General LSX Automobile Discussion - What Does GM do to Overcome the GT500?




LTX
02-14-2012, 10:36 PM
http://youtu.be/FygVmlmhrO4


How does fifty-five grand for 580 horsepower sound? Probably not as good as the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 at full scream.

General Motors has come clean with pricing and performance details for the most powerful Camaro ever, and as expected, it's something of a bargain. An official MSRP of $54,995 includes a $900 delivery charge, and that pile of cash buys a 6.2-liter, supercharged and intercooled LSA V8 that's good for 556 lb-ft of torque. The ZL1 will also pack standard Performance Traction Management, a suite of electronic suspension and steering enhancements including magnetic ride control, launch control, traction control, stability control and electric power steering. Chevrolet is also touting the Camaro's track-readiness, thanks to standard rear differential cooler, engine and transmission oil coolers, and brake-cooling ducts.

Chevy's official performance specs for the Camaro ZL1 favor the automatic, which can do 0-60 in 3.9 seconds and cover the quarter-mile in 12.0 seconds at 119 miles per hour. The manual is a tenth of a second slower in both exercises. Know too, that Chevy's stopwatches time from a rolling start. Top speed for the manual is 180 mph and the automatic is four miles per hour faster. Both cars can pull 1.0 g on the skidpad, according to the automaker.

There are only six options on the ZL1, starting with the choice of transmission. An extra $1,185 will get you a six-speed automatic with manual shift mode. Adding bright aluminum wheels will set you back $470, as will stripes. A sunroof is priced at $900, while the carbon fiber hood insert is $600. Finally, a suede package for the steering wheel and shifter is $500. Leather interior is standard, along with heated power seats, and a nine-speaker audio system with USB port and Bluetooth.


http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-zl1-sports-car/



http://youtu.be/sjCJdcz_Cx8



Let's get right to the numbers, shall we: 650, 600, and 200. The 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 produces 650 hp and 600 lb-ft of torque from its supercharged 5.8-liter V-8, and can reportedly top out at more than 200 mph. With the GT500, Ford has put the Bow Tie boys on notice -- the Blue Oval is gunning for the 580-hp Camaro ZL1.
While the super Shelby with its outrageous power output is the marquee Mustang attraction, the rest of the 2013 Ford Mustang lineup has been updated as well. The headlines? New hoods, grilles, headlights, more track-related goodies, an available select-shift automatic, and 420 hp from the GT's 5.0-liter V-8.
For the GT500, Ford's SVT performance engineers went big. Real big. To start, the GT500's 5.4-liter all-aluminum V-8 was bored out to displace 5.8 liters; the block and heads were cross-drilled; and the camshaft profiles updated, among other changes. Next, SVT bolted on a new Eaton TVS Series 2300 supercharger (the same supercharger GM uses on its LS9 engine) to the 5.8-liter mill. Add in a larger cooling fan, a higher-flowing intercooler pump, and a larger intercooler heat exchanger, and you get the GT500's 650 hp and 600 lb-ft of torque, and a top speed north of 200 mph.


Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1111_2013_ford_shelby_gt500_and_2013_mustang_lineu p/viewall.html#ixzz1mQDjLLO5


JohnS Z28
02-14-2012, 11:40 PM
corvette zr1?

cranny
02-15-2012, 01:20 AM
GM should take the LS7, put a supercharger on it, better cam, factory long tubes and stick it in the Camaro. Done.


02WS6SSZ71
02-15-2012, 02:08 AM
What's the Shelby cost? The Camaro needs to shed about 500 lbs...problem solved

NVUSZ28
02-15-2012, 03:15 AM
I'll shed 500 lbs, and change a pushrod cam, over a DOHC blue oval, all day long.

firebird99
02-15-2012, 03:34 AM
I don't know that u could say we were beaten when you think about the fact that the mustang will be limited to only 155 mph unless you buy the track pack.The camaro may have less power but everything else comes standard for around 55,000 and I don't think ford will be able to beat that even with the base model gt500. Another funny thing is there 200 mph top speed claim and there mid 11 second quarter mile times but what they don't tell you is that its actually two different packs not one in the same so they make you choose between which bragging rights you wanna have. Now I'm in no way knocking the ability to have a choice but ford nuts wingers need to be reminded of this when they start throwing specs in our face plus once you add the track packs it will cost more be a model year newer plus the extra 200-300 pounds the camaro has to lug around and it's still that close not really alot for ford to brag about....IMO

ULTIMATEORANGESS
02-15-2012, 06:19 AM
we'll have to see if gm improves a zl1.

01 CamaroSS SLP
02-15-2012, 08:36 AM
GM should take the LS7, put a supercharger on it, better cam, factory long tubes and stick it in the Camaro. Done.

The ls7 doesnt handle boost as well as the ls9.

speedtigger
02-15-2012, 08:47 AM
Looks like Ford won this round handily. But, there is always next year for GM.

JHL88
02-15-2012, 08:57 AM
itll be interesting for sure. im glad gm did offer both trannies for the zl1 though, and apprently its "track ready" right off the showroom floor. don't know if the baseline gt500 will be. im not going to make any claims until they both come out and go head to head

LTX
02-15-2012, 09:16 AM
I'll shed 500 lbs, and change a pushrod cam, over a DOHC blue oval, all day long.


changing the pushrod for a overheadcam? LMFAO fail

JMBLOWNWS6
02-15-2012, 09:21 AM
I was thinking about buying one or a corvette. Now that Ford did this Im going to wait and see what GM comes up with.

Camaro_94
02-15-2012, 10:17 AM
Ls9!!

mjs1012
02-15-2012, 11:29 AM
that ford retard needs to learn how to talk. We got uhh this and uhhh that uhhhhh

MidnightMafia
02-15-2012, 11:32 AM
I hear a Z28 badged Camaro is still in the works...

Anyone else hear anything about this?

1999BlueTA
02-15-2012, 11:51 AM
Imo the mustang has just overcome the camaro again in the for of 5.0, while gm is building some of the best vette's ever, imo the 5th gen camaro's suck all they are is a revamped cts which are great luxury cars but the camaro is suppose to be a sports/muscle car but fall quite short imo so WTF GM, ill pass vette or 5.0 FTW!!!

SOMbitch
02-15-2012, 06:15 PM
GM should take the LS7, put a supercharger on it, better cam, factory long tubes and stick it in the Camaro. Done.

The ls7 doesnt handle boost as well as the ls9.

Correct the sleeves are thin and prone to cracking. That is why the LS9 was dropped back to 6.2 liters.......

CamaroSS27
02-15-2012, 08:29 PM
I hear a Z28 badged Camaro is still in the works...

Anyone else hear anything about this?

where are we hearing this?

firebird99
02-15-2012, 08:36 PM
Looks like Ford won this round handily. But, there is always next year for GM.

If the gt500 ends up costing more for the base model which it will because there's no way it will cost the same as the last model with all the upgrades then you have to spend even more for the track packs then that's not to big of a victory to me.

Double J
02-15-2012, 09:30 PM
Say what u want both the zl1 n the gt500 are literally light years ahead of their predecesors n speed n overall performance!

LTX
02-15-2012, 10:55 PM
I hear a Z28 badged Camaro is still in the works...

Anyone else hear anything about this?


The ZL1 is supposed to be the top of the line model for camaros. if there was a Z28 coming out faster and better then the ZL1, i dont know why they would just call the Now ZL1 the Z28 with the LSA engine and the ZL1(top of the line model) have an LS9 with a more aggressive cam so it makes about 650-670hp

why87
02-16-2012, 12:05 AM
Looks like Ford won this round handily. But, there is always next year for GM.

Theoretically yes; technically no. The GT500 with 650hp is marketed as a 2013. The ZL1 is a 2012.

The ZL1 is supposed to be the top of the line model for camaros. if there was a Z28 coming out faster and better then the ZL1, i dont know why they would just call the Now ZL1 the Z28 with the LSA engine and the ZL1(top of the line model) have an LS9 with a more aggressive cam so it makes about 650-670hp

If we do see a Z28, think Boss Mustang.

02WS6SSZ71
02-16-2012, 02:01 AM
As mentioned above, GM's limitation is the fact that the Camaro's power cannot exceed that of the Vette. So topping 638hp isn't going to happen. I know the horsepower numbers sell, but it would be nice to see them make a track version loaded up with carbon fiber goodies, remove most air bags, dumb down the interior and kick some ass with a lightweight (relative to the other current pony cars) car.

MidnightMafia
02-16-2012, 02:07 AM
Z28 = Yenko Special Edition, GM could pay respects to the man and have a Boss 302 killer :)

Just a thought...

firebird99
02-16-2012, 02:16 AM
Say what u want both the zl1 n the gt500 are literally light years ahead of their predecesors n speed n overall performance!Yeah but we like to argue over which one has the extra light above the other for the price.....:nod:

As mentioned above, GM's limitation is the fact that the Camaro's power cannot exceed that of the Vette. So topping 638hp isn't going to happen. I know the horsepower numbers sell, but it would be nice to see them make a track version loaded up with carbon fiber goodies, remove most air bags, dumb down the interior and kick some ass with a lightweight (relative to the other current pony cars) car.
Yeah the whole vette limit kinds sucks but atleast GM has to cars to choose from as where ford only has 1 and we all know that one is the loneliest number.:jest:

Z28 = Yenko Special Edition, GM could pay respects to the man and have a Boss 302 killer :)

Just a thought... Im totally cool with that something for the camaro guy that wants for then the SS can offer yet cant afford the zl1 thats where most of us would love to be given the average man income.:cool:

mebuildit
02-16-2012, 12:29 PM
I have to admit that I think that the Mustang does look a lot better than the Camaro. The only thing that kept me from buying one was the price. So I wound up buying an '06 GTO because I like the simplistic engine design and it's cheaper and easier to modify.

HioSSilver
02-16-2012, 12:55 PM
Looks like Ford won this round handily. But, there is always next year for GM.

Hell this year aint over yet. Everyone has been compareing the "13" GT500 to the 12 ZL1. How bout compareing the 12 to the 12?