View Full Version : Need opinions on future buy,


Vectus
12-15-2011, 07:46 AM
I know you all get it a lot but I hope you don't mind one more thread haha

I'm looking at buying one of two goats, one is and 05 with 83k the other is an 04 with 29k. They're both for 16k.

What would you do? 6.0 with 80+ or 5.7 with > 30?

newschool72
12-15-2011, 07:54 AM
it would depend on the condition of the cars. im partial to the 05 with the LS2. mileage can be deceiving . 29k of leadfooted hell can destroy a car, 80k of adult hwy miles really doesnt hurt anything if all the fluids were kept up. really need to research both cars history, then decide . hope this helps.

Vectus
12-15-2011, 11:04 AM
Thanks, I guess I'll just have to look at them in closer. Other thing is I've never seen this color midnight Blue metallic...

Vectus
12-15-2011, 12:04 PM
Thanks, I guess I'll just have to look at them in closer. Other thing is I've never seen this color midnight Blue metallic...

GTOSE
12-15-2011, 02:41 PM
Thanks, I guess I'll just have to look at them in closer. Other thing is I've never seen this color midnight Blue metallic...

Buy that one. It's pretty.

18's, a drop, and some HID's and that car is pretty much done exterior wise.

Robofuzz
12-15-2011, 04:45 PM
You can't go wrong with Midnight Blue!

fyhgxp06
12-15-2011, 05:20 PM
I say keep looking, I bought an 05 with 24k miles for 16k. I had to wait a while until I found it but there are better deals out there

O-FiveCC
12-15-2011, 06:25 PM
I like the LS2 personally. When buying my GTO, I was going back and forth between LS2's with more mileage, and cheap 04's with less miles. I really wanted the LS2 for me, because I knew mods would come slowly, and I wanted to start out with as much power as I could. I do like to go to the track, so staying competitive with the new competition was important. What are your plans for the car? Do you like the 04 smooth hood, or 05+ w/ hood scoops? Split dual rear exhaust and valance, or the 04 with single side exit. 05 has better breaks and a slightly stronger trans in the A4. I like all GTO's, but am partial to the 05/06, just because they are upgraded a little. That, is a big split in mileage though....I got my 05 with 59k miles for $11.5 fyi. Good deals are out there.

quickkris2006
12-15-2011, 08:19 PM
Search around the forums for cars for sale not just local dealers.. i wish i had searched a lil more before i bought my 06

thehazz12
12-15-2011, 09:16 PM
I would go with the '04 with less miles. If you're upgrading stuff anyways then after a few mods there's not much of a difference between the ls1 and ls2, especially when you start getting into the more serious modifications. The brakes are bigger with the '05-'06 but that's an easy swap and if you like the look of the '05-'06 hood and rear bumper you can swap that on really easy, as well. If I was deciding between those 2 I would choose the car that has over 50k miles less. I also don't like the drive-by-wire of the ls2. I'd much rather have a cable driven throttle. I've talked to people with the ls2 and they said the drive-by-wire is a PITA at times. Just my 2 cents...

gconnoyer
12-15-2011, 11:12 PM
Depends what you want it for.

If you just want a quick car for the street, and you're never going to race it or beat on it. Get the 04, you aren't going to miss the LS2 over the LS1 if the extra 50hp doesn't get put to use.

With that being said, if you like the looks of one more than the other its something else to consider.

Mine has 81,6xx on it right now. NO problems from regular use. Any parts replaced were drag racing related.
Don't be worried about the high miles if the car has been taken care of.

newschool72
12-16-2011, 09:14 AM
What he said!

O-FiveCC
12-16-2011, 03:56 PM
If your a street racer, I'd go the ls2. Even the ls2 is getting left behind by the new 5.0, 6.4 Hemi's, and it's a good race with 6.1 Hemi's, LS1 F-body's, and 6.2 Camaro's (until they start to mod). With the LS1 and an average driver, you taking up the rear of the v8 car pack on the street...that's stock of course. You can find better deals then those just on these forums. Over on ls1gto, there is a thread where a guy is looking for an ls2 GTO, one responder has an LS2 with under 40k, and he wants $15k for it. Hell, I would take 15k for my car and 68k miles lol

gconnoyer
12-16-2011, 05:50 PM
^LMAO

Gettin left behind by the 5.0 and Hemi's.
I'd give it to the Mustangs, but just because of the factory 3.73's and weight advantage.
And the LS3 Camaro, give me a break, those things just fucking suck all around.
A good race with the 6.1 Hemi's.....FAR from it.

O-FiveCC
12-16-2011, 11:28 PM
LMAO^^^^ So, in LS2 form, the GTO is a high 12, mainly low 13 second car. 5.0's have gone mid 12's already on a few occasions, and haven't been out nearly as long. Yes it takes the 3.73 version to beat the LS2, although they do put down more power stock, and respond to mods better as well. The new 392 Chally's go mid 12's as well. They've already got a 12.4. LS3's are all over the place. Some run well into the 13's, and some well into the 12's. Its really hit or miss, but they respond very well to mods. 6.1 Hemi's...low 13 second car (that has also ran 12's stock), right there with an LS2 GTO (the GTO being more inconsistent). VERY good race for a stock LS2

newschool72
12-17-2011, 08:26 AM
The driver is the difference in all these claims of 12-13 sec passes in all these cars. I think the rustang, as much as i hate to say it, has the upper hand right now. Average drivers are getting really low 13s and high 12s from the new 5.0. At my home track LS2 goats are mid to high 13 sec cars with average drivers on street tires. My best time is 13.4 at 109 at that track on street tires with my 05 m6. i think the solid axle under the 5.0 gives it the advantage off the line with the average driver. just more forgiving.

gconnoyer
12-17-2011, 08:49 AM
LMAO^^^^ So, in LS2 form, the GTO is a high 12, mainly low 13 second car. 5.0's have gone mid 12's already on a few occasions, and haven't been out nearly as long. Yes it takes the 3.73 version to beat the LS2, although they do put down more power stock, and respond to mods better as well. The new 392 Chally's go mid 12's as well. They've already got a 12.4. LS3's are all over the place. Some run well into the 13's, and some well into the 12's. Its really hit or miss, but they respond very well to mods. 6.1 Hemi's...low 13 second car (that has also ran 12's stock), right there with an LS2 GTO (the GTO being more inconsistent). VERY good race for a stock LS2

:engarde: lol

I said that the mustang has the upper hand on the LS2 gto. But the "record" mid 12 passes you're talking about are at private track rentals, -DA situations, etc.... Not sure how much drag racing you've done, but they certainly aren't the norm for the cars. Also like I said, they are a few hundred pounds lighter as well as 3.73s.

As for the 392 Challenger, Car and Driver says 12.9 at 114. I see 13.x in the sub 110 range, on youtube. Don't really know much about it and its brand new so I haven't seen much. But for the OLD 6.1's....not a contest if the record passes are low 13's and 12.9x's. I know a ton of stock GTO's that run 13.0x

And I'm not even going to argue with your camaro statement. Its just ridiculous. The day I see a (stock) camaro run a 12.....hahahahaha.

Where do you get the information that the GTO is inconsistent? Mine is a manual and is ridiculously consistent, as long as I don't get behind a ricer fuck that drags water all over the track lol.

I'm not saying the GTO is a magical, unbeatable car, BUT the cars you picked to beat it are just ridiculous. Outside of the mustang.

gixxer75094lt1
12-17-2011, 10:30 AM
i say both are a little bit too much money. keep looking for about the same price or tad more you cannot beat the value of a c5 z06...i bought one for mid teens last year around this time from california. theyre out there just have to look. but if youre stuck on the goats go for it, ive seen them for alot cheaper with good mileage on them, specially the 2004 models.

O-FiveCC
12-17-2011, 02:42 PM
I've done a bit of drag racing. Not nearly as much as most of the guys here I imagine, but I would say I've been down the track 200+ times. The inconsistency with the GTO is pretty much a known fact. Skinny 235/245 tires on this car make it hard to launch. At my home track, I ran 13.5 at 103 in my a4 stock. Most of the other cars are manuals I see, and whne you get guys out there who have only ran a handful of times, you see LOTS of 14 second runs. We have a pretty big local GTO group, and even the guy who is now trapping 135mph says he made a few 16 second passes in his m6 stock. I actually ran a 15 myself. Believe me, I'm not boasting up the Camaro. I've seen consistent mid 13's from then. There was one guy, who I talked to for a bit, who did not have an intake, exhaust/headers, or Nitrous (possibly tune I guess, but said he was stock), who was hitting 12.8-12.9 in cool air. It does respond well to mods though, that's pretty much a fact.

Yes lots of GTO have ran high 12's low 13's, so have the 6.1's. I wasn't mentioning "record" passes. I believe the fastest SRT8 300C went 12.6. I have raced them at the track too

O-FiveCC
12-17-2011, 02:45 PM
The driver is the difference in all these claims of 12-13 sec passes in all these cars. I think the rustang, as much as i hate to say it, has the upper hand right now. Average drivers are getting really low 13s and high 12s from the new 5.0. At my home track LS2 goats are mid to high 13 sec cars with average drivers on street tires. My best time is 13.4 at 109 at that track on street tires with my 05 m6. i think the solid axle under the 5.0 gives it the advantage off the line with the average driver. just more forgiving.

Yes, I agree. I have a good friend in NC who just bought a 3.73 base 5.0. He's only taken it to the track twice in a 2000+ DA. He went 13.0 at 112 his first time, and 12.8 at 109 his second time out. I could never convince buddies on other forums the LS2 GTO could run high 12's, because they always see low 14's and high 13's from bad/inexperienced driver's. I've never seen a stock GTO at our track run a 12. Best I;ve seen was mid 13's, and a lot of 14's

gconnoyer
12-17-2011, 03:59 PM
The inconsistency with the GTO is pretty much a known fact. Skinny 235/245 tires on this car make it hard to launch. At my home track, I ran 13.5 at 103 in my a4 stock. Most of the other cars are manuals I see, and whne you get guys out there who have only ran a handful of times, you see LOTS of 14 second runs.

LOL I went 14.02 @ 102 in mine the 2nd day I owned it.

If you're a GTO owner and drag racing, attempting to be consistent on street tires, that owner is sadly mistaken thinking thats going to happen lol. Seen plenty of 14's from GTO's myself.

chevbon
12-17-2011, 04:14 PM
Thanks, I guess I'll just have to look at them in closer. Other thing is I've never seen this color midnight Blue metallic...

I would look at that car CLOSE. Pretty sure MBM wasn't a GTO color...get the carfax on both!

newschool72
12-17-2011, 04:34 PM
LOL I went 14.02 @ 102 in mine the 2nd day I owned it.

If you're a GTO owner and drag racing, attempting to be consistent on street tires, that owner is sadly mistaken thinking thats going to happen lol. Seen plenty of 14's from GTO's myself.

i have no problem with consistency . 13.4 -13.5 at 108-109. Problem is, im driving it out of the hole on a bog, then easy into second, then give it hell the rest of the way! LOL anything more off the line or hard slamming second and 14s here i come! need tires and i have no doubt 12s are there. But im running longtubes, cat -delete, air-bags and a tune. Making 376rwhp. A good 40 rwhp over stock.

gconnoyer
12-17-2011, 05:05 PM
With LTs you should be running mid 12's with a tire.

newschool72
12-17-2011, 05:53 PM
No doubt!! 109 on trap speed with 2.2-2.3 60s. Cars got a 12.6-12.7 at 111 in it. Just having a hard time justifying the dollars to get a spare set of wheels AND tires. I have a solid low 11 sec 68 Camaro and just finished a 72 Camaro build w an LS3 w a comp LSR cam etc, etc......road car. Heres a pic of my latest build.

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd374/newschool72/Newschool72Picsandvids091.jpg

gconnoyer
12-17-2011, 06:12 PM
FUCKING gorgeous.

Just buy a pair of Jegs prostars ($125ea) and a set of 26x10 ET Drags ($170ea) and you're golden.
Or just get a pair of junk stock 17's and throw some 275 ET Streets on.

newschool72
12-17-2011, 06:25 PM
Ive been lookin around for that STEAL . No luck so far. LOcal guy was selling some low miles 275 mickeys for 150 for the pair. Missed them by a couple hours. LOOKIN, LOOKIN.........

O-FiveCC
12-17-2011, 06:33 PM
FUCKING gorgeous.

Just buy a pair of Jegs prostars ($125ea) and a set of 26x10 ET Drags ($170ea) and you're golden.
Or just get a pair of junk stock 17's and throw some 275 ET Streets on.

This^^^. I need this bad, I have LT's, tune, and ported intake. With a 1.95 60' I went 12.5 at 112. Problem with that is, I was running on 245 Nitto 555's (street tire). I could barely give it anything right out of the hole, and the tail end was getting sideways through the 1-2 shift. I know local's with headers/tune went 1.7 with a good tire. So I know with my mods, I could hit a 12.2 (if I can find some mineshaft DA, maybe 12.0-12.1?). I have 275 Nitto NT05's now, but havent tried them out. Looks like some prostars are the way to go, I didn't realize they where that cheap. My next mod is a stall, so I will need those ET Streets bad at that point.

O-FiveCC
12-17-2011, 06:35 PM
13.4 -13.5 at 108-109. Problem is, im driving it out of the hole on a bog, then easy into second, then give it hell the rest of the way! LOL anything more off the line or hard slamming second and 14s here i come! need tires and i have no doubt 12s are there. But im running longtubes, cat -delete, air-bags and a tune. Making 376rwhp. A good 40 rwhp over stock.

With that much power, you have easy mid 12's. I have more mods, but your an M6. I think our power level is nearly identical.

newschool72
12-17-2011, 07:39 PM
Those autos are junk stock. Start modding and they will blow a m6 away. If u stall that car, 11s are there. But i think the m6 is much more fun DD . I drive my goat as a family ride, booster seat and all ( for my 5 yr old girl ). Like i said before , I have a drag car, I have a "pro touring car" and the goat is a very fun family car.:D

O-FiveCC
12-17-2011, 08:36 PM
Yeah I was pretty disappointed in it stock, however, I'm pretty happy with where it is at now. My goal is actually high 11's with bolt-ons and 3600 stall, before I decided whether to go LS3 top-end, or ported 243's. That will also dictate the cam choice. I know I'll run a 100 shot eventually. Sorry for the hijack OP

GTOSE
12-17-2011, 08:52 PM
I would look at that car CLOSE. Pretty sure MBM wasn't a GTO color...get the carfax on both!

? Yes it was.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/2679446789_365bf41b87.jpg

chevbon
12-17-2011, 10:34 PM
I don't think I have seen one...ever! Except that one of course^^ :)

O-FiveCC
12-17-2011, 10:45 PM
There is one in our local GTO group. I love the MBM GTO's

thehazz12
12-17-2011, 11:48 PM
MBM is a one year only color is it not?

chevbon
12-18-2011, 11:17 AM
MBM is a one year only color is it not?

If it is, I would say GRAB IT!!! If he plans on keeping it awhile, the value should go up and up! I mean I've never seen one and everyone knows I flip a shit every time I see another goat :eek2: . Not to mention that color is gorgeous!

GTOSE
12-18-2011, 01:03 PM
MBM is a one year only color is it not?

Yeah, they were only made in 2005.

That and SRM are two of the best looking LS2 colors.

thehazz12
12-18-2011, 03:16 PM
Yeah, they were only made in 2005.

That and SRM are two of the best looking LS2 colors.

YJ with SAP ftw. SRM is a great color too. But IBM is probably the beautiful...especially with the blue interior.

chevbon
12-18-2011, 03:42 PM
I think the modern GTO is one car that can pull off pretty much any color :D

thehazz12
12-18-2011, 04:06 PM
I think the modern GTO is one car that can pull off pretty much any color :D

I've never seen it done, but I think the synergy green from the new camaro would look killer on the modern GTO.

Felix C
12-19-2011, 10:45 AM
I know you all get it a lot but I hope you don't mind one more thread haha

I'm looking at buying one of two goats, one is and 05 with 83k the other is an 04 with 29k. They're both for 16k.

What would you do? 6.0 with 80+ or 5.7 with > 30?

Me? Following questions in order of precedence:

1. Do I need to purchase now?

2. Cost within budget?

3. Color choice suitable?

4. Drivetrain preference satisfied?

5. Condition of the vehicle passes standards?


Repeat above until all "Yes" values are returned.

Vectus
12-19-2011, 01:49 PM
That was a hell of a highjack guys :jest: its cool thanks for all the feedback. I kept looking, I loved the color but that was way too many miles I just got my GTO on Saturday. It's blue on blue 16, 16! K miles for only a thousand more. It's is clean. No signs of abuse and drives great. I'm really happy with it, although I'll miss my car. Things that I've noticed so far in difference : I miss having an aux port, but that'll be fixed soon either way. Ride is much more stiff, but that's ok. I'll post pictures later. Thanks again. :)

newschool72
12-19-2011, 02:30 PM
Welcome to the herd !

chevbon
12-19-2011, 03:24 PM
That was a hell of a highjack guys :jest: its cool thanks for all the feedback. I kept looking, I loved the color but that was way too many miles I just got my GTO on Saturday. It's blue on blue 16, 16! K miles for only a thousand more. It's is clean. No signs of abuse and drives great. I'm really happy with it, although I'll miss my car. Things that I've noticed so far in difference : I miss having an aux port, but that'll be fixed soon either way. Ride is much more stiff, but that's ok. I'll post pictures later. Thanks again. :)

Awesome man! Great to have another good owner on board. Congrats!

Vectus
12-19-2011, 05:23 PM
Hers some pictures of my previous car and the gto i got. Not the best picture of it but i'll be around to put some good ones up later.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/Vectus/311790_261371710572914_100001002620900_746061_1206 300457_n.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/Vectus/383288_281393331904085_100001002620900_804820_1925 979173_n.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c292/Vectus/2011-12-17_19-54-37_486.jpg

Vectus
12-19-2011, 05:25 PM
Oh BTW how do you get the front plate bracket off? Tried taking it off, looks like its just clips but i didnt want to pull too hard.

O-FiveCC
12-19-2011, 07:59 PM
You got my fav color combo for the GTO. Congrats man, you will enjoy it. Add some radius rod bushings, strut mounts, and rear springs if you haven't already heard

thehazz12
12-19-2011, 09:14 PM
^Agreed. I love the IBM especially with the blue interior you got. IMO best color. I wanted one sooo bad but got a great deal on mine and couldn't pass it up. I'm still hoping to add a blue one to my stable someday. Nice car, man. Welcome to the herd.