Automotive News, Media & Press - First Toyota FT-86 coupe dyno'd

Who cares. Google it if you care. Lol.

I care :nod:

Interesting to see how this car comes along. I hope to replace my current Miata DD with this in the future when there is a decent used market for them.

Anyone speak Japanese? :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sisOFi5gRYk

You and auto blog are the only 2 that care.

:lol: Guess so

"Our Japan office talked to SoJ and ToJ a bit yesterday, and unofficial semi-official numbers as of the 18th have the BRZ at 5000 pre-ordered, and the 86 at 8000 pre-ordered. Anybody in Japan trying to order either the Subaru or Toyota will have to wait till August now..."

Seems like there are others who care...

I think it's a good idea and hope more (better) cars like that comeout

I also care. New rwd to the market need support no matter the brand, as the fwd good gas milage crap takes over

I can assure you that I am not on that crappy pre order list.

I can assure you that I am not on that crappy pre order list.

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Why did you start a thread for a car you have no interest in?

I read an article about the faggot Juke-R...didn't come make an irrelevant and meaningless thread for it.

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Why did you start a thread for a car you have no interest in?

I read an article about the faggot Juke-R...didn't come make an irrelevant and meaningless thread for it.

I did it for weirdos like you!

So it is weird to be interested in a new RWD sport-coupe offering? This car is actually a great handling contender, and will hopefully have an STi model soon to satisfy those who only care about acceleration.

So it is weird to be interested in a new RWD sport-coupe offering? This car is actually a great handling contender, and will hopefully have an STi model soon to satisfy those who only care about acceleration.

Where is the love?

Where is the love?

the sti wont have a turbo.

STI FAIL!

the sti wont have a turbo.

STI FAIL!

Why are you quoting me? Quote the guy that gets his acceleration fix from STIs. Lol.

and will hopefully have an STi model soon to satisfy those who only care about acceleration.1) Even though some of us do care a lot about acceleration, it does not mean that all we care about is only acceleration. :burn:

2) I don't think that even an STi version (if it even happens) will still be enough to truly 'satisfy' those who only care about acceleration LOL. ;)

I cant wait till these things start getting a ls swap in the next couple of years because there both good looking so they will be some fun cars.

I've been keeping my eye on these for a sporty DD. I liked the Solstice and Sky, but there isn't a bunch of legroom for the driver with big feet. My '09 Silverado has been the DD lately.

This is one of the dumbest threads I've ever seen. OP says he doesn't care but he goes out of his way to make a thread and keep feeding it by repeatedly posting. Judging OP by this thread and previous posts I nominate him for worst poster of the year. That is all.

Btw it dynod 170rwhp.

This is one of the dumbest threads I've ever seen. OP says he doesn't care but he goes out of his way to make a thread and keep feeding it by repeatedly posting. Judging OP by this thread and previous posts I nominate him for worst poster of the year. That is all.

Btw it dynod 170rwhp.

Yet your gay ass posted in this dumbest thread. You are dumb too.

Gawdammit, I read your thread title and thought, "no one cares!"

Video been removed by user.... Guess it wasn't good?? LOL!

Based on the UK and Japan pricing (both convert to $40k+ in US dollars), this car is going to come in around the same price (I'm guessing around $30k) as a Mustang GT or Camaro SS, who wouldn't pick this over those?? :eyes: (based on a Miata costing £17,990 there and $23,470 here, the BRZ MSRP is £24,999, so with the same gap that puts it a little over $30k) I knew this car was going to be too expensive for what it is, but holy shit, it's going to be a good 30% more than it should be (~$20K IMO).

Based on the UK and Japan pricing (both convert to $40k+ in US dollars), this car is going to come in around the same price (I'm guessing around $30k) as a Mustang GT or Camaro SSIs it REALLY going to base at that price? :eek: Or maybe that's fully loaded?

Damn, what happened to all of the $23k - $25k projections that were being thrown around?

Is it REALLY going to base at that price? :eek: Or maybe that's fully loaded?

Damn, what happened to all of the $23k - $25k projections that were being thrown around?

Well they are still open to change the price for the US as the conversion doesn't always work out the same, but I STRONGLY doubt it's going to be the same price in dollars as it is in pounds(around 1.57 dollars in a pound), and even then it would be $25k base which is high.

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/278281/toyota_gt_86_prices_announced.html

Now, had this had a 300+hp turbo boxer engine under the hood like Subaru probably would have done, it would be priced all right. But no, it has a low horsepower, hard to work on, and hard to make power on 200hp, high compression, boxer engine.

Probably the most affordable light performance car on the market next the Miata and everyone hates it anyway, lol

Probably the most affordable light performance car on the market next the Miata and everyone hates it anyway, lol

I agree completely, not going to be that bad for what it is. Should be a fun little car.

Probably the most affordable light performance car on the market next the MiataI agree, and at the originally suspected $22k - $24k price they really would've been a hell of a bargain too.
But at a starting price of $30k :eek: (if that's actually going to be the case) then no thanks. :nono: For that kind of ca$h I'd be all over a 370Z long before these two torqueless wonders.

And at least the Miata has a convertible top for that summer fun LOL. ;)

So it is weird to be interested in a new RWD sport-coupe offering? This car is actually a great handling contender, and will hopefully have an STi model soon to satisfy those who only care about acceleration.

Has this actually been tested, or is this just something that keeps getting repeated by everyone but has no testing to back it up?

I keep seeing people say "it'll handle great!" but I have seen no actual data.

Has this actually been tested, or is this just something that keeps getting repeated by everyone but has no testing to back it up?

I keep seeing people say "it'll handle great!" but I have seen no actual data.

Everyone says it feels great, but as far as performance numbers I haven't seen any. 1/4 mile times are going to be in the low 15s, which is stupid slow in todays world. That wouldn't be a problem had they kept the cost of the car at or under $20k, but this is way behind everything else that's priced the same.

Is anyone really excited about this car besides few "tuner" fans and Californians? I mean every magazine I got this month is leg humping these things like they bought back the Supra. Wow, they made a 1990 240sx!! I bet a V6 Mustang rapes it on a track.
Here the facts
It's looks are generic, even by Japanese standards.
It's under powered
Anything over $20k it is over priced.
It has Subaru's noisy engine and leaking valve cover mated to a car with all the character, personality of a Toyota.
Anyone remember the XT or the SVX?

Wow, they made a 1990 240sx!!

LOL agreed

Is anyone really excited about this car besides few "tuner" fans and Californians? I mean every magazine I got this month is leg humping these things like they bought back the Supra. Wow, they made a 1990 240sx!! I bet a V6 Mustang rapes it on a track.
Here the facts
It's looks are generic, even by Japanese standards.
It's under powered
Anything over $20k it is over priced.
It has Subaru's noisy engine and leaking valve cover mated to a car with all the character, personality of a Toyota.
Anyone remember the XT or the SVX?


I love the SVX! They were a decent GT car with a cool and different design.

Everyone says it feels great, but as far as performance numbers I haven't seen any. 1/4 mile times are going to be in the low 15s, which is stupid slow in todays world. That wouldn't be a problem had they kept the cost of the car at or under $20k, but this is way behind everything else that's priced the same.

That's not what this car is meant for though, I don't understand what is so hard to get about that. You have to think, this car is directed towards the same type of people who are enthusiasts of the Miata, S2000, etc., etc., none of those types of cars are manufactured for the 1/4 mile. They may not be very fast in a straight line when compared to Mustang's and the like, but they are engineered to create a good all around driving experience and some people prefer having that as a whole versus just banzai straight line performance.

That's not what this car is meant for though, I don't understand what is so hard to get about that. You have to think, this car is directed towards the same type of people who are enthusiasts of the Miata, S2000, etc., etc., none of those types of cars are manufactured for the 1/4 mile. They may not be very fast in a straight line when compared to Mustang's and the like, but they are engineered to create a good all around driving experience and some people prefer having that as a whole versus just banzai straight line performance.

Yes, but not many people can deal with a sports car that runs 15s for over $25k. Having a good feel only goes so far, and that cheaper V6 Mustang is going to be very fast in the corners compared to this as well. The Miata and the S2000 both had the whole convertible thing going for them, and they were lighter (and faster in the S2000s case), and both of them were out YEARS ago. And I mean really, who would have cried foul if Toyota had put a turbo'd engine in this car with 300hp? Nobody.

Hey, if it is underpowered then it will be a piece of cake to beat up on snotty kids who think they are hot stuff in their new yotas. They'll be like annoying little flies that we just smash without a second thought :D

That's not what this car is meant for though, I don't understand what is so hard to get about that. You have to think, this car is directed towards the same type of people who are enthusiasts of the Miata, S2000, etc., etc., none of those types of cars are manufactured for the 1/4 mile. They may not be very fast in a straight line when compared to Mustang's and the like, but they are engineered to create a good all around driving experience and some people prefer having that as a whole versus just banzai straight line performance.True. And that will be all fine and good if the car still ends up being sold for under $25k as some (in this very section of this board) had originally projected, some even almost swore that it was going to be priced very low.
I don't think he's talking about that, I believe he's talking about trying to sell that concept but at a certain price.
Would that same 'basic nimble sports car' concept (that I believe these two cars are shooting for) that you speak of still make total sense to you if the price was going to be $40k? $50k?:huh:
At what price does one draw the line and say "dudes, c'mon, where's the beef for that kind of MSRP?"

I suppose one could look at the (non supercharged) Lotus Elise as an example of an expensive yet quite slow, bare bones sports car offering...but even that had enough balls to at least run in the 13s if need be. And it was also a limited production, mid engined car with some high tech materials engineered into it. Not a mass market, basic front-mid engined design.

Yes, but not many people can deal with a sports car that runs 15s for over $25k. Having a good feel only goes so far, and that cheaper V6 Mustang is going to be very fast in the corners compared to this as well. The Miata and the S2000 both had the whole convertible thing going for them, and they were lighter (and faster in the S2000s case), and both of them were out YEARS ago. And I mean really, who would have cried foul if Toyota had put a turbo'd engine in this car with 300hp? Nobody.

You can even take a look at some of the newer sport compacts out there on the market. Take for example the VW GTi and 8th/9th gen Civic Si, those are both right in that 25k ballpark and neither of those cars run very fast 1/4 times at all, however you still have a relatively large following for each. I don't think 1/4 mile times are going to be a major priority for the people who are going to buy this car. It seems like it's directed towards those who want to have an actual "drivers car", something that's actually fun in more places than just the 1/4 mile. Not every car enthusiast out there really cares about having a lot of power. Some like a good balance of everything and that is a trait that cars like this Toyota seems like it will have, which is why I think it's pretty cool.

Also, the Mustang may be able to outperform it, but at the end of the day it's still a V6 base Mustang. I would much rather have a more expensive FT86 or GTi, even a new Civic Si over that car.

Also, the Mustang may be able to outperform it, but at the end of the day it's still a V6 base Mustang.Oh I don't know if I'd word it that way...at the end of the day those other cars are just some basic entry level Toyotas, Subarus, Volkswagens and Hondas too. ;)
Mustang is an American icon, a virtual legend in the car world. :cool:

Oh I don't know if I'd word it that way...at the end of the day those other cars are just some basic entry level Toyotas, Subarus, Volkswagens and Hondas too. ;)
Mustang is an American icon, a virtual legend in the car world. :cool:

True, however, the Si, GTi, WRX, etc., those are also known by many people in the car world as being actual purpose built performance oriented trim levels of these base model foreign compact cars. The names have been around for years too and they do stand for something to some people.

It would suit my purposes just fine. Commuting and the occasion canyon run on the way home, I work swing = empty roads :nod: