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Old 12-21-2011, 06:59 PM
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Have some money saved up, so I'm deciding on what to do with it. I already have full bolt ons and light suspension mods.

I'm debating on what I should do, throw gears in now, or should I go H/C? Obviously big price difference, but I'm about 95% sure I want to do H/C in the future. But I've heard gears make such a difference that it may satisfy me.

My goal for the car is to be a weekend warrior/summer car and to be in the 11's hopefully. Basically I want it as fast as possible.

I have also heard that with the right H/C you should keep stock gears.

Any advice on what I should do? If I got gears I'd get 3.90's prob.

Oh and car is a 02 SS M6
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I think it depends on what cam you go with as far as gears. I would go with something more than 3.90's though. If you go H/C and 4.10's you will be well into the 11's.
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It's all the other stuff the adds to the cost, labor, gaskets, tuning, exhaust, etc whereas the gears are a pretty basic upgrade and makes a huge difference. You can get a set of gears and good lsd for under $1000 and a good head cam package is going to run you double for sure for just the parts.

My old 5.0 fox body I had, I swapped the rear gears from 2.73 to 3.73 and made a full second difference at the track and felt huge on the street. The next mod was heads and a cam, headers, etc, and only brought me down another half a second in the quarter.....and cost five times as much to do.
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I would get gears and then do the H/C later, but that's cause my cash is low at the moment.
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if you dont want as much down time, build your car from the rear to the front... you break less **** that way...put h/c and your tranny or rear will go... build a tranny and you kill the rear.. build your rear and it outlasts tranny and motor in stock form.... most bang for your buck is a set of gears...4:10 will roll out hard... best mod for the money if you ask me...
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Aren't 4:10's a lil much for DD?

I know he wants a weekend warrior, I'm just curious.
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^ not at all.... it raises rpms about 400 in 6th gear at 90 mph.. not much at all...
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Originally Posted by ANTICOP RAM AIR
^ not at all.... it raises rpms about 400 in 6th gear at 90 mph.. not much at all...

What about in a A4?
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id get H/C no question. youll have some serious power.
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Read the 3000 stall or 3.73s thread I started....I chose 3.73s (had 2.73s) and I'm completly satisfied...A H/C, now that I've got a chance to ride in one will hands down give you more power race wise..... Gears are fun comparably to the stock 2.73 I had...SOTP goes up dramaticly driving through town and it "feels" like I picked up a whole lotta performance...But an H/C is proven to give better performance gains than gears..
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Originally Posted by sepsis
What about in a A4?

Im not sure.... generally 3:42 to 4:10s is a 20% increase (approx)... I cruise in my a4 at 80 mph at about 2500rpm.. so Id guess it would raise it about 500 rpm... A4s are a little more picky because their line pressure or shift points are pre tuned and dependant on you MAF... You would be changing it quite a bit and I dont know if you would have to get some sort of tune or reprogram so the tranny doesnt burn itself up... Im not tranny professional but I would PM 01redssa4, hes the tranny guru of tech... he could tell you for sure..
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Originally Posted by ANTICOP RAM AIR
Im not sure.... generally 3:42 to 4:10s is a 20% increase (approx)... I cruise in my a4 at 80 mph at about 2500rpm.. so Id guess it would raise it about 500 rpm... A4s are a little more picky because their line pressure or shift points are pre tuned and dependant on you MAF... You would be changing it quite a bit and I dont know if you would have to get some sort of tune or reprogram so the tranny doesnt burn itself up... Im not tranny professional but I would PM 01redssa4, hes the tranny guru of tech... he could tell you for sure..

Wait, do you have a stick or automatic? In your other post you said you cruise in 6th.
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Thanks for the responses (minus the hijacker )

I guess a better question would
be, should I even get gears if I know I'll go H/C anyway? Won't be launching it a whole lot but if I got gears then AND H/C I'd still be on the stock rear end..
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lol.. who me???
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Originally Posted by sepsis
Wait, do you have a stick or automatic? In your other post you said you cruise in 6th.
my old car was stick with 410s.. my 99 is an a4 with stock rear.. Im gonna stop jackin this guys thread.. haha
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I say H/C just because I wouldn't throw money into the stock 10-bolt. Just dont launch too aggresively and you might be ok on that 10-bolt. If not then you can do a rear later with gears and have both!
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Originally Posted by sepsis
Aren't 4:10's a lil much for DD?

I know he wants a weekend warrior, I'm just curious.
i can go 30mph in 6th if i try hard enough lol. my city fuel economy has actually gone up a little bit. I probably lost 1 - 2 mpg on the highway, more than worth it to me!
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Lol no anticop, sepsis was who I was talking about. Get off my thread! Jk.

But gears first or H/C??
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Originally Posted by MEGATRONSS
Lol no anticop, sepsis was who I was talking about. Get off my thread! Jk.

But gears first or H/C??
You could do gears and a cam first and then do heads later. still cheaper than H/C and it'll make a huge difference...just a thought!



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