View Full Version : 99 Bolt on SS vs 2005-08 Saleen S281 S/C


SH1ZN1T
01-09-2012, 06:56 PM
I was on the Interstate in Mexico just cruising and I see this Saleen Mustang with S281 Supercharged badge on the fender. I passed him and slowed down to see if he would catch back up. Sure enough, he caught back up and crept up beside me on my right side. It was raining some, but at 50+ I didn't think traction would be an issue that much. I down shifted to 5th to see if he would down shift too, but nothing yet. A little further down he crept up next to me again and I'm pretty sure I heard him down shift and he had a smirk on his face. Our lanes in front of us opened up so we could get at least 110mph run in so I put it in 3rd and let him know I was ready to go.

Unfortunately, he never went which dissappointed me a lot!
I just looked on youtube to see what they had stock and I saw one dyno about 366 to the wheels.
With him being heavier and both cars being about the same power I'm positive I would have pulled him a car maybe 2.

What do you guys think?

blackls1ta00
01-09-2012, 07:34 PM
damn alot of people live near mexico it seems lol.i wouldnt even think of running anyone in the rain id lose traction and control of my car!

lazerlemonta
01-09-2012, 07:39 PM
^my thoughts exactly

ohioborn80
01-09-2012, 07:46 PM
WHy would you even want to try to run in the rain. That has to be one the stupidest idea's there is.

evolve
01-09-2012, 07:50 PM
WHy would you even want to try to run in the rain. That has to be one the stupidest idea's there is.

Well said. Maybe thats why he didnt want to run??

senicalj4579
01-09-2012, 07:50 PM
+1. I dont even drive my car in the rain.

92cobranotch
01-09-2012, 07:55 PM
WHy would you even want to try to run in the rain. That has to be one the stupidest idea's there is.only thing ive ran in the rain was my silverado against jeep cherokee and the dam jeep 4.0 beat me by 2lol

ohioborn80
01-09-2012, 07:56 PM
Well said. Maybe thats why he didnt want to run??

YA think.

85mustang351
01-09-2012, 07:57 PM
Yeah i had a 7000 thousand dollar car i sure wouldnt race in the rain let alone a 50,000 dollar car. If it were an 05 06 you would win but i think the 07 had 475 horsepower. Dont quote me onthat but that woulda gave you a hard time for sure.

Jersey Mike
01-09-2012, 08:01 PM
I was on the Interstate in Mexico just cruising and I see this Saleen Mustang with S281 Supercharged badge on the fender. I passed him and slowed down to see if he would catch back up. Sure enough, he caught back up and crept up beside me on my right side. It was raining some, but at 50+ I didn't think traction would be an issue that much. I down shifted to 5th to see if he would down shift too, but nothing yet. A little further down he crept up next to me again and I'm pretty sure I heard him down shift and he had a smirk on his face. Our lanes in front of us opened up so we could get at least 110mph run in so I put it in 3rd and let him know I was ready to go.

Unfortunately, he never went which dissappointed me a lot!
I just looked on youtube to see what they had stock and I saw one dyno about 366 to the wheels.
With him being heavier and both cars being about the same power I'm positive I would have pulled him a car maybe 2.

What do you guys think?


Black 99 Camaro SS - New GM crate LS1, LS6 Intake, 85mm MAF, Shaner S2 P&P TB, LPE lid, Pro 5.0, TSP SS Headers w/ ORY, GMMG, AIR/EGR delete, UMI SFC, LCA, Adj. PB, STB - Frost tuned-361hp/365tq


rain, no race, generous dyno, thread is full of win.

41863nj
01-09-2012, 08:10 PM
yeah i agree with everyone else...never in the rain...did it on the highway myself, and at around 100mph the rear end decided it want to be the front end instead...lolol...nothing like 3-60 in the rain at around 100mph to wake you up...i have no idea what i was thinking ...please don't try that, especially with our type cars....no win situation.

BayArea ws6
01-09-2012, 08:22 PM
Driving in the rain is a no no!Racing in the rain is a HELL NO!You should be glad he didn't race cause you might not be here to talk about it if you did!I by no means am the safest guy/driver but I know what isn't a good idea!Hell,I don't even like to race when the ground is cold!

Stopsign32v
01-09-2012, 08:30 PM
I run drag radials 24/7 and race in the rain against Evos and STIs just about once a week. It is badass...can't wait for it to snow this year.

92cobranotch
01-09-2012, 08:43 PM
I run drag radials 24/7 and race in the rain against Evos and STIs just about once a week. It is badass...can't wait for it to snow this year.

You do drive a na mach1 it probly has equal traction to my 5.3 in the rain

lazerlemonta
01-09-2012, 09:00 PM
You gonna put some snow studs in your DRs stoppy LOL

Jersey Mike
01-09-2012, 09:04 PM
Hell,I don't even like to race when the ground is cold!

I lost it from a dig going against a buddy in his WS6 back when I was in college. Luckily didn't get a scratch on the car, just a mess in my pants & on-coming traffic headlights in my windshield. Smartened up and never again. Horsepower & cold surfaces don't mix.


Lost a family friend less than a week ago to high horspower and imperfect road conditions. 26 years old, worked for AUTOcouture motoring here in NJ, crashed his worked e90 m3 racing against a one of his coworkers, I believe. Died on the spot.

Memorial service was yesterday afternoon.

http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad291/04ultrasprt/387495_2554167336820_1333020375_32612160_244341374 _n.jpg



If you think you -might- spin, just don't do it.

HioSSilver
01-09-2012, 09:10 PM
I actually have my winter set-up on my car with m+s rated tires.......good luck catchin me in the winter bitches!!!:D

sweet99ss
01-09-2012, 09:22 PM
I run drag radials 24/7 and race in the rain against Evos and STIs just about once a week. It is badass...can't wait for it to snow this year.

lmao...

SH1ZN1T
01-09-2012, 10:16 PM
I know it wasn't a good idea to race in the rain. Even if it were a little wet, but what are you thoughts on the outcome in dry conditions? Anyone actually race one? That is the first time I've seen a Saleen on the streets driving, even in the rain.

I haven't gotten a good race at all since I got the new tune. The weather sucks here in Norfolk. I think when I get back from deployment I will take the SS to the track and see what kind of times I can get out of it. My gf says high twelves. I was shocked that she even said that much. I asked where she learned that from and she said she was on youtube and was watching drag racing videos (again, SHOCKED) and she thought it'd be fun. I found one of those badass girlfriends that doesn't know much now, but is willing to learn. She even talks shit about mustang GTs. She said "you don't like wasting your gas or time on them" haha

ohioborn80
01-09-2012, 10:31 PM
A lot of variables to really know the outcome. We don't know if it was one the N/A Saleens or one the SC ones that can make up to 465hp.


And becareful you never know what them mustang GT's have. :) If you was cammed I would say you would be ok but with mods there are plenty of cars that will hand your ass to you.

BayArea ws6
01-09-2012, 10:34 PM
Well other than trying to race in the rain look's like you're on the right track!lol

Arctic
01-10-2012, 12:28 AM
And becareful you never know what them mustang GT's have..

especially a black 95 gt that looks 100% stock. when you miss the little twin turbo badge until after he starts walking away from you....:bang:

SH1ZN1T
01-10-2012, 05:05 AM
I said in the very first post that it was supercharged. I even looked up a few dyno runs for the S/C Saleen and it was right at what I make to the wheels.

85mustang351
01-10-2012, 05:57 AM
Im no expert but do bolt on tuned ls1's usually make 360 horsepower at the back tire?

MauriSSio
01-10-2012, 11:56 AM
Im no expert but do bolt on tuned ls1's usually make 360 horsepower at the back tire?

im sure its common for dynos in texas but around here bolton LS1's are in the 335-340rwhp range

HioSSilver
01-10-2012, 12:10 PM
A well sorted out tune ls1 can get around 360. Look at like this. A ls1 makes 60hp less than the 02 up ls6.My bolt-on ls6 makes 426rwhp.

Jersey Mike
01-10-2012, 02:15 PM
Never seen a mild-bolt-on LS1 fbody make 361rwhp/365rwtq. I suspect a friendly dyno.

85mustang351
01-10-2012, 02:26 PM
Never seen a mild-bolt-on LS1 fbody make 361rwhp/365rwtq. I suspect a friendly dyno.

thought that seemed a little high.

Stopsign32v
01-10-2012, 02:31 PM
Never seen a mild-bolt-on LS1 fbody make 361rwhp/365rwtq. I suspect a friendly dyno.

Come on man :rolleyes: If a bolt on LS6 makes 426rwhp on average then a LS1 makes 361rwhp with bolt ons. I know this because I read it from someone on the internet that is very smart.

odthetruth
01-10-2012, 04:05 PM
Racing in the rain? No thanks.

HioSSilver
01-10-2012, 04:26 PM
Come on man :rolleyes: If a bolt on LS6 makes 426rwhp on average then a LS1 makes 361rwhp with bolt ons. I know this because I read it from someone on the internet that is very smart.

I did'nt say average. I said well sorted out.....big difference.

Stopsign32v
01-10-2012, 04:54 PM
Ohhhhhhhhhhh

MauriSSio
01-10-2012, 04:57 PM
Well sorted out = finding a happy texas dyno

Jersey Mike
01-10-2012, 05:04 PM
Right, so a ported Fast 102/102, Kooks 1 7/8 stepped headers, ORX dumped, M6, FTP 104mm Lid, Speed Density tune, non-AC Chris1313RA, UnderDrive Pulley, Electric Water Pump, and cold weather... You may see numbers in the 350 neighborhood.



Not with just a LS6 intake and TSP LTs though.

evolve
01-10-2012, 05:08 PM
YA think.

Pure sarcasm in my original post lol.

Stopsign32v
01-10-2012, 05:16 PM
Right, so a ported Fast 102/102, Kooks 1 7/8 stepped headers, ORX dumped, M6, FTP 104mm Lid, Speed Density tune, non-AC Chris1313RA, UnderDrive Pulley, Electric Water Pump, and cold weather... You may see numbers in the 350 neighborhood.



Not with just a LS6 intake and TSP LTs though.

But that isn't a Hihosilver well sorted out LS1. :lol: I've always believed in that saying... If it doesn't look right or sound right...it probably isn't right.

HioSSilver
01-11-2012, 06:28 AM
Maybe you should take a walk outside the srk section and check out some others results.

SH1ZN1T
01-12-2012, 08:03 AM
I got my car tuned and dynoed at Performance Autosport in Richmond by the infamous man known as FROST! He was shocked himself that my bolt on LS1 was making 361/365. If any of you guys that still don't believe it, I can post a pic of my dyno sheet once I return from this underway. I have no reason to lie about my stats. They are what they are. Besides, I'm definitely not that Mystic guy that has such a high reputation on here, if he is still a member lol

Joe Spinners
01-12-2012, 11:57 AM
thought i'd throw mine in here...my full bolt-on ls1 made 364/368 on pat g's mustang dyno...mods are in sig, from what i hear his dyno is rather accurate...just gotta take it to the track now lol

ohioborn80
01-12-2012, 01:52 PM
thought i'd throw mine in here...my full bolt-on ls1 made 364/368 on pat g's mustang dyno...mods are in sig, from what i hear his dyno is rather accurate...just gotta take it to the track now lol

Pat 's dyno is pretty spot on. He tuned my G8.

CyberGrey Z28
01-12-2012, 02:30 PM
Yeah i had a 7000 thousand dollar car i sure wouldnt race in the rain let alone a 50,000 dollar car. If it were an 05 06 you would win but i think the 07 had 475 horsepower. Dont quote me onthat but that woulda gave you a hard time for sure.

$50k for a used Saleen that can't keep up with a bolt on LS1 despite being supercharged? WTF!! Now i know why the new 5.0 owners are so excited :gruffy:

350-360rwhp is about what the average full bolt-ons LS1 puts down(Lid, Headers, Exhaust, Tune). People usually swap in a cam before going with a Fast intake.

85mustang351
01-12-2012, 02:56 PM
$50k for a used Saleen that can't keep up with a bolt on LS1 despite being supercharged? WTF!! Now i know why the new 5.0 owners are so excited :gruffy:

350-360rwhp is about what the average full bolt-ons LS1 puts down(Lid, Headers, Exhaust, Tune). People usually swap in a cam before going with a Fast intake.

Im not doubting you but it seems like a couple years ago they would be around the 340-345 area. Has the tuning really got that much better? Frost must be the man.

MauriSSio
01-12-2012, 03:40 PM
Im not doubting you but it seems like a couple years ago they would be around the 340-345 area. Has the tuning really got that much better? Frost must be the man.

stock ls1's used to dyno in the 290's with a handful in the low 300rwhp range. Now 310rwhp seems to be average. LT1's used to dyno 240rwhp now its 255rwhp. Mustangs seem to be dynoing more than they used to as well.
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/848/ancient-aliens.jpg

Stopsign32v
01-12-2012, 04:54 PM
Soon full bolt on LS1s will be 370-380rwhp :eek:

Redfire 03
01-12-2012, 05:18 PM
stock ls1's used to dyno in the 290's with a handful in the low 300rwhp range. Now 310rwhp seems to be average. LT1's used to dyno 240rwhp now its 255rwhp. Mustangs seem to be dynoing more than they used to as well.
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/848/ancient-aliens.jpg

Any evidence to support your theory? I dont see too many guys claiming that much out of their stock LS1's. Maybe a few here and there but definitely not "average".

The SLP-optioned cars will surely make around that number (lid/cat-back).

SH1ZN1T
01-12-2012, 07:06 PM
I had my SS dynoed at a local place for free. My mods at the time were lid, Magnaflow catback and all current suspension mods (which don't make a difference) and it got 315rwhp. I don't remember the tq. but that was also with a dead MAF which it was also pinging (lean) above 4k RPM.

R6cowboy
01-12-2012, 07:47 PM
First off, good god there's a lot of folks in the north eastern states that occasionally cruise around Mexico. How do you guys do it???

Second, why in the hell was this thread started? Or, why in the hell would someone claim they were trying to race a 360whp car in the rain? Is it to inform as many people as possible how stupid of ideas one has?

I couldn't help but flame this foolishness.

CyberGrey Z28
01-12-2012, 08:44 PM
Soon full bolt on LS1s will be 370-380rwhp :eek:

On the flip side, Mach 1's will continue to have trouble reaching 310rwhp with FULL bolt-ons... :(