Street Racing & Kill Stories - Beat a bolt on 5.0 today

On the way home from work a good looking 5.0 rolled up beside me. We talked after the run and we are pretty equally modded.
He has Cai, bbk long tubes, tune, borla exhaust, and its a 3.73 geared stick car.
I have a Cai, 1 7/8 Lts, and tune. 3.27s in my hoopty.
We ran from about 50 to 120. I pulled about a half a car in 2nd and into third, he stopped my pull at the top of his 3rd. He hit 4th and I was at the top of 3rd by then, pulled out about to about a car and a half. When I hit 4th he stopped my pull again. And then we had to shut down due to traffic.

I'll post some pics of his ride, cool guy. He was a bit suprised I was in an auto I think.

Nice, a 5.0 with those mods is no joke. How was his shifting?

Pretty good, never saw the nose drop really. I wanted a dig run be he had to get home. I'm sure well meet up again. I'm going to tnt in Memphis this Friday to see how I can do.

On the way home from work a good looking 5.0 rolled up beside me. We talked after the run and we are pretty equally modded.
He has Cai, bbk long tubes, tune, borla exhaust, and its a 3.73 geared stick car.
I have a Cai, 1 7/8 Lts, and tune. 3.27s in my hoopty.
We ran from about 50 to 120. I pulled about a half a car in 2nd and into third, he stopped my pull at the top of his 3rd. He hit 4th and I was at the top of 3rd by then, pulled out about to about a car and a half. When I hit 4th he stopped my pull again. And then we had to shut down due to traffic.

I'll post some pics of his ride, cool guy. He was a bit suprised I was in an auto I think.

something doesnt seem right. i would think he would have been in 5th gear by the time youre at the top of 3rd especially if it was a close race.sounds like maybe he started off in the totally wrong gear......

You realize im a 6 speed auto? My 3rd tops out at 101. I have it setup to shift at 6200 rpm, 1-2 is at 39, 2-3 at 69, 3-4 at 101, and 4-5 at 135. Here are some photos of his ride.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/rhino79/IMAG0253.jpg

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At first I was thinking you were in a 4th gen camaro ,like the black and red ! Fancy, yet simple !

Ohio must be sleeping...

Ohio must be sleeping...



That made me LoL :corn:

Ive been waiting on him....lmao

Good kill man, I guess they dont all run mid 11s with those mods after all:rotflmao:

Good kill op

Good kill man, I guess they dont all run mid 11s with those mods after all:rotflmao:

And just because one doesnt, doesnt mean they all dont. Ive learned that for every fast car... there are 10 slow ones with the exact same work done.

I would say more like 10 fast ones for evey thousand.

Great kill!

Sure to get some BS flags thrown unfortunately.

I know. If I would have been able to while driving I would have videod it with my phone. I wouldn't lie about it though.

Not much point in lying...half the time the truth comes out anyway.

Ohio must be sleeping...

I bet he's smellin this kill in his sleep.....probably having a nightmare about now.....lmao.

Lol. With drs from a dig, id expect him to win, but he didn't have drs and it wasn't a dig run....lol.
I couldn't pull when he was at the top of a gear but my car seemed to have more trq as I never lost any steam after a shift. I was a bit suprised. I guess the internets had me believing I was running john force.

I am not suprized one bit, but then again I dont go by what I read online more on what I see for real. The 5.0s are great cars and are a bit better on the strip with a cheaper easy tire swap and solid axle, but the SS is right there with it. Both on stock tires with a few upgrades these cars are very even and its gonna be the driver that wins the race. If your driving a ls3 car you would have won by more, bolt-on for bolt-on on the street in a roll race, my money is on the camaro on avg.

Nice kill. Any thing can happen on the street. And I am sure you do make more TQ then him. Need to get another run on video.

I will. I invited him to memphis for tnt Friday night. Maybe he'll come over.

wow..

I will. I invited him to memphis for tnt Friday night. Maybe he'll come over.

He better have drag radials.

And just because one doesnt, doesnt mean they all dont
Actually, yes it does. All means 100%, All - 1 is not = 100%

:angel:

I wish I had a set of drs but I'm holding out for 18s and will just sport drs all the time then.

I wish I had a set of drs but I'm holding out for 18s and will just sport drs all the time then.

He will want them more. Being a manual. I was able cut 1.7 60fts on a prepped track with real street tires in my G8 with 489whp. Auto just so much easier to launch then a manual. Less you launching off a 5000 stall on street tires.

Nice runs. I was thinking about going to memphis friday too. I got called out by a cobra in little rock and some other cars too lol.

Is it a blue terminator? I ran him before the cai and weight reduction.....I hope he's there. Im actually going for tnt thursday now, they are calling for a chance of rain later friday......If your ever in lr, hit me up, I am about 20 mins ne of little rock, I work in north little rock.

I'll look for you guys at the track. I'll either be in a white or black ctsv. Anyone want to run?

I'll run if your there for midnight madness. I got work till 7 tonight or is go tonight.

Good kill! I love runing a random car and then getting that chance to talk afterwards and find out the mods.

Good luck at the track!

I'll look for you guys at the track. I'll either be in a white or black ctsv. Anyone want to run?
Ill be there.
I'll run if your there for midnight madness. I got work till 7 tonight or is go tonight.

Ill be there probably ill pm you my number.

nice kill man, i had a 5.0 run on the parkway, wew i didnt get to talk to the guy but my car is pretty close to stock, just catback, intake and tune. and this guy stood dead even with me until i started to walk him in 4th, he got the jump too. every 5.0 i see im like "oh shit" more for the thrill than anything. good hunting man!

Shit man, I hunt everything...lol.

Shit man, I hunt everything...lol.

Me to..I do find my self trying to get vettes to play more then anything. Seen a viper today but he wouldn't play. But got ahold of a G8 GXP.

my last attempt with a vette didnt go too well, c6z, but he only started walking me in 3rd so i didnt feel too bad haha. gives me more reason to do more to my car. h/c/i and gears and ill be set!

Hopefully ill have some vids from tonight. I'm riding solo tonight but I think some buddies are gonna be there.

12.4 @ 113.02. 1.91 60 on stock tires. 8.05@89.74 in the 1/8. Not bad for about 1100 da!

12.4 @ 113.02. 1.91 60 on stock tires. 8.05@89.74 in the 1/8. Not bad for about 1100 da!

Not bad..get a stall in that thing. Did the mustang go?

12.4 @ 113.02. 1.91 60 on stock tires. 8.05@89.74 in the 1/8. Not bad for about 1100 da!



That's good on stock tires.

12.4 @ 113.02. 1.91 60 on stock tires. 8.05@89.74 in the 1/8. Not bad for about 1100 da!

bad ass times ryan, moves out

12.4 @ 113.02. 1.91 60 on stock tires. 8.05@89.74 in the 1/8. Not bad for about 1100 da!

not too shabby, any weight reduction? what bolt ons?

Not bad..get a stall in that thing. Did the mustang go?

That's good on stock tires.

bad ass times ryan, moves out

Thanks guys. Mustang was a no show. There was a supercharged 5.0 that was running some shakedown passes. He was running bottoms 11's, stick car, was trapping 128ish.
I had the seats out, weighed at track and was still 3800 with me in it...lol. da was in the 1100s i think.

Just checked dragtimes, da at 12.54 am was 1058, that corrected to 12.26 at 114.25! Time for 18's, drs and good air!!!

Drag radials will help some. So when going to do a stall to really launch.

As funds allow. I will do it within the next few months hopefully. Thinking about calming it too.

Get a stall in that thing with some tires!!! Nice job!!

THanks Mike, I made some passes, leaned it out a bit and softened up the iat timing pull due to high iats at the line, and then made 7 consecutive passes in the 12.40's. Car is deadly consistent.

I saw your 12.4 pass your car is running great. Im not going back on DR's thats for sure track prep was horrible lol. Ill be trailed on my wrinkle walls and skinnies next time I go back haha. my best pass was a 11.6 spinning past the 60ft with a 1.9 60ft lol.

Most reviews I hear on the 5th generation automatics is that they feel doggish in stock form. Is this true? I know it's not the LS3, it's the L99 I think, makes less horsepower and puts less power to the wheels. But does it actually feel slow in stock form?

Tq mgt makes them feel soft.

Tq mgt makes them feel soft.

But they're still really quick, aren't they? 0-60 in 4.6 1/4 mile in 13.0?

Can you tune out that tq management?

Yes you can. Some have seen high 12's stock, mostly low 13s though. Depends a lot on track and weather conditions.

I had tq mang. Crap all way tuned off in my G8 and my 5.0.

But I think you get a stall.and some tires you can touch least a 11.8.

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I had the seats out, weighed at track and was still 3800 with me in it...lol. da was in the 1100s i think.
wow 3800 with you in it is pretty damned good. Stock those cars are at 3950 or so with a full tank of gas BEFORE any driver. seems like youve lost 300lbs down the road in that thing!

Lol, yeah o put this Bitch on a diet.

when i ran that 12.5 i weighted 4110, i imagine what could i have done with your weight hmmmmmm

You had negative da, I had 1058 da! Ill trade ya!! My corrected et on drag times was 12.26 at 114, would have been 12.teens with negative da!!

But they're still really quick, aren't they? 0-60 in 4.6 1/4 mile in 13.0?

Can you tune out that tq management?

Theyre everything but fast in stock form, which suck cause with a tune, you might void your warranty.

You had negative da, I had 1058 da! Ill trade ya!! My corrected et on drag times was 12.26 at 114, would have been 12.teens with negative da!!

how can i check my D.A

how can i check my D.A

Dragtimes website under the tools tab

my DA was -332 on my 12.575 @ 110.06 and corrected and it camed out to 12.592 @ 109.978 MPH

when i first got my tune was in a 1224 DA and ran a 12.9 @ 109 so we basictlly .5 second apart and 5 mph lol

Too bad this wasn't full weight :/

Why is that bad?

Its somes good times and at the same time, i would expect more outta of it, i think i could do the same with those 300# extra i had that you dont have. If i was to correct the time is still 12.5x minus the 300 pounds goes to 12.2 on a corrected day which those are your times corrected too, do you manually shift this car at the track??

100 # of sprung weight isn't always .1. It was 90% humidity too, lol. I'm happy with it. A bone stock ls3 was running 13.4 at 110 that same night. If I corrected that 12.4 it would have been a 12.2. But I don't believe in correcting numbers. It picked up .48 and 5 mph since when it was tune only and full weight in much worse da.

No I don't manually shift. And ur 12.5 was in negative da. If u correct that, it actually would be slower by a couple tenths.

No I don't manually shift. And ur 12.5 was in negative da. If u correct that, it actually would be slower by a couple tenths.

my 12.5 @ 110 run was on only -332, i corrected the time and it was still a 12.5 @ 109 so it only changed on the mph and a couple of hundrents on the tenths, so your times corrected are 12.2 right.?? well i think with those 300# will be atleast .3 tenths

My goodness there is some hate in this thread.
His car ran outstanding considering the rap 5th gens have. Period.

Go pull 300 lbs and run a 12.2 and ill be convinced. Lol. All I know is that I'm a converter, and tire away from 11s lol.

shouldnt have taken any weight out then.

how can i check my D.A

one really good way, if you're not gonna have a portable weather station......if there's a small airport near you or the track you're running at, find the number for ASOS or AWOS. they're constantly calling out temps, and density altitude, as those are VERY important for small aircraft performance. you ever fly a c150 at full gross, in 85F and 500da? dam thing climbs like a wounded duck with weights on its ankles.

100 # of sprung weight isn't always .1. It was 90% humidity too, lol. I'm happy with it. A bone stock ls3 was running 13.4 at 110 that same night. If I corrected that 12.4 it would have been a 12.2. But I don't believe in correcting numbers. It picked up .48 and 5 mph since when it was tune only and full weight in much worse da.

mustve been good air because the ls3s here have trouble running high 13s haha.

corrections are so gay... you run what u run.. if you go 10.9, and your "weather correction factor" only says you ran an 11.0...you still ran 10.9.

corrections are so gay... you run what u run.. if you go 10.9, and your "weather correction factor" only says you ran an 11.0...you still ran 10.9.

this.

what i run at 2500ft DA corrected i'd be running 11s, but i never see that corrected number at -500ft da because im spinning half way down the track at either DA. it gives a good ball park but people shouldnt be using them as bragging rights as people here often do.

i am not trying to take any credit at all from you ryan i just would think your car can do better. Try manually shifting it, i seen a difference, your car is fast no lie, but i would think with those 300# off it would have done alot better, i ran a 12.7 @ 108 with 1200 DA so like i said something is going on with your car or something is not working right, btw did you used wideband.? cause my tuner didnt, but i wished he would have. he just basictly plugged the computer did his magic, drove it once and bam done

corrections are so gay... you run what u run.. if you go 10.9, and your "weather correction factor" only says you ran an 11.0...you still ran 10.9.

this. corrected is nothing.

evangto87 how do you like your boss? i was just in the market for a new DD and was considering the Boss.

i know correction aint nothing but i am just trying to tell ryan something is not working right, i would expect his times with just the mods, not with weight reduction too. i was just trying to show hiM i am not that behind in my 12.5 run, cause it wasnt all that good of a weather, yes it was negative DA, but if i was to be corrected it would still be the 12.5, which it had no difference, and when he corrected his times it was 12.2s so i am not that behind like i said, maybe with them 300# i would run his times CORRECTED

evangto87 how do you like your boss? i was just in the market for a new DD and was considering the Boss.

love it... and surprisingly... its MUCH faster then i thought it was going to be. In fact, quite a bit stronger then the GTs. I didnt believe the hype until ive done some racing with people on the forum.

love it... and surprisingly... its MUCH faster then i thought it was going to be. In fact, quite a bit stronger then the GTs. I didnt believe the hype until ive done some racing with people on the forum.

those 3470# help ALOT you are almost close to a vette. runs good

love it... and surprisingly... its MUCH faster then i thought it was going to be. In fact, quite a bit stronger then the GTs. I didnt believe the hype until ive done some racing with people on the forum.

yeah i love em, i went with the cayman because it's ease to drive "normal" with the car not in sport mode, because it feels so sluggish...and the snow performance.

do you DD yours?

this.

what i run at 2500ft DA corrected i'd be running 11s, but i never see that corrected number at -500ft da because im spinning half way down the track at either DA. it gives a good ball park but people shouldnt be using them as bragging rights as people here often do.

A lid and cam 4th gen spins the tires half way down the track? LMAO!

A lid and cam 4th gen spins the tires half way down the track? LMAO!

its not uncommon. congrats on not having that issue.

those 3470# help ALOT you are almost close to a vette. runs good

they weigh 3632 base curb weight.

A lid and cam 4th gen spins the tires half way down the track? LMAO!

i think the only thing i've ever seen do that, and still be legitimately streetable, was a kit cobra.

you must not get out much.

run on street tires, a cold friday night at island.

its all about the tire. perhaps you think im insinuating its the power or bragging.

just giving an example take it or leave it.

you must not get out much.

run on street tires, a cold friday night at island.

its all about the tire. perhaps you think im insinuating its the power or bragging.

just giving an example take it or leave it.

i used to watch grand nationals, mustangs and camaros....besides running my own stuff......every tuesday, friday, and saturday down at atco. sometimes sundays. funny how those things all ran 12's and faster(especially the gn's) and didn't seem to have too much trouble.

i gotta admit though.....i couldn't get the low 12's outta my gt on the street tires......but i still didn't spin half way down the track either.......i knew how to not let that happen.

they weigh 3632 base curb weight.

weighed mine stock with a 1/4 tank of gas and was 3550

weighed mine stock with a 1/4 tank of gas and was 3550

dam.....could it be options making the difference? i only ask, 'cause i took that number right from fords tech specs.......

yeah i love em, i went with the cayman because it's ease to drive "normal" with the car not in sport mode, because it feels so sluggish...and the snow performance.

do you DD yours?

ill give you an idea of how the car runs... and no i dont daily drive it. My car has a bit of wheel spin in the 50 rolls on the 2-3 shift

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EHXnDodHyw

Same races with the V and the GT with more bolt ons then mine along with a tune. Jump to 4:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x_jawBaCEA

dam.....could it be options making the difference? i only ask, 'cause i took that number right from fords tech specs.......

thats what i thought it was gonna weigh too... but it didnt. That scale is dead accurate too. No options to reduce weight from the factory. I also notice all the 5.0s weigh the same according to ford... different wheels, brakes, seats, sound systems, nav, etc...

A lid and cam 4th gen spins the tires half way down the track? LMAO!

Too used to good track prep at Cordova? LMAO :gruffy:

thats what i thought it was gonna weigh too... but it didnt. That scale is dead accurate too. No options to reduce weight from the factory. I also notice all the 5.0s weigh the same according to ford... different wheels, brakes, seats, sound systems, nav, etc...

Ya they said my base manual was 3680. Put on scale and it was actually 3540 with 1/4 fuel and shipping weight was actually 3433. A little stuff and it was down to weighing 3580 with me in it. I'm 205lbs. Seats alone have major weight. Power seats with leather weigh 84lbs. Base seats all manual weigh 47lbs. Rear seats are about 14lb difference. Manual tranny.to auto think was like 100lbs cause of tranny cooler and lines.

Ya they said my base manual was 3680. Put on scale and it was actually 3540 with 1/4 fuel. A little stuff and it was down to weighing 3580 with me in it. I'm 205lbs. Seats alone have major weight. Power seats with leather weigh 84lbs. Base seats all manual weigh 47lbs. Rear seats are about 14lb difference. Manual tranny.to auto think was like 100lbs cause of tranny cooler and lines.

I should be able to drop a solid 200 lbs out of it with just changing mods. Driveshaft, wheels, tires, headers (no cats from factory cats), front cradle and a arms. Wheels and tires alone will drop 110lbs. Im 160lbs. Race weight of 3450 in something that should make around 450whp (my dyno, makes roughly 405 now), should be a pretty stout setup. In addition to all the "go fast" tricks ;)

I should be able to drop a solid 200 lbs out of it with just changing mods. Driveshaft, wheels, tires, headers (no cats from factory cats), front cradle and a arms. Wheels and tires alone will drop 110lbs. Im 160lbs. Race weight of 3450 in something that should make around 450whp (my dyno, makes roughly 405 now), should be a pretty stout setup. In addition to all the "go fast" tricks ;)

You can swap brakes for an easy weight drop. They drop 30lbs from stock GT brakes and think it was like 50 over brembo's. Wheels was huge for me. My weld RTS wheels weidid let me drop about 100lbs.

You can swap brakes for an easy weight drop. They drop 30lbs from stock GT brakes and think it was like 50 over brembo's. Wheels was huge for me. My weld RTS wheels weidid let me drop about 100lbs.

i like the brakes.. not turning it into a straight line only car. I would have bought a GT if that was the case. i like my turns and stuff too

i like the brakes.. not turning it into a straight line only car. I would have bought a GT if that was the case. i like my turns and stuff too

i like the brembo's on my gt a LOT.

and yea....i see your point about ford reporting them all the same weight......i would have to imagine the 19's that come with the brembo package must weigh a bit more than the standard 18's......and the calipers & rotors gotta be heavier too.......

i won't be doing anything intended to lighten my car though. when i get around to hitting the track with her.....she runs what she runs at her weight. if i don't like it, i'll add power.

i like the brembo's on my gt a LOT.

and yea....i see your point about ford reporting them all the same weight......i would have to imagine the 19's that come with the brembo package must weigh a bit more than the standard 18's......and the calipers & rotors gotta be heavier too.......

i won't be doing anything intended to lighten my car though. when i get around to hitting the track with her.....she runs what she runs at her weight. if i don't like it, i'll add power.

yea im not doing anything to my car to PULL weight.. but what im installing happens to drop a lot of weight as a bonus

i like the brembo's on my gt a LOT.

and yea....i see your point about ford reporting them all the same weight......i would have to imagine the 19's that come with the brembo package must weigh a bit more than the standard 18's......and the calipers & rotors gotta be heavier too.......

i won't be doing anything intended to lighten my car though. when i get around to hitting the track with her.....she runs what she runs at her weight. if i don't like it, i'll add power.

That pretty much how i feel. I am not dropping weight with anything but exhuast and soem suspension. I can't justify spending $1000 on a new K member and a arms to drop 30lbs. So I will not do it. I am full weight and actually heavier with bloer on it and with the bigger rims tires then it had stock. But that ok. I have enough power to make up for it. I also said screw swapping rims/tires for track only. How I drive it every day is how i take it to track and run it. why be like ya i ran a XXX but i swapped these rims and tires on it. So what you can be slower on the street.

That pretty much how i feel. I am not dropping weight with anything but exhuast and soem suspension. I can't justify spending $1000 on a new K member and a arms to drop 30lbs. So I will not do it. I am full weight and actually heavier with bloer on it and with the bigger rims tires then it had stock. But that ok. I have enough power to make up for it. I also said screw swapping rims/tires for track only. How I drive it every day is how i take it to track and run it. why be like ya i ran a XXX but i swapped these rims and tires on it. So what you can be slower on the street.

ill be running my weld rts wheels front and back on the street :)

its not uncommon. congrats on not having that issue.

Maybe because I can drive. :D

ill be running my weld rts wheels front and back on the street :)

I did that for a while. But handling is compromised if running shinnies up front along with braking.

I did that for a while. But handling is compromised if running shinnies up front along with braking.

yep. when i had my 89, i drove it on the bfg drag radials, 'cause i didn't want to go to the track, and do any work to have my fun. she handled better than i had expected on those, but yes......it did hurt the handling.

dam.....could it be options making the difference? i only ask, 'cause i took that number right from fords tech specs.......

I never ever trust what those websites say. You take it to a weigh station and get the actual prinout and there is no question. Those weigh stations are calibrated daily or weekly in most cases, because truckers can't afford to be over their weight, they are usually accurate within 20 lbs, give or take.

The GM spec site I found said my Camaro weighs 3,500 lbs bone dry with no options. My car is fully loaded with all the fluids and a 1/4 tank, weighed 3,440. Only $6 to weigh it.

ill be running my weld rts wheels front and back on the street :)

Your Mustang weighs 3,470 lbs? Did you reduce weight on it? That's a lot lighter for a new 'Stang than I would have guessed!

Your Mustang weighs 3,470 lbs? Did you reduce weight on it? That's a lot lighter for a new 'Stang than I would have guessed!

He has a boss. And it really isn't heavy. As said my manual GT base was only 3540.

I run 12.8 on my wideband. I don't need to manually shift, I have manual mode setup to shift at 6200. Nothing wrong with the car...lol. it picked up .5 with Lts and Cai. Roman ur car makes prolly only 15 HP less than mine, not near as much difference as you'd think. You have no cats, no resonatot, no mufflers. I have the resonator and stock mufflers still. About 75 percent of header gains is from ditching the factory cats. And the Cai isn't worth much, I dynoed a car today that picked up 6rwhp from a Cai. The factory induction on these gen5s is pretty good.

As for the correction, all I am saying is if I ran at ur track the same night as u with negative da, it would have went 12.1 to 12.2. The record for an l99 with Cai,Lts and tune is 12.2 in good air. I'm right there with that.

Nice kill. Any thing can happen on the street. Need to get another run on video.

Dyno numbers arent always were it matters. And long tubes gains is close to 20hp and what CAI are you using

Airaid intake

Maybe because I can drive. :D

Ur cool

Ur cool

U no it.

Airaid intake

Should of gone with a varaam. They are known to pick up in the 1320 pretty good

Should of gone with a varaam. They are known to pick up in the 1320 pretty good

My car lost a tenth stock at the track with a vararam with better weather and a few hundred miles of learning. Also, the damn neck creased, after the 2nd warranty I sold it.
Rotofab FTW.

My car lost a tenth stock at the track with a vararam with better weather and a few hundred miles of learning. Also, the damn neck creased, after the 2nd warranty I sold it.
Rotofab FTW.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114900&highlight=vararam

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114900&highlight=vararam

Already seen that and he sells them. My opinion is the stock airbox can't be bested for a stock engine and an aftermarket gains nothing UNLESS tuned for it.

Already seen that and he sells them. My opinion is the stock airbox can't be bested for a stock engine and an aftermarket gains nothing UNLESS tuned for it.

I dont think he tuned it. He just slapped it on with the programmer

I dont think he tuned it. He just slapped it on with the programmer

We can do this all day, maybe he had great gains from slapping it on and leaning the stock tune out and gained a few tenths. Who knows? I was just relaying my experiance, I'm not John Force but have raced since the early 80's and had the car running 13.0 consistant in 100 heat and after the vararam the next week it ran 13 teens in 90 heat. Take it for what is worth.

Already seen that and he sells them. My opinion is the stock airbox can't be bested for a stock engine and an aftermarket gains nothing UNLESS tuned for it.

i'm trying to remember from when i was looking at my buddy's 6 banger 2010.....don't the camaros already pick up their air right behind the center of the grill? if so, it seems to me that that'd be pretty hard to improve on.