Automotive News, Media & Press - Chevy to prevail the Muscle Car War with the Z28?

Supposedly the Z28 is in the works not sure heres a link of some talk of the rumors. Put your input on this.

http://jalopnik.com/2013-chevy-camaro-z28/

I personally think GM should make the Z28 more of a pro touring type car. All carbon fiber like the ZR1 and put a high revving LS9 or a lightweight high rpm LSX engine. Better suspension, carbon ceramic brakes ect....

GM needs to put the camaro on a diet!

GM needs to put the camaro on a diet!


agreed. thats basically free mods to run faster.

since Don Yenko passed in 1987 they should maybe make a special version for remembrance and kill the GT500 with that. i dont know why everyone is either going big cubes or slapping on superchargers. what happend to the guys with guts back in the day that made the decision to make a high revving car like the 302...just my .02

Would be SO SICK, if they put a high revving 5.3 in this car.

I really really hope they go original on this one, I'd buy one of these over a ZL-1 if they did it right.

since Don Yenko passed in 1987 they should maybe make a special version for remembrance and kill the GT500 with that.I think you mean "kill the Boss 302"?
The Camaro ZL1 is the obvious rival for the GT500, not the lower powered naturally aspirated Camaro models.

Camaro V6 versus Mustang V6
Camaro SS versus Mustang GT
Camaro Z28 versus Mustang Boss 302
Camaro ZL1 versus Mustang GT500

It would just make much more sense that way. :D

I really really hope they go original on this one, I'd buy one of these over a ZL-1 if they did it right.:werd: I agree. :nod:

GM NEEDS to wait til the alpha platform 6th gen to make the Z28. Less weight, they can use a high revving DI engine and magnetic suspension.

+1 on the Yenko special edition, lighter, sleeker, faster

i agree with djsanchez, didnt they already try out the alpha platform on a caddy, and it ended up being around 3400lbs? Id love to see a lightweight z28 go up against the current Boss 302

^^^ ding ding ding!! Im am sure a Z28 camaro 6th gen with no real luxuries, CF parts to cut weight and lightweight forged wheels it could run 3250-3300lbs with a V8 and 6spd manual :D

didnt they already try out the alpha platform on a caddy, and it ended up being around 3400lbs?Yes, the new Cadillac ATS is built on that platform and is just under 3400 pounds.
A Camaro V8 version built on that platform might come out slightly heavier (or maybe lighter if it has less luxurious content than the Cadillac) though.
For now though we can't count on that happening any time in the immediate future so I'd at least like to see a lighter version of the current SS. Perhaps with a high output/high revving 6.2L Direct Injection LS3 or similar to be called 'Z28' and sent out to do battle with the Boss 302. :nod:

adding another capable performer to an already successful platform would be welcome. i hope it happens.

Wow if they can get the weight down to ~3400lbs good bye mustangs.

Wow if they can get the weight down to ~3400lbs good bye mustangs.

Yup :)

Yes, the new Cadillac ATS is built on that platform and is just under 3400 pounds.
A Camaro V8 version built on that platform might come out slightly heavier (or maybe lighter if it has less luxurious content than the Cadillac) though.
For now though we can't count on that happening any time in the immediate future so I'd at least like to see a lighter version of the current SS. Perhaps with a high output/high revving 6.2L Direct Injection LS3 or similar to be called 'Z28' and sent out to do battle with the Boss 302. :nod:

I think a lot of GM people are being a little unreaslitic of the weight. I am sure the 3400lb ATS is the lightest model. ie 2.5l 4 cyl car. I promise you that a V8 with the requisite beefed up drivetrain parts, cooling systems, etc, will boost the weight by several hundread pounds, putting it inline with where the mustang is now (which will also reportedly get lighter and smaller for the next gen car).

Also, they are not going to surpass the performance of the Zl1. It will be slottted to compete with the Boss. Adding the items the OP mentioned (ls9, carbon brakes) would amke for a 80k camaro. Not going to happen..

Z28 wish list:
- Alpha platform
- LS7 or to-be-released 5.5L/6.2L DI V8
- Magnetic Ride suspension
- make power windows/doors/seats & A/C OPTIONAL
- forged wheels (preferably smaller than 20")
- as many/much lightweight components as possible without pricing the car over $50K

Go.

Wow if they can get the weight down to ~3400lbs good bye mustangs.

^^^ this ^^^

I think you mean "kill the Boss 302"?
The Camaro ZL1 is the obvious rival for the GT500, not the lower powered naturally aspirated Camaro models.

Camaro V6 versus Mustang V6
Camaro SS versus Mustang GT
Camaro Z28 versus Mustang Boss 302
Camaro ZL1 versus Mustang GT500

It would just make much more sense that way. :D :D Totally correct and it would be the way it should and has been . On another note being that the Boss 302 was a '69/'70 model year option . I think it
would be great if Ford stroked the Coyote and made a Boss 351 for 2014 before the redesign. Just a pipe dream of a Ford fan though..........

On another note being that the Boss 302 was a '69/'70 model year option . I think it would be great if Ford stroked the Coyote and made a Boss 351 for 2014 before the redesign. Just a pipe dream of a Ford fan though..........Yeah that larger '71 Boss 351 was also a pretty cool car, but I think the true legacy, glory and glamor of the Boss still lies within the '69/'70 cars and that's the 'flavor' or feel that the new/current one is going after I think. :nod:

since Don Yenko passed in 1987 they should maybe make a special version for remembrance and kill the GT500 with that. i dont know why everyone is either going big cubes or slapping on superchargers. what happend to the guys with guts back in the day that made the decision to make a high revving car like the 302...just my .02

wouldn't a yenko be more appropriate to put up against a tasca ford of some sort? or a holman/moody ford?

Wow if they can get the weight down to ~3400lbs good bye mustangs.

yea, 'cause ford would never do anythign to counter that, now would they? :engarde:

Yeah that larger '71 Boss 351 was also a pretty cool car, but I think the true legacy, glory and glamor of the Boss still lies within the '69/'70 cars and that's the 'flavor' or feel that the new/current one is going after I think. :nod::chug: The '71-'73 was more of a boulevard brawler and i would still welcome it . These are the Good Times for automotive enthusiast !!!
:D

Dear GM,

Please take the LSA out of the ZL1, drop in a hot cam LS3 making around 480 crank hp, get the curb weight down to around 3700lbs., offer it only in a 6 speed manual with 3.45, 3.90, and 4.33 final drive options to make up for the 28.5" stock tire height and call it the Z28. And offer a Recaro seat option like the Boss please. Do this and I will highly consider trading in or selling my 4th gen Z28 to buy one.

Thank you.

I think it would be stupid to release a Z28 as a 5th gen with the 6th gen just around the corner. The ZL1 should have been the brute, and got the LS9. The Z28 was more focused on handling. I think they should lose some more weight, and drop in the LS7. People that are more focused on corners prefer N/A engines over boosted ones because they are more predictable. A nice bare bones, LS7 powered Z28 (with mag susp obviously) would rock the BOSS 302's world.


The Alpha Platform the ATS rides on is light, and with the ATS being "supposedly" under 3400lbs, and the 6th gen will share the same platform. Drop even more weight with a badass N/A engine in the 6th gen and it would be perfect. Ford has 3 main level V8 Mustangs, this would give a Camaro alternative for the GT, BOSS and GT500.

I think it would be stupid to release a Z28 as a 5th gen with the 6th gen just around the corner.

Last I heard the 6th gen release was pushed back to the 2016 model year. I would not consider that just around the corner.

GM could care less of what car enthusiasts want. They will continue to build what sells. End of story.

:D Totally correct and it would be the way it should and has been . On another note being that the Boss 302 was a '69/'70 model year option . I think it
would be great if Ford stroked the Coyote and made a Boss 351 for 2014 before the redesign. Just a pipe dream of a Ford fan though..........

I don't think the Coyote can be pushed to 351 cubic inches in current form. Could be wrong though.

GM could care less of what car enthusiasts want. They will continue to build what sells. End of story.

this is somewhat true but not entirely.



coming out with a zl1 shows me they want to at least try to compete with ford to an extent. how far theyre willing to go i dont know.

GM could care less of what car enthusiasts want. They will continue to build what sells. End of story.Well, couldn't one say that about any (all?) car manufacturer?
I mean, not too many of them actually build cars that they hope don't sell well (relatively speaking/based on their projected production numbers etc.).

If GM really didn't care about enthusiasts at all then the Corvette probably would've been killed off back in the late C5 era (2003/2004) and we wouldn't have an SS or ZL1 when the V6 could've been plenty profitable all on it's own. Yes, they're also used as 'flagship' or 'banner' cars to increase showroom traffic and of course they'll only build the Corvette or Camaro if the cars can also sell, but that's called 'good business'.

Porsche does it. Ferrari does it. Even Bugatti wouldn't build the Veyron if it wouldn't sell.







I don't think the Coyote can be pushed to 351 cubic inches in current form.I agree. :nod:
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GM could care less of what car enthusiasts want. They will continue to build what sells. End of story.

When you say enthusiast I assume you mean the performance enthusiast, because not all automotive enthusiasts care about 1/4mi, 0-60-0 times, lateral g's, etc. Trying to build a car for the performance enthusiasts is nearly impossible. Everyone wants something different. To cater to the performance enthusiast it's more important to have the support of a solid aftermarket IMO. GM and Ford have done a fantastic job with this. Even if GM built a 3400lb. Camaro with an LS7 under the hood the performance crowd would still find something to bitch about. Probably the price! Trying to please the performance enthusiast is like chasing a bunch of chickens around the yard and trying to catch them all at once. Not going to happen. IMO the best indicator of a well balanced vehicle is sales. That said I do think the 5th gen Camaro could decrease it's dimensions, lose some weight, and not negatively impact sales.

I don't think the Coyote can be pushed to 351 cubic inches in current form. Could be wrong though. Not really sure if that is the case......The same was said about the 5.4 L and the 4.6 L and they both have been stroked and poked . I would hope they didn't limit it being a new design and all.

Not really sure if that is the case......The same was said about the 5.4 L and the 4.6 L and they both have been stroked and poked . I would hope they didn't limit it being a new design and all.

Actually I see a company offering a 351 kit. you have to sleeve the block.

Concerning the drivetrain for a possible Z/28 .....Didn't i read somewhere that the LS7 was being phased out ? There hasn't been a power increase since it's inception and the Corvette is up to be the recipient for a new small block in it's next gen , correct ?? I'm thinking the LS3 has potential for higher output like Ford did with the Boss 302's 5.o liter engine.

Actually I see a company offering a 351 kit. you have to sleeve the block. I saw that a while back ..but i'm thinking they will use the same process as used on the current GT500 block and the '13's
bore increase. Spray Bore i think it's called .

I saw that a while back ..but i'm thinking they will use the same process as used on the current GT500 block and the '13's
bore increase. Spray Bore i think it's called .

The process in question is called plasma-transferred wire arc (PTWA). It basically involves blowing a fine mist of molten steel at high speed onto a rough surface and then honing that surface into a perfect cylinder bore. It's something that Matthew Zaluzec, Ford's manager of materials and nanotechnology, has been working on since 1991. As the concept was being refined, Ford brought in partners

http://jalopnik.com/5467038/the-ford-engine-technology-good-enough-for-the-nissan-gt+r

Dear GM,

Please take the LSA out of the ZL1, drop in a hot cam LS3 making around 480 crank hp, get the curb weight down to around 3700lbs., offer it only in a 6 speed manual with 3.45, 3.90, and 4.33 final drive options to make up for the 28.5" stock tire height and call it the Z28. And offer a Recaro seat option like the Boss please. Do this and I will highly consider trading in or selling my 4th gen Z28 to buy one.

Thank you.

i hope you realize the Z28 was not a drag race car. it was a purpose built homologated road racer.


what may happen if the corvette comes out soon'ish, they may take the engine tech from that plus suspension goodies and make it a Z28. it just makes sense.

Nice, would be awesome if they put the old school "Z/28" badges on it and all that. This would be a great trim option for Chevrolet to put out if they want something to compete head to head against the Boss. I mean, they already have the ZL1 and SS for the base 5.0 and GT500, so it's only right that they put this out there, I think it would be pretty sweet.

i hope you realize the Z28 was not a drag race car. it was a purpose built homologated road racer.

What part of my post makes you think I'm pushing for a drag race car?

i hope you realize the Z28 was not a drag race car. it was a purpose built homologated road racer.True. :nod: There were a few who did actually drag race them as well but that was usually left to the SS396 and COPO/Yenko 427 cars.
The Boss 302 was developed to do battle with the Z28 in the SCCA Trans Am road racing series and I suppose one could say that the Boss 429 came out do battle with the big block GM and Mopar Hemi cars on the drag strip...and also to help Ford homologate the 429 Hemi for NASCAR use as well I believe.

True. :nod: There were a few who did actually drag race them as well but that was usually left to the SS396 and COPO/Yenko 427 cars.
The Boss 302 was developed to do battle with the Z28 in the SCCA Trans Am road racing series and I suppose one could say that the Boss 429 came out do battle with the big block GM and Mopar Hemi cars on the drag strip...and also to help Ford homologate the 429 Hemi for NASCAR use as well I believe.
i thought the 429 was never used in NASCAR? or was that the cammer?

i thought the 429 was never used in NASCAR? or was that the cammer?

the boss429 was a nascar engine.....it had a drag pack too. it sucked on the street though. pretty much the same as the boss302's. they sucked on the street, but kicked ass on the trans am circuits.

the 427SOHC was the one that never ran nascar. it's a shame too. i think it would've been above 200mph before chrysler did it.

True. :nod:

I know this, but I fail to see how asking for a ZL1 suspension and body package with the addition of a hot cam LS3 and a few gear options makes it a drag car and not a road racer. :confused:

the boss429 was a nascar engine.....

the 427SOHC was the one that never ran nascar. it's a shame too. i think it would've been above 200mph before chrysler did it.True, I think they were both initially developed for NASCAR use but I believe that 'rule changes' ultimately outlawed both of them.






it sucked on the street though. pretty much the same as the boss302's. they sucked on the street, but kicked ass on the trans am circuits.From what I understand the 1970 Boss 302 was less radical (cam?) and far more streetable than the 1969 car.

I know this, but I fail to see how asking for a ZL1 suspension and body package with the addition of a hot cam LS3 and a few gear options makes it a drag car and not a road racer. :confused:Good point. :nod: :burn:

True, I think they were both initially developed for NASCAR use but I believe that 'rule changes' ultimately outlawed both of them.






From what I understand the 1970 Boss 302 was less radical (cam?) and far more streetable than the 1969 car.

biggest difference between the 69 and 70 was the intake valves. the 69 had 2.25" intake valves, the 70 had 2.19" intakes.
what was happening, was that they actually breathed TOO well for the street,,,,rare for a ford small block.

i had read somewhere that the cammer was outlawed, because nascar was afraid of the timing chain letting loose, and hand grenading the engine. i personally think that both gm and chrysler lobbied them to outlaw it, because they knew it would be untouchable.

i've actually got a disassembled 1970 boss302 engine out in my garage. not stock though. i've still got the baby c-6 to go with it. almost tucked that into my futura, but i wanted something streetable.

Your all WRONG!!! It should be offered as a v8 version below the SS same motor but ''NO'' fancy options cloth seats,manual everything and light as could be.Let the SS owners have all the luxury stuff and let the zl1 guys have the big payment let us car guys have a fast,loud,fun to drive,mustang whopping,26mpg,pushrod having badass camaro...Please:chug:

Your all WRONG!!! It should be offered as a v8 version below the SS same motor but ''NO'' fancy options cloth seats,manual everything and light as could be.Let the SS owners have all the luxury stuff and let the zl1 guys have the big payment let us car guys have a fast,loud,fun to drive,mustang whopping,26mpg,pushrod having badass camaro...Please:chug:

So you want the z28 to be the exact same as the SS but less comfortable?? Id rather it be a less horsepower engine, much less weight, and much better handling, than the current SS.

The current Boss 302 has a reputation of beating beamers and other imports at the track. Id love to see a z28 share that fame.

The process in question is called plasma-transferred wire arc (PTWA). It basically involves blowing a fine mist of molten steel at high speed onto a rough surface and then honing that surface into a perfect cylinder bore. It's something that Matthew Zaluzec, Ford's manager of materials and nanotechnology, has been working on since 1991. As the concept was being refined, Ford brought in partners

http://jalopnik.com/5467038/the-ford-engine-technology-good-enough-for-the-nissan-gt+r:nod:Yes sir that was what i was thinking of . Thank You.

The current Boss 302 has a reputation of beating beamers and other imports at the track. Id love to see a z28 share that fame.Me too. :drive:

i agree with djsanchez, didnt they already try out the alpha platform on a caddy, and it ended up being around 3400lbs? Id love to see a lightweight z28 go up against the current Boss 302

don't forget that was a 2.5L I4 weighing that much. a rwd 3.6 V6 was supposedly close to 3600lbs.

Your all WRONG!!! It should be offered as a v8 version below the SS same motor but ''NO'' fancy options cloth seats,manual everything and light as could be.Let the SS owners have all the luxury stuff and let the zl1 guys have the big payment let us car guys have a fast,loud,fun to drive,mustang whopping,26mpg,pushrod having badass camaro...Please:chug:

umm.. no..

SS is the base v8
Z28 was the limited edition racer

don't forget that was a 2.5L I4 weighing that much. a rwd 3.6 V6 was supposedly close to 3600lbs.That much?!
I agree that it was likely the base model 4 cylinder that weighed in at just under 3400 pounds...but I can't imagine the turbo 4 or even the V6 (even with the added bracing/strengthening that comes with it) adding that much more weight.
But maybe so.




SS is the base v8
Z28 was the limited edition racerWell, yes and no.
Back in the 1st gen era, one could get a base V8 (a 283 and later a 307 I believe?) in any base Camaro, the SSs usually came only with the 'hotter' V8s (327, later on the 350, 396s etc.) and the more handling oriented Z28 was a 302 with a manual trans only.
Of course through the later COPO programs you could get almost any big block in even the most base Camaro as well, not just the SS.
But that was then, this is now. :D

Current Camaro body is TOO HEAVY, Ford changes the Mustang body every few years (Hell even Chrysler changed the Charger / 300 SRT8 bodies) so maybe Chevy should think about doing the same next year if not 2014...

If they offered the Z28 as an AWD option like some of those new chargers, OMG Chevy could have a winner on their hands, GM DOES have engineers it can be done, look at the AWD Taurus SHO (a V6 Taurus that moves, who saw that coming) just sayin people would pay for an AWD Camaro and would be something new for Chevy

So you want the z28 to be the exact same as the SS but less comfortable?? Id rather it be a less horsepower engine, much less weight, and much better handling, than the current SS.

The current Boss 302 has a reputation of beating beamers and other imports at the track. Id love to see a z28 share that fame.

the current boss302 also is no less comfortable than a gt....and i know my gt is VERY comfortable.

:nod:Yes sir that was what i was thinking of . Thank You.

no problem. i had only heard of that a month or so ago. to be honest, i was kind of shocked that nissan used that ford developed technology to build the gtr's engine.

So you want the z28 to be the exact same as the SS but less comfortable?? Id rather it be a less horsepower engine, much less weight, and much better handling, than the current SS.

The current Boss 302 has a reputation of beating beamers and other imports at the track. Id love to see a z28 share that fame.

hey....the camaro won a couple of road races last year. it was the ones where crashes or break downs took out the top competitors, but they won a couple.

wait....i was wrong....one of those two was won when the race ended under caution.....before that caution the camaro was being run down, and wouldve been passed within 2 laps.

That much?!
I agree that it was likely the base model 4 cylinder that weighed in at just under 3400 pounds...but I can't imagine the turbo 4 or even the V6 (even with the added bracing/strengthening that comes with it) adding that much more weight.
But maybe so.


can't forget the options that go in with the 3.6 powered cars (aka top of the line loaded model).

Current Camaro body is TOO HEAVYAgreed.



If they offered the Z28 as an AWD option like some of those new chargers, OMG Chevy could have a winner on their handsAnd that would help make this 'already too heavy' car lighter somehow?:huh: LOL ;)
I hear what you're saying and AWD does have it's place in the world but I just don't think it's the 'correct answer' for this particular car.
Simply put, the current Camaro line needs to lose weight.

I saw that a while back ..but i'm thinking they will use the same process as used on the current GT500 block and the '13's
bore increase. Spray Bore i think it's called .

I doubt they are using the plasma arc tech.

hey....the camaro won a couple of road races last year. it was the ones where crashes or break downs took out the top competitors, but they won a couple.

wait....i was wrong....one of those two was won when the race ended under caution.....before that caution the camaro was being run down, and wouldve been passed within 2 laps.

and the series has constantly changed the rules to make the camaro competetive

and the series has constantly changed the rules to make the camaro competetive

yea i know. they're running bosch computers, whereas the beemers and fords are forced to run factory computers, and air intake restrictors....which the camaros don't have to run. but then again, the fords(and i think the beemers) are truly factory race cars.
either way, it's still great to be able to watch these things. if i'm lucky, i'll make it to milleville when the series comes here this summer.

just noticed your sig. mind if i steal it for use in another forum?

:confused:I doubt they are using the plasma arc tech.:confused: Why wouldn't they ?? It would be no different than using it on the new 5.8 L and the previous '11-'12 5.4 liter.

GM i wonder what drama would stir-up if they brought back the Chevelle or Nova but they would have to drop the Malibu. :devil:

I saw some pictures of a "Chevelle" concept GM recently had for display.

You would want to pour acid in your eyeballs.

+1 on the Yenko special edition, lighter, sleeker, faster
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would be way better than bumble bee lol

Like I've been saying since day one of the arrival of the 5th gen Camaros. The Z28 will be like the Boss 302 or like the Camaro SSX but a lil more street friendly car lol ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dCZ1XEqvqc&feature=related

GM i wonder what drama would stir-up if they brought back the Chevelle or Nova but they would have to drop the Malibu. :devil:

I don't know I always thought this concept looked pretty sweet maybe minus the all the LED lol but still looking kind of like the body type. I just feel like GM is afraid of bringing back the Chevelle & Nova because of the Camaro & Corvette sales.. But I mean they did fine when all four of them were out back then. I just don't think the interest of buyers is out there either. I do think they should bring back the Bel Air! :) Offer it in a 2 or 4 door kind of like Dodge & the Charger.

http://www.amcarguide.com/wp-content/gallery/chevelle-concept/chevy_chevelle_by_taglane-at-devianartcom.jpg

I don't know I always thought this concept looked pretty sweet maybe minus the all the LED lol but still looking kind of like the body type. I just feel like GM is afraid of bringing back the Chevelle & Nova because of the Camaro & Corvette sales.. But I mean they did fine when all four of them were out back then. I just don't think the interest of buyers is out there either. I do think they should bring back the Bel Air! :) Offer it in a 2 or 4 door kind of like Dodge & the Charger.

http://www.amcarguide.com/wp-content/gallery/chevelle-concept/chevy_chevelle_by_taglane-at-devianartcom.jpg



The LED lights are nice but this car kinda reminds me of a Bentley Continental GT.

yea, 'cause ford would never do anythign to counter that, now would they? :engarde:

No they wont, it will be the Ls1 vs 99-04 Gt all over again.

Why didnt GM just put a LSX 454 or LSX 427 thats easily makes 600-700hp N/A in the ZL1? is there a policy to not put LSX engines in production cars? sometimes GM's decisions amazes me! :bang:

Why didnt GM just put a LSX 454 or LSX 427 thats easily makes 600-700hp N/A in the ZL1? is there a policy to not put LSX engines in production cars? sometimes GM's decisions amazes me! :bang:

Ehh whats wrong with a LSA? :confused:

Ehh whats wrong with a LSA? :confused:


(LSA) not enough power for the GT500, and it would show Ford that we dont need Forced induction to make 700hp if they put the 454LSX in!

none of the big 3 need forced induction to make big hp.

none of the big 3 need forced induction to make big hp.

but supercharging helps a lot though......like with this cobrajet......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CxhzWhXc3U&feature=related

(LSA) not enough power for the GT500, and it would show Ford that we dont need Forced induction to make 700hp if they put the 454LSX in!

Ehh the LSA can make a lot more power if it needs to... LS9 for example? 2013 GT500 has a 5.8L with 650 hp. ZL1 has the 6.2L with 580 hp

Well my question is why use forced induction when you really dont need it?

Well my question is why use forced induction when you really dont need it?

Well I mean the SS is competition for the GT. The ZL1 is competition for the GT500. & the "Z28" will be competition for the Boss 302. As you can tell there's kind of a pattern there.... ;)

Well my question is why use forced induction when you really dont need it?

if it comes out, will the new z28 be supercharged?

Im also hoping its not, we dont need more power, just less weight and better suspension.

if it comes out, will the new z28 be supercharged?

Im also hoping its not, we dont need more power, just less weight and better suspension.


Same here, im not a forced induction guy. IMO forced induction is better off with the japs! this is america where were supposed to use big cubed Naturally Aspirated engines that make supercharged like power. :usa:

The Z28 should be a road version of the Camaro SSX

The Z28 should be alot lighter, same suspension as the ZL1 and have the LS7.

The Z28 should be alot lighter, same suspension as the ZL1 and have the LS7.

That would be sweet! Maybe GM can try and fool us by rating it around 480hp, so the Z06 still remains top notch. Kinda how they did with the LS1s when they first came out.

So you want the z28 to be the exact same as the SS but less comfortable?? Id rather it be a less horsepower engine, much less weight, and much better handling, than the current SS.

I was thinking more like a 1le kind of car no fancy options same powertrain better suspension and less weight so yeah I guess cloth seat and manual windows aren't as comfy the switches and leather but they cost less and weigh less. Now as far s the guys that want this to cost more then a ss why? Why not have less options less weight and spend less for a faster car since you want this to be more of a race breed ride then a plush dd.

I was thinking more like a 1le kind of car no fancy options same powertrain better suspension and less weight so yeah I guess cloth seat and manual windows aren't as comfy the switches and leather but they cost less and weigh less. Now as far s the guys that want this to cost more then a ss why? Why not have less options less weight and spend less for a faster car since you want this to be more of a race breed ride then a plush dd.

Getting rid of all those options wont save you as much weight, than if you switched to an all new platform. Im fine with cloth seats as long as theyre somewhat comfortable, but id be pissed if GM had to switch to manual windows just to keep up with competition. Im sure GM would get tons of crap from critics too, so i doubt that would happen.

Pricewise, it would most likely be the Boss's competitor. And the Boss costs more than the regular GT, so it would make sense if the Z28 would cost more tha the SS. However, thats if they decide to make it a limited time model.

But I mean they did fine when all four of them were out back then.

You mean when GM had nearly 60% market share compared with mid-20's now.

Why didnt GM just put a LSX 454 or LSX 427 thats easily makes 600-700hp N/A in the ZL1? is there a policy to not put LSX engines in production cars? sometimes GM's decisions amazes me!

The reasons are many. Fuel mileage, warranty, gas guzzler tax (ZL1 already pays). The biggest reason is that most people looking to buy this car would not want a heavily cammed thumper to go cruising around in. Forced induction allows big power while maintaining road manners. We tend to forget that one us (as enthusiasts) can tolerate is not what the majority of the public will.

That would be sweet! Maybe GM can try and fool us by rating it around 480hp, so the Z06 still remains top notch. Kinda how they did with the LS1s when they first came out.


Like i just said the Z28 should be a street legal version of the Camaro SSX, if you guys dont know of the SSX then google it... its a light weight, high rpm, tight suspension, carbon brakes (pro touring type car).

Like i just said the Z28 should be a street legal version of the Camaro SSX, if you guys dont know of the SSX then google it... its a light weight, high rpm, tight suspension, carbon brakes (pro touring type car).

We heard you there the first time. And no, i wouldnt buy a z28 if it had 1 seat and no interior.

When will the new DI V8's come out? maybe do an awesome high reving 302 DI v8 and road racer oriented Z28 which is what it should be. Kinda like that laguna seca mustang they had out? If they made the new camaro on that new lighter ATS platform with the new DI engines then I would actually be interested in buying new for a change!

We heard you there the first time. And no, i wouldnt buy a z28 if it had 1 seat and no interior.


You missed the part when i said "Road Version" meaning interior, radio, A/C ect...

You missed the part when i said "Road Version" meaning interior, radio, A/C ect...

well so much for the "less weight"

well so much for the "less weight"

carbon fiber body panels, carbon ceramic brakes will save you lots of weight, lightened wheels along with some other lightweight things.

carbon fiber body panels, carbon ceramic brakes will save you lots of weight, lightened wheels along with some other lightweight things.True, but with all of that comes higher costs too.
The Boss 302 starts at only $41k (a total bargain in my opinion) so any lightweight/'road race oriented' Camaro SS/Z28 has to be competitive with that price point. :burn:

they can't take things out of it if they want it to compete with the boss302. i think that the kind of person that's buying the boss302 wants his cake and eat it too. the boss still has the ford sync in it, and i think it can be optioned with navigation.
if chevy takes and cuts the camaro to bare bones, just to hang with this car, i would suspect that that would hurt sales of that particular model.

they can't take things out of it if they want it to compete with the boss302. i think that the kind of person that's buying the boss302 wants his cake and eat it too. the boss still has the ford sync in it, and i think it can be optioned with navigation.
if chevy takes and cuts the camaro to bare bones, just to hang with this car, i would suspect that that would hurt sales of that particular model. Speaking of the Boss 302 .....Did anybody see TopGear on History Channel outperforming the Roush RS3 last night ??!!
The STIG drove both and the Boss represented well .

Speaking of the Boss 302 .....Did anybody see TopGear on History Channel outperforming the Roush RS3 last night ??!!
The STIG drove both and the Boss represented well .

the british top gear? i haven't seen them mess with any mustangs since that 07'ish? shelby. i do think they had on one of their blogs about being over here though with a mustang/camaro/challenger going up the east coast.

the british top gear? i haven't seen them mess with any mustangs since that 07'ish? shelby. i do think they had on one of their blogs about being over here though with a mustang/camaro/challenger going up the east coast.
It was the USA version with Tanner Faust

Speaking of the Boss 302 .....Did anybody see TopGear on History Channel outperforming the Roush RS3 last night ??!!
The STIG drove both and the Boss represented well .

Yeah, I thought the roush was gonna win that one, but i was surprised it didnt. The Boss beat the supercharged mustang.

There is a new TGUS Season out?

carbon fiber body panels, carbon ceramic brakes will save you lots of weight, lightened wheels along with some other lightweight things.

How much are you willing to pay for this car?

The Boss 302 starts at only $41k (a total bargain in my opinion) so any lightweight/'road race oriented' Camaro SS/Z28 has to be competitive with that price point. :burn:

Exactly! To all you people that want carbon fiber body panels, ls7 or ls9 engine, 3400lb curb weight or less, etc. ............why have you not bought a new Z06 or ZR1 yet? It has all the performance features you want; motor, suspension, low weight. $75K or greater price tag perhaps? Be realistic. Start with a $42k price tag and build within that budget. See what you can come up with.

And it's funny reading through all these comments about what the Z28 should be. No one can even remotely agree upon what the Z28 should feature other than it should be fast, proving my point from earlier that no matter what GM builds the majority of the performance crowd will not be happy. As lame as it sounds, build something that sells and let the aftermarket take care of the rest.

It was the USA version with Tanner Faust

i just watched it on the computer. it's pretty amazing. the boss looked like it leaned noticeably less in the turns than the roush did. it looked more precise too.

those guys are still not really funny though.

i just watched it on the computer. it's pretty amazing. the boss looked like it leaned noticeably less in the turns than the roush did. it looked more precise too.

those guys are still not really funny though. I agree .

That would be sweet! Maybe GM can try and fool us by rating it around 480hp, so the Z06 still remains top notch. Kinda how they did with the LS1s when they first came out.

It can be the same motor, just underrate the numbers like they have done for years. I wonder how much weight savings there would be from the LSA to the LS7, cooling and all hardware. Basically a Z06 version of the Camaro!

It can be the same motor, just underrate the numbers like they have done for years. I wonder how much weight savings there would be from the LSA to the LS7, cooling and all hardware. Basically a Z06 version of the Camaro!Probably a decent amount of weight saved...that could be a cool car. :nod:
But I have a feeling that we won't be seeing too much more from the LS7 motor after the 2013 model year, there's talk that it will be discontinued. :nono:

Probably a decent amount of weight saved...that could be a cool car. :nod:
But I have a feeling that we won't be seeing too much more from the LS7 motor after the 2013 model year, there's talk that it will be discontinued. :nono:

a Direct Injection LS engine would do the trick ;) and the LS7 engine isnt all that great as most people may think. The block is too weak IMO.

imo cut a ton of weight, make it more of a race car, very limited power options, pretty much do kinda what they did with the new version of the copo, it has a killer drive train, but you cant make a school bus fast no matter how much power it has lol

imo cut a ton of weight, make it more of a race car, very limited power options, pretty much do kinda what they did with the new version of the copo, it has a killer drive train, but you cant make a school bus fast no matter how much power it has lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwyCoQuhUNA

imo cut a ton of weight, make it more of a race car, very limited power options, pretty much do kinda what they did with the new version of the copo, it has a killer drive train, but you cant make a school bus fast no matter how much power it has lol

the copo if i recall is not a street car, and is aimed at the cobrajet.

a Direct Injection LS engine would do the trick ;) and the LS7 engine isnt all that great as most people may think. The block is too weak IMO.

I agree, the LS7 is on the weak side when it comes to modding and especially turbo/supercharging. Cutting as much weight as possible would definitely help. I think a nice little forged single turbo 5.3 thats bullet proof up to 1000+ hp in stock form would be badass and give us a nice new engine to modify. Either that or an equally strong 7000+ rpm LS3, with both at ~500 hp or more.

For sure though, Top Gear US isnt as good as the original although Tanner Foust is a pretty cool dude that can drive pretty damn good.

I agree, the LS7 is on the weak side when it comes to modding and especially turbo/supercharging.

Interesting. This guy is pushing 1000rwhp now and knocking on the door to an 8sec pass since this article was written. http://vortechsuperchargers.wordpress.com/2010/10/29/jerry-gaddis-has-a-daily-driven-9-44-second-vortech-blown-z06-to-satiate-his-need-for-speed/

Jerry whetted his appetite for single-digit passes with a Vortech T-Trim supercharger compressing the stock LS7 bottom end to the tune of a 9.54-second pass.

Not sure if there's been a discussion on this, but what do you guys think about Jay Leno's idea for the z28?

twin-turbo version of the 3.6-liter, 420-hp V6.

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/cars/chevrolet/2009-chevrolet-camaro-special-leno-edition/index.shtml#item=223986

http://www.0-60mag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/jay-leno-camaro-2.jpg

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No....

id rather kill myself than own a v6 z28

Yet another v8 shoved in between the SS, base vette, z06, zl1, and zr1, just seems like a missed opportunity. Unless they went for a v8 turbo which would at least be unique. Whats the point of another one that's plus or minus a few hp in their already overcrowded lineup?

Not sure if there's been a discussion on this, but what do you guys think about Jay Leno's idea for the z28?

twin-turbo version of the 3.6-liter, 420-hp V6.

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/cars/chevrolet/2009-chevrolet-camaro-special-leno-edition/index.shtml#item=223986

http://www.0-60mag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/jay-leno-camaro-2.jpg

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this will never be produced no will car enthusiasts accept a weak V6 for a muscle car. Especially a Z28 imo they need to come out with the next generation GM V8 engines before they introduce the Z28.

Will any company ever have the balls to build a turbo v8 that's not the price of a supercar? A turbo muscle car that looks that good is just too much to ask for it seems.

Jay mentions how light the v6 is under the hood of that concept Camaro. I'd be interested to see a weight comparison between the LS3 and that v6 with the twin turbos, piping, and intercooler.

*Edit: Looks like the dry weight of the naturally aspirated v6 in the 2010-11 models is 370lbs. New v6 in the 2012 model is 350lbs. The LS3 is 415lbs.

Jay mentions how light the v6 is under the hood of that concept Camaro. I'd be interested to see a weight comparison between the LS3 and that v6 with the twin turbos, piping, and intercooler.

*Edit: Looks like the dry weight of the naturally aspirated v6 in the 2010-11 models is 370lbs. New v6 in the 2012 model is 350lbs. The LS3 is 415lbs.That means that it would be close, the V6 (with all of the plumbing/turbos/intercooler) would likely be ever so slightly lighter overall.
Make mine an NA (or turbo :D) V8 as well please. :burn:

Take the styling of the Jay Leno car and drop in a new GM DI V8...make it lighter then the current SS and call it a Z28.

done.

Interesting. This guy is pushing 1000rwhp now and knocking on the door to an 8sec pass since this article was written. http://vortechsuperchargers.wordpress.com/2010/10/29/jerry-gaddis-has-a-daily-driven-9-44-second-vortech-blown-z06-to-satiate-his-need-for-speed/

Hm, thanks for the correction. Most of the stuff Ive read about turbocharging/supercharging a LS7(which aint much I must admit) said the block`s cylinder walls were quite thin and that they had problems going much over 1000hp, but I havent seen anything detailing a FI LS7 for quite a few years now.

Also, why not just go with a 6.6L Duramax in the new Z28? That would be perfect. :drive:

Hm, thanks for the correction. Most of the stuff Ive read about turbocharging/supercharging a LS7(which aint much I must admit) said the block`s cylinder walls were quite thin and that they had problems going much over 1000hp, but I havent seen anything detailing a FI LS7 for quite a few years now.

Also, why not just go with a 6.6L Duramax in the new Z28? That would be perfect. :drive:

Yes the walls on the LS7 block are weak, compared to the LS3 block. The LS3 block is pretty strong. if i were to boost a LS engine it would be with an LSX block!

Personally,I think GM should wait for a smaller, lighter Camaro platform before bringing back the Z28. They aren't going to be able to take much weight out of the current chassis without it getting unnecessarily expensive. And using the LS7 wouldn't be practical either unless you want the Z to be very low production...and very expensive.

But if they are going to insist on making a 5th gen based Z28, they should just take the SS, fit it with the ZL-1's suspension, lightweight rims, and carbon brakes...then tune the hell out of it. IMO, right now that's the best formula for creating a Camaro that can compete with the Boss.

Personally,I think GM should wait for a smaller, lighter Camaro platform before bringing back the Z28. They aren't going to be able to take much weight out of the current chassis without it getting unnecessarily expensive. And using the LS7 wouldn't be practical either unless you want the Z to be very low production...and very expensive.

But if they are going to insist on making a 5th gen based Z28, they should just take the SS, fit it with the ZL-1's suspension, lightweight rims, and carbon brakes...then tune the hell out of it. IMO, right now that's the best formula for creating a Camaro that can compete with the Boss.I couldn't agree with you more. :nod:
They could even squeeze a few horsepower out of it as well (much like the Boss 302 motor does over the base GT motor) through the use of Direct Injection, VVT etc. The upcoming 2014 Corvette C7 might hint at what's to come for the future of the (Gen V) V8 line. :cool:

I wish they would come back with the 302. A Direct Injection 302 making 500~hp :D

I couldn't agree with you more. :nod:
They could even squeeze a few horsepower out of it as well (much like the Boss 302 motor does over the base GT motor) through the use of Direct Injection, VVT etc. The upcoming 2014 Corvette C7 might hint at what's to come for the future of the (Gen V) V8 line. :cool:

Details? What engine is going in the C7?

Details? What engine is going in the C7?No one (outside of those designing/manufacturing/building the car) knows exactly just yet, other than it will likely have Direct Injection and be at least 5.5L (I'm hoping that it remains at 6.2L or goes even larger (6.4L?) but that's highly unlikely).
I only mentioned that above because once we know more/see the actual C7 in the flesh (less than 11 months from right now) we'll get a better idea of what kind of motors/transmissions that future Camaros and trucks might get as well. :burn:

Details? What engine is going in the C7?
According to Motor Trend, GM executives have been planning the next-generation (C7) Corvette since 2007. The car was originally planned for the 2011 model year (to coincide with the 100th anniversary of Chevrolet), but was delayed, and currently expected to arrive in fall 2013 as a 2014 model year. Mid-engine and rear-engine layouts had been considered, but the front-engine, rear-wheel drive (RWD) platform will continue to keep costs lower and the engine compact. The seventh generation Corvette is still in development, but is widely believed to be publicly unveiled by 2012, but may be delayed further depending on the scope of upcoming Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) regulations. The Corvette C7 will come equipped with Chevrolet's upcoming 5.5 L small block V8 that features a number of technical advancements including an aluminum block and heads and a revised combustion system. The engine will retain the pushrod, overhead valve design configuration. The new 5.5 L V8 made its world debut in the C6.R racecar. Power will likely total 440 hp (328 kW), an improvement over the 436 horsepower available currently in the Corvette C6, but with improved fuel economy due to the new engine's smaller size and advanced features. The engine is part of a new $890 million program committed for vehicles across the GM lineup. A twin-turbo V6 engine may or may not be available as an option.
Car and Driver said in April 2011, "We anticipate change in the C7 will be apparent at a glance, even to casual observers." "It seems certain the coupe will feature a split rear window – a la the one-year Sting Ray coupe of 1963. In this case it will be an optional feature. An Interior makeover is expected with upgraded materials with seats comparing favorably with the buckets found in Porsches and BMWs. The front-engine Y platform will be essentially unchanged from the C6 with an improvement expected in steering linearity and feel. The Z06 and ZR1 will continue, while the Grand Sport may become the base model. The C7 should hit dealerships in fall of 2013

I have a feeling the C7 wont be as good looking as the C6, but hey it may look better for all i know!

Everything I hear says the 5.5 is race only. Street motors will be 5.3 DI and 6.2 DI.

The current 5.5 Race motor has somewhere between a 4.155 and 4.180 bore. The LS7 had a 4.125 bore which would be about the max for a street motor. With current GM bores you would have to run the LS3 bore with a 4.8 crank to get to around 5.5. A large bore has a negative impact on mileage. To make a significant improvement in mileage over a 6.2 you would have to cut down the bore to get there. I doubt any of us want a sub 3.8 bore with 3.63 stroke motor. So if you are married to a LS3 bore there is little value to destroking to 5.5.

Everything I hear says the 5.5 is race only. Street motors will be 5.3 DI and 6.2 DI.

Based on everything I've read, this is correct. The 5.5L DI motor is a racing motor, whereas the new LT1 (6.2L DI) will be the new motor for the C7.

Based on everything I've read, this is correct. The 5.5L DI motor is a racing motor, whereas the new LT1 (6.2L DI) will be the new motor for the C7.

LT1? hahaha cool name i guess, i guess you can say this is the 3rd generation LT1. The 1970 LT1, 93-97 LT1, and the new 6.2 DI LT1. :D

Everything I hear says the 5.5 is race only. Street motors will be 5.3 DI and 6.2 DI.

The current 5.5 Race motor has somewhere between a 4.155 and 4.180 bore. The LS7 had a 4.125 bore which would be about the max for a street motor. With current GM bores you would have to run the LS3 bore with a 4.8 crank to get to around 5.5. A large bore has a negative impact on mileage. To make a significant improvement in mileage over a 6.2 you would have to cut down the bore to get there. I doubt any of us want a sub 3.8 bore with 3.63 stroke motor. So if you are married to a LS3 bore there is little value to destroking to 5.5.I agree. I've even read that the current (6.2L) bore size will absolutely be retained, just not sure on the stroke. But again it's still all just hearsay.

And I highly doubt that they will revive the 'LT1' moniker for the C7's engine, it's just too soon and too close to the 1996 C4 (and 1997 F-body V8) era for them to do that. Although, back in 1992 when they did it it was only 20 years or so since it was used previously so anything's possible I suppose LOL. :)
I'm thinking something like 'LS5' or 'LS8' maybe?

New title for this thread, Z28 & C7 Discussion.

LOL at plp saying the LS7 isn't all that great and weak... I really don't know why GM don't use the LS7 and call it the Z28 with weight reduction. Would be a heck of a car.

I agree. I've even read that the current (6.2L) bore size will absolutely be retained, just not sure on the stroke. But again it's still all just hearsay.

And I highly doubt that they will revive the 'LT1' moniker for the C7's engine, it's just too soon and too close to the 1996 C4 (and 1997 F-body V8) era for them to do that. Although, back in 1992 when they did it it was only 20 years or so since it was used previously so anything's possible I suppose LOL. :)
I'm thinking something like 'LS5' or 'LS8' maybe?

Found out yesterday the 5.5 race motor is 4.090x3.185.

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=ed63a1311772866639337a25296ac836&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.camaroz28.com%2Fforums%2F2010-2011-2012-camaro-news-sightings-pictures-multimedia-61%2Fnews-next-gen-chevy-camaro-confirmed-2016my-6-2l-v8-engine-remain-844923%2Fpage6%2F&v=1&libid=1331752033623&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corvettenewsblog.com%2Ftag%2F corvette-le-mans%2F&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.camaroz28.com%2Fforums%2F2010-2011-2012-camaro-news-sightings-pictures-multimedia-61%2F&title=NEWS%3A%20Next-gen%20Chevy%20Camaro%20confirmed%20for%202016MY%2C %206.2L%20V8%20engine%20to%20remain%20-%20Page%206%20-%20CamaroZ28.Com%20Message%20Board&txt=Corvette%20Le%20Mans%20%7C%20Corvette%20News%2 0Blog&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13317520510182

Found out yesterday the 5.5 race motor is 4.090x3.185.

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=ed63a1311772866639337a25296ac836&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.camaroz28.com%2Fforums%2F2010-2011-2012-camaro-news-sightings-pictures-multimedia-61%2Fnews-next-gen-chevy-camaro-confirmed-2016my-6-2l-v8-engine-remain-844923%2Fpage6%2F&v=1&libid=1331752033623&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.corvettenewsblog.com%2Ftag%2F corvette-le-mans%2F&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.camaroz28.com%2Fforums%2F2010-2011-2012-camaro-news-sightings-pictures-multimedia-61%2F&title=NEWS%3A%20Next-gen%20Chevy%20Camaro%20confirmed%20for%202016MY%2C %206.2L%20V8%20engine%20to%20remain%20-%20Page%206%20-%20CamaroZ28.Com%20Message%20Board&txt=Corvette%20Le%20Mans%20%7C%20Corvette%20News%2 0Blog&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13317520510182Yes, good info, I think it's essentially a de-stroked LS7 (427)?

The Corvette C6.R race cars' 5.5-liter Chevrolet small-block V8s are developed, built and maintained by GM. The Corvette C6.Rs' LS5.5R is a naturally aspirated race engine, based on the Corvette Z06's 7.0-liter LS7 engine (which in turn was developed with the 7.0L race engine used in the C6.R GT1 cars), built on production cast-aluminum cylinder blocks.

And that's why I don't believe that the base C7 will have a 5.5L motor in it (as so many are already talking as if it's fact)...because 1) the 5.5L only exists to meet those particular class rules and 2) the base Corvette would not use a variation on the more costly LS7 motor (or any 'racing based' motor for that matter).
But I dunno. :)

Yes, good info, I think it's essentially a de-stroked LS7 (427)?

The Corvette C6.R race cars' 5.5-liter Chevrolet small-block V8s are developed, built and maintained by GM. The Corvette C6.Rs' LS5.5R is a naturally aspirated race engine, based on the Corvette Z06's 7.0-liter LS7 engine (which in turn was developed with the 7.0L race engine used in the C6.R GT1 cars), built on production cast-aluminum cylinder blocks.

And that's why I don't believe that the base C7 will have a 5.5L motor in it (as so many are already talking as if it's fact)...because 1) the 5.5L only exists to meet those particular class rules and 2) the base Corvette would not use a variation on the more costly LS7 motor (or any 'racing based' motor for that matter).
But I dunno. :)

LS7 is 4.125x4

I agree with a street 5.5 being fanatasy. If the 4.06 bore is to be retained, there is almost no value in destroking to 3.25 from 3.62. MPG increase gain would be negligible, and streetable torque would suffer. Would also be more cost effective to retain all the equipment for the 6.2's 4.06x3.62 configuration, and add the DI head and fuel system.

LS7 is 4.125x4

I agree with a street 5.5 being fanatasy. If the 4.06 bore is to be retained, there is almost no value in destroking to 3.25 from 3.62. MPG increase gain would be negligible, and streetable torque would suffer.True. :nod:





Would also be more cost effective to retain all the equipment for the 6.2's 4.06x3.62 configuration, and add the DI head and fuel system.I agree, and that's ultimately what I would like to see. Retain the already stellar torque delivery of the 6.2L along with the added power/fuel economy benefits of DI, could possibly be enough to drive the current LS3 to 460-475hp and 450-460tq. :thumb:
I remember years ago before the LS3 even came out that there was even talk of a 6.3L or 6.4L so I've been hoping for an increase like that as well. But in these more stringent economic times and ever increasing fuel prices I don't see that happening at all. :nono:

I agree, and that's ultimately what I would like to see. Retain the already stellar torque delivery of the 6.2L along with the added power/fuel economy benefits of DI, could possibly be enough to drive the current LS3 to 460-475hp and 450-460tq. :thumb:


Slide that into a 3600-3700 lb ATS-V (Everybody has heard 3400, but that is the I4 version. Gig motor, trans, rear, brakes, and wheels will push it up), and similar Camaro SS and have some fun.

Slide that into a 3600-3700 lb ATS-V (Everybody has heard 3400, but that is the I4 version. Gig motor, trans, rear, brakes, and wheels will push it up), and similar Camaro SS and have some fun.:D Might even come in under 3600 pounds (both the ATS-V and the new Camaro version of that platform) which would be VERY nice. :thumb: