Negative Trader Feedback - Beware of hotsauce886

Link to sale thread.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/parts-classifieds/1512296-243-heads-brand-new-sold.html

Upon receiving them I find that they are packaged very loosely with some plastic wrapped around them. Obviously they've been bouncing around in the box and damaging each other. The seller shipped them with spark plugs in them and 5 of the 8 plugs were busted with one completely busted in half, to give reference of how much these heads were able to move in the box. Almost all of the corners on the heads were damaged as well as the head face, gouging and pitting everywhere.

I notified the seller I would like a refund and would ship them back with him giving me some money to ship them back. I'd end up taking about $50 loss on these having paid to have them shipped here and paying half of it to ship them back. The seller proceeds to tell me it's UPS's fault for beating them up, even though he did not pack them adequately. Using some cheap plastic bubble wrap for 60 lbs heads that destroyed that wrap in seconds is not my idea of packing parts correctly. I don't think the packing is anyway acceptable and think it was a decent deal for me to take a loss and just give them back. Also being a noob a paypal, he talked me into sending the money as a "gift" which I later found out means I can't dispute the purchase. That's my fault for not researching but I have filed a dispute with my credit card and hopefully this will work out, since hotsauce886 won't admit the mistake and take responsibility for it.

Pics of some of the damage, too many things to take pics of it all. Pics of the packing too.

http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/Car/IMG_20120216_155327.jpg

http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/Car/IMG_20120216_155358.jpg

http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/Car/IMG_20120216_155522.jpg

Every one of these is flat
http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/IMG_20120216_165310.jpg

http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/IMG_20120216_182433.jpg

I ship things everyday using ups and fedex and if its packaged correctly then nothing will happen! its lazy people that dont take the time to package it right that cause this and point the finger somewhere else.

You should get the refund and he should have to pay for shipping

Just my 2 cents

Just to clearify.. he now has the heads and your money + you paid 50 in shipping..?

This is totally unacceptable. Hautsauce must be kidding if he thinks that UPS is at fault when he only wrapped these things in a bit of bubble wrap. Looking at the pictures, I could tell you right away that there is no way those heads would make it to their destination undamaged. You've gotta pack these things EXPECTING that they are going to be handled rough..and if you pack them right, they'll make it no problem.

The seller needs to step up, take responsibility, and agree to have the buyer send the heads back for a refund. If you ask me, Silencer is even doing him a favor by offering to pay for some of the shipping back. Hotsauce should cover all of it as far as I'm concerned. Sounds to me like Hotsauce doesn't want to deal with selling damaged heads...so he decides to screw an honest buyer. Talk about a douche move.

Good luck Silencer, hope you get this resolved somehow.

Dude, that is so fucked up.... Hopefully your credit card company can do something about it. If not, your screwed and probably won't be able to fix the heads with the amount of damage done to them (gaskets won't seal). You might be able to have them machined down a bit, but your compression will be even higher than you originally wanted.

That is complete crap....what kind of idiot packages heads with that large bubble wrap and at LEAST doesn't put insurance on it????

hotsauce886 owes you your money back...period

Just to clearify.. he now has the heads and your money + you paid 50 in shipping..?


No I have the heads, I won't send them back until he refunds my money. I asked him to give me a refund and some money towards sending them back since it's his fault that they are damaged, but I didn't ask for him to pay for all of the shipping back. I was willing to pay for part of the shipping just to get this resolved.

Some more pics of the damage, glad I'm not the only one who thinks these things were packed HORRIBLY!

Busted Plugs, just shows how hard they were hitting each other. I had to bend some of them back so I could remove them.
http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/IMG_20120217_150031.jpg

http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/IMG_20120217_150044.jpg

More nicks and dings all around the valve cover seat.
http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/IMG_20120217_150056.jpg

http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/IMG_20120217_150120.jpg

Bust temperature sensor, not sure if this was shipped like this since I didn't find the other end of it in the box.
http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/IMG_20120217_150223.jpg

More busted plugs on the other head, notice one completely broke off. It looks like that one ended up under the heads and gouged the hell out of the bottom.
http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/IMG_20120217_150258.jpg

http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/IMG_20120217_150315.jpg

Even the cast number got hit!
http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/IMG_20120217_150329.jpg

Gouging on the head face
http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/IMG_20120217_150408.jpg

Gouged the combustion chamber.
http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/IMG_20120217_150415.jpg

http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/IMG_20120217_150455.jpg

http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/IMG_20120217_150519.jpg

http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww343/xxsilencerxx/IMG_20120217_150531.jpg

Those things took a beating!!!

Straight to small claims court.

No I have the heads, I won't send them back until he refunds my money. I asked him to give me a refund and some money towards sending them back since it's his fault that they are damaged, but I didn't ask for him to pay for all of the shipping back. I was willing to pay for part of the shipping just to get this resolved.

okay i see..Everybody makes a mistake at some point. But when you do you step up to the plate and take responsebility for your own acts. You dont wipe your ass with other peoples money. He should pay for it all. Hope it works out for you

Straight to small claims court.

I really hope I don't have to take it that far.

okay i see..Everybody makes a mistake at some point. But when you do you step up to the plate and take responsebility for your own acts. You dont wipe your ass with other peoples money. He should pay for it all. Hope it works out for you

Yep exactly, I didn't blow up on the guy. I just informed him of it, said I want to return them and I want my money back and he basically told me he takes no responsibility for it and that I should take it up with UPS. As the buyer, it's not my job to make sure that he knows how to ship something. If a vendor did this they would refund the money and take the parts back. Not be irresponsible, and run away with the money.

lol what an imbecile. Shit job packing AND no insurance?! I have never NOT insured anything. And I've definitely fully refunded people's money when what I sold didn't last long. Given his location (probably a Katrina and/or oil spill victim) I suppose I can't blame him for being so douchy. Post his address and let what happens happen, I say!

So where does he live? Lol

He planned to screw you over from the start. This is a classic example of why you should NEVER send money as a gift on Paypal. And an example of why this guy's mother should have swallowed.

Are these fixable in any way?

Dude, that is so fucked up.... Hopefully your credit card company can do something about it. If not, your screwed and probably won't be able to fix the heads with the amount of damage done to them (gaskets won't seal). You might be able to have them machined down a bit, but your compression will be even higher than you originally wanted.

Are these fixable in any way?

See above. :read:

He planned to screw you over from the start. This is a classic example of why you should NEVER send money as a gift on Paypal. And an example of why this guy's mother should have swallowed.

Yep, I got to learn that one the hard way. I will never make that mistake again.

Are these fixable in any way?

Phil @ Ai thinks he can fix them, but I'm not sure that he'll know for sure what the CR will be unless I send them and he can actually look at them in person.

Some of the bigger chunks could possibly be filled in with some weld and re-milled. That first pic looks horrendous....

Some of the bigger chunks could possibly be filled in with some weld and re-milled. That first pic looks horrendous....

Yea that's what he was talking about doing. Either way, it's a bunch of bullshit anyway. Heads would've been well on there way to AI by now if dude could package parts at all. :eyes:

It's hilarious too, cuz I've called him out on two separate boards and he's completely disappeared from both.

It's hilarious too, cuz I've called him out on two separate boards and he's completely disappeared from both.

What a lowlife.

That is why you do not send payment as a gift. If they are so worried about loosing 3% then pay a little extra then you have no problem filing a dispute. No effort was made to package the heads how lazy can you be

Where does he live?

the numbers on the head in his ad are different then the number you posted.

one is 519 and the other is 517

Look closely at the casting number too. They are clearly different heads he sent you.

if you paid with a credit card, file a chargeback. Either that or you file it as a fraudlent charge. Paypal can do whatever they want about it but your credit card company will get your money back, trust me.

That is why you do not send payment as a gift. If they are so worried about loosing 3% then pay a little extra then you have no problem filing a dispute. No effort was made to package the heads how lazy can you be

Yep, I'll never make that mistake again.

Where does he live?

Somewhere in Louisiana or whatever his profile says.

the numbers on the head in his ad are different then the number you posted.

one is 519 and the other is 517

Look closely at the casting number too. They are clearly different heads he sent you.

They are the same, each head has a set of numbers on it. I just happen to take a picture of the other one.

if you paid with a credit card, file a chargeback. Either that or you file it as a fraudlent charge. Paypal can do whatever they want about it but your credit card company will get your money back, trust me.

I filed a dispute and told them what happened, they said they'd be able to help out and the charge has been removed for now. I'm still waiting on official word that the charge has be removed permanently.

Looks like the charge dispute made it to Paypal and they have now opened their own dispute. I might be able to get pay pal just to fix this now.

any update?

any update?



Paypal must've sided with him because I got an email from the CC company today saying that they revoked my charge back and if I had more evidence I need to submit and reopen the dispute. Basically it's becoming a bigger pain in my ass now.

I think someone needs some heads shoved up there ass

did you send the CC company a picture of the heads?

So I ended up getting Phil @ AI to fix these heads. I am leaving for OTS soon and would not be able to drag this out any further.

I also talked to Citi, and while they denied my charge back, the Investigator I was talking to sided with me on it and was able to credit me some of my money back to cover the repairs.

So in the end Hotsauce is still a coward who has since disappeared, and other people had to fix his screw ups.