Dynamometer Results & Comparisons - G6x3,AFR,stock 346

474rwhp 417rwtq

70cc 10.1 comp. 30 degrees timing

M6 4.56 gear m9 rear 28in Hoosier DR
McLeod street twin

FTP 104 lid
90mm tb
Fast 102 intake
AFR 225 70cc, 10.1 compression , 30 degrees of timing
G6x3
UDP
ARH 1 7/8
3.5in y pipe w/ magnaflow muffler dumped

Stock short block with arp rod bolts

474rwhp 417rwtq


M6 4.56 gear m9 rear 28in Hoosier DR
McLeod street twin

FTP 104 lid
90mm tb
Fast 102 intake
AFR 225
G6x3
UDP
ARH 1 7/8
3.5in y pipe w/ magnaflow muffler dumped

Stock short block with arp rod bolts

Jason still some fine tuning that needs to be done. and what fuel did you have in it??? what are your tires set to for psi. slicks kill your numbers..

Rob

Jason still some fine tuning that needs to be done. and what fuel did you have in it??? what are your tires set to for psi. slicks kill your numbers..

Rob

Hi
Rob

Yeah I was hope n for a lil more hp

93oct

Don't know how much air psi was in tires

after reading your email everythings all clear. car will make alot of power and we need to try diff fuels. dont worry bud it should be close to 500hp.

Rob

Strong numbers.

after reading your email everythings all clear. car will make alot of power and we need to try diff fuels. dont worry bud it should be close to 500hp.

Rob

I have a 55 gallon drum of 104 unleaded

I'll b running ... Should had it in car at time of tuning

Dyno numbers don't always mean much I guess

Yrs ago with a g5x2 I made 390rwhp and went 11.20@122 full weight


So I'm sure this combo will b goo for low 10s

Strong numbers.

Thanks

Got the car today

Runs very well

I have 2 vids but have no clue how to post them

i will post the vids tomorrow for you bro.

sounds like a great setup! what are the specs on g6x3 and about how much did the entire setup run you?

sounds like a great setup! what are the specs on g6x3 and about how much did the entire setup run you?

Don't know the specs

And never kept track on cost

Sorry

after reading your email everythings all clear. car will make alot of power and we need to try diff fuels. dont worry bud it should be close to 500hp.

Rob

I have a 55 gallon drum of 104 unleaded

I'll b running ... Should had it in car at time of tuning

Am I missing something?...Why run 104 when you only have 10:1 Compression?

Am I missing something?...Why run 104 when you only have 10:1 Compression?

Not sure?
What are u suppose to Miss?

I'm sure 104 will run better than 93 when I'm beating on it

Lol maybe I like the smell

474rwhp 417rwtq

70cc 10.1 comp. 30 degrees timing

M6 4.56 gear m9 rear 28in Hoosier DR
McLeod street twin

FTP 104 lid
90mm tb
Fast 102 intake
AFR 225 70cc, 10.1 compression , 30 degrees of timing
G6x3
UDP
ARH 1 7/8
3.5in y pipe w/ magnaflow muffler dumped

Stock short block with arp rod bolts

That's badass, up that compression and maybe a 102TB and be 490 at the tire? Good numbers with that rear!

Not sure?
What are u suppose to Miss?

I'm sure 104 will run better than 93 when I'm beating on it

Lol maybe I like the smell

My car runs fine on 93 and I have 11.2:1 Comp. Im sure there is some power to be gained (when properly tuned for 104) but it just seems like overkill.

were/are you I8AFORD from the MFBA?

Am I missing something?...Why run 104 when you only have 10:1 Compression?

were/are you I8AFORD from the MFBA?

Yep

I remember u

My car runs fine on 93 and I have 11.2:1 Comp. Im sure there is some power to be gained (when properly tuned for 104) but it just seems like overkill.

I run it in all 3. My vehicles at the track

I like the extra precaution of not worry bout spark knock

As now adays u don't what kinda condition gas is in
I have a 500 gallon tank of 93oct at my house from country mark
Damn stuff runs better than gas at stations

That's badass, up that compression and maybe a 102TB and be 490 at the tire? Good numbers with that rear!

Thanks

I wanted to is a 102tb
But my 2 tuners I deal with told me it wouldn't help
So I do as they say ... Lol

after reading your email everythings all clear. car will make alot of power and we need to try diff fuels. dont worry bud it should be close to 500hp.

Rob

I run it in all 3. My vehicles at the track

I like the extra precaution of not worry bout spark knock

As now adays u don't what kinda condition gas is in
I have a 500 gallon tank of 93oct at my house from country mark
Damn stuff runs better than gas at stations

gotcha, 98blueSS comment threw me off. I thought he was implying a 25 rwhp jump going from 93->104.

Either way, nice numbers! Let us know when you get to the track. Any susp. work? 11.2@122 is moving for 390rwhp, you definetly have that thing dialed in!

gotcha, 98blueSS comment threw me off. I thought he was implying a 25 rwhp jump going from 93->104.

Either way, nice numbers! Let us know when you get to the track. Any susp. work? 11.2@122 is moving for 390rwhp, you definetly have that thing dialed in!

Thanks

11.22 was on a old car from 10yrs ago. When. G5x2 came out
It didn't have much suspension work


The car just had built
K member A arms. Afco Drag bar
M9 tq arm

setup has more left in it with more compression. I would like to see at least 11.5.1 and good gas. so it will give you room if you want to use the heads on a bigger cube build.

Idle Vid of this monster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_735ULlRODc

Showing off how good of a driver he is....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIUfn4Ohc3k

More good driving....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMW_ZM9hwe0

Thanks

I wanted to is a 102tb
But my 2 tuners I deal with told me it wouldn't help
So I do as they say ... Lol

Thinking about it, it wouldn't because the FAST102 is built for bigger cubic inch engines anyways. Like the sound of the beast!

Does sound nice!

Rob Mill those heads bud!!!

Thanks guys
Yeah milling would pic up A few hp

Nice setup and driving. What slave/master combo are you running with that street twin?

New Gm slave /Tick performance master

275/60 hosier dr
Not doing bad for 30lbs in tires ... Just checked them

Thanks for compliments guys

setup has more left in it with more compression. I would like to see at least 11.5.1 and good gas. so it will give you room if you want to use the heads on a bigger cube build.
X2

Low static compression and a big cam really dont play well together.....the fact you made the power you did is actually impressive.

Your cylinder pressure and DCR is suuuuper low with this set-up. You could have easily ran 11.5 with pump gas and not experienced any knock whatsoever with even a so-so tune (wouldn't have to be deadly spot on). Both torque and HP would have been up considrably.....compression really helps larger cammed combo's because the overlap and late valve events kill the cylinder pressure and the name of the game is to try and build as much cylinder pressure as possible.....thats whats creating all the twisting force in the first place.

A 102 TB is worth another 5 ponies on this combo btw.....not the end of the world but it all adds up. More compression (especially with a tight quench) and a larger TB would have put the torque over 430 and close to 500 to the ground on power.

Car sounds great btw....love the exhaust note!

More in it if your up for going in and wrenching again!

Enjoy the new combo

:chug:

-Tony

PS....Would like to see the dyno curve.....any way to post that up?

X2

Low static compression and a big cam really dont play well together.....the fact you made the power you did is actually impressive.

Your cylinder pressure and DCR is suuuuper low with this set-up. You could have easily ran 11.5 with pump gas and not experienced any knock whatsoever with even a so-so tune (wouldn't have to be deadly spot on). Both torque and HP would have been up considrably.....compression really helps larger cammed combo's because the overlap and late valve events kill the cylinder pressure and the name of the game is to try and build as much cylinder pressure as possible.....thats whats creating all the twisting force in the first place.

A 102 TB is worth another 5 ponies on this combo btw.....not the end of the world but it all adds up. More compression (especially with a tight quench) and a larger TB would have put the torque over 430 and close to 500 to the ground on power.

Car sounds great btw....love the exhaust note!

More in it if your up for going in and wrenching again!

Enjoy the new combo

:chug:

-Tony

PS....Would like to see the dyno curve.....any way to post that up?


Thanks for info

I may get heads milled and 102tb

Mike Norris has the graph
I'll check with him

Thanks for info

I may get heads milled and 102tb

Mike Norris has the graph
I'll check with him
Wow....didn't realize this was on Norris's dyno (the Humbler.....LOL). Its actually quite stingy.....his STD numbers are lower than most dyno's SAE figures. In fact Im pretty sure he runs most of his cars on that correction factor now because its closer to a typical Dynojet number.

Anyway....if you take the car apart to mill the heads consider sending the 102 off to me to get ported....I would suspect we could clear the 500 mark with the intake, compression, and TB change. the entire curve would be fatter and it would come up on the cam much faster with a a little more cylinder pressure from the higher CR figures.

-Tony

Wow....didn't realize this was on Norris's dyno (the Humbler.....LOL). Its actually quite stingy.....his STD numbers are lower than most dyno's SAE figures. In fact Im pretty sure he runs most of his cars on that correction factor now because its closer to a typical Dynojet number.

Anyway....if you take the car apart to mill the heads consider sending the 102 off to me to get ported....I would suspect we could clear the 500 mark with the intake, compression, and TB change. the entire curve would be fatter and it would come up on the cam much faster with a a little more cylinder pressure from the higher CR figures.

-Tony

Mike actually did say his dyno reads low

U will getting my intake to port

Thanks again

I am glad Tony posted on your compression,or lack of it,as i was going to ask you the same ? why so little. Chris has fly cutting tools if you need them,also his motor is just over 12/1 and he adds a spash of 100 no lead to it with no KR.

I am glad Tony posted on your compression,or lack of it,as i was going to ask you the same ? why so little. Chris has fly cutting tools if you need them,also his motor is just over 12/1 and he adds a spash of 100 no lead to it with no KR.

Hi Elmer
It's fly cut

I should ask more on heads
I dOnt know that much bout that stuff
I just want hp and will drive the shot out of it

I called Louis G told him send me some heads for a 2002 that's bout as far as it went

The cam was for my 2011... Then I bought a 2002 and kept the 11 bolt ons and just used the cam for that car,,, then just ordered heads and intake for the 2002


I'm sure we'll get it tweaked a bit more

I didn't want Jason to spend money on heads twice. Yep, the compression is low, but they will fit golden on his 427 or 415 like his last car. The 346 won't last long, so I didn't feel right selling him heads twice. It'll either give up the ghost, or Jason will upgrade. Either way, he is going to wring it out!

Tony, this is the car we spoke about regarding 225s and small bore, and what gasket to use.

2 more points of compression will help a ton. Just put a 4" crank in it!

I didn't want Jason to spend money on heads twice. Yep, the compression is low, but they will fit golden on his 427 or 415 like his last car. The 346 won't last long, so I didn't feel right selling him heads twice. It'll either give up the ghost, or Jason will upgrade. Either way, he is going to wring it out!

Tony, this is the car we spoke about regarding 225s and small bore, and what gasket to use.

2 more points of compression will help a ton. Just put a 4" crank in it!

Good point Louis

I do remember u saying you where going to get me heads that would go toward my next build

Thanks for take n care of me

Good point Louis

I do remember u saying you where going to get me heads that would go toward my next build

Thanks for take n care of me

Take the heads off and bump that compression... you can always use the same heads on a bigger motor, i.e. (you are going to buy pistons anyways so just get dished instead of flat or domed)

.040 gasket will bump you ~.4 alone...

Also your tuner is right if you are running a 98-104mm FTP lid the 102 TB will not help much at all...The restriction in the intake track is the lid...It flows similiar to around a 85mm bellmouth opening...and yes there is no difffernce between the 104mm and the 98mm (they both neck down the same)...that is why i made a custom 4" bellmouth lid ;)...I picked up 6rwhp from just a lid swap and that was with a 92mm tb for both runs.

Why even give the 346 the time of day? Flattop will make the most power, no reason to run a dish on an NA just to get a number on a 346. I'll send him AFR 210s if he wants to swap. There's no point.

Hey Louis

Send me a 427 short block!!

Hey louis,send me a 434ci with the best afr heads you have. in return,i'll go to every speed shop around and put your shops logo and phone number over theirs...:D

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