Automotive News, Media & Press - 2013 Hyundai Genesis Gets More Power

And more questionable styling tweaks.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/01/my13gencoupe06-opt.jpg

The 3.8-liter V6 in the Genesis coupe now makes 348 horsepower and 296 pound-feet of torque. The 2.0 turbo four model moves to 274 and 275 pound-feet. It also gets an eight-speed automatic transmission.

It still doesn't appear to be a threat to the American muscle cars in the power or looks departments.

Yea not really... I mean its competition for V6 American cars but its got nothing on V8's so I'm not worried. & us LS1 can still take it out! :)

Has the same nasty ass grill design as those fucking goofy retard smile Mazdas.

If that black strip wasn't on the front it would look pretty good. I also think an LS1 isn't going to have its way with one of these. If my math is right 348 is more than what any stock LS1 makes. The WS6 and SS make like what 325 or so? I know that's not to the ground, but still I bet that thing puts at least 325 or 330 down.

If that black strip wasn't on the front it would look pretty good. I also think an LS1 isn't going to have its way with one of these. If my math is right 348 is more than what any stock LS1 makes. The WS6 and SS make like what 325 or so? I know that's not to the ground, but still I bet that thing puts at least 325 or 330 down.

Ehh my 01 Z28 threw down 323/337 with a Borla cat back only..... The Genesis is like low 300s to the wheel. & its torque isn't so impressive? Guess someones going to have to set something up when they come out!

You have to admit that is impressive for a six banger though. Technology is crazy now.

If my math is right 348 is more than what any stock LS1 makes. The WS6 and SS make like what 325 or so?

False, ls1 engines in fbodies were underrated. They made the same ~345hp as the Corvette.

The SS and WS6 making more was another marketing gimmick.

False, ls1 engines in fbodies were underrated. They made the same ~345hp as the Corvette.

The SS and WS6 making more was another marketing gimmick.

I didn't know that. So people just buy the WS6 for the big hood and the rims essentially :jest: jk jk jk

At what RPM does it make those numbers?

id still buy a v6 mustang or camaro over one. i cant get over that styling.

I'd love to drive one. From what I understand, it feels "tighter" than the Mustang and Camaro. The front end may take a little getting used to, but I've always loved the overall shape and proportions. They need to quit fucking around and put their 5.0 V8 in this car.

Ehh my 01 Z28 threw down 323/337 with a Borla cat back only..... The Genesis is like low 300s to the wheel. & its torque isn't so impressive? Guess someones going to have to set something up when they come out!

Why compare the two in the first place though? Makes no sense, this car is brand-spanking new for one thing and judging by what the 3.8 V6 is rated at, I'm sure it's not even that far behind a stock LS1 car. Very strange comparison though, not at all what this car is meant to compete with.

I think it's a pretty good looking car as well, I'm liking the front end styling.

False, ls1 engines in fbodies were underrated. They made the same ~345hp as the Corvette.

The SS and WS6 making more was another marketing gimmick.

348HP is more than 345HP, FYI.

God damn my car feels ancient and underpowered now. A V6 with more horsepower and 4 more gears than my car. Once I get in the new car market again there will be a LOT of choices.

348HP is more than 345HP, FYI.



Haha, that's really not even enough to make a difference.

horsepower doesnt win races, torque does.

And gearing. And weight.

horsepower doesnt win races, torque does.

I never said the Genesis was faster or would win a race, but it does have more horsepower, that's a fact.

I think a lot of us need to get on with the times and accept the fact the LS1 isn't as fast as it used to be. I posted in a threadin another section about saying how i thought the wrx was a good car and got flamed like no other. This little Hyundai is probably a decent runner.

The Genesis is fairly heavy. I think it weighs as much as the new Camaro, bordering on the 4,000 mark.

All these new cars are putting down impressive HP numbers, a lot are easily in the 300 and up range, but none of them have been able to match the LS1 for torque yet. Only the new V8's can produce more torque. The LS1 will hold its edge for a few more years.

I actually want a 4cyl turbo dd. Id prefer US made but this is tempting.

The Genesis is fairly heavy. I think it weighs as much as the new Camaro, bordering on the 4,000 mark.

All these new cars are putting down impressive HP numbers, a lot are easily in the 300 and up range, but none of them have been able to match the LS1 for torque yet. Only the new V8's can produce more torque. The LS1 will hold its edge for a few more years.

True but its a 6cyl...:confused:

The Genesis is fairly heavy. I think it weighs as much as the new Camaro, bordering on the 4,000 mark.

All these new cars are putting down impressive HP numbers, a lot are easily in the 300 and up range, but none of them have been able to match the LS1 for torque yet. Only the new V8's can produce more torque. The LS1 will hold its edge for a few more years.

:lol: No, the Genesis coupe is not even CLOSE to that weight. I don't even think the V8 Genesis sedan weighs 4,000lbs.

Edit: Excuse me, the 5.0 R-Spec sedan weighs 4,100lbs.

I hate the new look, but like the new powerplant.

I like it! Looks like a GTR!

Why compare the two in the first place though? Makes no sense, this car is brand-spanking new for one thing and judging by what the 3.8 V6 is rated at, I'm sure it's not even that far behind a stock LS1 car. Very strange comparison though, not at all what this car is meant to compete with.

I think it's a pretty good looking car as well, I'm liking the front end styling.

Ummm ok? :confused: Didn't think it was going to be such a BIG deal....... You can compare any two cars that are based for performance. I mean it IS based towards competition for Mustangs, Camaros, & Challengers. So... The 306hp/266lb tq 2011 Genesis ran low 14's. So with 42 more hp & 30 more tq. In the same range as a LS1?

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1004_2011_mustang_v6_vs_2010_genesis_coupe_3_8_vs_ 2010_camaro_rs_vs_2010_challenger_se/viewall.html

People in the real world have run mid-upper 13s in the 306hp Genesis coupes. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this car runs low 13s.

Guess we shall all see!

The Genesis is fairly heavy. I think it weighs as much as the new Camaro, bordering on the 4,000 mark.

All these new cars are putting down impressive HP numbers, a lot are easily in the 300 and up range, but none of them have been able to match the LS1 for torque yet. Only the new V8's can produce more torque. The LS1 will hold its edge for a few more years.Couldn't be more wrong, they actually weigh just as much as our 4th gens do, right around 3400 pounds. I love the car overall and even like the changes to the front end EXCEPT the damn grille, seems like they still can't get it right... the 5.0 tau does fit for sure so they need to step up fosho

I really like the 4.6 sedan and the :hail: 5.0 R-Spec :drool:
Someone tell me why Hyundai is doing well with these cars and GM can't make anything like them? :mad:

348HP is more than 345HP, FYI.


I was actually correcting the statement that a ls1 makes 325 in the SS or WS6, but now that you mention it....

but it does have more horsepower, that's a fact.

:eyes: Actually, it is a claim unless two specific engines are being tested side by side in equal scientific conditions, smartass.

Besides that, the ls1 was rated at 350bhp from 2001+. "OMG that's 2 more HP...FYI"

Besides that, if you think there will be not be 3hp+ difference at the crank from engine to engine you are bat shit crazy.

Carry on.
:chug:

The Genesis is fairly heavy. I think it weighs as much as the new Camaro, bordering on the 4,000 mark.

All these new cars are putting down impressive HP numbers, a lot are easily in the 300 and up range, but none of them have been able to match the LS1 for torque yet. Only the new V8's can produce more torque. The LS1 will hold its edge for a few more years.

Uhhhh..no

The V6 is justunder 3400lbs and the turbo 4 is 100lbs lighter.

Being that is built on the sedan struture, it seems they could stuff their 5.0 in there, and join the "muscle car rank" pretty easily as it makes 430hp in R spec (sedan). Although, they have also build a supercharged v6 that could play as well.

That being sauid, I am not a huge fan of the new Hyundai grill.

...how come i done have a eight speed auto in my car :(

The 8 speed tranny is something I just do not understand. With as much power as these cars have you'd think the extra gears are pointless.

Why would the "extra" gears be pointless?

Why would the "extra" gears be pointless?More weight, more costs, potentially less reliability (more moving parts ALWAYS increases the chance of breakage) etc.
In these times of need for better/increased fuel efficiency through lower highway RPM especially in a powerful vehicle, it is absolutely necessary to have a few extra overdrives. Otherwise the powers that be wouldn't even allow one to buy cars like these nor be able to afford to fuel them so I fully understand the need for a 6 (or maybe even 7) speed transmission (manual, and/or especially automatic).

I mean, if 8 forward speeds is definitely better in every way than 6 or 7, then why not 15 gears?:huh:

I'm sure they didn't just say "hey let's add some speeds!" I would wager you didn't voice these same concerns when Chevrolet announced the new 6spd automatic in the Corvette. I mean, you did buy one. And these newer multi-speed transmissions aren't just adding overdrives, they are trying to eliminate dead spots. Though I wouldn't have minded a 7th gear double-overdrive in my S2000. 4,000rpm at 75mph doesn't "get old," but when you're just cruising I'm sure it would have helped gas mileage.

That thing will absolutely smoke a stock LS1 F-Body if they make the first three gears on the EIGHT speed transmission dig gears.

The torque numbers are low, but the gearing is a torque multiplier. That thing will give other people issues especially if they make the 1:1 gear far up in the range such as 5th or 6th gear.

Additionally, due to the multiple gears the car can also run an ultra-high final gearing. so I wouldn't expect an F-Body to be able to run it down on the top end either.

This car brags about going 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. So acceleration is good for what it is, but not quite in LS1 territory yet.

The figure I read was 0-60mph in "under 5.5 seconds."

The figure I read was 0-60mph in "under 5.5 seconds."

Yeah. Tests will vary from person to person. If you read what the LS1 Camaro was tested at, it was only capable of a 13.8 1/4 mile with the 6 speed. My car with an automatic etched that out by .3 seconds.

Really no way to compare one of these cars until we get a multitude of reviews and someone with firsthand experience against one of these.

Exactly.

Seems to me that (at least in the V8) the broad torque band could work well with a more conventional 6 speed. I bet if you give the engine time to work with only 2 or 3 gear changes instead of zing it up and down the rpm range the 0-60 times and 1/4 mile would improve. And the engine would not jump all over the tach at cruise just because you dial up a little oomph to get up that hill.

Yes I like the idea of a couple overdrives. Worked so well in the F and Y bodies. But 8 speeds seems like way overkill. If the engine is so bad on fuel economy that it needs 3 or 4 overdrives; perhaps you just need to change the final drive ratio and live with slightly less acceleration but a smoother ride without 5 shifts getting to the next stop light.

I also hate the same idea in BMW and Mercedes. Anything over 6 speeds belongs on a vehicle with 18 wheels. Just my opinion.

The only thing that the traditional LS1 F-Body has over this car is pure displacement and good old fashioned power under the curve. That can count for a lot when it comes to real world driving conditions because the car can just rely on its brute power to get up to speed.

However, the Hyundai has a lot going for it, especially if the engineers really worked out the dead spots in the powerband with the 8 speed transmission. If the car is capable of putting itself in the proper gear at the proper RPM at any speed to maximize its power, then that would be a real problem for the F-Body. Just think, no more "40-50" MPH dead spots that the M6 guys had to suffer through, IE too high for 2nd gear, too low for third gear scenerios.

T the proper RPM

Am I the only person left in the world that still has problems trusting a Hyundai?

and if not, why do people put more faith in Hyundai over a GM product? GM was no where near as bad as Hyundai of the 80s 90s and 2000s and is still better than them today? What the hell happened?

I don't think its an issue of trusting Hyundai. I think what were seeing here is the overall result of the past decade of design philosophy breaking through. While GM was fighting bankruptcy, negotiating labor disputes and negating research and development, Hyundai was able to spring board off its prior acheivements and set its self up to produce the next generation of cars, with this being one of the results.

I think a ton of people are having issues dealing with it and are focusing instead on the merits of a now-obsolete 14 year old platform as a coping mechanism.

Seems to me that (at least in the V8) the broad torque band could work well with a more conventional 6 speed. I bet if you give the engine time to work with only 2 or 3 gear changes instead of zing it up and down the rpm range the 0-60 times and 1/4 mile would improve. And the engine would not jump all over the tach at cruise just because you dial up a little oomph to get up that hill.

Yes I like the idea of a couple overdrives. Worked so well in the F and Y bodies. But 8 speeds seems like way overkill. If the engine is so bad on fuel economy that it needs 3 or 4 overdrives; perhaps you just need to change the final drive ratio and live with slightly less acceleration but a smoother ride without 5 shifts getting to the next stop light.

I also hate the same idea in BMW and Mercedes. Anything over 6 speeds belongs on a vehicle with 18 wheels. Just my opinion.
:lol: It doesn't have 3 or 4 overdrives. You go ahead and hold on to your opinion though.
Am I the only person left in the world that still has problems trusting a Hyundai?

and if not, why do people put more faith in Hyundai over a GM product? GM was no where near as bad as Hyundai of the 80s 90s and 2000s and is still better than them today? What the hell happened?
Hyundai has been steadily improving the past 20 years, and has taken enormous steps in the past decade. They tend to listen to be more communicative with their customers as well, from what I've heard. Whereas while Hyundai was getting to their best, GM was heading toward their worst. It is much easier to gain somebody's trust than it is to gain it back.

Hyundai built some of the biggest pieces of shit cars since they yugo. Literally every car they made was junk. We owned a hyundai excell. My dad took it to a carwash and the thing died....literally. He pulled the plates off and left it there. So yeah I will say gaining hyundais trust back should be a big deal if anyone has ever owned one through 2006. Just a big head scratcher, thats all.

Through '06? Exaggerate much?

Hyundai built some of the biggest pieces of shit cars since they yugo. Literally every car they made was junk. We owned a hyundai excell. My dad took it to a carwash and the thing died....literally. He pulled the plates off and left it there. So yeah I will say gaining hyundais trust back should be a big deal if anyone has ever owned one through 2006. Just a big head scratcher, thats all.

Through '06? Exaggerate much?

No kidding. I don't have too much experience in Hyundais, but I've been around a few Kias. (Which is like saying Chevy and Pontiac) And none of them had any reliability problems. My girlfriend drives a 2002 Spectra, and while it's not a nice car and everything feels light and cheap, it just keeps going and has held up quite well. My mother drives a 2007 Kia Rio and that car still feels light, but in a much better way. The interior and exterior fit and finish are pretty nice for the basement pricing. Lastly my ex-wife has a 2011 Sorento and that thing is just a joy to drive as far as SUVs are concerned. It's much closer to a Buick Enclave than the 2006 Rendezvous that it replaced.

Hyundai built some of the biggest pieces of shit cars since they yugo. Literally every car they made was junk. We owned a hyundai excell. My dad took it to a carwash and the thing died....literally. He pulled the plates off and left it there. So yeah I will say gaining hyundais trust back should be a big deal if anyone has ever owned one through 2006. Just a big head scratcher, thats all.

10 years ago GM was on top of the game, and Hyundai was barely a blip on the radar.

Flash forward to today and here we are having this conversation.

Seems to me that (at least in the V8) the broad torque band could work well with a more conventional 6 speed. I bet if you give the engine time to work with only 2 or 3 gear changes instead of zing it up and down the rpm range the 0-60 times and 1/4 mile would improve. And the engine would not jump all over the tach at cruise just because you dial up a little oomph to get up that hill.

Yes I like the idea of a couple overdrives. Worked so well in the F and Y bodies. But 8 speeds seems like way overkill. If the engine is so bad on fuel economy that it needs 3 or 4 overdrives; perhaps you just need to change the final drive ratio and live with slightly less acceleration but a smoother ride without 5 shifts getting to the next stop light.

I also hate the same idea in BMW and Mercedes. Anything over 6 speeds belongs on a vehicle with 18 wheels. Just my opinion.

Not necessarily.

GM has the design philosophy of arbitrarily combining motors and transmissions. While this may work well with standard commuter cars and trucks, design fallacies start rearing it's ugly head when you really start taking a microscope to the power band and you can tell where the gaps in performance are.

A car manufacturer can design a car from the ground up with the specific transmission and engine combination in mind. It's a pretty powerful tool when you can design a engine from a clean sheet design with certain head flow figures, bore and stroke design, and a multitude of other factors to make the engine produce a certain horsepower and torque at designed RPM's, and then mate it to a transmission that was specifically built with the engine specification in mind to keep it at it's peak operating potential AT ALL TIMES. That's heads and tails over the current GM manufacturing mindset that just arbitrarily pairs a standard M1A1 transmission with the standard M1A1 engine of the day and hope they can just tune out the design fallacies.

So my question is, what's the argument here? Is it GM versus Hyundai? Or is it specifically this car versus a stock LS1 F-Body? I'll bite on that. I think the difference will be specifically down to what configuration the F-Body is in. If it's a M6 coupe that's been worked over properly, then yes, I think the F-Body will soundly thrash the car. If it's a slush-box convertible Z28 that's bone stock down to the stock 16 inch pizza cutters and paper air filter, then the Hyundai won't even be able to see it in the rear view mirrors.

The problem is that the biggest difference between the two F-Bodies is also the Hyundai's biggest advantage. The M6 F-body has two extra gears and a lower final drive to work with then the Automatic F-Body that only has a four speed automatic. The Hyundai shows up to the party with two extra gears to work with and a dedicated design structure.

If your willing to admit the six speed has the advantage over the four speed, then why wouldn't you be willing to admit that the eight speed has the advantage over the six speed?

Cuz it's a Hyundai.

There had been dome talk of the next Corvette getting a 7-speed manual. I played with some ratios vs the T-56 4th gen ratios most of us are familiar with. If done right, the gearing can be just below a 4.10 equiped F-body, while still maintaining the final overdrive of a 3.42 equipped 4th gen.

There had been dome talk of the next Corvette getting a 7-speed manual. I played with some ratios vs the T-56 4th gen ratios most of us are familiar with. If done right, the gearing can be just below a 4.10 equiped F-body, while still maintaining the final overdrive of a 3.42 equipped 4th gen.

Exactly. You can gear them agressively for acceleration yet still have the flexibilty to get good mpg without having any dead sports.

I have no problem with Hyundai as a company. They have come up by leaps and bounds. I really like the Genesis Sedan.

My opinion is that 7 or 8 forward gears is over complicated, too heavy, and more opportunity for failure. Maybe they make it work and that is fine. Maybe the tranny doesn't shift up and down everytime you breathe on the gas pedal. But if it isn't going to shift everytime you manipulate the throttle pedal and keep the engine in a specific rpm range; I fail to see the need...And yes that is the opinion I will keep. If it does not have 3 or 4 overdrives it has 6 gears with a ratio lower than 1.00:1. That is a whole lot of shifting. Is first gear super low like 5:1?

10 years ago GM was on top of the game, and Hyundai was barely a blip on the radar.

Flash forward to today and here we are having this conversation.

10 years ago GM was producing garbage cars and rebadging them across numerous brands. Cars trimmed with shiny vinyl and plastic inside and built so poorly you could put your fingers between the panel gaps. Cars that had powertrains that originated decades ago. Cars that had no attention to style, detail or dynamics whatsoever.

GM vehicles are as improved today as Hyundai/Kia products are from what they were years ago. You can say the same about Ford as well. It's amazing to look back at ten years ago and see how aged and cruddy looking American cars were.

Grey plastic days indeed.

10 years ago GM was producing garbage cars and rebadging them across numerous brands. Cars trimmed with shiny vinyl and plastic inside and built so poorly you could put your fingers between the panel gaps. Cars that had powertrains that originated decades ago. Cars that had no attention to style, detail or dynamics whatsoever.

GM vehicles are as improved today as Hyundai/Kia products are from what they were years ago. You can say the same about Ford as well. It's amazing to look back at ten years ago and see how aged and cruddy looking American cars were.

Grey plastic days indeed.

I agree with this post. My Camaro, as far as quality goes, is a straight up piece of shit.

I also hate the same idea in BMW and Mercedes. Anything over 6 speeds belongs on a vehicle with 18 wheels. Just my opinion.

How so? A lot of the fastest super cars today have transmissions with 7+ gears. Besides, with the state that technology is currently in, I'm sure it's a design that has been almost perfected by now so I wouldn't worry too much about having a lot of reliability issues with them.

in the sedan there is a 5.0 in the r-spec idk if it is v8, I have driven these. I am a driver so i get to drive a lot of new cars from differnt companies.

I really like the 4.6 sedan and the :hail: 5.0 R-Spec :drool:
Someone tell me why Hyundai is doing well with these cars and GM can't make anything like them? :mad:
GM did make a car like it, the G8 GT. Then they killed Pontiac so there's only a somewhat limited number of used ones available. It's definitely the best car I ever had and the first car I don't want to sell to get something better.

There has been rumors of Chevy selling them but it hasn't materialized. The Lumina SS has a Chevy front end so it would be an easy transition to make it an Impala SS or whatever else they name it.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a375/DonRome/LuminaSS.jpg

The Genesis is fairly heavy. I think it weighs as much as the new Camaro, bordering on the 4,000 mark.

All these new cars are putting down impressive HP numbers, a lot are easily in the 300 and up range, but none of them have been able to match the LS1 for torque yet. Only the new V8's can produce more torque. The LS1 will hold its edge for a few more years.

Just FYI, Hyundai lists the 2011 Genesis coupe grand sport with the 3.8 as weighing 3389lbs...

There had been dome talk of the next Corvette getting a 7-speed manual.I think it might be beyond just 'talk', I thought it was actually a done deal. I believe it's supposed to be a traditional 7 speed manual with a clutch but there is also talk of an F1/SMG style clutchless manumatic (not sure if it would be a 6 or 7 speed) and if it happens I'd probably be all over that for my C7 if/when I order it. :nod:





GM did make a car like it, the G8 GT. Then they killed Pontiac so there's only a somewhat limited number of used ones available.

There has been rumors of Chevy selling them but it hasn't materialized. The Lumina SS has a Chevy front end so it would be an easy transition to make it an Impala SS or whatever else they name it.:werd: I agree. :nod:



http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a375/DonRome/LuminaSS.jpg

That's pretty hot, hope it happens. :burn:

I agree with this post. My Camaro, as far as quality goes, is a straight up piece of shit.

my thoughts were that fbodies were OK cars. great motor mediocre everything else.

I do not like chevys new styling, I think the 93-02 body styling is best looking

You know Chevrolet makes cars other than the Camaro, right?

I actually want a 4cyl turbo dd. Id prefer US made but this is tempting.
I would rather WALK than drive those rice junkers. USA ALL THE WAY. IF WE DO NOT SUPPORT US.........WHOS GONNA?????

And more questionable styling tweaks.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/01/my13gencoupe06-opt.jpg

The 3.8-liter V6 in the Genesis coupe now makes 348 horsepower and 296 pound-feet of torque. The 2.0 turbo four model moves to 274 and 275 pound-feet. It also gets an eight-speed automatic transmission.

It still doesn't appear to be a threat to the American muscle cars in the power or looks departments.


Uuuuuuuuggggggggggllllllllllyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

You know Chevrolet makes cars other than the Camaro, right?

lol, not on this site.

I would rather WALK than drive those rice junkers. USA ALL THE WAY. IF WE DO NOT SUPPORT US.........WHOS GONNA?????

Go ahead and support those CEOs that continue shipping manufacturing jobs to other countries... Most Hyundais are made in America ;)

Go ahead and support those CEOs that continue shipping manufacturing jobs to other countries... Most Hyundais are made in America ;)

and with our fucking money.


i wont buy a foreign car but domestic automakers dont deserve our loyalty.

This whole "buy American" mentality on here is stupid especially if buying American isn't exactly giving us what we want. What ever happened to the whole concept of Capitalist Darwinism. In order to survive, you need to make the best product available.

That's why I don't buy strictly American, Japanese or European, I buy what I like.

This whole "buy American" mentality on here is stupid especially if buying American isn't exactly giving us what we want. What ever happened to the whole concept of Capitalist Darwinism. In order to survive, you need to make the best product available.

That's why I don't buy strictly American, Japanese or European, I buy what I like.

True.

Which is why I don't buy Japanese or European - I don't really like them :P

Back on topic - Car has good power and decent torque but not my cup of tea looks-wise. Also, I say bring it on with the competition only makes for more challenges.

This whole "buy American" mentality on here is stupid especially if buying American isn't exactly giving us what we want. What ever happened to the whole concept of Capitalist Darwinism. In order to survive, you need to make the best product available.

That's why I don't buy strictly American, Japanese or European, I buy what I like.
That is the reason our once great country isn't so great any more, since it's so hard to find steady good paying work these days. Things were so much better 20-30 years ago, and everyday it just keeps getting worse & worse....

That is the reason our once great country isn't so great any more, since it's so hard to find steady good paying work these days. Things were so much better 20-30 years ago, and everyday it just keeps getting worse & worse....


this country really needs more manufacturing jobs. thats why i get upset on here when i read posts about getting rid of certain jobs because they belong to a union. thats just idiotic but im getting off topic.

That is the reason our once great country isn't so great any more, since it's so hard to find steady good paying work these days. Things were so much better 20-30 years ago, and everyday it just keeps getting worse & worse....

Define "that."

Go ahead and support those CEOs that continue shipping manufacturing jobs to other countries...Good point, that is definitely something I'd rather not see happening. :nono:

But I sort of look at it this way. If the CEOs of say, Ford and GM are Americans living in America then they have children/grandchildren (and someday great great grandchildren) also living/growing up/attending school/seeking employment here as well.
The decisions that these high ranking executives (and even the decisions that WE the consumers) make will have a direct effect on their own family/offspring.
Maybe I'm being naive but I have to trust that these guys do care at least a little bit about the long term societal fallout/effects of their corporate decisions and not just about lining their own (and their shareholder's) pockets.
I guess my (somewhat off topic and not entirely relevant) point is, they might ALL be crooks but which CEO do you think cares more about the nation that YOU live in?
So, should an American citizen support the CEOs of Toyota/Honda/BMW etc whose sole priorities might lie with/for the nation where their children/grandchildren likely live and go to school (Japan, Germany) or should I support the guy that might have his own flesh & blood living just a few hundred miles from me?






this country really needs more manufacturing jobs.:werd: I could not agree more. :nod:
Back in the prosperous post war '50s, '60s and '70s there were LOTS more of them too.
How ironic that back in the '50s, '60s and '70s Americans were also buying more GM, Ford and Chrysler vehicles than they do today as well.
Coincidence?

The best thing to do would be to buy from the company that is truly providing the best offering for your wants/needs. Supporting a company based on the country of origin doesn't help anyone in the long run. But if we had to pick, I would be hard-pressed to consciously decide to buy from a company that sends thousands of jobs overseas so the CEO can make an extra million dollars a year over the company that built multiple plants in this country. The stateside infrastructure of these "foreign" companies is incredibly dense and widespread. So the amount of money going overseas is probably less than you would think. I'm going to have to do a paper or project over this topic in the near future. I am an economics minor, after all.

Hyundai built some of the biggest pieces of shit cars since they yugo. Literally every car they made was junk. We owned a hyundai excell. My dad took it to a carwash and the thing died....literally. He pulled the plates off and left it there. So yeah I will say gaining hyundais trust back should be a big deal if anyone has ever owned one through 2006. Just a big head scratcher, thats all.

Not sure if ANY car maker maker can hide from their terrible past, even GM or Ford. Would you like a Pontiac Sunfire? How bout a Cavalier? Ford Escort? No? Why not?

These are cars made as cheaply as possible for people to get themselves from point A to point B, that's it! NO FUN FACTOR INVOLVED! And The majority of the population belong in this crowd, that's why camry, civic, corolla are the high volume selling cars. People want no headache, and they'll think of a Fun Car has a baggage of some sort, unreliable and not realistic ect.

The best thing to do would be to buy from the company that is truly providing the best offering for your wants/needs. Supporting a company based on the country of origin doesn't help anyone in the long run.Yes, and the laws/principles of capitalism/free markets state exactly that. :nod:
Of course not all of those 'other' markets act quite as free or open as ours does now do they? ;)

But, if EVERYONE eventually buys from ONLY the likes of Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, BMW etc (be it from plants here or abroad) and GM and Ford are ultimately driven out, ya know what could happen then right?
The same exact damn thing that you all complain that happened in the '70s with the domestic nameplates...a bunch of fat, bloated, overconfident car companies that can produce/market any damn crap they want because YOU now no longer have a choice, you have to buy from them and pay whatever they ask for it (if you want a new vehicle that is). Your freedom to roam/ability to get to work controlled by a Japanese/Korean car company.
Can you even imagine our United States Armed Forces having to go to war with say, Korea or China while at the same time relying on a Korean or Chinese designed/built/serviced tank to deliver them to/from safety? :eek: LOL :lol:

The one thing in our favor this time around of course is that there will likely be more car companies in the market so that might just keep at least some of them on their toes in an attempt to stay competitive and not become just another '70s era Chrysler.

But hey, none of that could ever happen anyway, right? ;)

That would suck, but I doubt it will happen. Ford and GM seem to be a lot more perceptive to the markets they serve nowadays. They have seen what not to do, and also that complacency will no longer be rewarded. But if the worst happens, greed will be partially responsible.

That would suck, but I doubt it will happen. Ford and GM seem to be a lot more perceptive to the markets they serve nowadays. They have seen what not to do, and also that complacency will no longer be rewarded.Agreed. And I sure do hope you're right.

That is the reason our once great country isn't so great any more, since it's so hard to find steady good paying work these days. Things were so much better 20-30 years ago, and everyday it just keeps getting worse & worse....

Its capitalism. Just like democracy its major flaw is allowing every option available. Its the best system to go by and the only way to work with it is for American companies to make the best product available. If you can't make the best product available or market your product well you are dooming yourself to failure and that's not the consumer's fault, that's the company's.

http://www.forumspile.com/Thread-Direction.jpg

Its capitalism. Just like democracy its major flaw is allowing every option available. Its the best system to go by and the only way to work with it is for American companies to make the best product available. If you can't make the best product available or market your product well you are dooming yourself to failure and that's not the consumer's fault, that's the company's.True. :nod:
But principles and ideologies aside, who 'pays' when it all goes bad (ie: the collapse of Americans in 'actual control' of America)? :nono:
We do.
Now, I'd rather not buy inferior wares, but I'd still sooner buy a mediocre product if it meant I was possibly helping protect my nation from economic ruin then 'buy the best for me me me' while watching your children's (I fortunately don't have kids that will need jobs some day) future crumble based solely on 'principle'...if that were the only two choices (fortunately it currently is not) that is.
This all a bit paranoid and doomsdayish I know, but better we question it/analyze it a little now before it's too late. :)

http://www.forumspile.com/Thread-Direction.jpgAlso true LOL. :lol:

But at the same time, without the money that Ford and GM pull in from foreign markets, they both would have been in a much different situation a couple years ago. Global economics is a strange, complicated woman. So I guess it's a regular woman :lol:.

10 years ago GM was producing garbage cars and rebadging them across numerous brands. Cars trimmed with shiny vinyl and plastic inside and built so poorly you could put your fingers between the panel gaps. Cars that had powertrains that originated decades ago. Cars that had no attention to style, detail or dynamics whatsoever.

GM vehicles are as improved today as Hyundai/Kia products are from what they were years ago. You can say the same about Ford as well. It's amazing to look back at ten years ago and see how aged and cruddy looking American cars were.

Grey plastic days indeed.

GM was on top of it's game back in the day. The drivetrains and engines were heads and tails over the competition and the reintroduction of the
Corvette ZO6 nameplate was just over the horizon.

I'm amazed that you, of all people, are resorting back to the weak ass ricer interior argument.

GM was on top of it's game back in the day. The drivetrains and engines were heads and tails over the competition and the reintroduction of the
Corvette ZO6 nameplate was just over the horizon.

I'm amazed that you, of all people, are resorting back to the weak ass ricer interior argument.

You're kidding yourself if you think he isn't right. GM made/makes more cars than just the Corvette and F-body twins, and a lot of them just weren't competitive until fairly recently. Build quality, interiors (which is far from a "ricer" argument, btw)... They were playing catch up.

I have no problem with Hyundai as a company. They have come up by leaps and bounds. I really like the Genesis Sedan.

My opinion is that 7 or 8 forward gears is over complicated, too heavy, and more opportunity for failure. Maybe they make it work and that is fine. Maybe the tranny doesn't shift up and down everytime you breathe on the gas pedal. But if it isn't going to shift everytime you manipulate the throttle pedal and keep the engine in a specific rpm range; I fail to see the need...And yes that is the opinion I will keep. If it does not have 3 or 4 overdrives it has 6 gears with a ratio lower than 1.00:1. That is a whole lot of shifting. Is first gear super low like 5:1?


With more gearing in the transmission, you can build a smaller displacement motor with a more refined top end to produce the bulk of the power within a very narrow RPM range. The engine will be kept at the RPM range with the use of the 8 speed transmission.

You can also put a converter in the transmission from the factory that will flash the motors up the the required RPM's and just keep it there.

Boom! Powah!

You're kidding yourself if you think he isn't right. GM made/makes more cars than just the Corvette and F-body twins, and a lot of them just weren't competitive until fairly recently. Build quality, interiors (which is far from a "ricer" argument, btw)... They were playing catch up.

GM was selling more cars worldwide then anybody else. If your talking competative from a performance standpoint, dollar for dollar not a whole lot could touch a GM product back in 2002.

Ford wasn't running anybody down in they're single cammer Mustangs that were getting outhustled by stock Camrys.

I don't think Dodge was even in the game yet with the Hemi engine.

The Z06 nameplate was starting to pull into question the likes of BMW, Mercedes, and Porsche nameplates and what they offered as far as performance for the doller.

The main problem was that GM eventually got too big to effectively manage, they breached a critical mass and eventually they had to force-shape themselves as the economy retreacted. And admitingly, they haven't quite recovered since then.

If you want to compare GM cars from then to GM cars today, then of course they are going to come out lacking. If you want to look at GM for how it was back in the day, they were an absolute powerhouse... right up until the moment they failed.

Edit: Changed my wording. For the money GM was bringing alot of bang for the buck.

Even with the edit, you're still missing the point. I am definitely not even talking about performance. I am talking about cars that weren't good enough to compete in their respective markets.

Even with the edit, you're still missing the point. I am definitely not even talking about performance. I am talking about cars that weren't good enough to compete in their respective markets.

Okay. Specifically what examples then are we talking about?

Let's just focus on the high-volume money makers; compact and mid-size family sedans. The Malibu ten years ago was a joke. The Grand Prix was decent enough on its own, but for the average family sedan shopper, the Accord or Camry was far better. Oldsmobile Alero? L.O.L. And the Cavalier and Sunfire were some of the absolute biggest pieces of garbage ever made, not to mention incredibly unsafe in an accident. The offerings from Ford were no better at that point. The Escort was a joke, and the Taurus was a shadow of its former self. Whereas the Accord, Camry, Maxima, Civic, etc., were all hitting their stride. It's not a hard concept to fathom; everybody knows that Ford and GM have made leaps and bounds in quality cars in the past five years or so, and the quality of Honda and Toyota has gone down a small, but perceptible, amount. But even the men upstairs at Ford and GM won't go so far as to say their cars are "better." They are "competitive." And you can say they are biased if you want, but I have yet to see a single test that puts a Malibu or Fusion at the top of a family sedan comparison test. So if the American offerings have gotten WAY better, the Japanese offerings have lost a little ground, and they are now basically equal...where do you think that would put them ten years ago?

for the most part the only vehicles the big three had an advantage was full size trucks. thats what kept them profitable until our economy went to shit.

for the most part the only vehicles the big three had an advantage was full size trucks. thats what kept them profitable until our economy went to shit.

Dingo bingo.

Edit: And fleet sales, of course.

Thread derailed.

Thread derailed.
Blame this guy...
I would rather WALK than drive those rice junkers. USA ALL THE WAY. IF WE DO NOT SUPPORT US.........WHOS GONNA?????

Uuuuuuuuggggggggggllllllllllyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

Lol I posted in this thread when it originally came out and it was a pretty good discussion about the Genesis and now it is something about how America is in bad shape now. In case anyone hasn't noticed, but even though our country is in a "rough spot" I would still much rather live here than anywhere else. A rough America is still a better place than 80% of the countries in the world.

GM was selling more cars worldwide then anybody else. If your talking competative from a performance standpoint, dollar for dollar not a whole lot could touch a GM product back in 2002.

Ford wasn't running anybody down in they're single cammer Mustangs that were getting outhustled by stock Camrys.

I don't think Dodge was even in the game yet with the Hemi engine.

The Z06 nameplate was starting to pull into question the likes of BMW, Mercedes, and Porsche nameplates and what they offered as far as performance for the doller.

The main problem was that GM eventually got too big to effectively manage, they breached a critical mass and eventually they had to force-shape themselves as the economy retreacted. And admitingly, they haven't quite recovered since then.

If you want to compare GM cars from then to GM cars today, then of course they are going to come out lacking. If you want to look at GM for how it was back in the day, they were an absolute powerhouse... right up until the moment they failed.

Edit: Changed my wording. For the money GM was bringing alot of bang for the buck.

I agree with you to an extent, GM used to build the consumer a lot of car for not a whole lot of money and they still do in some aspects, there is no doubt about that. However, I have to say, the quality just wasn't there at all, and it definitely shows if you just look at how some of their cars from the late 90's to early 2000's have held up over the years. A prime example being the majority of F-Body's that were actually used as drivers over their lifetime.

A lot of people say that a lot of car manufacturers build quality has sort of leveled off recently, but I definitely still question GM's. I may be opening a can of worms with this post, but whatever.

In case anyone hasn't noticed, but even though our country is in a "rough spot" I would still much rather live here than anywhere else.:werd: I agree 100%. :nod:





A rough America is still a better place than 80% of the countries in the world.True.
And everything I've posted above was STRICTLY motivated by the hope of it staying that way. :usa:

plus nobody else builds "American musclecars"

sweet. btw i wonder what those british top-gear guys wouldve said about the Ls1 if they ever tested it......

They've tested plenty of cars with LS motors. They like the engines, just not always the cars.

Let's just focus on the high-volume money makers; compact and mid-size family sedans. The Malibu ten years ago was a joke. The Grand Prix was decent enough on its own, but for the average family sedan shopper, the Accord or Camry was far better. Oldsmobile Alero? L.O.L. And the Cavalier and Sunfire were some of the absolute biggest pieces of garbage ever made, not to mention incredibly unsafe in an accident. The offerings from Ford were no better at that point. The Escort was a joke, and the Taurus was a shadow of its former self. Whereas the Accord, Camry, Maxima, Civic, etc., were all hitting their stride. It's not a hard concept to fathom; everybody knows that Ford and GM have made leaps and bounds in quality cars in the past five years or so, and the quality of Honda and Toyota has gone down a small, but perceptible, amount. But even the men upstairs at Ford and GM won't go so far as to say their cars are "better." They are "competitive." And you can say they are biased if you want, but I have yet to see a single test that puts a Malibu or Fusion at the top of a family sedan comparison test. So if the American offerings have gotten WAY better, the Japanese offerings have lost a little ground, and they are now basically equal...where do you think that would put them ten years ago?

I dunno...the ex-wife and I had a 65mph spin out into the concrete divider, in her 2002 Cavalier (hit 3 different times) and we were both just fine. Although the airbags didn't inflate even though the first hit was pretty head on...

I dunno...the ex-wife and I had a 65mph spin out into the concrete divider, in her 2002 Cavalier (hit 3 different times) and we were both just fine. Although the airbags didn't inflate even though the first hit was pretty head on...:nod: Plus, I've heard of quite a few people (I know a few of them actually) that have gotten LOTS of dependable, trouble free miles out of their Cavaliers.
Certainly not the most luxurious or fast cars they've ever owned LOL but they were all impressed with the fuel economy.
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They got a score of ONE STAR on the side impact crash test. I don't think I've ever heard of a modern car that scored that low. Regardless of how many miles you can drive it, or what gas mileage it can get, it was an under-engineered car that was the worst in its class for the better part of a decade.

Mere propoganda. Why do you all hate America? Do you not want us to be free?

Mere propoganda. Why do you all hate America? Do you not want us to be free?

You know if you really love something you can see it faults and still love it for them. I love GM and many of their cars from their worst era of car building. I love those cars and I know they're crap.

You're infatuated, wearing blinders...not to mention seeming unintelligent.

I think it might be beyond just 'talk', I thought it was actually a done deal. I believe it's supposed to be a traditional 7 speed manual with a clutch but there is also talk of an F1/SMG style clutchless manumatic (not sure if it would be a 6 or 7 speed) and if it happens I'd probably be all over that for my C7 if/when I order it. :nod:


I am pretty sure it was a done deal as well, but figured I would skip making a concrete statement. You never know what can change, and didn't want to potentially end up in another "5.5 DI" discussion.

Why do you all hate America? Do you not want us to be free?I love America, :usa: and freedom too. :nod:





I am pretty sure it was a done deal as well, but figured I would skip making a concrete statement. You never know what can change, and didn't want to potentially end up in another "5.5 DI" discussion.Agreed. :nod:

Mere propoganda. Why do you all hate America? Do you not want us to be free?
:lol: You're joking, right?
You know if you really love something you can see it faults and still love it for them. I love GM and many of their cars from their worst era of car building. I love those cars and I know they're crap.

You're infatuated, wearing blinders...not to mention seeming unintelligent.

x2

I'm sure they didn't just say "hey let's add some speeds!" I would wager you didn't voice these same concerns when Chevrolet announced the new 6spd automatic in the Corvette. I mean, you did buy one. And these newer multi-speed transmissions aren't just adding overdrives, they are trying to eliminate dead spots. Though I wouldn't have minded a 7th gear double-overdrive in my S2000. 4,000rpm at 75mph doesn't "get old," but when you're just cruising I'm sure it would have helped gas mileage.

Exactly, my G37 had a 7-speed tranny and that's what made up for the low torque. I believe these Genesis' with there 8-speed trannys are going to be stout. Everybody seems to be raising the performance bar higher and higher

:lol: It doesn't have 3 or 4 overdrives. You go ahead and hold on to your opinion though.

I just found a list of gearing. I do not know if this is V6 specific or if the same ratios are used on all three engines:
3.665
2.396
1.610
1.190
1.000
0.826 \
0.643 -- Does appear to be 3 overdrives.
0.556 /

Final drive was listed as 3.909.
The jump from first to second is pretty large, second to thrid is better, third to forth is good and after fourth they are minute. I mean the drops betwen the last 5 gears are .190, .174, .183, and .087. Really?

8 speeds?

ya know my gmc has a 6 speed tranny and I can't stand it. who wants to downshift 5 times to go up a hill?

Hyundai is notorious about copying the style of other cars. On this one, they're trying to channel nisasn's GT-R super(expensive)car.

I just found a list of gearing. I do not know if this is V6 specific or if the same ratios are used on all three engines:
3.665
2.396
1.610
1.190
1.000
0.826 \
0.643 -- Does appear to be 3 overdrives.
0.556 /

Final drive was listed as 3.909.
The jump from first to second is pretty large, second to thrid is better, third to forth is good and after fourth they are minute. I mean the drops betwen the last 5 gears are .190, .174, .183, and .087. Really?
Foot in mouth, I suppose :lol:. I intended it like, "it's not like they took a transmission geared like the T56 and added one or two overdrives." But like I said, I'm sure they did their R&D, so I'll assume that the transmission works well with the engines. Guess we'll find out.

Yeah, I am sure they identified a reason for it. Just seems to me with the great power and torque these engines make having so many gears so close together is......just......odd.

I think a lot of us need to get on with the times and accept the fact the LS1 isn't as fast as it used to be. I posted in a threadin another section about saying how i thought the wrx was a good car and got flamed like no other. This little Hyundai is probably a decent runner.

Lol!!!

8 speeds?

ya know my gmc has a 6 speed tranny and I can't stand it. who wants to downshift 5 times to go up a hill?

Hyundai is notorious about copying the style of other cars. On this one, they're trying to channel nisasn's GT-R super(expensive)car.

You do know it's automatic transmission. And in the case of my BMW it will downshift straight from 8th to 3rd very quickly.

saw the new Hyundai G at the track and was very impressed by the overall build quality and the engine was very strong.

One of the most trouble-free vehicles I've ever owned was a Hyundai... a '92 Excel. It was my winter beater and it never failed me, though it was quite the rusty little bucket. :lol: With a 4 on the floor and a Mitsubishi 1.5L 4 popper under hood, it managed 35mpg TOTALLY loaded down with stuff when I moved 1100 miles. No real problems, but it did have bad valve stem seals which caused smoke with each start up.

Now then... Hyundai has clearly been getting better. Moreover, it's going to be better still. After all, they had a long way to go in basically every department.

This new-found 42hp will be great for the brand image and it will ultimately make for a quicker little car. Will it now outpace the Camaro LT or Mustang V6? Probably by a hair or at least run even with them. It didn't exactly have a ton of ground to make up, however.

This means that 3 of 4 players in the V6 pony car market have stepped forward their game... Leaving only Ford to upgrade. Will Ford do that? Idonno, but I suspect not, unless they too add more gears to their forward progress. They'd MUCH rather maintain the fuel economy lead in this economy. Particularly considering Ford still "officially speaking" holds all the marbles in the contests between the 4, offering the best economy, handling, etc., I think they'll sit on their laurels with this one, at least for awhile.

Cool little car, but MAN does it look small! I'm another who has no use for that nightmare we call a grille.

I just heard GM was the #1 selling car company in 2011.

Way to stick it to the Japanese and get back on top GM! :hail:

I just heard GM was the #1 selling car company in 2011.:nod: :cool:

Congratulations to GM. However, GM being the #1 seller for 2011 has positively nothing to do with the Hyundai Genesis... Nor does it have anything to do with sticking anything to the Japanese...

Hyundai isn't a Japanese company. That aside, it was more likely a tsunami than it was GM that "stuck it to" the Japanese automakers. Let's "stick to" relevant comments...:D

Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese they're all the same....

^^Gotta give credit where it's due though, they know how to make a nice car as well. The Genesis being a decent example, sedan and coupe.

Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese they're all the same....

Nothing you say surprises me anymore...hung with anymore well-ridden 600s lately? :lol:

Nothing you say surprises me anymore...hung with anymore well-ridden 600s lately? :lol:

Link to 600 kill story?

It was another kill story where he said that...turned into a hilarious ordeal that he never responded to. Ask PSM about it. Or SRZ.

Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese they're all the same....Sure, sure... It's Korean, in case you ever want to be informed. ;)

You sure are protective and concerned about those other countries. Are you really an American?

Here's what happens when you push a rice burner too hard! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvjTZu3JrHw&feature=related

You sure are protective and concerned about those other countries. Are you really an American?

Are you really that dense? :eyes:

Are you really that dense? :eyes:

Dense/stubborn/ignorant... I did a little searching and found the thread I was referring to. Start at post #54;
http://ls1tech.com/forums/street-racing-kill-stories/1460334-raced-cbr-650-other-night-3.html

Nope he was WOT the whole time.

Sure they can accelerate quickly in the quarter mile but they don't pull hard from higher speeds like the LS motor does.

I've been riding motorcycles for 40 years and it looked like he was riding the 600 pretty damn good. When I go WOT from 65mph the G8 takes off like a rocket, much more so than off the line.

Just a few gems from that thread :jest: :jest:

:corn:

I doubt he'll respond. PSM and SRZ filmed several races with PSM on his stock 600 against a G8 equally modded like RedHot's, and posted them up. It was an ass-raping, and RedHot stopped posting :lol:

Just a few gems from that thread :jest: :jest:

Thanks. That thread had its moments.

One race outcome doesn't mean all others will have the same results. I would think you guys would know that but it's obvious you're too dense to realize it.

One race outcome doesn't mean all others will have the same results. I would think you guys would know that but it's obvious you're too dense to realize it.

Run me.

I know I can't beat a ZX10 so STFU.

I know I can't beat a ZX10 so STFU.

You hurt me. I was just having fun.

I'll race you off road on my YZ250. Motocross is my specialty. :D

I'll race you off road on my YZ250. Motocross is my specialty. :D

You'll win all day cause I don't know jack about that other than Carmichael and Stewart.

One race outcome doesn't mean all others will have the same results. I would think you guys would know that but it's obvious you're too dense to realize it.

Every single person in that thread was trying to tell you that he was either a terrible rider, or he was fucking with you. You INSISTED that he was serious and rode well. Which is simply not feasible. Your car is just not fast enough.

Like it's really hard to ride a bike in a straight line. :eyes: My twin daughters could do that the first day they got their dirt bikes and they were only 8 yrs old. And it seems to me some of you aren't much older than that....

In this case, your age means nothing. Did you not watch the video they made just for you in that other thread? That is what a well-ridden bike would have done to you. If that didn't happen, either the rider wasn't up to par at all, or he was fucking with you.

Why should I watch the video, I didn't race that guy and that bike. I raced a different guy on a different bike, what part of that don't you understand?

The guy I raced seemed like he could handle the bike. Maybe he downshifted to the wrong gear, maybe his clutch was slipping, but all I know is I won. Why can't you just accept that?

Why should I watch the video, I didn't race that guy and that bike. I raced a different guy on a different bike, what part of that don't you understand?

The guy I raced seemed like he could handle the bike. Maybe he downshifted to the wrong gear, maybe his clutch was slipping, but all I know is I won. Why can't you just accept that?

:lol:

What a tool....

all I know is I won.
"Winning is winning." Vin diesel, 2001.

This is the same guy that argued with me for two pages when I said I preferred driving manuals because I think they are more fun. He's just simple, I suppose. Oh btw, I raced an LT1 Corvette in my Taurus from 65-100mph. Car seemed to run pretty good, he was definitely WOT the whole time, and he could shift well. We were dead even the entire time.

Put 50 cents in the phone and call someone who cares. I done wasting my time with your stupid azz!

L.O.L. :lol:

"Winning is winning." Vin diesel, 2001.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkdmu2M7qFo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkdmu2M7qFo

That's right baby.

has the same nasty ass grill design as those fucking goofy retard smile mazdas.

lol!!!!

Uh, back to the Genesis????

Uh, back to the Genesis????

Not likely anytime soon.

I'd love to drive one. From what I understand, it feels "tighter" than the Mustang and Camaro. The front end may take a little getting used to, but I've always loved the overall shape and proportions. They need to quit fucking around and put their 5.0 V8 in this car.


I was up at ford lot the other day checking out a little genesis coupe (I think they're awesome. lol) and the salesman said he heard something about the 5.0 coming to the genesis.

That would be awesome but it's almost like ford would be competing with itself. :engarde:

Hyundai has their own 5.0. :nod:

Hyundai has their own 5.0. :nod:There are things about the Hyundai version I think make it better. Well, the bore and stroke seem better to me anyway. It's an impressive engine. Even the 4.6L is rated at nearly 380hp and 325 tq. Pretty good for any engine these days, let alone a tiny one. To think, they gained 51hp and 52 ft-lb by increasing the bore... Idonno what else, but whatever... A 429hp 5L in the Genesis Coupe would = ... AMAZING!:nod: