Carbureted LSX forum - New ZL-1 Camaro times!!!

I know, wrong forum, but I couldnt help but share with my carb buddies.
Stopped by the mag stand at the grocery store this morning and saw where Road&track( i think ) did a comparison of the Nissan GTR and the new Super Camaro with the 580HP supercharged LSA engine.
Sit down for this one guys. 12.9 at 113 !!??? The Nissan went deep into the 11s. What did the General do to slow that thing down? With sticky tires, my Externally stock GTO will run that ET!!:eek2:

If you read the article, the temps were very cold and they couldn't get it to hook at all. The Nissan has AWD so it has no problems with getting traction.

So the answer is the General built a car with more power than it is capable of using (can't hook)?

Sounds like a Supra to me.

hahaHaha! Good, I didnt read the article , just scanned it really quick.I just looked at the 1/4 mile times and mph per second to 120mph. The ZL-1 must have been spinning all the way to 120 because it never got rolling!

MPH tells it all :)

Every time I spin at the track my MPH is high for the ET....:nod:

I have seen stock 03 Cobras run high 13s @103 mph. But then mine went 12.6@113.:D

Just because one car and a bad driver ran some really slow times doesn't mean they all will. Give it time and you will see the new zl1 in the 11 100% stock.

Put a carb on it, 9s all day....LOL>

I want to say it was either Car and Driver or Motortrend who ran something like 12.3s with it in another test. That's still a long way off from the original ZL1's 10.4 @ 128. Although, the 1969 ZL1 didn't have IRS and Magnetic Ride Control to help in the cornering department.

I want to say it was either Car and Driver or Motortrend who ran something like 12.3s with it in another test. That's still a long way off from the original ZL1's 10.4 @ 128. Although, the 1969 ZL1 didn't have IRS and Magnetic Ride Control to help in the cornering department.

LOL.... no corners in the 1320 :)

They might have killed the power untill the higher RPM's ????

Not the zl1 but have yall checked out the times the zr1 vette are running?..DAMN! is all i can say!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1W4Fu5WHyI&feature=related

LOL.... no corners in the 1320 :)

They might have killed the power untill the higher RPM's ????

Very true lol. It was a different time when the big blocks ruled the drag strip, and the road courses were reserved for Z28s, Boss 302s, and Cuda AARs (although the ZL1 engine made it into Can Am cars for it's big block power with the weight of a small block).

To be honest, I don't think the 2012 ZL1 has a problem making power anywhere, but as a rule-of-thumb when you give to one you take from the other, in the ZL1's case they designed it with IRS and magnetic ride control for taking corners, so the straight-line performance will suffer a bit. I'd bet that if you set up the suspension for the drag strip (ditch the IRS and put a solid rear) that car would have no problems getting into the 11s despite it's 2-ton curb weight.

As a side note, I'd like to see how well the 2012 ZL1 will respond to mods. I wonder how much of a power boost it will get by just doing a CAI, full exhaust, and a tune?

http://www.camaroscotty.com/tag/zl1-14-mile-times/

here are more stats on the car. kind of compares the car to other super cars which is pretty cool. I also read the latest motor trend where it ran low 12's and they said the track was dusty which made it hard to hook. the main thing for this car is the ability to corner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mhjGERugh0

that's the youtube for the nurburgring. the time it lays is extremely impressive for the fact that its a 4200 lb pig lol

Also add that the ZL1's time around the ring is only 12 seconds slower than the GT-R.... and it's "only" $55k (comparatively it's inexpensive, lol).

ya, the new camaro in terms of taking turns seems to be pretty impressive. I think the original 69 zl1 ran low 13's in the quarter, but is also nearly 1000 pounds lighter then the new camaro. obviously tires were a huge limiting factor...although this car is pretty amazing, i think they under shot in the horsepower department, but as we all know, a simple pulley change, with a new CAI and exhaust will make it a whole new game. just ask termi owners, C6 ZR1 owners and CTS-V owners lol

13.1's on Poly-glass tires and no traction aids :nod: and N/A too ;)

But that was 40+ years ago.

I want to say it was either Car and Driver or Motortrend who ran something like 12.3s with it in another test. That's still a long way off from the original ZL1's 10.4 @ 128. Although, the 1969 ZL1 didn't have IRS and Magnetic Ride Control to help in the cornering department are you talking about the new zl1 running a 10.4 , i havent heard about that yet but thats rolling pretty good,

I believe he was referring to a specially prepped 1969 ZL1 Camaro. IIRC it had headers, a "super" tune, and gears and slicks. But dont quote me on that. Eric L

IMHO, the main thing to keep in mind here is that the original ZL1, and the new ZL1 are COMPLETELY differant animals, and almost impossible to compare apples to apples. Eric L

I believe he was referring to a specially prepped 1969 ZL1 Camaro. IIRC it had headers, a "super" tune, and gears and slicks. But dont quote me on that. Eric L

I'm pretty positive the 10.41@128.1 was just slicks (stock polyglass severely limited them as said above), an un-corked exhaust, and the stock Holley 850 it was delivered with. Later in S/S prepped form (from what I've read it was basically suspension work, fiberglass front end, ignition, headers, and a paint job) it ran 9.63 @ 143 and became the 1971 AHRA S/S Champ. From what I've researched on these cars over the years, the average take-home, bolt-on slicks, take to the track car would turn mid 11s (@ 122ish). At an actual output of 565-580 fwhp and a 3000lb weight, 10s sound about right.

Also, from what I understand, the 2nd ZL1 (2002 GMMG Harrell) with 630hp would run 10s, however I only recall reading one article on it and never heard anymore about them.

IMHO, the main thing to keep in mind here is that the original ZL1, and the new ZL1 are COMPLETELY differant animals, and almost impossible to compare apples to apples. Eric L

Very true, the new (concept still?) 2012 COPO Camaro would be closer to compare to the original 1969 COPO 9560 ZL1 than the 2012 ZL1. The 2012 ZL1 is built for corners, the 1969 ZL1 was intended for S/S and P/S drag racing.

Im pretty sure that the original ZL1 ran low 13s BONE stock. Than with slicks and headers it ran mid to low 11s. Maybe tickeling high 10s. But FWIW even racing slicks and headers kinda sucked back than. So either way we look at it, it was FAR from the cars potential. Eric L

^completely agree with you guys. Truthfully I believe this camaro should be called the ss or z28. the zl1 badge for the 1969 camaro had 550+ fwhp and was NA and the phase 3 zl1 berger had 620 fwhp....again NA. Granted gas mileage is a huge concern, they should have saved that name for a camaro to go up against the "super snake" and gave it 800+ hp

Personally I think it should have been billed as the ULTIMATE, DO IT ALL, Z28. JMHO. It rides like a caddy, handles like a slot car, accelerates PRETTY well, and has every option imaginable. Again, IMHO, cars like the Chalenger 6.4, Camaro ZL1, and Cobra show just how far the automobile has come in even the last 5 to 10 years. Eric L

Personally I think it should have been billed as the ULTIMATE, DO IT ALL, Z28. JMHO. It rides like a caddy, handles like a slot car, accelerates PRETTY well, and has every option imaginable. Again, IMHO, cars like the Chalenger 6.4, Camaro ZL1, and Cobra show just how far the automobile has come in even the last 5 to 10 years. Eric L

No doubt the big 3 have the performance thing down ! And to thiink 17 years ago I thought the glory days were long gone. They are right now! If we can afford it.:(

Oh , and dont forget the caddy CTS-V coupe. As I get older , That car is creaping to the TOP of my list.

Afford it is the opperative word. I can dig on these new cars, but they can keep them for 50 - 80k. Ill keep building my own stuff. Because no matter how much you spend on a new car, it will never be YOUR car, no matter how many spoilers, blowers, or graphics you stick on it. Now fire up the coffee maker, im going out to the garage. Eric L

Yea, Protrac, Thats why I built the LS3 powered 72 Camaro. had it all set up to buy a new camaro, but it just wasnt ME. Too many bells and whistles for my taste. I put my 72 together all by my self, including the paint. I farmed out the trans build and i did go crate GM on the motor, although i did a cam/intake swap . Nothing like putting your own junk together!:drive:

Heres a pic.

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd374/newschool72/Newschool72Picsandvids089.jpg

Motor Trend went 12.1 with the ZL1 on street tires and full exhaust. It also pull a full 1.0 G on the skidpad. What was the original ZL1. 0.65 G?They do not list the trap speed, but if I recall it was in the video and 120+.

I would love one. I would love an original ZL1 even more. A L89 would do as well. My uncle has one and have loved the car since I saw it in 1970.

The original ZL1 was purpose built for drag racing. Only a couple late production ones had any options on them - most came with dog dish hubcaps - no exterior marking either. Price made them hard to sell - double that of an iron block COPO car. Both models are worth a fortune today.

New ZL1 is made for rich guys who want to show they have money. These are high end cruisors - kind of a sad comparison. 40 years from now which do you think will have more value??

I want to say it was either Car and Driver or Motortrend who ran something like 12.3s with it in another test. That's still a long way off from the original ZL1's 10.4 @ 128. Although, the 1969 ZL1 didn't have IRS and Magnetic Ride Control to help in the cornering department.

What ran 10.4@128?

The original ZL1 was purpose built for drag racing. Only a couple late production ones had any options on them - most came with dog dish hubcaps - no exterior marking either. Price made them hard to sell - double that of an iron block COPO car. Both models are worth a fortune today.

New ZL1 is made for rich guys who want to show they have money. These are high end cruisors - kind of a sad comparison. 40 years from now which do you think will have more value??

69 ZL-1! NO question. But when it comes to a total performance car, The 69 can not compare, AS WELL IT SHOULDNT, technology has come a long way sense the 60s. Equally prepped cars at the dragstrip would give similiar results, I think. Invite the 69 to a road course comparo"nope". Ask the 69 to take a drive from coast to coast"nope". Ask the 69 to bring more money at barret- jackson" yes sir".

November 2011 1969 ZL-1 Camaro reunion...2:10 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZXtFG7bwJs&feature=player_embedded#!

how many millions do you think is being seen right there...

What ran 10.4@128?

I'm pretty positive the 10.41@128.1 was just slicks (stock polyglass severely limited them as said above), an un-corked exhaust, and the stock Holley 850 it was delivered with. Later in S/S prepped form (from what I've read it was basically suspension work, fiberglass front end, ignition, headers, and a paint job) it ran 9.63 @ 143 and became the 1971 AHRA S/S Champ.

The 1969 ZL1. The car was built specifically to dominate the competition at the drag strip, Pete Estes, Fred Gibb, and Dick Harrell made sure it had the firepower to do it.

And no, the 1969 ZL1 wouldn't come close to the 2012 at the ring, it was intended only for the drag strip.

how many millions do you think is being seen right there...

A lot more than I will ever own, lol.