Dynamometer Results & Comparisons - 811rwhp. at 15lbs stock shortblock,317's,custom cam,e85,big turbo.

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yep, im excited as hell to get to the track now!! i was hoping for 700rwhp and on the first pull it spun the tires on the dyno with the cold 28inch slicks and pushed a 798wrhp sae corrected at 15lbs 103 kpa. We still think it may of spun on every run. This is with Stocks pistons and with 317's!! i wouldve went more but i was at 100% idc. So we back it down a little and turned the fuel pressure up. All of this is at 10.5ish afr with 16degree's of timing. But threw my th400,stall and 9 inch i think its safe to say i own a 1000 hp car. Now to make sure it doesnt blow up! ahah but it wont jeremy formato tuned it.

ls2 shortblock
jeremy formato custom cam 23x 23x 114 .6xx .6xx
317's
double springs
ls6 intake stock throttle body
truck manifold turbo kit with a precision 85+mm turbo .96 t4
th400 with a 3800 stall
9 inch 3.45 gear
on corn.



Now i need to find a good boost controller to make my boost come in progressively so i can actually hook up.

Btw the way this thing just keeps pulling on the street!!

Btw the way this thing just keeps pulling on the street!!

Vids or we don't believe you.

damn ..

i have a friend with very similar mods and hes putting down 600whp at 5psi .. good job for such stock ls2 block.

Damn that's insane. I was wondering if their was any FAST cars around lakeland/winterhaven well here is my answer. Jeremy is going to tune mine here in the next few weeks after my rear end is done.

What is the before graph? Leave off the brake, get your suspension dialed in and leave on all of it. Look forward to track times man.

Damn that's insane. I was wondering if their was any FAST cars around lakeland/winterhaven well here is my answer. Jeremy is going to tune mine here in the next few weeks after my rear end is done.

ya man theres about 4 6.xx 1/8th mile f bodys and a 700rwhp vette andddd maybe 3 more decent cars

Wow that is really impressive. Great job. I just did a 416 with TFS heads, 10:1 compression, about the same size cam, and ported 90/90 and only made 825/700rw on 14 or so lbs of boost through a M6 on Vengances dyno. Guess we wasted a bunch of money. Should have stayed with the stock stuff and had Formato tune it. Next time.

Wow that is really impressive. Great job. I just did a 416 with TFS heads, 10:1 compression, about the same size cam, and ported 90/90 and only made 825/700rw on 14 or so lbs of boost through a M6 on Vengances dyno. Guess we wasted a bunch of money. Should have stayed with the stock stuff and had Formato tune it. Next time.

well with those heads you got that motor will live... were you on e85? also what turbo? i picked up 200 whp from a tc78

What is the before graph? Leave off the brake, get your suspension dialed in and leave on all of it. Look forward to track times man.

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its upside down and photobucket is being gay about editing right now, but 543 on 10 and then 14 made 600rwhp. and on 15 on this new turbo was 800 ,,,,,, one thing i just noticed is look how much smoother the graph is, the new turbo isnt working as hard as that tc78

this is with the old turbo. 6.5 115, ive went 6.38 at 117 before.
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Pump gas with no meth. Have it but didn't need it due to the weather. This was with a YSi also. The cam is bleeding off the DCR pretty well and we wanted a good street/DD car. Your car is flying on the track. Can't believe what stock parts will do.

Why in the hell are you running it so rich? That's just asking for a blown ring land...

Why in the hell are you running it so rich? That's just asking for a blown ring land...

10.5-10.8 on a turbo car isn't that rich for e85 is it? Maybe I'm wrong. Butthen again how would a car running rich blow a ring land? Anyway about it its making power.

Maybe I missed it but what turbo are you running now?

10.5-10.8 on a turbo car isn't that rich for e85 is it? Maybe I'm wrong. Butthen again how would a car running rich blow a ring land? Anyway about it its making power.

10.5 on the gas scale is .71 lambda thats way too damn rich.

It could blow a ring land running rich because you get way too much fuel on top of the piston and have hot spots start detonation on their own and end up with uncontrollable ignition events happening. Fuel gets in the ring lands and then explodes simply put...

The number one mistake tuners make is too much FUEL and too much TIMING.

Looks like hes conservative on the timing but its way too rich. It will not live a long or happy life running like that IMO.

damn impressive power out of a stock motor!

congratz on the power man

Saying its to rich shows that you do not understand the fuel at all. I run all the way down to .65 lambda as long as there is spark to light it. I tune the fastest non-IC turbo Ethanol car in my sig.

Nice numbers BTW should pull like a train at the track. Pretty close to the limit on the rods, keep us updated on how passes you make at the track with that power.

also being honest i wasnt really asking formato a ton of questions about what the afr was and stuff. I just asked how much timing and he said 16, then i was checking out the afr on the wideband and it was in the high-mid tens.

Jeremy knows what these things like so i just shut up and let him do his thing.

Also i was always thinking his cam was wayy to big being a turbo car but this dyno graph set me straight. Again, He knows what hes doing.

I agree.

Saying its to rich shows that you do not understand the fuel at all. I run all the way down to .65 lambda as long as there is spark to light it. I tune the fastest non-IC turbo Ethanol car in my sig.

Nice numbers BTW should pull like a train at the track. Pretty close to the limit on the rods, keep us updated on how passes you make at the track with that power.

+1 for track life results down the road.

I hope to be on the track next week(or weekend). With dual wastegates and a fancy boost controller.

Dam Man thats impressive! I cant believe that LS2 short block is holding up! These LS's have always amazed me with what they are capable of tough :)

Saying its to rich shows that you do not understand the fuel at all. I run all the way down to .65 lambda as long as there is spark to light it. I tune the fastest non-IC turbo Ethanol car in my sig.

Nice numbers BTW should pull like a train at the track. Pretty close to the limit on the rods, keep us updated on how passes you make at the track with that power.


I stand corrected, you obviously have pushed the boundaries of the fuel way more than me. I just dont see the need or benefit to running them that rich.

I think you would agree with AFRs in that range, it is critical the timing be spot on?

I plan on using E-85 in my high compression / nitrous combo, so I'm always open to learn.

Nitrous is a different animal all together, and it does not tolerate rich mixtures like FI. I would have to agree with you that running lean with as little timing as possible on N20.

On intercooled Ethanol cars I will run as lean as 11.5:1 if the engine likes it. It just seems that they usually make more power with more fuel if the ignition system is up to the task. For example on Mod motors with Ford coils they always make more power at 11.5:1. LS engines with truck coils will be happy at 10.5-11:1 and not pick up power as you go leaner.

Usually if your alky or Ethanol vehicle responds to leaning the mix it is a sign of a weak ign.

I stand corrected, you obviously have pushed the boundaries of the fuel way more than me. I just dont see the need or benefit to running them that rich.

I think you would agree with AFRs in that range, it is critical the timing be spot on?

I plan on using E-85 in my high compression / nitrous combo, so I'm always open to learn.

A boosted corn motor is somewhat like a boosted methanol mill. Keep adding fuel until it drops off and then lean it back out a little.

Spray and corn is something I haven't really messed with, not sure if they play well together or not. Nitrous likes to run lean but corn gets a fair amount of added "octane" from the cooler burn running fat (very wide A:F power range compared to gasoline).

ls2 shortblock
jeremy formato custom cam 23x 23x 114 .6xx .6xx
317's
double springs
ls6 intake stock throttle body
truck manifold turbo kit with a precision 85+mm turbo .96 t4
th400 with a 3800 stall
9 inch 3.45 gear
on corn.






Are the heads ported? Great numbers man. :D

Nice results, turbo must sound good. What are you hoping to run?

Wow nice build! I love seeing stock short blocks get pushed like this

Are the heads ported? Great numbers man. :D
Ya, but home ported. I pretty much did this.
Before
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Nice results, turbo must sound good. What are you hoping to run?

I want 5.xx in the 1/8th at over 120mph. Ive hit 117mph at 6.32 before on my tc78 turbo at 14 lbs 650whp
and 9.6ish at 144ish. guess thats my goal. car weighs 3100 with me in it btw,

Ya'll think the way i did that porting actually helped any?

I agree with the AFR being where it is on a E85 engine and being boosted.

If it was gas, then a full point leaner would be better, and if it was nitrous as hellbents10 said, even leaner with low timing as possible while keeping peak power the same or very close is probably where it would like being. What kinda plugs are in this motor right now?

Nice combo for sure. I might have missed it, but what turbo? I was gonna say that trap speed is kinda high for what I was thinking until you said it weighs 3100.

Get that electronic boost controller, and ramp that shit in to get the short times down. If you do that and can hook it should go 5.60's all day long.

What's the suspension set-up look like?

I agree with the AFR being where it is on a E85 engine and being boosted.

If it was gas, then a full point leaner would be better, and if it was nitrous as hellbents10 said, even leaner with low timing as possible while keeping peak power the same or very close is probably where it would like being. What kinda plugs are in this motor right now?

Nice combo for sure. I might have missed it, but what turbo? I was gonna say that trap speed is kinda high for what I was thinking until you said it weighs 3100.

Get that electronic boost controller, and ramp that shit in to get the short times down. If you do that and can hook it should go 5.60's all day long.

What's the suspension set-up look like?

well i wasnt gonna say but its just a pt-88 .96ar turbo with a 15inch long 4inch dp. Also i have tr6's in it right now, thought about tr7's but i havent yet. man if i could get 5.60's yikes that would be nuts. Im gonna keep the boost around 12 lbs for right now but if everything gets comfortable i may just try a all out pass and ramp it to 17lbs towards the end. Im sure the heads will lift but i have another motor im building now so who cares. As long as my block doesnt get hurt. Also, one thing i didnt really say it does have arp rod bolts in it. 98z28cobrakiller went mid 9's on a stock 6.0 and when it finally broke months and months later it was a bolt failure. This is why i changed them.

suspension is all bmr, k-member,arms, trak pack torque arm, lca's and relocaters,comp drag shocks in the rear (i want some more adjustable ones) qa1's up front and then 13.50x28 15 mt et street slicks with a 3.45 gear.

[QUOTE=BLINGOLE;15935155]well i wasnt gonna say but its just a pt-88 .96ar turbo with a 15inch long 4inch dp. Also i have tr6's in it right now, thought about tr7's but i havent yet. man if i could get 5.60's yikes that would be nuts. Im gonna keep the boost around 12 lbs for right now but if everything gets comfortable i may just try a all out pass and ramp it to 17lbs towards the end. Im sure the heads will lift but i have another motor im building now so who cares. As long as my block doesnt get hurt. Also, one thing i didnt really say it does have arp rod bolts in it. 98z28cobrakiller went mid 9's on a stock 6.0 and when it finally broke months and months later it was a bolt failure. This is why i changed them.

suspension is all bmr, k-member,arms, trak pack torque arm, lca's and relocaters,comp drag shocks in the rear (i want some more adjustable ones) qa1's up front and then 13.50x28 15 mt et street slicks with a 3.45 gear.[/QUOTE

I will say if you run race gas at the track or at least have methanol injection and the timing is kept low then the Tr6's will be ok for now, but if you plan on running any more boost then you are now, I'd put some BR7EF plugs in there gapped at .28 so you have a little more flexibility with the timing and boost ramps that you can run.

Get the boost curve nice and hard, along with a good sway bar and double adjustable or single adjustable at the least shocks and you should have no problem running 5.60's/8.60's-8.70's. You'd be surprised how much you can get out of a combo when the first 330' are optimized.

Why in the hell are you running it so rich? That's just asking for a blown ring land...

Saying its to rich shows that you do not understand the fuel at all. I run all the way down to .65 lambda as long as there is spark to light it. I tune the fastest non-IC turbo Ethanol car in my sig.

Nice numbers BTW should pull like a train at the track. Pretty close to the limit on the rods, keep us updated on how passes you make at the track with that power.

Dam Man thats impressive! I cant believe that LS2 short block is holding up! These LS's have always amazed me with what they are capable of tough :)

Wow nice build! I love seeing stock short blocks get pushed like this

100+ passes later and now im up to 18lbs and nitrous! Still havent broke crap!! hahahaha Just seen this tread and laughed. Ive only changed the oil and plugs since this tread, and turned the boost up and added spray.