a WHOLE LOT OF CAR/PERFORMANCE for the money in my opinion. :nod:

2002_Z28_Six_Speed
11-15-2011, 12:45 PM
This is completely embarrassing for GM. Back when I got my GXP you could get them for around 33-34K. Add in a S/C package, coilovers, and wheels and you would still be vastly under the ZL1's starting price. Even if they jack up the price on the new Mustang considerably there is no way GM can compete with this car.

Ford gets my seal of approval on this round of the Muscle Car War!!


www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drkh0YLF8rI

00ls1z
11-15-2011, 12:57 PM
I'm pretty sure the zl1 would outperform ur gxp in every way.. Kinda comparing apples to oranges there

00ls1z
11-15-2011, 12:58 PM
And the same would be if u bought a 5gen Ss and added the stuff yourself.. But this is factory stuff..

Wnts2Go10O
11-15-2011, 01:58 PM
like i said, GM fails again.

4k+ lbs

going to be under powered by 70hp

no new engine family in sight for the 2014 vette

no plans on weight loss for the camaro in sight

Z Fury
11-15-2011, 03:08 PM
like i said, GM fails again.

4k+ lbs

going to be under powered by 70hp

no new engine family in sight for the 2014 vette

no plans on weight loss for the camaro in sight

I'm just waiting on someone to mention the new Alpha platform... What a failure that is turning into. The new lightweight chassis will be lucky to save 200 pounds.

2002_Z28_Six_Speed
11-15-2011, 03:26 PM
I'm pretty sure the zl1 would outperform ur gxp in every way.. Kinda comparing apples to oranges there

I would cry for a ZL1 owner if they didn't beat me considering how much more they will spend.
But it won't be by a huge margin. I have about the same HP and less weight. They have bigger tires.

jmurray87
11-15-2011, 03:57 PM
Lol @ people saying a car will fail before its even released and tested.

ULTIMATEORANGESS
11-15-2011, 04:43 PM
thats more than i had hoped. not that i can afford one but thats too much even with its powertrain and SUSPENSION UPGRADES.



im still betting it sells well.

Wnts2Go10O
11-15-2011, 04:50 PM
Lol @ people saying a car will fail before its even released and tested.
its 55k, weighs over 4100, and will be TOAST against the 650hp cobra that is 250+lbs lighter

ULTIMATEORANGESS
11-15-2011, 04:54 PM
its 55k, weighs over 4100, and will be TOAST against the 650hp cobra that is 250+lbs lighter

5.0s are faster than 5th gens and that hasnt slowed camaro sales one bit.

1quickTransAm
11-15-2011, 05:28 PM
The ZL1's front looks good, I'll certainly give them that. I just hate how big and bulky they are. It is exciting how much Ford is putting the pressure on Chevy to step up!

DrkPhx
11-15-2011, 08:15 PM
A 2012 GT500 with the SVT package is right around $54K and even with the added weight I give the nod to the ZL1 for looks and the magnetic ride suspension. Plus the ZL1 has some standard features the GT500 only have as a dealer installed option.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=305993&d=1321368710

ULTIMATEORANGESS
11-15-2011, 08:17 PM
A 2012 GT500 with the SVT package is right around $54K and even with the added weight I give the nod to the ZL1 for looks and the magnetic ride suspension. Plus the ZL1 has some standard features the GT500 only have as a dealer installed option.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=305993&d=1321368710

good info. thanks.

Z Fury
11-15-2011, 09:17 PM
If you compare the ZL1 to the 2013 GT500, that chart evens out a bit more (minus the magnetic ride suspension).

ls1ya
11-15-2011, 09:52 PM
I dont why the stock numbers really matter so much. Cuz all the deep pocket guys who buy them go bigger cubes, or TT or combo

fspeedster
11-16-2011, 04:24 AM
Not bad for a 4k lb SUV :eyes:


Seems like all that weight has paid off. I also find it funny when F body owners talk shit on the 5 gen, F body's are rattle cans, huge gaps between body panels, crappy rear end's and where maid when GM was at it worst as far as quality and reliability. Ask me how I know...

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/14/2012-chevrolet-camaro-becomes-first-car-to-ace-all-nhtsa-safety/

88blackgt
11-16-2011, 09:01 AM
A 2012 GT500 with the SVT package is right around $54K and even with the added weight I give the nod to the ZL1 for looks and the magnetic ride suspension. Plus the ZL1 has some standard features the GT500 only have as a dealer installed option.



Why is the magnetic suspension such a great option when its still slower?

senicalj4579
11-16-2011, 09:32 AM
Seems like all that weight has paid off. I also find it funny when F body owners talk shit on the 5 gen, F body's are rattle cans, huge gaps between body panels, crappy rear end's and where maid when GM was at it worst as far as quality and reliability. Ask me how I know...

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/14/2012-chevrolet-camaro-becomes-first-car-to-ace-all-nhtsa-safety/

All the weight paid off? To who...people that want safety over a lighter better performing car? Sorry but to me weight dosent pay off to most of us who are looking to buy a "camaro". I dont think most guys have extra weight and safety in mind when buying a fast car but if thats what you like then 5th gen is right up your alley have at it:D
Whos talking shit? The 5th gen are big fat pigs and for that reason I wouldnt buy one. Whats wrong with that? Excuse guys like me for having reasons why I wouldnt want my high performing car to have the weight of an suv :eyes: Maybe other peoples opinions bother you? :punch:
Hey, I love my rattle trap so much that im on my 3rd one. Unreliable? Iv never been stranded anywhere or anytime with any of my 3 rattle traps. Driving a 300 mile round trip to the track 5 times a year, racing it and driving home without any issues :D
If you want to buy a car for safety with all that weight then why not a suv?
Why dont they make the vettes with all that safety stuff. Im sure all the die hard corvette guys wouldnt have a problem with the vettes weighing in at 4k lbs :jest:

Tainted
11-16-2011, 09:47 AM
flop...

BrntWS6
11-16-2011, 09:59 AM
Almost 58k optioned out and over 59k with the auto. If they would have started at 48k I might have considered one but GM put it a little out of my comfort zone. I think over 50k is the tipping point for a lot of buyers. I'll just stick with my little 450hp WS6.

SSCamaro99_3
11-16-2011, 12:24 PM
no new engine family in sight for the 2014 vette

Curious. That's the opposite of everything I hear/read.

Ericbigmac83
11-16-2011, 12:37 PM
its tough for chevy since they have the corvette and they have to price similar cars so that it makes sense to buyers. Ford doesn't have that problem. How can chevy price this monster for less than the price of a base vette....nobody would buy the base vette. i really don't think they had much of a choice but to price it this way.

thunderstruck507
11-16-2011, 01:51 PM
its tough for chevy since they have the corvette and they have to price similar cars so that it makes sense to buyers. Ford doesn't have that problem. How can chevy price this monster for less than the price of a base vette....nobody would buy the base vette. i really don't think they had much of a choice but to price it this way.

Plenty of people would. I wouldn't even consider a Camaro if the I could get a Corvette for the same price or less.

I agree they are a little high on pricing for this car.

ULTIMATEORANGESS
11-16-2011, 05:00 PM
Almost 58k optioned out and over 59k with the auto. If they would have started at 48k I might have considered one but GM put it a little out of my comfort zone. I think over 50k is the tipping point for a lot of buyers. I'll just stick with my little 450hp WS6.

these are not cars for people on budgets.


im just guessing but i think most buyers are well off and can afford much more expensive vehicles.

BrntWS6
11-16-2011, 06:11 PM
^^Completely disagree, most people operate on a budget. Hell you can easily spend 45k on a mid-size family SUV. Yeah, there probably not for the guy making 30k year.

Now you have potential buyers like me where GM priced it a little high for my taste. A lot of people were hoping for just under 50k to get on board. If Ford is smart they will keep the price of the new 2013 GT500 the same and watch the ZL1's sit on the showroom floors.

LS1LT1
11-16-2011, 06:17 PM
If Ford is smart they will keep the price of the new 2013 GT500 the same and watch the ZL1's sit on the showroom floors.True, as long as dealer gouging/mark ups are kept in check, if Ford were to retain the current GT500's pricing for the 650hp 2013 model then it will give it a very strong advantage over the more costly ZL1 (which itself might cost even more in 2013 possibly), but I really can't see them being able to sell the new one for the old price.
And, the available automatic for the ZL1 could still help it's sales figures as well.

ThisBlood147
11-16-2011, 06:35 PM
You guys have to understand that the GT500's and ZL-1's of the world are not marketed to the blue collar, middle class working stiff. That's what the GT and SS are for. Should GM and Ford really not offer top rung pony models like this simply because they can't make them more affordable to ppl who can't spend over 40K on a shiny new garage toy?

I understand the disappointment in the ZL-1 creeping up into the 50-60K range, but do remember...this isn't just an SS with a blower stuffed under the hood.

ULTIMATEORANGESS
11-16-2011, 07:19 PM
You guys have to understand that the GT500's and ZL-1's of the world are not marketed to the blue collar, middle class working stiff. That's what the GT and SS are for. Should GM and Ford really not offer top rung pony models like this simply because they can't make them more affordable to ppl who can't spend over 40K on a shiny new garage toy?

I understand the disappointment in the ZL-1 creeping up into the 50-60K range, but do remember...this isn't just an SS with a blower stuffed under the hood.

agreed.



when i buy a vehicle i make sure it costs me less than a weeks pay every month.


most buyers of these cars will have a ton of money to burn and not break a sweat paying for it.


i dont know about anyone else but high ends cars like these i dont see in middle class neighborhoods. i see them where homes cost more than i make in 10 yrs. and theyre driving a mercedes or escalade as their everyday vehicles and drive their toys when its nice out.

nasteeZ28
11-16-2011, 07:34 PM
5.0s are faster than 5th gens and that hasnt slowed camaro sales one bit.

great point everyone talking about this new gt500 is assuming that because it is going to kill the zl1 in a race that it will also kill it in sales..

thats not going to happen most people don't buy cars because one car is faster than another.. right now more people want camaros

the camaro has been RAPING the mustang in sales and is going to continue to do so I see a shit ton of new camaros.. barely any new mustangs at all i would say at least 6-7 to 1 camaro to mustang ratio

now you must ask yourself why? why is the mustang still not outselling the camaro? ITS FASTER way faster but still the camaro out sells it ILL TELL YOU WHY because mustangs are not as cool as camaros.. and they never will be
camaros are the shit new and old i don't care if the mustang has 1000 more horse power.. mustangs are gay

ThisBlood147
11-17-2011, 09:56 PM
mustangs are gay
Thank you for your insightful perspective. Color me enlightened...

fspeedster
11-18-2011, 05:37 AM
All the weight paid off? To who...people that want safety over a lighter better performing car? Sorry but to me weight dosent pay off to most of us who are looking to buy a "camaro". I dont think most guys have extra weight and safety in mind when buying a fast car but if thats what you like then 5th gen is right up your alley have at it:D
Whos talking shit? The 5th gen are big fat pigs and for that reason I wouldnt buy one. Whats wrong with that? Excuse guys like me for having reasons why I wouldnt want my high performing car to have the weight of an suv :eyes: Maybe other peoples opinions bother you? :punch:
Hey, I love my rattle trap so much that im on my 3rd one. Unreliable? Iv never been stranded anywhere or anytime with any of my 3 rattle traps. Driving a 300 mile round trip to the track 5 times a year, racing it and driving home without any issues :D
If you want to buy a car for safety with all that weight then why not a suv?
Why dont they make the vettes with all that safety stuff. Im sure all the die hard corvette guys wouldnt have a problem with the vettes weighing in at 4k lbs :jest:

What I meant by reliability was the fact that f-bodies came with crappy rear ends, brakes, shocks, window motors, engine knocks and the list goes on. And this suv you speak about is faster then an f-body in a straight line and on corners, it responds to mods just as well as our rattle traps. Not to mention is a better put together car. This conversation has nothing to do with Corvettes so no point in bringing them up.

senicalj4579
11-18-2011, 08:24 AM
What I meant by reliability was the fact that f-bodies came with crappy rear ends, brakes, shocks, window motors, engine knocks and the list goes on. And this suv you speak about is faster then an f-body in a straight line and on corners, it responds to mods just as well as our rattle traps. Not to mention is a better put together car. This conversation has nothing to do with Corvettes so no point in bringing them up.

I know what you meant and we both have different points in mind. There is a point for me bringing up the vette because im making a point on how adding stupid amounts of weight to a fast car is a turn off for me and others.
People want their cars for different reasons. I dont like the weight, IRS, or the price tag. This car is suposed to compete with the new mustangs? Sorry but imo its a total fail and to me if your spending that kind of money then might as well put it towards a vette.
Thanks for calling out my opinion for "talking shit" though :burn:

BanditTA
11-18-2011, 09:36 AM
Lol @ people saying a car will fail before its even released and tested.

And I remember 3-years ago when people were saying the Camaro would fail and only last 2 years tops.....boy were they wrong - AGAIN.

whytryz28
11-18-2011, 11:17 AM
lol everyone complaining about cars they will never own, cute. Its a sexy car thats for sure, might have to clean out my stable a bit and get one.

Wnts2Go10O
11-18-2011, 05:02 PM
Curious. That's the opposite of everything I hear/read.
unless the "6.2l" tthey were alluding to is to include DI... itll be the same ls3.

MasterTomos
11-18-2011, 07:40 PM
Who wants an 11 second factory car anyway that can go tens for a few more grand in bolt ons. Damn you GM! :ripped:

4th gens are parts bin cars, with cheap interiors and simple suspension, all of which people bitch about. They fixed that on the 5th gen, and people bitch about that too...I dont understand.

unless the "6.2l" tthey were alluding to is to include DI... itll be the same ls3.

Supercharged LSA. Not an LS3.


So, the Gt500 hasnt hooked up since 2007, and they added 150 more hp?

TriShield
11-18-2011, 09:06 PM
A 2012 GT500 with the SVT package is right around $54K and even with the added weight I give the nod to the ZL1 for looks and the magnetic ride suspension. Plus the ZL1 has some standard features the GT500 only have as a dealer installed option.


The ZL1s precursor is the Cadillac CTS-V running a generation older magnetic ride, skinnier tires and the same powertrain with less power and more weight. This is how it stacked up against the GT500.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW-qF_Xzjl4

TriShield
11-18-2011, 09:08 PM
I don't think anyone who buys this car will be disappointed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjy7vvH1Isk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260FmmISHfg

Unless of course GM pumps up the power next model year.

2002_Z28_Six_Speed
11-20-2011, 01:34 PM
I don't think anyone who buys this car will be disappointed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjy7vvH1Isk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260FmmISHfg

Unless of course GM pumps up the power next model year.

How much further can you take a LSA reliably and warranty it? 650HP maybe? Isn't the short block more or less equivalent to the LS3 in terms of what HP it can take?

MasterTomos
11-20-2011, 01:42 PM
How much further can you take a LSA reliably and warranty it? 650HP maybe? Isn't the short block more or less equivalent to the LS3 in terms of what HP it can take?

I believe it is different from the LS3 block. I do know that the LS9 motor uses the same or very similar block with a larger supercharger and has made over 900hp without internal motor work IIRC.

In all reality though, who cares about HP numbers by themselves when these cars are so close to needing roll cages stock? Theres no doubt that these things will run high 11's in good conditions (CTS-V's have already done it bone stock even with more weight, less power, and skinnier tires). Pullie, stall, DR's and a tune will probably get you in to the 10's with these things and that's rollcage fast. How many people are going to honestly buy these cars because they want a platform to build an 8 or 7 second car? Probably not many. If you just want a "fast car", it's already there.

LS1LT1
11-20-2011, 03:08 PM
How much further can you take a LSA reliably and warranty it? 650HP maybe?I think they might be able to take it to the lower 600s range and still meet all of the other criteria.




Isn't the short block more or less equivalent to the LS3 in terms of what HP it can take?Nah it can likely take much more than an LS3 short block as it's got a lower compression ratio and it's internals, though maybe not quite up to LS9 standards, were still designed for boost from the get go.
As far as internal strength goes it's essentially:
LS9 > LSA > LS3

2002_Z28_Six_Speed
11-20-2011, 03:54 PM
I believe it is different from the LS3 block. I do know that the LS9 motor uses the same or very similar block with a larger supercharger and has made over 900hp without internal motor work IIRC.


The block isn't the same. The LS9 block is designed for larger head bolts. I believe it also has more head bolts but not for sure.

SSCamaro99_3
11-29-2011, 04:44 PM
unless the "6.2l" tthey were alluding to is to include DI... itll be the same ls3.

It is. Current best information has the Gen V as 5.3 and 6.2, and with DI. 5.5 is race only.

71novaguy
11-29-2011, 07:39 PM
how is it the manual is slower and has a lower top speed?

Tainted
11-29-2011, 08:40 PM
Cant shift faster or better than the computer probably. Manual is probably limited by gearing

Wnts2Go10O
11-30-2011, 09:32 PM
Who wants an 11 second factory car anyway that can go tens for a few more grand in bolt ons. Damn you GM! :ripped:

4th gens are parts bin cars, with cheap interiors and simple suspension, all of which people bitch about. They fixed that on the 5th gen, and people bitch about that too...I dont understand.



Supercharged LSA. Not an LS3.


So, the Gt500 hasnt hooked up since 2007, and they added 150 more hp?

we were talking of the new corvette