View Full Version : Who's Ran 12's Stock Or With DR Tires Only


DoggyB22
01-18-2012, 12:44 AM
Has anyone with a stock LS1 Trans Am or Camaro with DR tires only or with stock tires made it in the 12's?

I've seen this Camaro which ran 12.69 @ 110 mph with M/T tires only...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iOpOtxufko&feature=related

LS1LT1
01-18-2012, 04:08 AM
I know of quite a few LS1 F-bodies that made it into the 12s bone stock (manuals and automatics), the quickest among them being a 12.8x (possibly a 12.7x) I believe.
And I do mean factory/showroom bone stock down to the tires and paper air filter. :nod:
The addition of drag radials would likely help an otherwise stock manual car go well into the 12.6s (maybe even 12.5s) with a great driver in good air/DA as that video shows. :drive:

I went 12.8s on factory stock tires in my automatic but I wasn't bone stock of course (lid/K&N, thermostat and somewhat useless Hypertech programmer, but using very few of it's functions/parameters though).

MeentSS02
01-18-2012, 06:10 AM
There were a few guys out there that ran into the high 12s with a good driver and a great DA, but in my experience (and under less than ideal conditions), low to mid 13s are the norm. That's with an average driver and a +2000-ish DA (which was a standard summer day where I ran).

slow trap
01-18-2012, 06:46 AM
my junker (02 ws6 6speed) with a lid/filter only and some crappy bf goodslick dr's ran 8.2s 1/8 so that would have been 12.9's or 12.8s. 60' was still only i think a 1.93 so there was room for improvement.

transamtom
01-18-2012, 07:55 AM
I watched a guy go 12.8 with a lid and LM1 CB on his 2002 M6 SS on the Goodyears.

This was in July 2002 and he said he had a 12.7 slip from June at the time

moge11
01-18-2012, 11:01 PM
I went 8.37, which is about a 12.85-12.92ish, on Ten year old dry rotted goodyears with only a lid and freemods. And that was in So,so air..1422da. Had a got a chance to run the following week in -300da, then i probably would have went 8.1x.
Drag radials will easily put me in the high 7's 1/8, Low 12's 1/4

mike c.
01-19-2012, 08:34 PM
My boy had the car.. A 01ss camaro ss with only a lid,slp first headers they came out with,off road,a loudmouth cat and 4.10's his car went 12.1 at 113 114. He was on sticky tires. His dads o4 z06 went 11.8 with only tires..

moge11
01-20-2012, 01:04 AM
My boy had the car.. A 01ss camaro ss with only a lid,slp first headers they came out with,off road,a loudmouth cat and 4.10's his car went 12.1 at 113 114. He was on sticky tires. His dads o4 z06 went 11.8 with only tires..

thats damn near a FULL bolt on car. no where near stock with tires only.. FULL EXHAUST is a pretty good mod.. not like its a lid/catback car

98_1LE
01-20-2012, 04:02 AM
I can't find a pic of the slip online, but I still have it somewhere.

My base model/flat hood '01 T/A (still own it but it is far from stock now) ran 12.97@108.4 in early 2002 with just OEM 17" Firehawk wheels and 275/40/17 Nitto 555R-II road race tires (not even drag radials and they were up front too).

In fact, here is the original thread about it: http://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-tech/17863-12-97-108-4-stock-t-nittos.html

EDIT: Found it

http://i26.tinypic.com/mjxj8.jpg

Rpayne41985
01-20-2012, 07:57 PM
I went 12.73 @ 109 with drag radails but other than that it was stock

Mazzenger
01-20-2012, 09:07 PM
Friend of mine's 02 NBM TA M6 went 12.8x @ 109 w/Nitto DR being the only mod.

LS1LT1
01-21-2012, 04:17 AM
I can't find a pic of the slip online, but I still have it somewhere.

My base model/flat hood '01 T/A (still own it but it is far from stock now) ran 12.97@108.4 in early 2002 with just OEM 17" Firehawk wheels and 275/40/17 Nitto 555R-II road race tires (not even drag radials and they were up front too).

In fact, here is the original thread about it: http://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-tech/17863-12-97-108-4-stock-t-nittos.htmlWow almost 10 full years ago, :eek: and of the only two people to post in that thread, one of them was ME! :D :thumb:

98_1LE
01-21-2012, 01:48 PM
LOL, pretty cool.

DoggyB22
01-21-2012, 03:14 PM
Some pretty damn impressive times... It just annoys me that people don't think LS1 can get into the 12's stock or with sticky tires. Don't know how many times I've heard that! :eyes: Its like just because they don't see it on Youtube or some bs it didn't happen

My boy had the car.. A 01ss camaro ss with only a lid,slp first headers they came out with,off road,a loudmouth cat and 4.10's his car went 12.1 at 113 114. He was on sticky tires. His dads o4 z06 went 11.8 with only tires..

Good numbers for a full exhaust, gears & tires

fraz
01-21-2012, 09:48 PM
99 1le 13.09 at 107.9 the day I bought my car new only 150 miles on it all of which was driving to pick up a friend and heading to the track. I also had an 01 stripper that I went 12.64 @ 110 with a lid and nitto dr's.

HioSSilver
01-22-2012, 01:04 PM
I went 12.6 @ 112.8 1.9 60' with a lid, freemods, udp and poopy mac headers ory on the stock catback. The tire was a Yokohama a032r autox tire. My buddy did a 3rd to 2nd shift and blew it up for me. That's when the ls6 showed up. I wish I could've kept tinkering with the ls1. I think it had more in it.

TransAmWS.6
01-22-2012, 06:04 PM
Some pretty damn impressive times... It just annoys me that people don't think LS1 can get into the 12's stock or with sticky tires. Don't know how many times I've heard that! :eyes: Its like just because they don't see it on Youtube or some bs it didn't happen




Well if you think about it, breaking into the 12's with these cars when stock is not really the norm. When F-Bodies were still fairly new, many major magazines and other types of car publications usually recorded times around the mid-high 13's with them. So, I think a lot of people just went off of that and never bothered to look any deeper into it.

lazerlemonta
01-22-2012, 08:38 PM
I went 12.6 @ 112.8 1.9 60' with a lid, freemods, udp and poopy mac headers ory on the stock catback. The tire was a Yokohama a032r autox tire. My buddy did a 3rd to 2nd shift and blew it up for me. That's when the ls6 showed up. I wish I could've kept tinkering with the ls1. I think it had more in it.

What a dick Lmao I went 12.92@110 with free mods on F1s. Stupid T handle shifter. Best thing I ever done for you :(

98_1LE
01-22-2012, 10:11 PM
Well if you think about it, breaking into the 12's with these cars when stock is not really the norm. When F-Bodies were still fairly new, many major magazines and other types of car publications usually recorded times around the mid-high 13's with them. So, I think a lot of people just went off of that and never bothered to look any deeper into it.A couple magazines tested them in the 12's. I know a '99 1LE WS6 ran 12's.

LS1LT1
01-23-2012, 02:18 PM
A couple magazines tested them in the 12's.True. :nod:

Redfire 03
01-23-2012, 06:27 PM
^Yes. GMHTP and Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords are two that come to mind.

TransAmWS.6
01-24-2012, 09:41 AM
When I said "major publications", I was referring to more general car magazines that a lot of people read, like Motor Trend, Road & Track, Car and Driver, etc., etc. All of us have seen the muscle car enthusiast magazines and the times they were able to crank out of these, but the average car guy isn't going to read too much into those specific types of magazines, which was my point in my other post.

DoggyB22
01-26-2012, 12:57 AM
Here's the GMHTP issue
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0211gmhtp_2001_chevrolet_camaro_ss_feature/index.html

http://oi40.tinypic.com/2ag5cgy.jpg

jleews6
01-28-2012, 07:49 AM
When my 01 WS6 was brand new I went 13.1@110 100% stock. I 0nly made 4 or 5 passes in stock trim but I have no doubt that it would have run 12s stock.
The next weekend I went back to the track with just a lid (stock filter) and went 12.9@ 111. Then I put Nittos on it and went 12.7.
Then the next mod was Mac headers and Y pipe but the rest of the exhaust was still stock and I went back to regular radials and the car went 12.40s @ 114.

I have always said that with nothing more then tires and free mods a 6 speed ls1 car is a mid 12 second car.

It'llrun
01-28-2012, 09:57 AM
The reason most people claim 12's wasn't normal when stock is because it wasn't... Simple. I was more than just an avid racer during the entire run of 4th gens. I can't begin to remember how many passes I've seen. I can remember exactly how many 12's in factory stock form I've personally seen though.... None.

I remember reading of the ET posted with the photo in post 23... I think it was Evan Smith driving. It was a big deal at the time. Apparently it still is. That said, Evan might just be 1st in line to tell you, 12's wasn't an everyday thing with an actual stocker. He knows how to drive.

LS1LT1
01-28-2012, 02:15 PM
I have always said that with nothing more then tires and free mods a 6 speed ls1 car is a mid 12 second car.:werd: :drive:





The reason most people claim 12's wasn't normal when stock is because it wasn't... Simple. I was more than just an avid racer during the entire run of 4th gens. I can't begin to remember how many passes I've seen. I can remember exactly how many 12's in factory stock form I've personally seen though.... None.

I remember reading of the ET posted with the photo in post 23... I think it was Evan Smith driving. It was a big deal at the time. Apparently it still is. That said, Evan might just be 1st in line to tell you, 12's wasn't an everyday thing with an actual stocker. He knows how to drive.True, it's certainly not the norm (just like 10.9s isn't the norm for bone stock C6 Z06s) ...but it's proven fact that at least the capability is there because they have done it, and that does make them true high 12 second cars in my opinion. :nod:

blk/slvr02ss
01-28-2012, 03:11 PM
I went 12.87 w/ a P&P TB & Hypertech hand tune w/ a 2002 Camaro SS A4 w/ everything else bone stock !The car made 307 rwhp on a Mustang Dyno w/ those 2 mods !

agenthol302
01-28-2012, 08:49 PM
ran a 12.69 @110 on some old DRs

98_1LE
02-01-2012, 04:34 AM
The reason most people claim 12's wasn't normal when stock is because it wasn't... Simple. I was more than just an avid racer during the entire run of 4th gens. I can't begin to remember how many passes I've seen. I can remember exactly how many 12's in factory stock form I've personally seen though.... None.

I remember reading of the ET posted with the photo in post 23... I think it was Evan Smith driving. It was a big deal at the time. Apparently it still is. That said, Evan might just be 1st in line to tell you, 12's wasn't an everyday thing with an actual stocker. He knows how to drive.

Yeah, it is certainly not the norm. I had made over 500 passes in the 5 years before barely breaking in.

HioSSilver
02-01-2012, 08:23 AM
We did free mods only to a friends t/a and it went 12.9 @ 110 with his kids car seats in it....lol . Cars were capable. Not the norm but not uncommon.

AnnivSS
02-01-2012, 08:47 AM
I went 13.146 with a shitty 2.0 60 foot tune only. Id imagine on DR's itd be a solid high 12 car. However im not brave enough just yet to throw DR's on my 117k mile 10 bolt.


13.5XX @ 103.XX was the best in full stock trim with a 2.1 60'. This was in 1500+ DA in an A4 car. 35XX with driver and full tank.

billymz28
02-25-2012, 09:10 AM
gm high tech had a 99 z28 that went 12s stock in a old old issue. It was the one were they were testing the 02 anniversy ss convertable. They mentioned it a few times in that article.

JUSTINSWS6
02-25-2012, 09:27 AM
My 02 ws6 bone stock on bald 275 suckahomos went 12.9 then 13.0 then 12.9.

SLP IROC-Z
02-25-2012, 12:23 PM
ran 12.93 @ 107 last summer in my 99, it wasnt 100% bone stock, lid/catback.

It'llrun
02-25-2012, 03:15 PM
My 02 ws6 bone stock on bald 275 suckahomos went 12.9 then 13.0 then 12.9.Day um... You da man! Everyone else struggles along, but you got a set of bald tires to do it! Now I know what we've all been doing wrong... Attempting to maintain traction! :D :engarde:

JUSTINSWS6
02-25-2012, 03:34 PM
lol i think they where like slicks i only had a a little left on the outside the rest was gone lol there ghetto slicks

LSxPwrDZ
02-25-2012, 11:07 PM
My 2000 Z28 when stock to the paper air filter and 245 good years went 13.1@107.

The next spring I put a slp lid, k&n, 160 stat and I tuned it myself and went 12.8@109.

Added gears, dr's, headers and exhaust and went 12.4@113

Put a 9" with a slick and went 12.2@113

My 2002 Formula is a auto car and I bought it with slp lid, k&n, 160 stat, LT's, tsp ory (stock exhaust) and I tuned it before I went to the track on 275/40/17 torque thrust it went 12.6@109

Cam, stall, tire in 2500 da went 11.7@115 blowing out the stock 90k mile trans in the process.

Dustin AZ
03-01-2012, 11:41 PM
So, is there a chance my '02 WS6 A4 may make it into the twelves on street tires? It's a low mileage (38k) bolt-on car: coated long tubes, ORY, Magnaflow C/B, lid and a tune.

An Edge 3600 is on order.

LS1LT1
03-02-2012, 02:04 AM
gm high tech had a 99 z28 that went 12s stock in a old old issue. It was the one were they were testing the 02 anniversy ss convertable. They mentioned it a few times in that article.True, Evan Smith ran a bone stock '99 Z28 6 speed to a 12.8 back in the day, he was also the one piloting the heavy SS to 12s in the summer in that article shown in post# 23 above. :nod:

Pro Stock John
03-02-2012, 04:56 PM
Back in the old days, a number of regulars went high 12's bone stock.... Just a handful. And there were many who went 13.doh - 13.2 bone stock, MN6 or A4.

I drove a Formula with lid, cutout and !spare to a 12.85@110 back in 2000, and a similar TA the same day I got a 12.97 out of it.

I once asked Evan about the 12.88 he went with the 1999 Z/28 MN6 car, and he told me he slipped the clutch out at 4000... sounds about right if you think about it.

GtoSpd
03-02-2012, 07:43 PM
So, is there a chance my '02 WS6 A4 may make it into the twelves on street tires? It's a low mileage (38k) bolt-on car: coated long tubes, ORY, Magnaflow C/B, lid and a tune.

An Edge 3600 is on order.

Definitely! My auto SS went 12.5 at 110 with just a lid, cat-back, and tune on street tires. Its got it in her, just need to catch a day when the DA is just right and pull a decent 60', and you're there.

Dustin AZ
03-03-2012, 12:17 AM
It went 13.14 @ 107.6, with a 2.166 60'. I'll post a thread in the results section.