View Full Version : Sand and Street Performance Wiring aka SSP wiring


Sarg
02-17-2012, 04:42 PM
Sand & Street Performance Engines, LLC
Sand and Street Performance
SSPWiring (ebay)
Steven M. Hiltner
Wife: Karen L. Hiltner
LS1 Performance Parts


Website:

www.SSPWIRING.com (Currently active and cheating people)
SSPWIRING (ebay username)

Business Address:
Sand & Street Performance
12741 Main Street
Mayer, AZ 86333
Phone: 928-632-4372 SHOP


Well I guess I should have done more reading on these guys before using them again. The first time was a fiasco and took forever to get the parts. I figured that they were going through growing pains and that I would give them one more chance. I sent in a specific list of things I wanted from them and after taking about 2 weeks longer than promised (have a specific time line to be done with this vehicle), I finally got the harness.......and it did not have the ECU that I NEED TO RUN THE VEHICLE!!! The previous time I paid $450/harness including ECU, show wrap, everything. They specifically told me that it would get cheaper the more we ordered from them. This time price was around $440. Looking at the invoice, the last harness was $375+ add ons, this one was $415 plus add ons. I thought ok, a little more expensive, cool! WRONG. They neglected to tell me that I was not getting the ECU that I needed and SPECIFICALLY requested in my order form.

I even specifically called up to make sure that they could load a 2000 Camaro file on the ECU after placing the order and Karen (order taker) stated that it would be no problem. The harness shows up and not only is there not a 2000 Camaro ECU loaded on the ECU, but there IS NO ECU. I called up and they basically said tough shit, you can buy an ecu, price went up and we neglected to add the ecu on your order. :bang: I explained that I paid almost EXACTLY what I paid for the previous harness that included the ECU and he just said well sorry, we forgot to add it to your order and our price went up. You didn't pay for it, you didn't get it, no harm done. Never mind that I now have to explain why this build that was supposed to be done a week ago is not getting done or the fact that I need to get a 2000 Camaro ECU and probably eat the cost since it was on the original parts request from Sand and Street.

So long story short, avoid these folks. Sand and Street screwed up, raised their price, neglected to tell me, and cost me money and a pissed off customer. Steve did not even try to offer any type of consolation or any attempt to make things right. At the cost that they would charge an individual (not a "dealer" like we were supposed to be) you could easily get other alternatives on the market. We have 5 more swaps lined up over the next 6 months....they will NOT be getting one of these harnesses. Oh and Steve, if you should read this, if your wife Karen is going to be taking technical orders, you might want to give her some basic knowledge....she really does not seem to have a clue.

bpatrol
03-04-2012, 12:17 AM
Psi conversions best price and best service hands down.

Sarg
03-04-2012, 05:14 PM
We are actually looking at them and a couple others or future use.

67RSCamaroVette
03-06-2012, 11:23 PM
They recently called the shop to demand payment for two harnesses that they'd shipped and paid for months ago. Sounded fishy. Their customer service sucks.

Sarg
03-07-2012, 06:46 AM
As an update, wiring the harness was a pain for our customer (a 10 year automotive wiring guy). None of the colors matched anything in their instructions. When I approached them about this, they said I was making it all up. At that point I had the customer call them and they explained that they sometimes use different color wires than their instructions (what!?!) Which makes it almost impossible to wire without a pin out of the ecu and verifying each wire by toning it. None of these mismatched wires are labeled. He also promised the customer that he would send him a missing or incorrect pigtail which he (Steve) never sent.

qc97z
03-08-2012, 08:32 AM
Wow...anyone file a claim with the BBB?

priest01ss
03-09-2012, 02:45 PM
Well with this being said, who all does everyone recommend? I looked at PSI Conversion and they seem very good but I would like to check out some other options as well.

Moter
03-11-2012, 09:18 PM
Well with this being said, who all does everyone recommend? I looked at PSI Conversion and they seem very good but I would like to check out some other options as well.

I have not used his harness...but i will be purchasing one in the near future. Look in the conversions forum...and do a search. Nothing but good stuff

jwcarguy
03-31-2012, 01:41 PM
I have personally used S & S Performance on a few swaps (converting a factory harness to a standalone) and also recommended him to approx 3 other guy here in Vegas that have used him
We have a no problems, when we did have , what we thought was a issue on one swap, they were easy to get ahold of and very helpful, great customer service!
One buddy contacted them and they "walked him" through what was invloved, to make sure that he was getting eaxactly what he needed for his application

Here is their website: http://www.lsx-harness.com/index.html

hope this helps, Jeff

JJFarmer
04-05-2012, 10:54 PM
I have personally used S & S Performance on a few swaps (converting a factory harness to a standalone) and also recommended him to approx 3 other guy here in Vegas that have used him
We have a no problems, when we did have , what we thought was a issue on one swap, they were easy to get ahold of and very helpful, great customer service!
One buddy contacted them and they "walked him" through what was invloved, to make sure that he was getting eaxactly what he needed for his application

Here is their website: http://www.lsx-harness.com/index.html

hope this helps, Jeff

I used his Todd's stuff on my conversion, good service. I was going to try SSP but to much bad feedback for me now.

93z383
04-06-2012, 12:44 AM
This sucks to hear man, but I'm not surprised... more and more businesses these days are becoming cut-throat. Honestly no matter what it is, no matter where I go or what I buy, customer service is HORRIBLE this day and age.

The only places I'm happy with buying from nowadays are WS6 store, BMR, and Summit.. Oh and 6LE has been great. I'll never go to a Firestone service shop again in my life. Even with places for everyday stuff the service is horrible, I.E. Walmart ect..

I just don't get what's going on these days. Nobody cares anymore.

qc97z
04-09-2012, 09:33 AM
I just don't get what's going on these days. Nobody cares anymore.

TRUE THAT. I'm beginning to wonder whether I'm becoming an A-Hole that requires too much out of everybody...but I think I'm just trying to get decent quality service. It seems that, like you said, nobody cares anymore. Quality work/craftsmanship is almost extinct, respect and dignity are gone, pride in your work....LONG gone. Punctuality is a thing of the past (just got done waiting 10 weeks for a 4 week paint job on my harley).

What happened to just giving a shit about your fellow man? People want to get/take everything and give nothing.

Sarg
04-09-2012, 03:43 PM
TRUE THAT. I'm beginning to wonder whether I'm becoming an A-Hole that requires too much out of everybody...but I think I'm just trying to get decent quality service. It seems that, like you said, nobody cares anymore. Quality work/craftsmanship is almost extinct, respect and dignity are gone, pride in your work....LONG gone. Punctuality is a thing of the past (just got done waiting 10 weeks for a 4 week paint job on my harley).

What happened to just giving a shit about your fellow man? People want to get/take everything and give nothing.

I was wondering the exact same thing, lmao. Am I too critical or what?!? Of course I just expect what I ask and pay for. Oh and for a product to be correct and not have shoddy workmanship.

hatcher1986
04-09-2012, 09:49 PM
John at PSI is great to deal with!

Rocketrod
05-27-2012, 05:48 AM
As an update, wiring the harness was a pain for our customer (a 10 year automotive wiring guy). None of the colors matched anything in their instructions.....None of these mismatched wires are labeled....

Same experience here. I order my harness with a fuse panel and explicitly ask if they they would label the wires and they said definitely. When I got the harness there were no labels, the colors they used in the harness versus the instructions weren't always the same. They also never have told me what tune they put on the ecm or which dbw pedal they sold me (it was supposed to be a vette pedal, but it's not). After several emails they provided some assistance, but the damage was already done. I asked and paid for one thing and got something totally different. Hopefully I won't have any issues when I try to start the engine.

Sarg
05-27-2012, 08:18 AM
We are REALLY hoping so. We have three of their harnesses at this point. Only one has been gone through. I am scared to see what we will find when we go to use the other two. At least you got your pedals and ECU!! We didn't even get the ECU this last time. Packaging was a total joke and everything was falling out of the box when we got the harnesses. I just really hope that when we go to use the other two everything works.

Sarg
05-27-2012, 08:22 AM
John at PSI is great to deal with!

I have talked to them and I am impressed by what I heard...but then I was taken in by SSP at first as well, lol. Kinda gun shy at this point and we have just been using stock harnesses.

burbalanche
06-29-2012, 04:28 PM
do not deal with ssp wiring.if u r looking to get a harness or anything they will gladly take ur money at first and then its all down hill from there.u will never be able to get ahold of them about any questions of problems u may be having with a harness, all u get is his stupid wife that answers and has no clue what shes talking about...well just my 2cents ive been trying to talk with steve for while now and cant via email or calling she "takes" a message and thats it.

1bad03snake
07-11-2012, 11:00 AM
I have a SSP harness on my car. I bought it used but new from a member on here and it was a big headache dealing with them. I sent the harness back to have it wired up for mass air,ev1 connector.obd2 port and a fuse box. I was told I would have it back in 2 weeks. 9 weeks later I get my harness. It was missing the obd2 port that I requested and they said came with the harness. I had to call and leave multiple messages about wire colors that did not match the instructions. I eventually got it figured out and the car cranked right up. Now I have a short to bank 1 no injectors or spark. fuses/grounds/connections seemed good as I didnt touch anything. I told my self to buy a PSI harness over and over again and I got what I paid for...

fastls1inaz
07-16-2012, 06:51 PM
I live in AZ and it took them 2 and a half months to get my harness, ecu and coil extensions, wiring diagram is a joke, the labels they put on are falling off or fell off in transit, they were quick to take money but horrible on returning calls. I ended up emailing them and calling over and over at the shop until someone contacted me. This guy owned a performance shop in the valley and was a joke then too, I didnt find out this was the same person until after I placed my order. A local guy had him build a motor for his 96 impala SS and was all proud of the short block, took pics and posted them up but removed them once everyone pointed out the pistons were installed upside down, he parked another car under a car on a lift over night, car leaked brake fluid all over it and then he proceeded to blame the customer...there countless stories I could tell..

Crazier
07-16-2012, 07:48 PM
How do you install pistons upside down?

MikeyZ
07-18-2012, 04:32 PM
I think he ment with the dots facing toward the rear

fastls1inaz
07-20-2012, 01:25 AM
I think he ment with the dots facing toward the rear

Arrows that say top...were put on the bottom. I have pics somewhere..

velox65
07-20-2012, 06:02 AM
I used them for my swap in my 96 bird, asked to retain full factory accessories, "no problem". Paid em and didn't hear from them for 2 weeks, called and called and called, wouldnt answer so I emailed and got a reply. 4 week eta. Ok. 2 months later I got a harness with different gauge wires, cheap connectors etc, oh and no ac wiring. Said I didn't ask for it and wouldn't tell me how to add it, so I lost ac in the middle of summer.

Huge waste of time, money, and heartache.

1320
12-14-2012, 06:27 PM
Im really surprised. Ive been doing lt1 (thats how far back I go) and lsx swaps for well....since the 90's. I emailed ssp tuesday (today is friday). He called me probably with in an hour or so....I told him what I needed for an lsx in a suzuki samurai. It arrived today, friday. Price wise they seem to beat everyone by alittle. Quality...I ve used them before, and its been great. Last time was a lsx powered chopper trike, that probably took 30 minutes to fire off after I laid the harness out.

Have I had problems....yes....that I thought were harness related? yes....BUT it has not ever turned out to be that way. Understanding the harness, and what you need is paramount. Sensors change year to year, and sometimes strange things are put together. I ve used others....probably 3 others....and none have been as good.

1320
12-22-2012, 06:34 PM
Just an update....I received that last harness in 3 days...so I ordered another one....a week ago friday, when I made the post above. Well it was delivered today the following saturday. A whole 8 days, with a "show covering" and a black coated pcm.

On a side note I have a different project ( a third) ....that is using a different harness, not by ssp and it appears I have some wiring to do....... with the tps.

Sarg
12-22-2012, 08:38 PM
Maybe they have improved. That was the chance I was willing to give them despite some poor feedback last time til they did what they did. I hope you continue to have a good experience with them, I really do. I will choose not to ever do business with them again.

1bad03snake
02-08-2013, 07:02 AM
I'm calling them today to figure out why bank one keep going dead intermittently If they give me the run a round I'm buying a PSI harness.

1320
02-08-2013, 08:44 AM
I got notified that you posted to this thread....and I saw your other thread. You have a harness that you ran in one car, and now its in another.....over a period of 6 months to a year? and you have a similar problem on the second car that you had briefly on the first.

Your problem from what I read could still be about a million things. Fortunately for you its probably an easy fix. But to post on here about a call your gonna make with attitude if you dont get the answer you want? Unfortunately diagnosing a problem via phone is hard, try to remember that. Could it be the harness? Sure could, you already had it on one car....and removed it....and put it on another car......just that raises huge flags....first it had to be ok when removed, for you to use it. But you have a similar issue that you had once and it must be the wiring? Chances are its not the wiring, but the install, or another component. Does it mean its not, no, but if your a betting man, your putting your money on a long shot.

Sarg
03-20-2013, 08:31 PM
Ok dug into MY harness this weekend from them and the directions are crap. None of the wires are labeled at all on the body side of things and quite a few are the same color and have no mention as to what they go to. This is quite honestly the worst "instruction manual" that I have ever seen. Beyond their business practices, which to me were shady, their product is sub-par. I would expect there to be a wiring diagram for the body side or labels on the wires or something.

I am hoping I can figure this out! It's time to fire the car for the first time, but FIRST I have to figure out where these mass of unlabled, undescribed wires go to :bang:

the_merv
04-19-2013, 06:32 PM
I have fixed one of their harnesses for a friend of mine..they had no clue on how to build a simple LT->LS Fbody Harness and sent him one that was trash. I tore it down and fixed it up.

Sarg
04-19-2013, 06:46 PM
One thing that worries me after digging in and comparing to factory harness is how THIN the wire gauge is....kinda has me worried.

edwardzracing
04-24-2013, 04:50 PM
Adding this link as more evidence of the shady work this company is doing:

http://ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-hybrids/1631295-one-members-new-harness-woes-pic-heavy-2.html

Sarg
05-04-2013, 09:42 AM
Here is some more fun issues with a friend's harness that we ordered through these clowns. The injectors clips are apparently for a truck or whatever injector they had laying around, but are not EV1 style clips used on Camaros or Firebirds which we specifically asked for. Rather than deleting the MAF and having a separate IAT plug like we asked for there is a MAF plug on there and NO IAT like we ordered. I think they just sent out a generic truck harness on this one and not the one we ordered at all. So now we are going to have to cut up all kinds of stuff to make repairs on this harness and replace all the injector clips, the IAT sensor after we determine the correct wires as well as the alternator plug which is also for some unknown vehicle, but not the one that we ordered for sure!

With the time it will take to repair this harness and the additional cost of all the pigtails as well as the additional cost of the ECU we could have pretty much just ordered a stand alone at this point. Those injector clips will cost at least another $100 easy for new ones, the IAT plug will be another $15-$20 after shipping minimum. The ECU was another $150, and not sure about the alternator pigtail, but I would guess another $20 for that pigtail. So all in all we will have around $800 in this harness before we even worry about time and such.

parker0465
06-17-2013, 10:50 PM
Our shop specializes in LS conversions I used Superior Harness in Mena Ark untell they went out of business [ health issues] I tried Sand & street perf [ steve] we bought 4 harness from him the harnesses are a absolute joke fuse box is terrible they are NOT color coded we have had to rework all 4 some were missing tack wire 1 had inj wired to wrong bank map sensor wired wrong O2's wire wrong and if you try to call SSP if they do answer you won't get much help and don't wait for the return call it won't come if you want a good Harness try Speartech.com [ John ] builds a very nice harness He also is very helpful he will talk to you any time you call I just got 4 from him very nice he also will rework your factory harness they are NICE and price is good from all my exspearance and the trouble with SSP BE WARE