Dynamometer Results & Comparisons - Only 360rwhp?? is it true

ok i have a 00 ss automatic with

Longtubes
4:10 Gears
tv2 cam 232/234 .595/.598
3600 stall
slp lid

also the second gear was slipping at the time but it went all the way till about 5500 then slipped so could that be why i only dynoed at 360?

i dont understand why it was only 360

Need more info. Stock LS1 intake? Exhaust setup? And why are you dynoing in 2nd? 3rd gear is 1:1 on these cars

stock ls1 intake had 2 1/2 trueduals dumped before axle dynomax bullets and thats what they did it in

The intake is chocking you a lot. Just an ls6 would probably add 20rwhp.

Also to compare number with most on here you need to run the dyno in third to have it 1:1.

If your an auto you should'nt be in 2nd. Also i have to agree with above dump the LS1 intake and what type of dyno machine were you using?. If its a mustang dyno you will definitly get lower numbers then the norm with the dynojets and dynapack machines but you also need to address the slipping issue as well.

till about 5500 then slipped so could that be why i only dynoed at 360?

i dont understand why it was only 360

You answered your question right there, taking it to 5500 is nowhere near where that cam will make peak power. You also have a stall and gears, so that will eat a lot of power on the dyno.

Also, keep it in 3rd otherwise you can't really compare numbers.

alright thanks everybody i needed something for closure becuase i went back and they said thats how much i should make i wont be any more and they said they can try and fix the tune for another 500$ i was like ah ill just leave it alone then lol

Dyno numbers mean nothing, especially in an auto.

You need a new tuner I'd take it somewhere else for sure,nobody dynos in 2nd gear unless you got a glide haha.

If you paid them to tune it the first time I'd take it back and tell them to finish the tune or give my money back

How much power are you expecting?
Sounds like your car needs some help before you start pointing the finger at the tuner. Get your transmission fixed which will obviously give you more power to the wheels, and have your tuner check your stuff again.
Did you purposely take your car to the dyno with a slipping transmission or did you find out it was slipping during the dyno run?

Dyno numbers mean nothing, especially in an auto.
imo between having the ls1 intake and an auto that is slipping,and only going to 5500, that isnt bad at all, honest that intake is a choke hold , also i dont know if i missed it but what kind of dyno was it, 360 to the rear with those issues on a mustang are great numbers

no it wasnt slipping untill the dyno run then the tranny went out and now i have a built tranny but they wanna charge me another 500$ to retune and fix my idle becuase it wont idle anywhere i have to stall it up

They would charge you full price for another tune?! Fuck that place. Most people around here are $50 or less for a retune unless something very drastic changes. Sounds like the are a bit shady, maybe a bit stupid as well if they are dynoing in 2nd.

FWIW, my buddy made 351rwhp with an SS4000, torquer 2, 1 7/8" headers, LS6 intake, 98mm lid and a tune. The dyno is known to be a low reader...which was proven when he would destroy cars make 70+rwhp more than him. Like lemons said, dyno numbers dno't mean shit on an auto.

wow, my tuner does free retunes. but dont expect high numbers for a stalled auto, they are not dyno queens like m6 cars

no it wasnt slipping untill the dyno run then the tranny went out and now i have a built tranny but they wanna charge me another 500$ to retune and fix my idle becuase it wont idle anywhere i have to stall it up

Take a loss with your investment in this "business". If you paid them once and they can't even get your idle correct, what makes you think another $500 will make things any better? Run away and don't look back.

i know theyre supposed to be really good in Oklahoma but id dreather have a newby hp tuner give it a go then them lol im going to try one more place if that dont work then i guess ill have to learn myself

my car dynoed 414rwhp with a Yank 4200 stall so........

my car dynoed 414rwhp with a Yank 4200 stall so........

cool story bro.

Where did you go? Sounds like a crappy shop.

An honestly, if you made that much power at 5500rpm with a dying trans and ls1 intake through a stalled auto you should be fairly pleased.

Where is this place and what's it called? I'm in ok also so just want to make sure all my buddys stay away. Pm me if you would rather

Lol I guess I'm not really please and it's a place in Oklahoma. Called Abel racing they have a turboed vette that made 1000hp but it's their car not mine so the took time on it and not mine lol

This is the first time I've heard bad things about Abel. But that's complete shit if they gave you a tune that won't even idle and want more to fix it again. Is that correct?

My stock LS6 (243 heads), longtubes, and shitty "custom" exhaust with a lid put down 365/359.

This was on 4.11's as well. I wouldn't worry yourself with dyno #'s. Take it to the track.

yea thats correct they said it will be 440$ to retune 40$ to strap it down and 400$ to buy another credit becuase the old one "expired" even though it was about a month ago it wont idle\

yea thats correct they said it will be 440$ to retune 40$ to strap it down and 400$ to buy another credit becuase the old one "expired" even though it was about a month ago it wont idle\


:rolleyes: Either they are screwing with you or you are screwing with us! :funny:

Give us their e-mail..I'll send them both of these pages...See how they respond...It's worth letting them see our opinions...No ones really bashing them, but man their getten over on you.

ok i have a 00 ss automatic with

Longtubes
4:10 Gears
tv2 cam 232/234 .595/.598
3600 stall
slp lid

also the second gear was slipping at the time but it went all the way till about 5500 then slipped so could that be why i only dynoed at 360?

i dont understand why it was only 360


Dont feel too bad, my car has similar mods and only made about 20 hp more, prolly cuz mine is a 2002 and has the ls6 intake. I work for the shop that tuned it so i know it is at its best, lol.. It runs very well though so im not too concerned with the numbers..

They should at least fix the idle issue..if they didn't get it right the first time.

Give us their e-mail..I'll send them both of these pages...See how they respond...It's worth letting them see our opinions...No ones really bashing them, but man their getten over on you.

abelracing@coxinet.net

dont get me wrong they were cool guys but its like they just wanted to finish it and get me out o ya and they said my idle problem was becuase my cam was too big cuz its 112 lsa even though i know some camaros with WAYYYY bigger cam on a 110 ls1 that idle perfectly fine at 700rpms not 1100 like they have mine

Theres always a story behind it, make sure you dont have a vaccum leak.(idle) 360 is low. I've done plenty of 6 speed cars that make 360hp with headers and a lid, and autos that make 350 locked converter. Are you sure they ran it in 2nd gear? If it made 360 at 5500rpm thats not that bad, especially in 2nd gear.

what kind of dyno

alright thanks everybody i needed something for closure becuase i went back and they said thats how much i should make i wont be any more and they said they can try and fix the tune for another 500$ i was like ah ill just leave it alone then lol

:ripped:

that is the biggest load of BULL SHIT I have ever read on this forum. Any tuner worth his salt knows he is not perfect and that adjustments sometimes need to be made, just because you drive out of the shop does not ever entitle them immediately to charging you another 500 or another single dime. i would have raised Tee Total Hell. I mean they are already running the car in the wrong damn gear. OMG, this is torture to hear about. my tuner told me last time, if you have anything needs to be changed just drop by and we can get it worked out ok bud!. never had to go back. see the connection there?

yea thats correct they said it will be 440$ to retune 40$ to strap it down and 400$ to buy another credit becuase the old one "expired" even though it was about a month ago it wont idle\


2 credits is only 99$ with hptuners.

I didnt think credits expire with HP tuners? That would be new news to me unless its a different car/pcm.... and even if you had a fautly PCM HPTuners will give you the credits back once you prove you had a PCM go bad.

This is ridiculous. I hope I don't have to deal with this crap when I get my car tuned! Although this is the first time I have ever heard of a tuner asking for full price to adjust a tune you already had them do. Never heard of that and I have a good bit of buddies that use all kinds of different tuners. Sounds like scam artists to me.

yeah they are feeding you some bullshit yo should not have to pay for any credits if you pay for a tune you pay for a tune.

I would expect any deal on an initial dyno tune to at least give you a DISCOUNT on subsequent tunes with mods.

A repeat customer is a GOOD thing. Maybe they don't want to deal with "small fries" who aren't into spending $10k+ on a build or something? I got that vibe from another LS shop out my way (who I won't name cos it's just a vibe..)

You're a good 70whp over my car after tuning even at this. I'd say that's a pretty good increase for a cam and gears. You'd probably see more if you got it past that 5500rpm mark.. maybe go with another shop and consider it a learning experience if they still refuse to discount a repeat tune.

(also, I'm not saying the shop that tuned my car is a bad shop, not at all, the shop I DIDN'T do business with was the bad shop.. that's why I didn't do business with them. :lol:)

LOL at 1100RPM idle with that cam. My tuner had my Ms4 at 900RPM in about 5 minutes.

Get away from that "performance shop".

yea i think im just going to go to another shop and pay them becuase i dont wanna set there while they tell me how i didnt do my car right and how it will be fast if i do this and shit when im 18 with a 2 month old daughter and i needed my car to run to get to work

Since you already answered the dyno # question with a smoked tranny.

I would expect a retune charge to tune it with a tranny that works because the tranny failure is not there fault and it still took time for the last tune. We do retunes for $150. It would be stupid to do retunes for nothing since it's the tuners time. Free should be IF the tune wasn't correct when it left.

With a good tranny the car should put out higher numbers.

Free should be IF the tune wasn't correct when it left.



From the way he talks they have the idle set to 1100rpm and it still won't stay running and they're just saying the cam is "too big".

If that's what he is really being told I would be pissed.

Most shops charge 100-175 for retunes on the same car like slowhawk said. No way you could get a retune for free but 400.00+ MORE bucks!!!!?????? nah I would definately pass. Plus the car seems to be strong as heck if it had a LSCRAP intake, slipping clutch, not in the correct 1:1 gear, and still had about 400 HP. I should know because currently in the 408 I have about 20 HP to the wheels right now with a slipping clutch but not for long!!! My car idles a lot lower than 1100 and I have a pretty large cam from what most people say even with the extra displacemtne I know you can get that idle lower than 1100. It doesnt cut off or even sound like its cutting off. I could lower the idle but I like the current lope.

well one thing you may wanna do is check your Throttle body and give it a good cleaning. I had an issue with mine idling funky although i have it set at 850. there is all kind of gunk and shit in there and it has low miles. also i cleaned my MAF. call me crazy but i could not get it to stall after that so i was convinced it worked. if its descreened that can cause issues too. might try that and see what happens . a 112 is a common camshaft size these days. when you put it in reverse you wanna make sure your idle does come up. i dont let mine stay the same. you also want it to come up when the ac is on. other than that, you can check for vacuum leaks or any hissing noises.

I had in MS3 in my a4 with a 4000 stall and it idled at 950rpm ok.
I also had a 230/232 on a 112 and it idled perfect at 900 rpm. It started perfect and ran great.

I sent the e-mail with all 3 pages for them to read...Hopefully they'll sign in and respond.

From the way he talks they have the idle set to 1100rpm and it still won't stay running and they're just saying the cam is "too big".

If that's what he is really being told I would be pissed.

There is always 2 sides of a story. I just commented on the basics. No need to jump on anybody's side at this point.

I tuned the car. The car left 2 months ago - if you are not happy with tune - please call. Car was dynoed in 3rd. I can't "tune-out" mechanical problems.

Bashing and half-truths are uncessary.

Here is my prices - I believe there is some misunderstanding:
We charge $400 for full tune, $100 extra if you want speed density.
FREE updates that don't require dyno time
$175 for full retune on the computer that's already unlocked.

"Cam too big" is simply not in my vocabulary - confused me with someone else.

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^^^e-mail replied^^^^...There it is

I tuned the car. The car left 2 months ago - if you are not happy with tune - please call. Car was dynoed in 3rd. I can't "tune-out" mechanical problems.

Bashing and half-truths are uncessary.

Here is my prices - I believe there is some misunderstanding:
We charge $400 for full tune, $100 extra if you want speed density.
FREE updates that don't require dyno time
$175 for full retune on the computer that's already unlocked.

"Cam too big" is simply not in my vocabulary - confused me with someone else.

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Just a question, why does the dyno graph show it was done at 115mph, that seems very low and would not be where the car is making peak power?? Was the tranny slipping?? it doesn't appear to be according to the line?? Maybe i'm reading it wrong but hopefully it can be explained.. thanks

yea it was slipping it wouldnt shift it just banged off rev limiter slipped about 500rpms too early and i emailed them back about the problem

Just a question, why does the dyno graph show it was done at 115mph, that seems very low and would not be where the car is making peak power??

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3rd gear 1:1, 4.10 rear, 26" tire, 6700 rpm - 115mph that's how fast you go with normal 5-7% tc slip.

I looked at my notes: the car idles at 850 but broken tach shows 1100.

A few thing failed to be mentioned (for some reason):
Cam is "supposed" to be TV2 (but not for sure) and the heads are ported by customer's "buddy" - I'm not saying that it's done "wrong", but if you are expecting proven numbers you need to use proven combination.

The car came-in with AFR at 14.0 and lower half of timing table filled with 24.0 - which makes me think that it was a nitrous tune, which also points to maybe having a nitrous cam. There was no abnormal trans slip on the dyno or the street test.

yea it was slipping it wouldnt shift it just banged off rev limiter slipped about 500rpms too early and i emailed them back about the problem

Got your e-mail, obviously it was misunderstanding on the pricing. I don't know why you decided to contact me only after starting a stink storm on national board, an uncalled for at that. I'm very easy to get a hold of - I check company e-mail, and I have paid staff to answer the phone.

If you didn't change any engine parts, the car will not need a dyno retune, therefore any adjustments (like you idle problem or shift points) will be ABSOLUTELY FREE!

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3rd gear 1:1, 4.10 rear, 26" tire, 6700 rpm - 115mph that's how fast you go with normal 5-7% tc slip.

I looked at my notes: the car idles at 850 but broken tach shows 1100.

A few thing failed to be mentioned (for some reason):
Cam is "supposed" to be TV2 (but not for sure) and the heads are ported by customer's "buddy" - I'm not saying that it's done "wrong", but if you are expecting proven numbers you need to use proven combination.

The car came-in with AFR at 14.0 and lower half of timing table filled with 24.0 - which makes me think that it was a nitrous tune, which also points to maybe having a nitrous cam. There was no abnormal trans slip on the dyno or the street test.



Got your e-mail, obviously it was misunderstanding on the pricing. I don't know why you decided to contact me only after starting a stink storm on national board, an uncalled for at that. I'm very easy to get a hold of - I check company e-mail, and I have paid staff to answer the phone.

If you didn't change any engine parts, the car will not need a dyno retune, therefore any adjustments (like you idle problem or shift points) will be ABSOLUTELY FREE!

Sorry, didnt see that it had 4.10's in it..... It doesnt seem like trans was slipping to me either, graph would show that for sure... maybe hit top end rev limiter but would not have any effect on numbers, already at peak power... Maybe head problem or not the cam that was specified, always a million different unknowns, see it all the time at our shop...

This thread should be 100% deleted... Tuner looks like he is spot on.

Moboost tuned my car and it runs absolutely perfect. My cam is bigger and the idle is solid 850-900. He had me on and off the dyno quick and spent a lot of time on the idle and street tuning. He was pretty clear that if I had any problems to let him know, and told me the exact prices above if I need a full retune. Maybe this kid had a problem hearing past his accent!