Dynamometer Results & Comparisons - Whos made over 440rwhp w/ auto & stock bottom end?

I know know jfm did but it there anyone else on this board that has and what were the exact #'s and what major mods did it take ie cam/heads and which ones?

Thanks
Bill

Not you. :D


Or me. :(

JFM mde 446 unlocked with G5X3 and AS 5.3s.

JFM mde 446 unlocked with G5X3 and AS 5.3s.

Are we counting Flycut pistons as "stock bottom end"? :confused:

Yes, because it doesn't add any power. When you flycut your pistons, you will still have a stock bottom end, IMO. Open to interpretation I guess, but most of the high dynoing cars have them, including Cartek, LG, TSP, your "coming soon", etc.

Shawn

Are you looking for locked or unlocked #`s
I guess im pretty close. If I would have opened my cutouts or put on a short belt ( I dont even own one ) or even locked the converter I guess I would be there also. Even unlocked if I added a Ported TB , EWP I would be there unlocked. But to be honest I race / dyno my car the same way I drive it on the street. Closed exhaust / all belts / on my nittos. This way When I drive 100 miles south to atco I just get in line to race without having to touch the car. Its the same when I drive the 100 miles to eastside to dyno. I hop right off the highway and onto the dyno no games or tricks. I am not into jerking myself off by pulling my belts or adding air pressure to tires for higher dyno #`s. Even my tune is is a street tune.
Anyway Ive seen them do it at cartek, I know LG has a few A4 cars there already and Raging motor sports has also. They just dont post em. Im sure there are plenty of others also. Mostly shops post m6 #`s becuase they are higher and some people dont relize how much power you loose through the a4 and wouldnt be impressed with the #`s.

Are we counting Flycut pistons as "stock bottom end"? :confused:

If they dont add after market parts its still stock.

"Mostly shops post m6 #`s becuase they are higher and some people dont relize how much power you loose through the a4 and wouldnt be impressed with the #`s."

This was kinda the point of the thread...if your car makes 400 with an auto youd probably make 450+ with the same car just w/M6...


yah id consider a flycut car stock bottom end...youve got a pretty badass car OAX...what are the specs on the R1?

Thanks
Bill

Not you. :D


Or me. :(

As long as I spank you like a redheaded stepchild on the 9th I dont care if i make 263 on the dyno lol :cheers:

"Mostly shops post m6 #`s becuase they are higher and some people dont relize how much power you loose through the a4 and wouldnt be impressed with the #`s."

This was kinda the point of the thread...if your car makes 400 with an auto youd probably make 450+ with the same car just w/M6...


yah id consider a flycut car stock bottom end...youve got a pretty badass car OAX...what are the specs on the R1?

Thanks
Bill

Thanks Bill

The R1 specs are 232/236 .575/.578 112+4
I picked the cam up used off the board for 200 bux.
The way my car is setup or not setup for racing on the track I cant even apply most of the power so it goes wasted. To be honest I was looking at that T-Rex cam but sometimes I get hp crazy and like i said it would be a waste in my car as setup anyway.

Jeremy

If I wasto doit again I would do boltons, converter and a 150 shot

As long as I spank you like a redheaded stepchild on the 9th I dont care if i make 263 on the dyno lol :cheers:

I am a red headed step child

This was kinda the point of the thread...if your car makes 400 with an auto youd probably make 450+ with the same car just w/M6...
I don't think it is that much of a difference. Maybe 20-25 rwhp for a car of this power level with a locked converter. The rear end makes a difference as well. 12bolt vs 10 bolt. 3.23's vs. 4.11's and so forth.

I don't think it is that much of a difference. Maybe 20-25 rwhp for a car of this power level with a locked converter. The rear end makes a difference as well. 12bolt vs 10 bolt. 3.23's vs. 4.11's and so forth.


HEy man get our car to the track already!!

I have been waiting to see the #`s you put down tuned!!

HEy man get our car to the track already!!

I have been waiting to see the #`s you put down tuned!!
Next weekend...Pray that the weather holds. I know Jay is anxious as well.. I swapped my Headers and Y pipe since the tune. Jay thinks I was losing around 15rwhp with my FLP's and their Y pipe. I have 1 7/8" Kooks on their now with their 3" off road Y pipe. Soon as I get some good base line runs, I am putting in muy T-Rex cam with has been sitting in my garage for the past month.

Good thread, I'd also like to know. I would think the T-Rex cam with some AS or GTP heads would be able to do it! I'm interested in seeing how that combo would do at the drag strip on a lightweight A4 car well set up for the drag strip; suspension, gears, slicks, etc. I would think mid 10's is more than possible with negative DA.

Good thread, I'd also like to know. I would think the T-Rex cam with some AS or GTP heads would be able to do it! I'm interested in seeing how that combo would do at the drag strip on a lightweight A4 car well set up for the drag strip; suspension, gears, slicks, etc. I would think mid 10's is more than possible with negative DA.


10`s should be no problem in a + DA with that much power

Good thread, I'd also like to know. I would think the T-Rex cam with some AS or GTP heads would be able to do it! I'm interested in seeing how that combo would do at the drag strip on a lightweight A4 car well set up for the drag strip; suspension, gears, slicks, etc. I would think mid 10's is more than possible with negative DA.

Id think so too...mid 10's should be semi easy in a lightweight A4 with a huge converter and the right gearing. These larger cams that are coming out are so new few have swapped out from their smaller cams to try these monsters the few that have seemingly are putting down really good #'s.

I forgot there were a few JPR A4 cars that went into the 450+ range too. I think there are some dyno sheets that are posted here. Hey as soon as the LSX intake and the t-rex get around I think we will be seeing alot of 450hp a4 cars.

440RW threw an auto is pretty tuff when your locked and threw a 12 bolt.
I dont know anyone thats done it..

I'm hoping for 425RW threw my VIG4000/12 bolt 4.10 /cutout (I will dyno with PS)
Thats more realistic if ask me.

Yea theres been a few with !ps,open headers/10 bolt 3.42's that have done it but thats not realistic.A race type setup with 4000+ stall/12 bolt 4.10/cutout/!ps and a killer set of heads and 230 -595 cam should be in the 425RW range.

The GX3 cam is HUUUUGE (239-245 620-620) come on thats not the average cam.
Thats why I used a 230-595 as an example,its big but not rediculous..

Now dont get me wrong,Add a LSX/90MM TB and u MIGHT hit 440RW threw a 4000 verter/12-bolt but that would be about max imo with a good set of heads and a 230-595 cam.

Look at Lyda Cains car.
VERY IMPRESSIVE setup,I think she made 407 unlocked and once TX speed adds the 90TB/LSX I think she's got a good chance at hitting 427 unlocked,then with a locked verter I would expect about 15RW more,I dont know if she has a 12-bolt or not but the bottom line her car should be close to 440RW and she's backed it up with ET's to match given the hp.

Dyno's are tools,U DONT race a dyno.
I've learned this the hard way..

I ran 10.98 with a little less than 400rwhp in -400 DA. Our track it at 1200' so it takes pretty good air to get it into the -DA arena here. Summer time it is usually around +4000'. I am hoping for around 10.70's in +2000 DA air the way the car sits. It is pretty well setup for the track as far as suspension and so forth goes. It isn't stripped. Airbags, carpet, radio, aftermarket seats are in the car. I have no clue what it weighs. I hope to get it on a scale in the near future.

Look at Lyda Cains car.
VERY IMPRESSIVE setup,I think she made 407 unlocked and once TX speed adds the 90TB/LSX I think she's got a good chance at hitting 427 unlocked,then with a locked verter I would expect about 15RW more,I dont know if she has a 12-bolt or not but the bottom line her car should be close to 440RW and she's backed it up with ET's to match given the hp.


she made 409 i believe through a 10 bolt w/ 4.10's...i think Trevors car made like 420 if im not mistaken and both of them ran 10's with little trouble. These are combos that in am m6 car would probably put down 480-490 to the wheels.

she made 409 i believe through a 10 bolt w/ 4.10's...i think Trevors car made like 420 if im not mistaken and both of them ran 10's with little trouble. These are combos that in am m6 car would probably put down 480-490 to the wheels.
:confused: No way. Unless you are talking Flywheel HP... Maybe 440 - 450 rwhp at the most. There is only a 5% difference in drive train loss between a M6 and an A4

she made 409 i believe through a 10 bolt w/ 4.10's...i think Trevors car made like 420 if im not mistaken and both of them ran 10's with little trouble. These are combos that in am m6 car would probably put down 480-490 to the wheels.

That seems a little exaggerated. :confused:

All I really care about is how it does at the drag strip. I have no idea what my race weight is but I've done a lot to lighten it up. Still have the carpet, radio, dash, inside panels, speakers, etc. No more A/C though. :gruffy:

I've been wanting to upgrade to one of the big cams out there and get a really good set of heads to match. Might as well get the bigger intake and TB too. However, I've been dissappointed with the response, or lack there of, from some of our vendors. I've asked three of the top vendors to send me a quote for the above mentioned mods and have received no response from any of them. I guess they all have so much business they don't need another $5 grand+ more. :confused:

I missed where he asked for specifics such as,12 bolt,4:10s.All my numbers are in my sig but the most important and TRUE test is the 1/4 mile which will happen in 2 weeks.Dyno numbers dont mean sh1t to me in fact I dont like dynos,they seem to eat automatics up.

I have no idea what it will run but 11.0s with 395 rwhp LOCKED vs 430 UNlocked should put it into the 10s.BTW-my Yank has always had about a 10 rwhp diff lock to unlock.

JFM - Go run that thing already. We have been waiting since last year... Seriously though, that car should fly.

Car has been down since last November.It will run exactly as it was set up with the old Absolute Heads/224 cam in just a bit more power.I want to add a FAST intake and 90mm TB,do something with that restrictive FLP Y pipe and get it retuned but not until I get some 1/4 mile passes as is.

The GX3 cam is HUUUUGE (239-245 620-620) come on thats not the average cam.

You've been hanging out at Cartek too long. ;) The G5X3 is WAY smaller than that (Both in terms of duration and lift). Its size would surprise everyone who thinks it is such a huge cam. Half the "big cams" out today dwarf the G5X3.

G5X3, Magic Stick, TRex, they are all big to me. G5X3 is the smallest I think.

:confused: No way. Unless you are talking Flywheel HP... Maybe 440 - 450 rwhp at the most. There is only a 5% difference in drive train loss between a M6 and an A4

ok tsp's car just dynoed w/locked converter @447.3x1.05=469.7hp so i was basically 10hp off according to the 5% rule...he's also got a 12 bolt w/4.30 gears so even according to your math its pretty damn close :)

Spanky there Gx2 was 232-240 dont get cute,Cartek Smartek I dont hang on peoples balls.I got some info on this cam and was told by a few it was in the 239-245 range and 600+ lift,If I'm off alittle bit so be it but I can tell u this much my cam is NOWARE near that big.

The GX3 is a BIG CAM PERIOD,U know it and so does everyone else.
Its no secret....

JS,what were your old dyno numbers that used to be in your sig?I have them somewhere but thought that you made some big numbers.

I got some info on this cam and was told by a few it was in the 239-245 range and 600+ lift,If I'm off alittle bit so be it The GX3 is a BIG CAM PERIOD,U know it and so does everyone else.
Its no secret....

Well, according to the cam card I have sitting here, it is nowhere near that size. It is a good 3-5 degrees smaller and .10-.20 less lift than you claim :eek2:. Like I said, its actual specs may surprise all you "OMG! Its a huuuuuuge" guys, thats all I'm saying. Of course, "I heard some info from a few guys" is almost always more trustworthy than a cam card from them clowns at Comp. :rolleyes:

This thread was wanting info on who has hit 440 with an A4. JFM did, period. Just because you're willing to settle for 425, don't knock those who are willing to push the envelope to achieve 440+.

Shawn

ok tsp's car just dynoed w/locked converter @447.3x1.05=469.7hp so i was basically 10hp off according to the 5% rule...he's also got a 12 bolt w/4.30 gears so even according to your math its pretty damn close :)Hey Retard :mad: Don't go changing your previous post around and try to stick something in my face . You posted that an A4 making 409rwhp would be equivalent to an M6 making 480 - 490rwhp. I said no way. Now you come up with some 447 number and add the 5% difference I spoke about and come up with a 470 number to try and justify your stupidity. :321:

Spanky I think u need to rethink your post
JFM did it threw OPEN HEADERS,I did it threw a cutout and a y attached to the car last yr.(Not taking anything away from JFM)

I made 441RW over a yr ago...
I lost over 10RW once I added the 12-bolt.

Wanna know what I think of my dyno numbers.
BIG DEAL,They dont mean squat if the car dont run....

If JFM puts a 12 bolt in his car it'll drop 10RW and if he puts his Y back on it'll drop another 10 easy(I think he actually lost like 17 with it on)

I agree with u some guys push the envelope as I'm one of them as is JFM.
He is running a stout setup with Jays killer heads/GX3,U figure if he loses 25RW from his 446 number (421) doing what I just said then once he locks it back up he'll make 440RW again,more if he runs it w/open headers

Again like JFM sez,dyno's are a joke for a auto.
Its a tuning device,nothing more.

The GX3 is in the high 230's to low 40's with over 600 lift.
Tell ya what Spanky lets see once the specs are out,If I'm wrong I'll appoligize to u toot sweet but if I'm right u have to do the same for me..

In no way am I knocking LG
There stuff ROCKS!!!

Cya buddy...

Hey Retard :mad: Don't go changing your previous post around and try to stick something in my face . You posted that an A4 making 409rwhp would be equivalent to an M6 making 480 - 490rwhp. I said no way. Now you come up with some 447 number and add the 5% difference I spoke about and come up with a 470 number to try and justify your stupidity. :321:

LOL

I noticed the play with numbers also. :huh: He'd make an excellent politician! :nod:

These big high horsepower cams that are being mentioned, does anyone have track numbers that justify the horsepower they are putting down? Just curious.

Hey Retard :mad: Don't go changing your previous post around and try to stick something in my face . You posted that an A4 making 409rwhp would be equivalent to an M6 making 480 - 490rwhp. I said no way. Now you come up with some 447 number and add the 5% difference I spoke about and come up with a 470 number to try and justify your stupidity. :321:

I think trevors car made somewhere in the neigborhood of 420 unlocked and 447 locked then i used your calculation and came up with 470 if it was a 6 speed...if you think im playing with #'s too much im sorry but thats not what i meant to do...i used both camarocains #'s of 409 and trevors car which like i just stated I think make in the 420's unlocked & 447 locked. What do you want me to say Im just making up the #'s as I go along now? Bottom line is according to your 5% theory if completely accurate for a 200r4 that trevors running would equate to around 470 in a manual car.

These big high horsepower cams that are being mentioned, does anyone have track numbers that justify the horsepower they are putting down? Just curious.

I'd like to know this too. Other than the two tsp cars asforementioned

I went 122.98 MPH dynoing 440RW threw my auto at 3460lbs (-240DA)
Thats with a Cartek 224-224 580-580 113LSA

Fairly small cam if u ask me?

I went 122.98 MPH dynoing 440RW threw my auto at 3460lbs (-240DA)
Thats with a Cartek 224-224 580-580 113LSA

Fairly small cam if u ask me?

are ya sure your not rowing gears in that thing ;) jk very nice numbers with such a "small out of date cam" carteks always made great #'s even with those smaller cams for whatever reason...their heads must be just that good?

I think trevors car made somewhere in the neigborhood of 420 unlocked and 447 locked then i used your calculation and came up with 470 if it was a 6 speed...if you think im playing with #'s too much im sorry but thats not what i meant to do...i used both camarocains #'s of 409 and trevors car which like i just stated I think make in the 420's unlocked & 447 locked. What do you want me to say Im just making up the #'s as I go along now? Bottom line is according to your 5% theory if completely accurate for a 200r4 that trevors running would equate to around 470 in a manual car.
I am not trying to start any thing, but if you look at Treavor's numbers. If he was at 420rwhp unlocked and 447 locked and you used my 5% assumption then yes he would be in the 470rwhp ball park. That is a 50 hp difference. Now lets take a step back. You origionall said that Lynda's card put down 409rwhp we can agree on that right. Then she would be around 455-460 in an M6. That was the origional numbers we were speaking of. Excellent numbers and nothing to sneeze at but no where close to 490. Not trying to prove anything except there isn't as much difference in dyno numbers between an A4 and a M6 as you might think. The only accurate way to exactly find out would be to swap trannys in the same car.

I am not trying to start any thing, but if you look at Treavor's numbers. If he was at 420rwhp unlocked and 447 locked and you used my 5% assumption then yes he would be in the 470rwhp ball park. That is a 50 hp difference. Now lets take a step back. You origionall said that Lynda's card put down 409rwhp we can agree on that right. Then she would be around 455-460 in an M6. That was the origional numbers we were speaking of. Excellent numbers and nothing to sneeze at but no where close to 490. Not trying to prove anything except there isn't as much difference in dyno numbers between an A4 and a M6 as you might think. The only accurate way to exactly find out would be to swap trannys in the same car.

your absolutly right about camarocains car according to the #'s she probably wouldnt make the cut hp wise w/M6...all i was saying was that combo has and could make those #'s with an m6...jason from tsp posted a dyno where they made 472w/ that combo on an m6 car with an ls6 manifold then gained another 9hp over that when going with the fast...and remember camarocains car never made big #'s before her heads/cam i think like 310 before the new heads/cam setup so she basically made 100hp. I only wish i could make that improvement w/ my heads/cam though I know I wont :(

Foff667- Ya know you ain't makin 440 rwhp, huh, don't ya? You know it won't matter if you do, huh, don't ya? Cause daddy's home, and you broke the TV, ohh my lil red headed step child. :punch:

I went 11.04/121.47 with a TR 224 563/563 at 3350 lbs at -600 DA.That is a puny cam by todays standards.

The GX3 is in the high 230's to low 40's with over 600 lift.
Tell ya what Spanky lets see once the specs are out,If I'm wrong I'll appoligize to u toot sweet but if I'm right u have to do the same for me..

You might want to start apologizing now. You've got about 1/4 of your numbers right. People think that since the X2 is this, that the X3 has to be way off from it. LG has said it themselves, the X3 is a X2 on steroids. This would tell me it was the same basis, just a little diffrent. You can put all the he said, she said stuff to rest. Spanky knows the specs, I know the specs, and maybe a few others know. If you don't have hard facts, you don't know. We do. I don't think I would try and argue with people who have a cam card sitting in front of them. :)
As far as this post goes, SmithsZ made 445 rwhp with the X3/114, not flycut, Patriot S2 LQ9 heads, through a 12-bolt, and a Yank 4200 stall.

Foff667- Ya know you ain't makin 440 rwhp, huh, don't ya? You know it won't matter if you do, huh, don't ya? Cause daddy's home, and you broke the TV, ohh my lil red headed step child. :punch:

oh go get another mod to call you out cuz you make no sense about weigh classes :eyes: :)

As far as this post goes, SmithsZ made 445 rwhp with the X3/114, not flycut, Patriot S2 LQ9 heads, through a 12-bolt, and a Yank 4200 stall.

OMG a set of patriot heads that made power who wouldve thunk it :angel:

His did, your's won't, that's life. :D

Ohhh, I made plenty of sense dummy.

Ohhh, I made plenty of sense dummy.

now now no personal attacks buddy thats an easy way to get edited or banned :) :angel:

You might want to start apologizing now. You've got about 1/4 of your numbers right. People think that since the X2 is this, that the X3 has to be way off from it. LG has said it themselves, the X3 is a X2 on steroids. This would tell me it was the same basis, just a little diffrent. You can put all the he said, she said stuff to rest. Spanky knows the specs, I know the specs, and maybe a few others know. If you don't have hard facts, you don't know. We do. I don't think I would try and argue with people who have a cam card sitting in front of them. :)

Thank you, Beast. I think its gonna ruffle some feathers when the G5X3 specs come out, alot of people are gonna be scratching their heads, how a cam so much smaller than they thought it was could produce some of the numbers and ETs that it has. The G5X3 is a "medium" sized cam already, with all the new TR and TSP cams out. Lou should be flattered that everyone thinks his cam is so big, a true testament to how well the G5X3 works, IMO.

PS: What cam ya going with? :secret:

Shawn

PS: What cam ya going with? :secret:

ShawnIt's a TSP/Beast96Z "Texas Giant'ish" cam. :angel:

02 LS6 crate motor with bolts ons and spray, thru my Yank... 487

Surfer U said I got them partially right..Well then it looks like spanky and I are both right,so we BOTH owe each other an appology ;)

There's no doubt LG has some killer stuff
Just like everybody else........

Last year I was 418RWHP/420RWTQ and that is through a TH400 and a 12bolt w/ 4.10's...(Closed exhaust also) This year new exhaust and a new much bigger cam.. #'s will know in about a week or so when the new forged 346 goes in.. :nod:

SPRSPT,with the new mods you should fly,good luck and keep us posted.

Last year I was 418RWHP/420RWTQ and that is through a TH400 and a 12bolt w/ 4.10's...(Closed exhaust also) This year new exhaust and a new much bigger cam.. #'s will know in about a week or so when the new forged 346 goes in.. :nod:

Hey Sean

Cant wait to hear this beast man!! Ya better call e when you come down to the track. We can gt ya some good videos this year

Jeremy

Made 447 rwhp unlocked with our Silver 2002 346......but the motor has JE pistons, so its not stock bottomend. ;)

Back when I was the first to run 10's in a stock shortblock/a4 Ls1.....I made 437 locked up.....Stock shortblock, 226/226 cam, GTP 4.8 heads, pt4400....and mac headers/custom 3 inch y-pipe.

Car ran a 10.9 @ 123.5 @ 3420 pounds...with Ed Wright tuning...car never saw a wideband...that was a few years ago.

Just made 412 rwhp cam only auto, pt4600.

Chris

446rwhp here on a stock A4 bottom end in my late 2001. :)

Thats awesome, what kinda cam?

It was an MMS 229 cam, 5.3l heads, 4.10 gears, cutouts, EWP, etc. Even had comp 941s! :)

Not you terry Chris! :P

Which one :) The car that made ~450 rwhp UNLOCKED had a custom nitrous grind....242/238 on a 113. The car that made 437 locked had a 226/226 cam. The car that put out 412rwhp cam only auto is HUGE....something we wanted to try, 250/246 107lsa. We picked up 70rwhp with the cam alone, but I am installing another grind next week with slightly different specs, to see how it does.

Chris
AMS Racing

That doesnt clear stock pistons does it?
Weve done a 230s duration cam on stock bottom end, it made 390 locked (the one that was losing 50 hp when unlocked) and I havent made any tiign changes at 12.5:1... but thats a ways away from 412

Hey Sean

Cant wait to hear this beast man!! Ya better call e when you come down to the track. We can gt ya some good videos this year

Jeremy
Thxs JMF!!!
Jer I am buying a DVD camcorder just 4 the track this year...
I need some good video!!!lol :devil:
I know just the man to call!!!
We will definitly hook up some time this year...

Anyone made 450+++ A4 stock bottom end. Locked or unlocked ?