Automotive News, Media & Press - ZL1 test video *better driver*

Someone who can drive tests ZL1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FygVmlmhrO4&feature=player_embedded

Discuss.....

Sounds about like everyone was predicting; low 12s high 11s w/ average drivers

now were talking!

Yeah. I just had a "discussion" on FB with someone about the ZL1 vs Boss LS comparison. His argument was, it was stupid to compare the ZL1 against the Boss LS because the ZL1 is blown and has XXX amount more HP, even on the road course. That they should compare the '13 Shelby to the ZL1. My argument was it was a fair comparison cause 1) the ZL1 was running on a road course against the Boss LS, which is a purpose-built car for a Road Course. 2) I wouldn't think Ford would allow the Shelby to sh!t all over the Boss LS and outhandle it on such a course and 3) the '13 Shelby isn't even out yet so why not compare it to something.

did it look like a dog to anyone else, runs good but was the vid in slow mo, lol

did it look like a dog to anyone else, runs good but was the vid in slow mo, lol

i thought his shifting wasnt great but apparently effective. maybe theres even more in a zl1?

I bet with DR's on the drag strip and good driver this thing will run mid 11's no prob

Yeah. I just had a "discussion" on FB with someone about the ZL1 vs Boss LS comparison. His argument was, it was stupid to compare the ZL1 against the Boss LS because the ZL1 is blown and has XXX amount more HP, even on the road course.You can also tell them that one cannot look only at the horsepower alone when determining whether or not the two cars should've been compared (I don't necessarily think that they should've been either) or not, but also the weight. Yes the ZL1 makes lots more power than the Boss 302 but it ALSO weighs 400+ pounds more.





maybe theres even more in a zl1?There likely is, that test was done in Arizona which has some areas of seriously high elevation. It probably did show us a good all around 'average' or representation of what one can expect from the car around the country/world. Of course at an actual drag strip (especially one much closer to sea level) during the cooler months the car could certainly run quicker/faster, I still don't think that 11s and 120+mph bone stock are out of the question. :nod:
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I bet with DR's on the drag strip and good driver this thing will run mid 11's no prob

Hell he went that quick on that dirty ass bumpy section of the track just think what a good driver with a prepped track could do even without tires it should be 11.80's all day not to shabby for 4000 pounds and 20 inch wheels.I think with a really good pass,tune and slicks(big and littles) it might see 10's depending on how soft the tune is from the factory and if it makes a drastic improvement lets hope so because ford is bringing their A GAME with the new GT500 and there own launch control.

That was the best review I've seen so far on this car. I feel like it could go a good bit faster on an actual prepped 1/4 mile track though, so I'm not going to take those numbers too seriously. GT500 I'm feeling is going to be able to definitely rip it up in a straight line but, that's just me guessing, they should be a great match up, the ZL1 is definitely an impressive car.

The ZL1 has the no lift shift capability too so when this guy was shifting he didn't have to worry about lifting off the gas. I'm sure this helps out a lot. The auto has paddle shifters too right?

My argument was it was a fair comparison cause 1) the ZL1 was running on a road course against the Boss LS, which is a purpose-built car for a Road Course. 2) I wouldn't think Ford would allow the Shelby to sh!t all over the Boss LS and outhandle it on such a course and 3) the '13 Shelby isn't even out yet so why not compare it to something.

1. The current GT500 is quicker around a tight track than the Boss LS is.

2. Do you really think Ford is going to make their more expensive car SLOWER than the cheaper one? The current GT500 is quicker around a tight track than the Boss LS is, 100 more horse power and everything else and yes, it is going to shit all over it.

3. The ZL1 isn't out yet either.

I think with a really good pass,tune and slicks(big and littles) it might see 10's depending on how soft the tune is from the factory and if it makes a drastic improvement lets hope so because ford is bringing their A GAME with the new GT500 and there own launch control.

I don't see it hitting 10s ever with just tires, that is a shit load of weight to get those kind of times with only 580hp. 11.1 is the quickest the 2011/12 GT500 has gone on slicks, I doubt the ZL1 is going to beat that (or hell, even match that). The IRS is going to hurt it, and the GT500 still has the better power/weight ratio.

Oh my god! Who would have thought? High 11 second passes on a street like surface...!? I bet it will hit 11.70's maybe a tad lower on a prepped track......just like I said 6 months ago. Not sure why some people are so baffled by this...

The auto has paddle shifters too right?Yes, but it's still the traditional 6L90 (stronger version of the 6L80) 6 speed automatic and typically the fastest way down the track would be letting the computer do the shifting (full auto mode). :nod:

The Shelby will outrun the Boss in the 1/4, no doubt about that but I don't see the purpose for the Boss if the Shelby smokes it on a road course other than a collector car. The Shelby will be carrying more weight also. I know more HP than the weight difference but still. And the ZL1 is being tested, the '13 Shelby is not.

im just happy to see the zl1 getting positive reviews. Who knows maybe for 2013 chevy will up the cts-v and zl1 power to 600+ and give the zr1 some more boost as well

High 11's on an unprepped surface and street tires is very impressive. It also looked like he was not utilizing the no lift shift feature...which could have added another tenth or two. The current gt500 has never touched those numbers on stock tires and a prepped track. And we still havent seen what private owners can do.

I dont doubt some may get close to mid 11's bone stock and stock tires with a well prepped track and better DA.

The Shelby will outrun the Boss in the 1/4, no doubt about that but I don't see the purpose for the Boss if the Shelby smokes it on a road course other than a collector car. The Shelby will be carrying more weight also. I know more HP than the weight difference but still. And the ZL1 is being tested, the '13 Shelby is not.

That's because the '13 GT500 doesn't exist yet...they haven't even started production, whereas the ZL1 will be hitting dealerships within the next few weeks (production started 2 weeks ago iirc)...

Everyone keeps asking why the pitted the ZL1 vs. the Boss LS recently, well, because that's Ford's top dog road race car right now and the ZL1 is chevy's.

I know the shelby has outperformed the Boss LS on some tracks, but from what I understand, the two ('12 GT500 and Boss LS) are both very comperable performers, with victories to each car depending on the track.

High 11's on an unprepped surface and street tires is very impressive. It also looked like he was not utilizing the no lift shift feature...which could have added another tenth or two. The current gt500 has never touched those numbers on stock tires and a prepped track. And we still havent seen what private owners can do.

I dont doubt some may get close to mid 11's bone stock and stock tires with a well prepped track and better DA.

Never touched what numbers?

Never touched what numbers?

High 11's bone stock with stock tires on an unprepped surface with warm temps.

High 11's bone stock with stock tires on an unprepped surface with warm temps.

Lol pretty specific test there

Lol pretty specific test there


Ummm...not really. That pretty much covers all mag reviews etc. The cars are always stock and they dont usually use prepped surfaces. Not always warm though.

I havent seen a gt500 do better than mid 12's on an unprepped surface in mag reviews.

I seen that Evan Smith ran a 12 flat with a 2011 GT500 on a prepped track. 11.9 with a 2010 with a prepped track and far cooler temps.

Unless this guy is a freak and this car is a ringer...it is safe to say that on stock rubber the ZL1 is quicker than a current gt500. Not sure why GM would even release the thing if it wasnt.

Ummm...not really. That pretty much covers all mag reviews etc. The cars are always stock and they dont usually use prepped surfaces. Not always warm though.

I havent seen a gt500 do better than mid 12's on an unprepped surface in mag reviews.

I seen that Evan Smith ran a 12 flat with a 2011 GT500 on a prepped track. 11.9 with a 2010 with a prepped track and far cooler temps.

Unless this guy is a freak and this car is a ringer...it is safe to say that on stock rubber the ZL1 is quicker than a current gt500. Not sure why GM would even release the thing if it wasnt.

Haha ok guy

Haha ok guy

Ok...

Enlighten me I guess. Maybe I just dont get it and you could shed some light on my inferior intellect.

No need to act like a prick...just trying to have a nice discussion. I honestly cant find any more information to prove my points otherwise. I am open to anything you have to say...I am not a blinded fanboy by any means. I dont own either car and probably never will...

It is obvious to me that GM did just enough to edge out the current gt500 but will be in big trouble with the 2013.

If I am wrong...whatever. The sun will still rise tomorrow....probably.

The ZL1 comes in an auto...? Didn't see that coming.

Ok...
Enlighten me I guess. Maybe I just dont get it and you could shed some light on my inferior intellect.

No need to act like a prick...just trying to have a nice discussion. I honestly cant find any more information to prove my points otherwise. I am open to anything you have to say...I am not a blinded fanboy by any means. I dont own either car and probably never will...

It is obvious to me that GM did just enough to edge out the current gt500 but will be in big trouble with the 2013.

If I am wrong...whatever. The sun will still rise tomorrow....probably.

I was going to be done with this but would like you to know I'm not being a prick.

I don't disagree with your assessments of the GT500 compared to the ZL1 but I think that validating them with what equates to CERTAIN magazine times is ridiculous. The sample size is so small and so inconsistent that about the only conclusions I draw are that they are both in fact automobiles, have 4 wheels, and are able to successfully drive one 1/4 mile.

Its probably just me but I find this need to instantly compare these cars based on very limited data with inconsistent drivers a little silly. I think the same thing of the Boss LS/ZL1 test. I think that these cars need to get out to the public for a little while before we can make any real CONCRETE comparisons.

The ZL1 comes in an auto...? Didn't see that coming.

Thats been known for a long time now

I was going to be done with this but would like you to know I'm not being a prick.

I don't disagree with your assessments of the GT500 compared to the ZL1 but I think that validating them with what equates to CERTAIN magazine times is ridiculous. The sample size is so small and so inconsistent that about the only conclusions I draw are that they are both in fact automobiles, have 4 wheels, and are able to successfully drive one 1/4 mile.

Its probably just me but I find this need to instantly compare these cars based on very limited data with inconsistent drivers a little silly. I think the same thing of the Boss LS/ZL1 test. I think that these cars need to get out to the public for a little while before we can make any real CONCRETE comparisons.



Thats been known for a long time now

Fair enough good post...:cheers:

I don't see it hitting 10s ever with just tires, that is a shit load of weight to get those kind of times with only 580hp. 11.1 is the quickest the 2011/12 GT500 has gone on slicks, I doubt the ZL1 is going to beat that (or hell, even match that). The IRS is going to hurt it, and the GT500 still has the better power/weight ratio.
Let's not forget I also said a good tune plus if this thing is running high 11's with stock tires on a dirty unprepared surface you don't think it can hit 10's with a few more Hp,slicks, and a good track?And assuming they only make 580hp!

Let's not forget I also said a good tune plus if this thing is running high 11's with stock tires on a dirty unprepared surface you don't think it can hit 10's with a few more Hp,slicks, and a good track?And assuming they only make 580hp!

You have to remember that adding good tires to a car that's already hooking good isn't going to make the same kind of difference as it does on a car like the GT500 where the stock tires are too narrow and spin a lot. I still don't see them hitting high 10s with a tune and slicks, add a pulley into that and it could easily happen though. But then we are no longer talking a stock car, and the GT500 has gone deep 10s (maybe 9s?) with the stock blower.

IDK, Chevy should have just put in a detuned ZR1 motor (and kept the weight around the SS Camaro!). I don't see the ZL1 being able to handle near what the GT500s can on the stock motor.

I'm really surprised at how composed it is around the track.

I thought his shifting was pretty solid, he knew what he was doing.

Comparing the Chevrolet ZL1 ( 580 hp ) to what i've seen times for the SLP ZL1 (750 hp ) version and Hennessey versions ( 700 + ), running 10's in the 1/4 mile may require a bit more power .

Comparing the Chevrolet ZL1 ( 580 hp ) to what i've seen times for the SLP ZL1 (750 hp ) version and Hennessey versions ( 700 + ), running 10's in the 1/4 mile may require a bit more power .

I don't think it's fair comparing a car engineered by GM performance division to a car built by a shop. :)

I don't think it's fair comparing a car engineered by GM performance division to a car built by a shop. :)

Not whatsoever.

It blows my mind how people are only focused on weight and HP. The suspension on the ZL1 is phenomenal, and a crucial part of why it performs so well.

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3. The ZL1 isn't out yet either.

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Actually i believe as of LAST WEEK the car started rolling down the assembly line, so yes it IS out. Nobody has even seen a full production GT500 yet.

3. The ZL1 isn't out yet either.


Actually i believe as of LAST WEEK the car started rolling down the assembly line, so yes it IS out. Nobody has even seen a full production '13 GT500 yet.

Can you go down to the dealer and buy one? Didn't think so...

Can you go down to the dealer and buy one? Didn't think so...

Yes...you can go down and buy one...you just have to wait a few weeks to actually get it. :)

Yes...you can go down and buy one...you just have to wait a few weeks to actually get it. :)

LOL i can go buy a freaking casket, doesnt mean im dead. If you cant get in the car and drive out the damn lot with it, it isnt out yet.

Also, the time presented here are "corrected" meaning they ran a certain time, then they figured in things like temperature, surface, traction, and came up with "sub12s" yea:secret2:

You have to remember that adding good tires to a car that's already hooking good isn't going to make the same kind of difference as it does on a car like the GT500 where the stock tires are too narrow and spin a lot. I still don't see them hitting high 10s with a tune and slicks, add a pulley into that and it could easily happen though. But then we are no longer talking a stock car, and the GT500 has gone deep 10s (maybe 9s?) with the stock blower.

IDK, Chevy should have just put in a detuned ZR1 motor (and kept the weight around the SS Camaro!). I don't see the ZL1 being able to handle near what the GT500s can on the stock motor.

1.The car has good traction but its still limiting power/e.t. by using a traction control system and is not as good as set of slicks that hook.

2.I'm hoping that its more than "580hp" stock and that theres still some power to be made from a good tune but only time will tell.

3.A 10.99 is 10 second pass to me and once we bolt on slicks and add a tune its no longer stock no matter what some guys think so if the mods mentioned dont get 10's then add a pulley but you never know and only time will tell.I guess we can only dream right?

4.You are correct i dont know why gm didnt just put a zr1 in it is stupid and it would cost them less money to build them in higher numbers which could allow them to lower the price on both cars but we might be ok because theres alot of guys running some fast times with stock bottom ends boosted(4.8,5.3,5.7,6.0,6.2) but it would be nice to be forged like the ford boys oh well nobodys perfect.

My comment about the car being out is that it IS out being tested. The '13 Shelby isn't. There is a ZL1 that is driving around and being reviewed. There is no '13 Shelby driving around being reviewed yet.

Someone will hit mid 11's with DRs at the track.

I don't think it's fair comparing a car engineered by GM performance division to a car built by a shop. :)
I will agree with you sir..............BUT ..............You might need to relay that feeling to others as well when they tested the Hennessey HPE550/ 650 version against the Shelby GT500 . Many didn't cry foul after that test.

My comment about the car being out is that it IS out being tested. The '13 Shelby isn't. There is a ZL1 that is driving around and being reviewed. There is no '13 Shelby driving around being reviewed yet.
Muscle Mustang & Fast Fords tested one .........I think it was a production ready version. If i'm incorrect my apology ahead of time .

Last I checked the ZL1's LSA has some significant differences from the LS9. So I guess the powerplant isn't from the ZR1. Journalists make me sad.

Muscle Mustang & Fast Fords tested one .........I think it was a production ready version. If i'm incorrect my apology ahead of time .

That's cool. Any numbers released?

Ummm...not really. That pretty much covers all mag reviews etc. The cars are always stock and they dont usually use prepped surfaces. Not always warm though.

I havent seen a gt500 do better than mid 12's on an unprepped surface in mag reviews.

I seen that Evan Smith ran a 12 flat with a 2011 GT500 on a prepped track. 11.9 with a 2010 with a prepped track and far cooler temps.

Unless this guy is a freak and this car is a ringer...it is safe to say that on stock rubber the ZL1 is quicker than a current gt500. Not sure why GM would even release the thing if it wasnt.

You do realize this guy didn't run those times either, right? These times are corrected. You can't readily compare them to actual times run. The 2011 that Smith tested was in 80 and 90 deg weather, and these runs were in cool weather. The current GT500 is faster than the CTS-v when tested on the same day, and would thus be quicker if driven well. I wouldn't jump out and say the ZL1 will automatically beat the 2012 GT500 just becasue it is new. The 2012 GT500 has the better power to weight ratio.

4.You are correct i dont know why gm didnt just put a zr1 in it is stupid and it would cost them less money to build them in higher numbers which could allow them to lower the price on both carsGood points, :nod: but I think it might have a little to do with keeping the ZR1's LS9 more 'exclusive' as well. And you're right about spreading the costs over a wider production and that's exactly what they did when sharing the LSA between the CTS-V line and the ZL1.
Plus it is likely still more costly to build an LS9 than it is to build an LSA. :burn:

If they put the actual ZR1 motor in there, I don't think the base price would be $54,000, with the actual ZR1 being over $100,000 for a base price.

That's cool. Any numbers released?

:corn:http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_1202_2013_ford_mustang_shelby_gt500_rocket_la uncher/index.html

The current GT500 is faster than the CTS-v when tested on the same day, and would thus be quicker if driven well. I wouldn't jump out and say the ZL1 will automatically beat the 2012 GT500 just becasue it is new.That may be true. :nod:
I think that on the same track on the same day with the same driver, the current GT500 might edge out a manual ZL1 in the 1/4 mile by a tenth or two.
But that automatic ZL1 is going to be tough to beat and it might take only the very best drivers (I'm talking Evan Smith level or better) to do it with a 2012 GT500.





The 2012 GT500 has the better power to weight ratio.True. :nod: And even though the 2013 GT500 might (or it might not?) be heavier than the 2012 model, it will also have LOTS more power AND hopefully a very high tech/great performing launch/traction control system so it could very well beat the ZL1 every time, again with equal drivers, same track, same day etc.
Of course we also don't know exactly what looms at GM/Chevrolet in the coming years either...there is talk of Direct Injection, VVT, sequential manual (DCT/FI style) paddle shifter transmissions etc.
These are good times to be a performance oriented car guy. :burn:

Good points, :nod: but I think it might have a little to do with keeping the ZR1's LS9 more 'exclusive' as well. And you're right about spreading the costs over a wider production and that's exactly what they did when sharing the LSA between the CTS-V line and the ZL1.
Plus it is likely still more costly to build an LS9 than it is to build an LSA. :burn:
I agree also .(IE) The forged internals , etc are more costly in the LS9 .

:corn:http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_1202_2013_ford_mustang_shelby_gt500_rocket_la uncher/index.htmlWow, that car is going to be pretty badass. :cool:
Something tells me that it might be costing a bit more than only $49k (or even $54k) though. :nono:

This stuff looks pretty freakin' cool:

http://image.musclemustangfastfords.com/f/features/mmfp_1202_2013_ford_mustang_shelby_gt500_rocket_la uncher/34822865+w200/mmfp-1202-2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-rocket-launcher-014.jpg

http://image.musclemustangfastfords.com/f/features/mmfp_1202_2013_ford_mustang_shelby_gt500_rocket_la uncher/34822877+w200/mmfp-1202-2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-rocket-launcher-018.jpg

Wow, that car is going to be pretty badass. :cool:
Something tells me that it might be costing a bit more than only $49k (or even $54k) though. :nono:

This stuff looks pretty freakin' cool:

http://image.musclemustangfastfords.com/f/features/mmfp_1202_2013_ford_mustang_shelby_gt500_rocket_la uncher/34822865+w200/mmfp-1202-2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-rocket-launcher-014.jpg

http://image.musclemustangfastfords.com/f/features/mmfp_1202_2013_ford_mustang_shelby_gt500_rocket_la uncher/34822877+w200/mmfp-1202-2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-rocket-launcher-018.jpg

I am sure as well ....I have frequented Fords website and the whole selection of mustangs have seen increases. The Shelby GT500 definitely has too.

again......

FYI ....I try not to comment too often and just sit back and learn . I actually like the ZL1 and hope it does well. This and other reason help improve the breed .

Were nerds actually arguing that the zl1 isnt out either....when its already in production and set to be sold. LMAO. Really guys?

That may be true. :nod:
I think that on the same track on the same day with the same driver, the current GT500 might edge out a manual ZL1 in the 1/4 mile by a tenth or two.
But that automatic ZL1 is going to be tough to beat and it might take only the very best drivers (I'm talking Evan Smith level or better) to do it with a 2012 GT500.





True. :nod: And even though the 2013 GT500 might (or it might not?) be heavier than the 2012 model, it will also have LOTS more power AND hopefully a very high tech/great performing launch/traction control system so it could very well beat the ZL1 every time, again with equal drivers, same track, same day etc.
Of course we also don't know exactly what looms at GM/Chevrolet in the coming years either...there is talk of Direct Injection, VVT, sequential manual (DCT/FI style) paddle shifter transmissions etc.
These are good times to be a performance oriented car guy. :burn:

It doesn't look the a DCT will make it into the Vette (a mistake, I think), so there is no chance of it showing up in the Camaro.

I am curious as to how soon the Bow-Tie camp fires back.
2012 is a super short model year for the ZL1, so I dount it will be in 2013, if at all. To surpass the power output, they would have to surpass the ZR1, so they likely will not be able to unless the new ZR1 debuts at the same time as the rest of the C7s, and with a good bit more power.

Good points, :nod: but I think it might have a little to do with keeping the ZR1's LS9 more 'exclusive' as well. And you're right about spreading the costs over a wider production and that's exactly what they did when sharing the LSA between the CTS-V line and the ZL1.
Plus it is likely still more costly to build an LS9 than it is to build an LSA. :burn:

If they put the actual ZR1 motor in there, I don't think the base price would be $54,000, with the actual ZR1 being over $100,000 for a base price.

I'm not saying put the ZR1 motor as it is in the ZR1 into the ZL1, but use that engine with a smaller blower or some way of detuning it. Then it could handle a boatload of power without having to rip it apart, which is not going to be the case with the engine they are using. And the current GT500 motor is better (pretty sure anyway, I haven't seen any ZR1s putting down GT500 numbers for power on the stock block), so they could easily keep the cost the same with a motor that will handle more boost.

Were nerds actually arguing that the zl1 isnt out either....when its already in production and set to be sold. LMAO. Really guys?

Again, can you drive down to the dealership, buy one, and then drive it home? No. It isn't any more out than the 2013 GT500 is right now.

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Again, can you drive down to the dealership, buy one, and then drive it home? No. It isn't any more out than the 2013 GT500 is right now.


Nerd.

I'm not saying put the ZR1 motor as it is in the ZR1 into the ZL1, but use that engine with a smaller blower or some way of detuning it. Then it could handle a boatload of power without having to rip it apart, which is not going to be the case with the engine they are using. And the current GT500 motor is better (pretty sure anyway, I haven't seen any ZR1s putting down GT500 numbers for power on the stock block), so they could easily keep the cost the same with a motor that will handle more boost.

Yes it is, 2012 received a revised block and heads along with a much more efficient blower. With the 2013 they just upped the displacement and went over the top with the efficiency. Personally,I honestly don't feel the ZL1 stands a chance in hell. Furthermore,I think if GM would have released this car back when they first started talking about it (what two years ago) it would have been a better fight.

Ford knows exactly what they are doing and I feel they are going to do the same thing now they did in 2010/11. Waited for competition to look stout and then a few months later come out with this ridiculously awesome package and crush the competition. No the 2013 is not produced yet ( that I know of ) but its probably because they are waiting to see what the production ZL1 turns out to actually be.

It doesn't look the a DCT will make it into the Vette (a mistake, I think), so there is no chance of it showing up in the Camaro.We don't know that just yet, too soon to tell...but I agree that even if the C7 does debut with a DCT/SMG trans that there is still little chance of it finding it's way into the Camaro line any time soon.

And the current GT500 motor is better (pretty sure anyway, I haven't seen any ZR1s putting down GT500 numbers for power on the stock block)I'm pretty sure that one of the older iron block GT500 motors has probably eclipsed the 1000rwhp mark on a stock bottom end already :cool: ...one of the highest stock bottom end LS9s that I know of has made 885hp (at the crank at least) but I thought I'd heard of one making that much (or more?) at the wheels as well. Not sure.
Even the CTS-V's LSA (essentially a ZL1 motor) has safely made well over 700rwhp on it's stock bottom end. :nod:

don't you guys get it? both cars are incredible. it's gonna be a drivers race between them.

don't you guys get it? both cars are incredible. it's gonna be a drivers race between them.Agreed.

Again, can you drive down to the dealership, buy one, and then drive it home? No. It isn't any more out than the 2013 GT500 is right now.

So pricing, production, options/brochures, and the ability to go pay for one right now has nothing to do with the car being available?

I'd consider those steps incredibly necessary to a car "being out" :lol:

You may not be able to go to a dealership and buy one/take it home the same day right now, but i'd say the ZL1 is a little more "out" than the 2013 GT500, which last I knew didn't even have a production start date or pricing yet. They're going to hit dealerships within a few weeks. Early march at the latest...

I almost bet they'll be in showrooms before the 13 GT500 has pricing.

don't you guys get it? both cars are incredible. it's gonna be a drivers race between them.

Im guessing your talking about the 2012 gt500 right? Because if it comes down to a drivers race for the zl1 and the new gt500 then that will be a sad day for ford guys everywhere.

Im guessing your talking about the 2012 gt500 right? Because if it comes down to a drivers race for the zl1 and the new gt500 then that will be a sad day for ford guys everywhere.

I think it's going to be a lot closer than people are giving credit to.

I think it's going to be a lot closer than people are giving credit to.

this.

I think it's going to be a lot closer than people are giving credit to.

Doubt it, the current GT500 and the ZL1 are a close drivers race. Add 100hp and everything else and it's going to be an ass kicking, although I'm sure the huge 2sec gap the ZL1 had on the Boss LS is going to be a tiny 4-5sec gap behind the GT500 :eyes: If it was going to be close GM wouldn't be trying to down talk the GT500 so much, or bench racing a car that's not even out yet by running virtual tests on a car they haven't had their hands on; that's what someone does when they already know they lost.

Doubt it, the current GT500 and the ZL1 are a close drivers race. Add 100hp and everything else and it's going to be an ass kicking, although I'm sure the huge 2sec gap the ZL1 had on the Boss LS is going to be a tiny 4-5sec gap behind the GT500 :eyes: If it was going to be close GM wouldn't be trying to down talk the GT500 so much, or bench racing a car that's not even out yet by running virtual tests on a car they haven't had their hands on; that's what someone does when they already know they lost.

This ^^

Doubt it, the current GT500 and the ZL1 are a close drivers race. Add 100hp and everything else and it's going to be an ass kicking, although I'm sure the huge 2sec gap the ZL1 had on the Boss LS is going to be a tiny 4-5sec gap behind the GT500 :eyes: If it was going to be close GM wouldn't be trying to down talk the GT500 so much, or bench racing a car that's not even out yet by running virtual tests on a car they haven't had their hands on; that's what someone does when they already know they lost.

bolded.....NOW you're gettin it!!

:engarde:

Doubt it, the current GT500 and the ZL1 are a close drivers race. Add 100hp and everything else and it's going to be an ass kicking, although I'm sure the huge 2sec gap the ZL1 had on the Boss LS is going to be a tiny 4-5sec gap behind the GT500 :eyes: If it was going to be close GM wouldn't be trying to down talk the GT500 so much, or bench racing a car that's not even out yet by running virtual tests on a car they haven't had their hands on; that's what someone does when they already know they lost.

I completely understand people's skepticism, but it isn't enough for me to just give the win to the '13 GT500 just yet. While HP is a part of road racing, it's definitely not the entire formula.

The ZL1 suspension/tires/IRS is definitely something to take note of. I haven't seen anything on the side of the GT500 that seems very revolutionary or really all that impressive besides the motor.

Remember, we're talking 285 street tires on a solid axel with 650hp on the Gt500. That seems like an odd match to me.

Take a look at the Boss LS, it weighs less, has a roll cage, more power per pound than the ZL1 iirc, and the whole car is engineered for road racing. The ZL1 beat it, and before you say "well the ZL1 has X more horsepower", take a look at where the experts at the track said that the cars didn't even get to use most of their HP at the track, and that the HP difference wasn't of massive significance. That race wasn't won on horsepower alone, and it definitely wasn't won by weight.

To outperform the ZL1 in the same fashion than the ZL1 outperformed the Boss LS, the GT500 will have to absolutely embarrass the Boss LS, which is currently Ford's purpose engineered road track car.

Ford obviously has the power/motor for a stiff competition which isn't debatable, but we'll see if they can provide the complete package.

I am not saying the ZL1 is a clear cut winner over the '13 GT500...I am saying, in my opinion, it will be closer than people will expect between the two. I'm just looking at the facts, not trying to be biased.

Yea FINALLY someone who knows wtf their doing. Not some bull shit 13 second pass! Smh... Can't wait to see this thing with DR on

I completely understand people's skepticism, but it isn't enough for me to just give the win to the '13 GT500 just yet. While HP is a part of road racing, it's definitely not the entire formula.

The ZL1 suspension/tires/IRS is definitely something to take note of. I haven't seen anything on the side of the GT500 that seems very revolutionary or really all that impressive besides the motor.

Remember, we're talking 285 street tires on a solid axel with 650hp on the Gt500. That seems like an odd match to me.

Take a look at the Boss LS, it weighs less, has a roll cage, more power per pound than the ZL1 iirc, and the whole car is engineered for road racing. The ZL1 beat it, and before you say "well the ZL1 has X more horsepower", take a look at where the experts at the track said that the cars didn't even get to use most of their HP at the track, and that the HP difference wasn't of massive significance. That race wasn't won on horsepower alone, and it definitely wasn't won by weight.

To outperform the ZL1 in the same fashion than the ZL1 outperformed the Boss LS, the GT500 will have to absolutely embarrass the Boss LS, which is currently Ford's purpose engineered road track car.

Ford obviously has the power/motor for a stiff competition which isn't debatable, but we'll see if they can provide the complete package.

I am not saying the ZL1 is a clear cut winner over the '13 GT500...I am saying, in my opinion, it will be closer than people will expect between the two. I'm just looking at the facts, not trying to be biased.

the LS doesn'thave a cage.

the LS doesn'thave a cage.

At least you got the important part of that post.:eyes:

the LS doesn'thave a cage.

Excuse me, ***rear seat delete and "cross bracing"

Excuse me, ***rear seat delete and "cross bracing"

cross bracing does not a roll cage make.

Take a look at the Boss LS, it weighs less, has a roll cage, more power per pound than the ZL1 iirc, and the whole car is engineered for road racing. The ZL1 beat it, and before you say "well the ZL1 has X more horsepower", take a look at where the experts at the track said that the cars didn't even get to use most of their HP at the track, and that the HP difference wasn't of massive significance. That race wasn't won on horsepower alone, and it definitely wasn't won by weight.



The experts made the ~1mph the ZL1 had on the Boss in a couple of the corners seem like a big deal. Did you look at the track they raced on? They were definitely getting to use all that extra horsepower, and the Boss has close to an extra pound per horsepower compared to the ZL1. The '13 GT500 is going to have a little more than a pound less per horsepower than the ZL1, and is going to out handle the current one I'm sure. I have yet to see any track data showing the Boss LS beating the current GT500 around a track; the only one I saw was a tighter track and the GT500 took the win.

cross bracing does not a roll cage make.

And still the rest of that post went right over your head.

Im gonna lay my money down on the new gt500 at the strip but for the road course i think that the zl1 will have it.I also feel that ford has not given us any stats yet because they were caught off guard will the performance of the heavy zl1 and maybe they had to makes so new tweaks to make sure they come out on top if not then they why havent they coughed up anything like they always do because we normally have these kinda of stats way before the cars come out now they only have like 2 or 3 months and still nothing come on ford im a GM guy and im dieing to see whats up give ii to us NOW...:judge:

No stats like them testing it at the ring and not producing a time. That should tell a story there.

How often do high performance cars go there to test and not reveal times, especially with trigger happy Ford who loves to try and 1 up GM every chance it can get?

^^They might be waiting to surprise everyone with how fast it is, you never know. Nobody had even the slightest idea that this car was coming when they were already testing it on the Ring (which again, is a horseshit way to test cars, and Ford has never been one to post it's Ring times). Clearly they aren't worried about the ZL1, unlike Chevy is with the GT500.

I can't wait until they actually start testing it to end all of this!

And still the rest of that post went right over your head.

no, it didn't. there's no use debating about 2 cars that aren't on the street yet.

they haven't posted either because it's slower than they'd like, or they're waiting till the hype dies down a little.

now in one of the other threads about this, someone linked to a guy that was from the camaro5 forums? supposedly he was at the ring and able to clock them sort of? he claimed one in the mid 7:4's, and the other in the mid 7:3's. i don't think that word can be taken though........

High 11's on an unprepped surface and street tires is very impressive. It also looked like he was not utilizing the no lift shift feature...which could have added another tenth or two. The current gt500 has never touched those numbers on stock tires and a prepped track. And we still havent seen what private owners can do.

I dont doubt some may get close to mid 11's bone stock and stock tires with a well prepped track and better DA.

The video you see is not the timed run shown, can almost guarantee it.

A few other things to point out.

It is not warm in Arizona at 4000ft this time of year.

At 4000ft on a speed track racing a blower car vs a na car isn't exactly ideal. guarantee you the Boss was hurting for some air.

Should have been 2012 GT500 vs the ZR1 in the test.

That's cool. Any numbers released?

Evan Smith said he expects 11.60-11.70s in stock trim.

Evan Smith said he expects 11.60-11.70s in stock trim.So do I. :nod:

The ZL1 has the no lift shift capability too so when this guy was shifting he didn't have to worry about lifting off the gas. I'm sure this helps out a lot. The auto has paddle shifters too right?

all manual transmission cars have that.

that is of course presuming that the loose nut behind the wheel knows how to shift.

The Shelby will outrun the Boss in the 1/4, no doubt about that but I don't see the purpose for the Boss if the Shelby smokes it on a road course other than a collector car. The Shelby will be carrying more weight also. I know more HP than the weight difference but still. And the ZL1 is being tested, the '13 Shelby is not.

the boss302 and the shelby are for two different markets, even though they're both for road racing.

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it or not yet, but I was shocked to see how bad the drivers of Road and Track SUCK. They ran a 12.9 with the ZL1 when comparing it to the nissan GTR. I was like wow dude's , stock SS's run that and we all know it so why is R&T trying to feed us bullshit...stooopid magazines

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it or not yet, but I was shocked to see how bad the drivers of Road and Track SUCK. They ran a 12.9 with the ZL1 when comparing it to the nissan GTR. I was like wow dude's , stock SS's run that and we all know it so why is R&T trying to feed us bullshit...stooopid magazines

only mag driver I respect is Evan Smith

My comment about the car being out is that it IS out being tested. The '13 Shelby isn't. There is a ZL1 that is driving around and being reviewed. There is no '13 Shelby driving around being reviewed yet.

the 013 shelby test mule was just sold on auction. does that qualify for "out"?

No stats like them testing it at the ring and not producing a time. That should tell a story there.

How often do high performance cars go there to test and not reveal times, especially with trigger happy Ford who loves to try and 1 up GM every chance it can get?

It has been posted a million times...
Ford did not rent out the track. You cannot readily compare times between a track with traffic, to a time achieved without.
Have you seen all of the equipemnt in the cars when the test up there? They are monitoring thousands of variables, and usung the data to come up with he best handling car. When have you seen Ford ever post a 'Ring time?

So do I. :nod:

If the 559 HP LSA CTS-V can do 11.80's on skinnier tires in a heavier car/worse suspension...it wouldn't surprise me whatsoever to see the ZL1 in the mid 11's bone stock. I've been saying this since the HP numbers were released...and everyone thought I was nuts.

I believe I placed a bet of sorts with Irunelevens that we'd see a bone stock 11.70 run within the first month of arrival to dealerships, or something to that effect months ago :D

I still say its gonna run mid to low 11's "STOCK" then 10's with tune,tires and a stall but i have been wrong before so....................;)

If the 559 HP LSA CTS-V can do 11.80's on skinnier tires in a heavier car/worse suspension...it wouldn't surprise me whatsoever to see the ZL1 in the mid 11's bone stock. I've been saying this since the HP numbers were released...and everyone thought I was nuts.

I believe I placed a bet of sorts with Irunelevens that we'd see a bone stock 11.70 run within the first month of arrival to dealerships, or something to that effect months ago :D

i thought the zl1 had the ctsv's suspension?

It has been posted a million times...
Ford did not rent out the track. You cannot readily compare times between a track with traffic, to a time achieved without.
Have you seen all of the equipemnt in the cars when the test up there? They are monitoring thousands of variables, and usung the data to come up with he best handling car. When have you seen Ford ever post a 'Ring time?

How often have you seen Ford testing at the ring?

How often did Chevy test at the ring until the c6 came out?

Im highly sceptical that since Ford has been 1uping GM at every chance since the 11' mustang with its "our v6 has 5 more hp" our v6 gets 1 more mpg, then our gt gets more mpg, our gt500 has more hp, our gt500 hits 200mph....yet Im not supposed to believe they dont have a time for that car around the ring? Please.

How often have you seen Ford testing at the ring?

How often did Chevy test at the ring until the c6 came out?

Im highly sceptical that since Ford has been 1uping GM at every chance since the 11' mustang with its "our v6 has 5 more hp" our v6 gets 1 more mpg, then our gt gets more mpg, our gt500 has more hp, our gt500 hits 200mph....yet Im not supposed to believe they dont have a time for that car around the ring? Please.:confused: It would seem the other way around to me..(IE) Camaro V-6 was first rated @ 304 -312 -and now 323 hp ..The Mustang has stayed constant @ 305. The GT500 had a increase due to improvements with the block etc. The Mustang GT had to increase to compete and
the 4.6 Liter was well overdue for a change. GM has had a LS1* LS6 *LS2*LS3* LS7 *LS9 .....While Ford has been 4.6L - 5.4L for quite awhile. The 5.o is a much needed change .

:confused: It would seem the other way around to me..(IE) Camaro V-6 was first rated @ 304 -312 -and now 323 hp ..The Mustang has stayed constant @ 305. The GT500 had a increase due to improvements with the block etc. The Mustang GT had to increase to compete and
the 4.6 Liter was well overdue for a change. GM has had a LS1* LS6 *LS2*LS3* LS7 *LS9 .....While Ford has been 4.6L - 5.4L for quite awhile. The 5.o is a much needed change .


Im not saying they didnt need the 5.0, Im just saying that every time Chevy released news about the camaro, Ford 1uped them within a week with what I said earlier. Just like when GM told Ford fans "youre welcome for the new gt500 because of the zl1 camaro". Ford was very quick to reply and say the gt500 wasnt made to compete with the zl1, but it self.

Just like the zl1 can hit 184mph....then ford comes out and says "oh yeah, well the gt500 can hit 200mph" Ford has no poker face, when they have 1uping news, they release it asap. Thats why I think it didnt beat the Camaro around the ring. Even if it was only 1 second, Ford would be touting it all over the place.

Im not saying they didnt need the 5.0, Im just saying that every time Chevy released news about the camaro, Ford 1uped them within a week with what I said earlier. Just like when GM told Ford fans "youre welcome for the new gt500 because of the zl1 camaro". Ford was very quick to reply and say the gt500 wasnt made to compete with the zl1, but it self.

Just like the zl1 can hit 184mph....then ford comes out and says "oh yeah, well the gt500 can hit 200mph" Ford has no poker face, when they have 1uping news, they release it asap. Thats why I think it didnt beat the Camaro around the ring. Even if it was only 1 second, Ford would be touting it all over the place.:burn: I'm inclined to think that the Boss 302 played a major role in the increase as well. The Challenger SRT 392 is 470 hp and the GT with 3.73:1 gears comes real close to GT500 performance. I don't doubt the ZL1 rumor played a hand.. BUT...It would have been easier for them to just add the larger TVS to the current GT500 . The 30 hp that the ZL1 has over it is not much for Ford to counter with the current model. Just My Opinion Though.

:burn: I'm inclined to think that the Boss 302 played a major role in the increase as well. The Challenger SRT 392 is 470 hp and the GT with 3.73:1 gears comes real close to GT500 performance. I don't doubt the ZL1 rumor played a hand.. BUT...It would have been easier for them to just add the larger TVS to the current GT500 . The 30 hp that the ZL1 has over it is not much for Ford to counter with the current model. Just My Opinion Though.

Im not doubting any of that, Im just saying Ford has a ring time for the gt500 and they are either not releasing it because it didnt meet expectations except for the 200mph part(my guess) or they are not releasing it because they are really waiting to 1up gm again, possibly with some sort of c7 counter news?

Im not doubting any of that, Im just saying Ford has a ring time for the gt500 and they are either not releasing it because it didnt meet expectations except for the 200mph part(my guess) or they are not releasing it because they are really waiting to 1up gm again, possibly with some sort of c7 counter news?

i've said that a few times already......concerning the ring times.

If the 559 HP LSA CTS-V can do 11.80's on skinnier tires in a heavier car/worse suspension...it wouldn't surprise me whatsoever to see the ZL1 in the mid 11's bone stock. I've been saying this since the HP numbers were released...and everyone thought I was nuts.

I believe I placed a bet of sorts with Irunelevens that we'd see a bone stock 11.70 run within the first month of arrival to dealerships, or something to that effect months ago :D

I agreed with you.

It isn't going to run mid 11s stock.

The auto should produce some good times. I think you will see a high 11.8 run. It will run roughly the same times as the 2011-2012 GT500 did stock.

I still say its gonna run mid to low 11's "STOCK" then 10's with tune,tires and a stall but i have been wrong before so....................;)

You are confusing what it's going to run with what it's going to run with a great driver and an awesome track with a negative DA. It's going to run low-high 12s with most people driving it, and I still don't see it hitting low 11s bone stock.

You are confusing what it's going to run with what it's going to run with a great driver and an awesome track with a negative DA. It's going to run low-high 12s with most people driving it, and I still don't see it hitting low 11s bone stock.

"it" being the zl, or the gt500? honestly, BOTH of those cars won't see their potential with the average person that's gonna buy them. hell, the gt's and v-8 camaros don't see their potentials with average drivers.

"it" being the zl, or the gt500? honestly, BOTH of those cars won't see their potential with the average person that's gonna buy them. hell, the gt's and v-8 camaros don't see their potentials with average drivers.

Which is why I don't use street races or what I personally see at the track to gauge how fast a car potentially is. Both these cars are eventually gonna be run in great conditions by fantastic drivers, so give it a year or so for people to get used to them, and we'll know for sure what they can do.

It's going to run low-high 12s with most people driving it, and I still don't see it hitting low 11s bone stock.I agree, the ZL1 will NOT run low 11s ('low 11s' meaning, an 11.33 or quicker) bone stock, neither will the 2012 (or probably not even the 2013) GT500 for that matter.

But an 11.7x out of a bone stock ZL1 is entirely conceivable and depending on the capabilities of it's launch control function and which tires it comes with, I wouldn't doubt that the 2013 GT500 might even be capable of a solid 11.5x (11.4x?) in bone stock trim either. Even with the weight gain (bigger brakes, heavier duty drive line parts (though likely a lighter drive shaft), a few more electronics etc.) that it will see over a 2012 GT500 it will probably still come in at under 3900 pounds so it's power to weight ratio will be quite favorable. :nod:

let's be honest though, how many people are going to keep either the ZL1 or the GT500 bone stock? I'd probably have exhaust, pulley, and a tune within the first 2 weeks of owning either of them lol :drive:

let's be honest though, how many people are going to keep either the ZL1 or the GT500 bone stock? I'd probably have exhaust, pulley, and a tune within the first 2 weeks of owning either of them lol :drive:

A Honda Civic can beat a Corvette if you drop enough money into it.

The only fair way to compare two cars is stock vs stock.

A Honda Civic can beat a Corvette if you drop enough money into it.

The only fair way to compare two cars is stock vs stock.

I could outrun a corvette on foot if i were strapped to a missile, that's not the point. It would take a significant amount of $$ for a civic to beat a ZL1 or GT500, which most people are not willing to spend.

My point is, the difference in performance between the ZL1 and GT500 is going to be negligible at best, and for relatively cheap either one should be able to gain the competitive edge over the other. I would honestly never buy either of them bc they're too heavy for my taste, but both are very respectable cars and if I did own one it wouldn't really matter to me if one was slightly faster in stock trim.

A Honda Civic can beat a Corvette if you drop enough money into it.

The only fair way to compare two cars is stock vs stock.

this.

and to be honest, you really can't trust the magazines, as they're gonna say good stuff about the car given to them by whomever gives it to them to test.

let's be honest though, how many people are going to keep either the ZL1 or the GT500 bone stock? I'd probably have exhaust, pulley, and a tune within the first 2 weeks of owning either of them lol :drive:

Probably a mast majority of them will keep them stock...like all of the corvette owners...(until they're 5-10 years old and people like us finally get our hands on them :devil:)

ZL1's will be rare enough, let alone modded ones.

You are confusing what it's going to run with what it's going to run with a great driver and an awesome track with a negative DA. It's going to run low-high 12s with most people driving it, and I still don't see it hitting low 11s bone stock.

Yeah i dont think that there ALL gonna run that time by any means but there are plenty of people that point out the "fastest" time for everything else even though its a one in a million kinda run but thats ok im cool with that.As far as a guy that can drive his car there shouold be no reason why they cant thump off some high 11's with ease and with a auto it should be even easier...imo

let's be honest though, how many people are going to keep either the ZL1 or the GT500 bone stock? I'd probably have exhaust, pulley, and a tune within the first 2 weeks of owning either of them lol :drive:Probably a mast majority of them will keep them stock...like all of the corvette owners...(until they're 5-10 years old and people like us finally get our hands on them :devil:):D

I'd kept my current Corvette purely bone stock just long enough to establish some solid baseline passes and ultimately set the bone stock LS2 1/4 mile record with it, then I started in with some light modding shortly after that. :burn:
I'd likely follow that same path with any future Corvette (or Camaro or Mustang) that I'd buy as well. :nod:

How many of you think that the reason Ford is holding out on the release of the 13 Shelby is because they are "in the shop" trying to find all those little last details that will make sure that it can out perform the ZL1.
I think both cars are amazing and perform better then any other car in the class on the market and both will be well into the 11s stock.

Anybody want to bet me that if the ZL1 runs 12.000 and the Shelby runs 11.999 all the clowns on SVT performance will say that the ZL1 is slow and the Shelby is much faster?:jest:

Mid to high 11's factory cars have been done before, so it's nothing ground-breaking. Yeah these are going to be the fastest camaros/mustangs produced to date and reasonably priced, which is cool that they're keeping that legendary rivalry alive, but I'm honestly more curious to see what the 2013 Viper has to offer.

Obviously we're talking about an entirely different price market, but I've always enjoyed the Vette vs Viper performance shootout more. I've heard rumors of a 700hp N/A Viper for '13 :eek:

How many of you think that the reason Ford is holding out on the release of the 13 Shelby is because they are "in the shop" trying to find all those little last details that will make sure that it can out perform the ZL1.
I think both cars are amazing and perform better then any other car in the class on the market and both will be well into the 11s stock.

Anybody want to bet me that if the ZL1 runs 12.000 and the Shelby runs 11.999 all the clowns on SVT performance will say that the ZL1 is slow and the Shelby is much faster?:jest:

I think the SVT Engineers are content with letting the Chevy Engineers do all the talking.

I think the SVT Engineers are content with letting the Chevy Engineers do all the talking.

this..........plus i think we're all in for a surprise when it comes out.

It would take a significant amount of $$ for a civic to beat a ZL1 or GT500, which most people are not willing to spend.

In the 1/4mi? You may be surprised. Civics are like Legos.

this..........plus i think we're all in for a surprise when it comes out.

I think that if the mustang isnt knocking on the door to 10's then i will be surprised for sure and yes i know the mustang will be faster and it should be by all means but how much faster do you guys think it should be for the extra power and lack of weight?

I think that if the mustang isnt knocking on the door to 10's then i will be surprised for sure and yes i know the mustang will be faster and it should be by all means but how much faster do you guys think it should be for the extra power and lack of weight?

while i'd like to think that ford nailed it with this car......and from having driven a 9/10 second car........they dam well better have that traction control on the money, and/or something else up their sleeves.

I think that if the mustang isnt knocking on the door to 10's then i will be surprised for sure and yes i know the mustang will be faster and it should be by all means but how much faster do you guys think it should be for the extra power and lack of weight?Going 10s on stock/street tires with RWD in what will probably be a 3900+ pound (closer to 4050-4125+ with driver) car is no easy task, maybe even impossible. Even with 650hp.
But mid to low 11s (11.4s, maybe even an 11.2x), I think it's possible. :nod:

My predictions for either (bone stock) car in private (and/or Evan Smith's) hands:

ZL1 = 11.7s at over 121mph
2013 GT500 = 11.3s at over 124mph

Give or take a few. ;)

Going 10s on stock/street tires with RWD in what will probably be a 3900+ pound (closer to 4050-4125+ with driver) car is no easy task, maybe even impossible. Even with 650hp.
But mid to low 11s (11.4s, maybe even an 11.2x), I think it's possible. :nod:

My predictions for either (bone stock) car in private (and/or Evan Smith's) hands:

ZL1 = 11.7s at over 121mph
2013 GT500 = 11.3s at over 124mph

Give or take a few. ;)

That's about what I have been saying from the beginning. I'm sure there will be allot of them running much slower but I think that's what the real racers will be running.
The thing that get's me is some of the SVT fools that will be saying that the Shelby is so much better and so much faster when it runs a few tenths quicker.
I think the ZL1 has an advantage on the street though and that's that is available with an automatic and on the street they should have a big advantage over the Shelby. I can remember back in the late 80s my Grand National only ran low 12s but I outran allot of supercharged and nitroused Mustangs that were much faster. My friend had an LX Mustang that would go 11.70s at the track but I could outrun him 7 out of 10 times on the street.

I think I'd like to see each of these cars on a real track, live and in person. Sadly, neither is truly available for an owner to go show off. Seems to me, the ZL1 will shine with the automatic and can do the same with a stellar driver using the manual. For now, I'd be happy enough to see a heads up 2012 matchup in real conditions, possibly with each OWNER switching driver seats for a better true comparison.

I think the ZL1 has an advantage on the street though and that's that is available with an automatic and on the street they should have a big advantage over the Shelby.I think I'd like to see each of these cars on a real track, live and in person. Sadly, neither is truly available for an owner to go show off. Seems to me, the ZL1 will shine with the automatic and can do the same with a stellar driver using the manual. For now, I'd be happy enough to see a heads up 2012 matchup in real conditions, possibly with each OWNER switching driver seats for a better true comparison.:nod:

For now, I'd be happy enough to see a heads up 2012 matchup in real conditions, possibly with each OWNER switching driver seats for a better true comparison.

The driver would sandbag when driving the other person's car so their car seemed faster :jest:

I think that if the mustang isnt knocking on the door to 10's then i will be surprised for sure and yes i know the mustang will be faster and it should be by all means but how much faster do you guys think it should be for the extra power and lack of weight?

not much on stock tires.

I think the fastest you see on stock tires is a 11.6 @ ~127-128.

not much on stock tires.

I think the fastest you see on stock tires is a 11.6 @ ~127-128.I don't think it will trap quite that high in stock trim, at least not on stock/street tires.
The power (if the car really will come with 650hp that is) is certainly there for those kind of trap speeds but it's curb weight might be a factor, plus a loss of traction can cause a steady loss of forward momentum as well which will ultimately hinder it's ability reach a great trap speed before it hits 1320 feet.
Launch control/traction control might help some, but the power reduction and/or brake applications that normally accompany such systems can also prevent a maximum effort pass as well.
On a drag radial or slick in great air though those traps might be possible. :nod:

With the car's weight, and it's ability to eclipse 200mph, it should trap purty close to that with traction.

With the car's weight, and it's ability to eclipse 200mph, it should trap purty close to that with traction.Agreed, though we don't actually know what the exact weight will be just yet either.
I assume that it will weigh at least a little more than the current GT500 as there are heavier duty supporting drive line pieces going into the new car that the current one doesn't have.
And of course there are probably some weight saving measures being taken to counter that as well. The car is going to be serious. :nod:
As I'd mentioned above, 127/128mph trap speeds probably aren't going to happen on factory/stock tires, but if the car meets it's projected (650hp) target then the car should certainly have enough power to trap that high (or higher?) on a drag radial or slick. :drive:

Going 10s on stock/street tires with RWD in what will probably be a 3900+ pound (closer to 4050-4125+ with driver) car is no easy task, maybe even impossible. Even with 650hp.
But mid to low 11s (11.4s, maybe even an 11.2x), I think it's possible. :nod:

My predictions for either (bone stock) car in private (and/or Evan Smith's) hands:

ZL1 = 11.7s at over 121mph
2013 GT500 = 11.3s at over 124mph

Give or take a few. ;)

There are multiple (unofficial/unconfiormed) reports of the 2013 going 11.6-11.7 in the quarter on stock rubber. With good air, and a bigs and little combo, it will go 10s.

10's could happen........

http://jalopnik.com/217147/first-in-the-9s-pennsylvania-speed-shop-claims-sub+ten-second-gt500-run

I think Zl1 and 13 Shelby will be a closer race then most think... Many over on svt performance are thinking the Shelby is gonna out run the Z06 and Im having a hard time believing that atm.

There are multiple (unofficial/unconfiormed) reports of the 2013 going 11.6-11.7 in the quarter on stock rubber. With good air, and a bigs and little combo, it will go 10s.I think that's a given. After all, we've been told many times the current GT500 has seen at least 11.20's with only added rubber. 100 more hp and 2 tenths quicker will be easy. Even with another 100 lb added to the nose(which I just can't see).

Also, I believe the ZL1 will be a great runner against the current GT500, but when considering only the 1/4 mile, it's gonna have major problems with the 2013 version. I believe the ZL1 should be close to 10's with slicks too, but it's gonna be all but impossible to trump that hp and weight difference, best for best ET's. Of course, unless Ford options in an automatic, their "best" will likely never be seen. On the other hand, they claim to have an excellent launching program in this new car. We shall see about that. :burn: