Dynamometer Results & Comparisons - Vengeance Racing Built 383 Stroker

Built and Fordged 383 Stroker from Vengeance
Kooks Long tubes
GMMG Exhaust
102 Intake with 102 NW TB
Trick Flow 215 CNC'd heads
Custom Vengeance Camshaft on a 111 LSA



505HP 486TQ through a T56 and stock rear 3.42 gears, Yes there is a goofy dip in the TQ, I had a dip in my timing table that we corrected. Also Oval tips are on the way!

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Videos!

http://youtu.be/wmGmMSnb_qU

http://youtu.be/mjGsG9KxiPA

Nice torque numbers and curve. More info on the cam?

nice torque numbers and curve. More info on the cam?

235 235 620 620 111+2

Thanks. I bet it's a blast to drive with that much torque.

Thanks. I bet it's a blast to drive with that much torque.

Makes it a ton of fun! Cant say enough good things about Vengenace!!!!!

Nice videos; thing is a real BEAST. I think so many people get caught up in the "how much horsepower does it make" frame of mind and don't pay enough attention to torque. Torque is what makes a car fun to drive, especially if it's going to primarily be a street car. And yeah, I've heard nothing but good things about Vengence.

awesome torque! congrats :)

Nice numbers!

It's all fun and games til the 10 bolt breaks lol

Nice build man!
Congrats!

It's all fun and games til the 10 bolt breaks lol

Nice build man!
Congrats!

Believe it or not its the 5th one in the car! Never broke one just tons of noise and clunking! good thing I only paid for 1 of them! Some day it will have a 12 bolt! Until then I am being careful! LOL!!

Sounds awesome!!!! I dont think your neighbors appreciate it quite as much though = )

I think your combo may have swayed me to build my ls1 over buying a 408. Nice results. Looks and sounds strong!

Awesome Build!

Your torque is crazy!

I have a very similar 383 build.

Fast 102/102
TFS 225 heads
240/244 .620 110 cam
T56 and S60

I made 490 hp 450 tq through the s60, so I think my hp is on par with yours but you are making way more torque, im jealous!

Maybe going with a 215 head would have been a better choice.

I dont think your 10 bolt will last long haha

Sounds healthy! :D

Exhaust set up? My 402 has almost the same set up and made similar numbers. I want to upgrade to 1 7/8 and a 3"X but Im not sure what its worth power wise. Nice numbers!

What internals did you go with?

just watched the vids, thats a BA car you got there!

Exhaust set up? My 402 has almost the same set up and made similar numbers. I want to upgrade to 1 7/8 and a 3"X but Im not sure what its worth power wise. Nice numbers!

The only Exhaust out there worth it! GMMG!! My oval tips showed up yesterday!

What internals did you go with?

I have Manley crank, Rods, and Pistons. Callies Bearings.

It's a nice build but the tq COULD be from one vengeance's dyno(a jet) and two stock 10 bolt.. I wanted to get a guy who was on vengeance's dyno to come to the mustang dyno i use to see the difference between the two. He would not do it,so i never got to find out. He is a cool guy,but thought i was trying to insult the numbers i guess. I really wanted to just see the difference because i also have a head,cam and intake set up from vengeance. I changed the cam for a pat g cam and it was an improvement. Vengeance is a great shop,very helpful and was happy i did my buying from them. Nice build,the motor should last you many miles of fun comming from them. I like that catback too..

It's a nice build but the tq COULD be from one vengeance's dyno(a jet) and two stock 10 bolt.. I wanted to get a guy who was on vengeance's dyno to come to the mustang dyno i use to see the difference between the two. He would not do it,so i never got to find out. He is a cool guy,but thought i was trying to insult the numbers i guess. I really wanted to just see the difference because i also have a head,cam and intake set up from vengeance. I changed the cam for a pat g cam and it was an improvement. Vengeance is a great shop,very helpful and was happy i did my buying from them. Nice build,the motor should last you many miles of fun comming from them. I like that catback too..

Hey Mike, How much did your AFR headed 346 make on the mustang dyno that you use?, if I remember correctly it was 464/414?..After I bought the entire motor from you (intake to oil pan, exhaust & your tuned PCM to go with it) it made 458/413 on BackStreet Performances DynoJet (SAE) and on another Dyno Jet it made 457/415. Then I took the car to a local stang dyno and did 464/???

Yes sir... However,on speed inc's jet it was 30hp higher then kirk and 25hp on hardcores. I been on both..I can only judge from two dyno jets i been on. and both were a nice bit higher then kirks. also,my new combo was way higher on a jet wich i was on a month ago over the new stang dyno i got tuned on. This new stang dyno is even lower then kirks. The numbers seem high on vengeance dyno and since i was buying a combo from them i wanted this guy to come and see the difference. so 30th,as you can see how dyno's very always have and will. If you want to add something pm me so we don't fill up this guys section with our dyno vs dyno vs dyno vs dyno.

Holy torque! That's a nice curve

Could you get that kind of torque curve out of a 402?

Could you get that kind of torque curve out of a 402?

Absolutely...plenty of 500/500 combos out there

Yes sir... However,on speed inc's jet it was 30hp higher then kirk and 25hp on hardcores. I been on both..I can only judge from two dyno jets i been on. and both were a nice bit higher then kirks. also,my new combo was way higher on a jet wich i was on a month ago over the new stang dyno i got tuned on. This new stang dyno is even lower then kirks. The numbers seem high on vengeance dyno and since i was buying a combo from them i wanted this guy to come and see the difference. so 30th,as you can see how dyno's very always have and will. If you want to add something pm me so we don't fill up this guys section with our dyno vs dyno vs dyno vs dyno.

Honestly from everything I have seen Vengeance's dyno tends to be on the low side, they have taken a few cars over to dyno labs across town and they are usually lower. But it's 6-1 half dozen and the other, the car is what it is! Makes great power, drives perfect and it's a blast to drive oh and it's quick! So at the end of the day I really don't care about the numbers, Vengeance put together one hell of a combo!! They have built 3 different cars for me and this is by far my favorite! Yes theres dyno jet and mustang dyno haters and lovers, but my car put down what it put down and I am more than pleased! I would have been happy with 480 or 490, but it made 505 with me sitting there watching! Was a great day at Vengeance!!!!!!!!

Nice numbers! The torque is the key to having fun on the street. I agree.....Vengeance does great work!

Hows the driveability with this setup? Hows the gas mileage also?

What's the compression on that motor?

Hows the driveability with this setup? Hows the gas mileage also?

Best cam I have driven to date as far as driveability! It thumps hard as hell at the light but I can lug it at 1400 RPM in 6th and get hardly if any cam bucking. Drives smooth but sounds like a beast!

What's the compression on that motor?

The compression is a bit high, I think we figured 11.9-12 I think dont quote me, I have had so many builds its hard to remember.

Oh ok. If I decide to go with a 383, I'll want mine around 11.5:1. I wanna higher compression but still safe with 93 octane.

Oh ok. If I decide to go with a 383, I'll want mine around 11.5:1. I wanna higher compression but still safe with 93 octane.

The only reason mine is high is we decked my heads for another build, I was working with what I had! I ride around on 93. No issues!

The only reason mine is high is we decked my heads for another build, I was working with what I had! I ride around on 93. No issues!

Well that's good to know, but I won't be going that high compression.

I was getting ready to toss out the idea of doing a 383 till i saw this.

I was getting ready to toss out the idea of doing a 383 till i saw this.

If your on a budget its not a bad way to go! Dont get me wrong its always nice to have more cubic inches!

No substitute for cubes, this is very interesting, 99% sure I'm going to get my 241 heads hand ported by a very reputable head and performance head specialist near me, but also been thinking a set of tfs heads for my 02 ls1 n/a 383 stroker, also nice numbers, has it been at the track yet?

Also want to get exhaust and intake match ported to heads if possible to maximize the potential but will discuss how much and if worth it for a street car with the machinest.

No substitute for cubes, this is very interesting, 99% sure I'm going to get my 241 heads hand ported by a very reputable head and performance head specialist near me, but also been thinking a set of tfs heads for my 02 ls1 n/a 383 stroker, also nice numbers, has it been at the track yet?

It has not been to the track yet, I am currently finishing up the VE table for around town driving, not to mention tires are gone! If it ever hooks up it should be a nice 11 sec car. I tend to break shit when I go to the track so I dont do it very often.

Also want to get exhaust and intake match ported to heads if possible to maximize the potential but will discuss how much and if worth it for a street car with the machinest.

I actually do not have my 102 ported, My heads are CNC'd, a 102 on my motor as well as the 100m TB are complete over kill but, with that being said I can flow more than the motor can take and eventully when I get tired of this set up I will have the bolt ons for the next BIGGER thing! Got to remember though, if you get the air in you have to get it out!

SAE numbers?