Negative Trader Feedback - Ordered lifters from Mystery Bird and only recieved half

I hate to do this, I truly do, but I feel I have been scammed.

Mystery Bird listed a set of low mileage LS7 lifters. I purchased them from him through paypal. I received a sealed unopened box in the mail. In the box, was only 8 lifters. I contacted the seller, and he said he would file a claim. He said he could prove he shipped all of them, but never sent me any such proof.

His resolution was to attempt to sell me some LS1 lifters for $15.

I am starting a Paypal dispute to get my money back. I would just like to share this little warning.

I really do feel as though I have been scammed.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/parts-classifieds/1514307-ls7-roller-lifters-sold.html

Wow, you got to be kidding me, you never even asked me to show you proof. I will post picture of receipt when I get home. I do everything possible to work with people if they're unhappy. You didn't even try or give me a chance. I don't see how I'm resposible for lost or damaged shipping, it's a disclaimer that everyone uses.

Wow, you got to be kidding me, you never even asked me to show you proof. I will post picture of receipt when I get home. I do everything possible to work with people if they're unhappy. You didn't even try or give me a chance. I don't see how I'm resposible for lost or damaged shipping, it's a disclaimer that everyone uses.


I gave you a week to resolve the issue. You resolution was to attempt to sell me more stuff that I don't need.

I have witnesses that were at my office when the package came, and I opened it in front of them. The box was completely sealed and never opened.

Please continue any further responses to me here, or through paypal. I won't respond to any PM's.

Paypal is dpoplask@verizon.net,
thanks,
Dave

I got a box with 8 lifters in it, where is the other 8.
I put two baggies with 8 each in the same box.

There was only 8 in one bag, did you perhaps forget to stick the second bag in the box?
If the box was damaged and the other bag fell out I will file a claim.

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Have you looked where you packed the box to see if you left them sitting there?


Was there tape across the opening? I remember taping it up but didnt' see any in the pictures.

No tape on it, just sealed with the sticky on the box.
I just found some absolute proof that I shipped all 16. We'll see what happens.

Keep me updated
I've been thinking about what to do over the weekend, I went to file a claim and they said couldn't do it on that type of package. Probably because I didn't purchase insurance on it. I'm torn because I don't want to get screwed and I don't want you to feel like I screwed you. I did ship them both out. I know this because on my reciept it says the package weighed exactly what 16 lifters weigh. If you look at most companies there's a disclaimer stating not responsible for lost or damaged shipping. I feel this should apply here as well. I can offer you another set of stock LS1 lifters with 38k on them for $15 shipped to help out if you want?
Dave

Got to be honest here, I really feel like I am being scammed. The package was sealed, with only 8 in there. I will just file a claim on paypal.

Look at all my feedback from anywhere, Ebay cz28.com ls1lt1.com. I am not a scammer. I kind of feel the same about you. I have proof I shipped all 16.

Feel free to post that proof here

http://ls1tech.com/forums/negative-trader-feedback/1518091-ordered-lifters-mystery-bird-only-recieved-half.html
Why would you do such a thing without even trying to work with me or believe what I'm saying?


I am really not trying to be a dick here, but I truely feel as though I have been scammed and want either my lifters or my money.

I think most carriers automatically insure up to $100 free of charge.

But if there were no holes, or damage to the box, I don't think a claim will be honored.

I just walked over to the post office (across the street from my office) and got a weight of 2 lbs 4.7oz on their scales.

Post up a picture of your receipt.

Everything has been submitted to Paypal. I'm sorry it came to this. I also apologize for stating I feel you the same about you. It was said in haste and that is wrong.

If you want me to leave you good feed back here, and have your reputation restored, you still need to post that receipt.

If you can prove that you shipped them, then I will have a mod remove this post.

paypal will side with buyers 99.999 percent of the time, so you're better off just pleading your case here, to be honest.

i've been in the packing/shipping game for a good 8 years, and IF you were able to fit the 16 lifters loosely in the bags into that cardboard, you reached the limit of the adhesive, and the box likely fell apart in the USPS Sorting facility.

I am still having a bit of trouble believing there were 2 bags of lifters in that box, though.

Here is his response to paypal

: I have a receipt proving I shipped all 16 lifters as described. I'm not resposible for lost, missing, or damaged items due to shipping. I offered buyer a substitue product at a reduced price to help out. No response just stating I'm a scammer. I sell on multiple forums, and Ebay and always try to make things right. I have 100% postive feedback on all forums and Ebay. Buyer didn't even want to work just opened a claim.


still sounds like a scam to me.

When I sell something, I am responsible for it until it is in the buyer's hands. For that reason, I insure everything unless I am willing to pay back out of my pocket.

Also (didn't mention it earlier) when I talked to the post office, they said that since this is a flat rate box, that there wouldn't be a weight on the receipt. He said it wasn't totally unlikely, but highly unlikely. Maybe it is different from post office to post office, but I don't think it is going to have a weight posted on it.

Lol, he has no idea. Paypal will hold him responsible for missing or lost items. He should have put insurance on. He will lose the PayPal dispute. In all honesty, there's no way he could prove that they were in there. "The box weighed exactly what 16 lifters weighed?" Seriously...lmfao..

Btw. That sticky stuff on the boxes is pretty damn strong. Unless he reused the box, there's no way it would come undone from being tossed around...

If you want me to leave you good feed back here, and have your reputation restored, you still need to post that receipt.

If you can prove that you shipped them, then I will have a mod remove this post.

I honestly shipped them all. I'm praying that the missing lifters where ever they are surface ASAP. I'm not trying to scam you, if I was I wouldn't have spent extra on a delivery confirmation, actually if someone was scamming they wouldn't go through the trouble of even sending them, just take the money and run. I've been buying and selling for over ten years and this is the first time this has happened. I'm here, not hidding.

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I honestly shipped them all. I'm praying that the missing lifters where ever they are surface ASAP. I'm not trying to scam you, if I was I wouldn't have spent extra on a delivery confirmation, actually if someone was scamming they wouldn't go through the trouble of even sending them, just take the money and run. I've been buying and selling for over ten years and this is the first time this has happened. I'm here, not hidding.

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What is that that says 2 lbs 5 oz at the top of that receipt?

What is that that says 2 lbs 5 oz at the top of that receipt?

That is from another item I shipped, injectors.

That is from another item I shipped, injectors.

Seems awfully strange to me that, that is almost the exact weight of the box I received.

The lifters shipped to you start with the line that shows your address and ends with PVI. Just like the item above that ends with the PVI. You can go weigh 8 stock injectors and that is the weight you'll get.

I think I am going to have to stick to my guns on this one. I was almost ready to fold when I saw that at the top.

Let's let paypal sort this one out and move on.

Do you want to see the full reciept? I was protecting the privacy of others address by only showing what was shipped to you. I am here to help, what else do you need from me? There were three items shipped that day, one, I shipped a stock balancer for free to help out a fellow member who bought from me before and was out of money, two, I shipped a set of stock injectors again to someone that has bought from me before, that is the one you're seeing a partial of the receipt, and three was the lifters to you.

If you shipped them or not, you are still responsible as the seller to insure proper shipment. You say you shipped them, and I don't see any solid evidence of that. Let's let the readers make their own opinion and let paypal decide how this get's resolved.

Tuff call. The box could have very possibly busted open, have seen this before. USPS is horrible in the way they handle items. But ultimately it is the shippers responsibility to ensure the items will make it safely. Guy seems to be stand up, but again it is on him if his package busted. Hope you get it taking care of man. Pay pal will more then likely take care of you in this case. I know Andy is a stand up guy, is in no way trying to hose anybody here.. Hope it all gets resolved. :D

Thanks yeah brother

If you don't mind I would like to discuss this over the phone tonight when I get home?

I ship alot of items USPS priority and looking at the receipt I believe the seller shipped them by the weight on the receipt as I have a set of those lifters and weighed them on my scale along with one of those flat rate boxes that is a little bigger than a VHS cassette tape, and I got almost the same weight minus the baggy's. Now with that said I know the glue/seal tape on that box is very good but what is not so good is the sides that are just folded in, when I use that particular box I put extra packing tape all over to be sure it doesn't get opened easily. Yes it is still the sellers responsibility to get it there complete and as a seller I always ask the buyer do you want insurance on the package as it is a extra cost and always have this documented in emails, if they decline it is their risk that they are taking. My money is on Paypal won't help you because he has delivery confirmation it was delivered. And since it is not a eBay item they cannot verify condition and you can't prove you got only 8 and not 16 lifters. The seller wants to talk to you on the phone and sounds like a honest person and wants to work it out, I as a seller just have to eat some deals sometimes just knowing its the right thing to do and that what goes around comes around if someone is pulling a fast one on either side it will come around to bite them or a family member in the ass.

Here is what I’m willing to do. To prove to you and anyone else watching that I am who I say I am, you keep the 8 lifters you already have and I will drop the Paypal dispute, which will release the money to you, if you can make me a promise from down deep inside of you that if the other 8 lifters surface you will pay me back the money in good faith and trust. I'm open to other ideas too. Let me know.

Sounds like someone is being scammed... And its not you.

I have already ordered more lifter's at this point. Let paypal continue it's course because it is going to have me send them back to you before the refund anyway. That way, if the other 8 show up, you can resell them as you know their history.

The thing is....that receipt is an electronic scan. I could EASILY scan the original, open it up in a shitty program like Microsoft Paint, change numbers around, blend it, and post it up. EUREKA! correct weight.

Sounds like someone is being scammed... And its not you.

I had to order more lifters last night from another member on here, SS99Z51. I think that should speak pretty clearly for who got the short end of the stick here, unless you think I have some obsession collecting LS7 lifters.

I have already ordered more lifter's at this point. Let paypal continue it's course because it is going to have me send them back to you before the refund anyway. That way, if the other 8 show up, you can resell them as you know their history.

I hope I am wrong for your sake, but you might want to reconsider the sellers offer, if he is adament that he sent you 16 lifters, paypal is going to rule in his favor and you are going to be stuck with 8 almost worthless lifters. I know roller lifters are reusable but unless if you are getting them very cheap it is worth the extra money and buy them brand new from a known trusted company, as you found out trying to save some money is not worth the headaches and aggravation this has caused you, and now also you have your fingers crossed on the second set you bought off someone. It always surprises me how many people will actually buy a used clutch kit that they have absolutely no clue on the true history of how it was used or abused, to me it is worth my time and money to not have the aggravation and peace of mind you are getting what you paid for and will have a recourse if something is not right because you know you are dealing with a reputable company that has alot more to lose if they have a upset customer.

You never hear of people upset about their purchased from companies like Jegs or Summit that is how they got to where they are, they ask themselves are we in business for the next 6 months or the next 50 years?

I was a industrial mechanic for a large company at one time and I always got offers from customers that wanted me to do a repair on my own time, on the side, or on a weekend, I lnever accepted because in my mind they were the cheap asses that always wanted a repair done very cheap and expected their piece of crap equipment to be fixed like it was brand new for dirt cheap prices, and then they felt they had you by the balls if you didnt fix their machine like they wanted as they would always mention it to another emplyee of the company that so and so does work on the side. Either way Good Luck

I hope I am wrong for your sake, but you might want to reconsider the sellers offer, if he is adament that he sent you 16 lifters, paypal is going to rule in his favor and you are going to be stuck with 8 almost worthless lifters. I know roller lifters are reusable but unless if you are getting them very cheap it is worth the extra money and buy them brand new from a known trusted company, as you found out trying to save some money is not worth the headaches and aggravation this has caused you, and now also you have your fingers crossed on the second set you bought off someone. It always surprises me how many people will actually buy a used clutch kit that they have absolutely no clue on the true history of how it was used or abused, to me it is worth my time and money to not have the aggravation and peace of mind you are getting what you paid for and will have a recourse if something is not right because you know you are dealing with a reputable company that has alot more to lose if they have a upset customer.

You never hear of people upset about their purchased from companies like Jegs or Summit that is how they got to where they are, they ask themselves are we in business for the next 6 months or the next 50 years?

I was a industrial mechanic for a large company at one time and I always got offers from customers that wanted me to do a repair on my own time, on the side, or on a weekend, I lnever accepted because in my mind they were the cheap asses that always wanted a repair done very cheap and expected their piece of crap equipment to be fixed like it was brand new for dirt cheap prices, and then they felt they had you by the balls if you didnt fix their machine like they wanted as they would always mention it to another emplyee of the company that so and so does work on the side. Either way Good Luck

My line of thinking is this, I change my mind about my projects almost as much as I change my underwear. I know a lot of other guys do as well. So rather then go buy it new from a big name company that doesn't need the money, I pick it up, often still new, from other guys in the hobby that no longer need the item but could use the money towards their new project. One sour deal isn't going to change my mind about that either.

After I put up this post, I had a member contact me that put me in touch with another member that works at a business that had the lifters new for a little more then what I paid for these used. So no worries there.

These were only supposed to have 3000 miles, and he is a established member, so I took him at his word. I don't feel that he was wrong about the mileage, as they appear to be almost new. What really bother's me is the box is in great shape, and there never appears to have been a second half of lifter's in there. The packing was not right at all, and the box wasn't properly sealed for the amount of weight it contained. He then, as you can see by the PM's I received, wanted to just sell me more lifters that aren't what I need rather then make it right.


I have more then 10,000 transactions through paypal. I know from past experience, they are going to have me send these back to the seller, and then refund my money. Paypal is leaned towards the buyer.

FWIW do you think there is a remote chance someone opened the box before you and is maybe doing a prank? I did add tape to it as stated before and you said there was none.
Just a thought.

The post office is directly across the street from my office. This package was stuck in my PO box. Despite it needing delivery confirmation, none was asked for. I walked across the street and opened it on my desk in front of my Dad and an old friend that was hanging out. Immediately took pictures and contacted you.

Well, to update this. I completed the dispute via paypal and was awarded my money back.