View Full Version : some disturbing news i just saw


slowpoke96z28
11-27-2011, 07:46 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/swat-teams-shooting-marine-causes-outrage-172246257.html

please read and pass along...

bobbo489
11-27-2011, 09:27 PM
This is really sad, and I do feel sorry, however there must have been some sound proof that would have pointed the sheriffs in that direction, and if someone is showing a weapon the cops have a split second to take action because there life may be in danger also. Hopefully, there can be a reasonable end to this tragedy.

slowpoke96z28
11-27-2011, 10:29 PM
i'd like to present this thread as well http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-US-Marines/355096595844?sk=wall&filter=12#!/groups/2211234984/10150406177939985/?notif_t=group_activity

slowpoke96z28
11-27-2011, 11:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd_OJmTL3jk

i found this looking for the helmet cam video.

slowpoke96z28
11-27-2011, 11:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSXi6Oq49ro&feature=related

slowpoke96z28
11-27-2011, 11:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pao4EGA7mB0&feature=relmfu

Maroboy
11-27-2011, 11:21 PM
wow no words to express this... sad, very sad. a person with wife and kids die bc of this pigs! no reason to do that..

R.I.P....

slowpoke96z28
11-27-2011, 11:22 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/ex-marine-jose-guerena-shot-71-times-by-swat-team-13639915

xX-Z28-Xx
11-27-2011, 11:24 PM
WTF. Seriously, fucked up.

camaroboy14
11-28-2011, 07:46 AM
Damn that sucks!

joehernandez86
11-28-2011, 12:19 PM
This is just sad and pima county needs to get hit hard for this. That family will never be the same because of the mistakes that sheriffs department made. RIP

slowpoke96z28
11-28-2011, 01:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Pajdv85yM&feature=related

jimbos'ss
11-28-2011, 11:07 PM
This is a tragedy. lack of tactical discipline lead to this shooting. They teach us that in the military, I guess swat gets no such EOF training. Just shoot first. How unprofessional.

jimbos'ss
11-28-2011, 11:11 PM
This is really sad, and I do feel sorry, however there must have been some sound proof that would have pointed the sheriffs in that direction, and if someone is showing a weapon the cops have a split second to take action because there life may be in danger also. Hopefully, there can be a reasonable end to this tragedy.

I agree there might have been a some probable cause for the raid, but they used no escalation of force procedures whatsoever. They just unloaded 71 rounds on him. A serious lack of discipline.

bones_c
11-29-2011, 04:48 AM
8 seconds after the doors down and 71 shots fired... And the sherif says they're no pot bellied cowboys... Sounds like these pigs wanted the ride of they're life and they got it harming people that have protected them... They've pulled him over before if they have cause to get a search warrant why did they run in there knowing a former
Military person would e bearing weapons and it's not
Hard to come upon an extra vest laying around... I'm astonished at how unprofessional this job was done and at the lack of knowledge... I would have got him in a traffic stop on probable cause and then executed the search warrant... Not only
Did they endanger themselves in this situation had he been dangerous as they think they endangered the lives if a loving wife and child... Rediculous!!!!

Rip

HASTINGSRJ
11-29-2011, 05:34 AM
R.I.P. Marine, Semper Fidelis.

BOBS99SS
11-29-2011, 06:28 AM
i agree that is so sad, and i hope there is some kind of justice that comes out of this,

Swiat34
11-29-2011, 01:33 PM
What kind of fucked up shit is this?! I wouldn't feel bad if a group of us Marines pulled on our flacks, grabbed our personal ARs, handguns and shotguns and raided the damned deputies that did this. And of course we just shoot em as soon as we see em since we KNOW that they have guns. This Sheriff department think they're the damn Gestapo now or what? Fuck em all. RIP Brother.

slowpoke96z28
11-29-2011, 03:54 PM
What kind of fucked up shit is this?! I wouldn't feel bad if a group of us Marines pulled on our flacks, grabbed our personal ARs, handguns and shotguns and raided the damned deputies that did this. And of course we just shoot em as soon as we see em since we KNOW that they have guns. This Sheriff department think they're the damn Gestapo now or what? Fuck em all. RIP Brother.


that is pretty much how i felt when i read this. almost like it was a blatant attack on the corps, for the simple fact he did what 85% of other Marines would have done. had his weapon at the alert, saw there was no danger, leave his weapon on safe, yet still swallow 22 rounds and watch his son watch him bleed out. i have calmed down some, but i still say that whole deal is about as domestic an enemy of the constitution an agency can get without crossing that line and legally (IMO) validating what you and me think. we are slowly turning into a police state and not too many people will admit it, and only those of us who swore to protect the constitution from domestic enemies bent on creating that police state are in a position to prevent it. its getting close to that, where local govenrments only want police to have arms, and no one else. but the criminals will have them regardless, and the honest man is suppossed to rely on the police to protect his homestead? i think not. when i get a chance i am presenting these ideas to my congress people. i hope others will do the same, either way you think. either a Marine was wrongfully killed, or that the cops were right, but the case has took two steps back because they lost a source of intel, and now the bad guys know whats up. even in the unlikely event this kid was as bad as they say, all they accomplished would be to have killed a low level dope smuggler, and the big wigs just change tactics, and/or take revenge even worse. its a lose lose deal. hopefully a change in legislation to protect fourth amendment rights better will prevent this kind of thing from ever happening again. :soapbox:

slowpoke96z28
12-05-2011, 11:58 AM
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.263316243690386.64101.251605521528125&type=3#!/pimasheriff

slowpoke96z28
12-05-2011, 12:14 PM
maybe this guy would be better http://www.facebook.com/pages/Walt-Setzer-For-Pima-County-Arizona-Sheriff/185401738158322?sk=wall

badhombre
12-05-2011, 04:16 PM
and I'm sorry, but if his intent would have been to shoot at the police, he would have dropped 1 or 2 of them before they ever fired. every marine is a rifleman and is trained to KILL, and is much more disciplined and I'm sure a much better shot than these yahoos. for all he knew, anyone could have kicked his door in yelling police. you never know these days. anyone comes in my yard with a gun drawn, you bet your ass I am answering the door with my gun in hand ready to fire as well, until I see solid identification

slowpoke96z28
12-06-2011, 12:07 AM
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=219235104776139


chatted online a little with this guy. IMO, he's good to go!!

king of the wood
12-12-2011, 11:32 PM
WOW! This was done soooooo unprofessionally. I have a brother who is a cop and has been in the Army for the past 21 years. We watched this vid and he turned red (we're black) so that says how pissed he was. Then he said the "riffs" feel as tho they can do what they want and get away with it because they are "county" officials. This really pisses me the fuck off! I have four boys and my brothers will be damn if this happened to me and visa versa. SMFH..... I am at lost for words right now. I completely agree with Swiat34. Kill they ass in front of their wife and kids........ This goes to show that our states, county, cities, and country are worth shit. His weapon was dropped and he made eye contact with the "riffs". First thing that should have been said was "DROP YOUR WEAPON" BUT NO... these assholes open fire. what if his son was behind him? WOW! The sad part is, they will find away to justify the shooting. The sheriffs always do... Think about this. How many incidents to we hear about the sheriffs and how long does the case stay open maybe at most 2 weeks.

R.I.P. HOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

Tobias05
12-13-2011, 01:31 PM
Sickening...

Semper Fi Brother, you didn't deserve this.

hawk584
12-13-2011, 09:16 PM
fucking sickening every time I hear & see this :( . fuck all of those involved. If he was holding on to his baby they still would have opened up on him.. makes me wonder what would have happen if our brother was Active Duty.......

it's the small stories like this that make me loose respect for others who call themselves "Law Enforcement Officers"....

king of the wood
12-14-2011, 10:45 AM
^^^^^^^^^agreed!

ls2-GTO
12-28-2011, 02:50 AM
Wow...i am at a loss for words on this...How the f does swat do that over a search NOT an arrest warrant and why use swat...


Hope they all go to prison or get death penalty

R.I.P brother...

slowpoke96z28
01-20-2012, 02:52 PM
https://www.manpower.usmc.mil/portal/page/portal/M_RA_HOME/MR_OLD/PERSONNEL/Voting

get your people registered for their absentee ballots...