Gears & Axles - Daughter's 2001 Chevy Camaro T-Boned




Simpleaim
03-31-2012, 02:41 PM
Hello All!

Newbie here and I'm trying to help my daughter out with this but I'm not not very familiar with rear end suspension damage. Here's the story. Last Saturday night my daughter pulled out in front of someone and was t-boned in the left rear right behind the driner's door, pushing her 180 degrees.

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/Simpleaim/_DSC5231---Web.jpg

It looks to me like her rear swat bar is bent. Here's the left side:

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/Simpleaim/_DSC5223---Web.jpg

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/Simpleaim/_DSC5220---Web.jpg

Here's what it looks from the right side:

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/Simpleaim/_DSC5227---Web.jpg

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/Simpleaim/_DSC5229---Web.jpg

This picture is a close up of the left rear:

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/Simpleaim/_DSC5237---Web.jpg

I'm not exactly sure what other damage there could be but so far I'm thinking sway bar but can someone tell me what else I should be looking for? I should note that when I drove it home, I was hearing all kinds of rattling and noises coming from the left rear. Also when I push down and the left rear, you can hear rattling.

Thank you,


tt383lt1
03-31-2012, 02:43 PM
u need to get the frame mesured and pulled i garanty its not straite you have to have the whole frame within 3 mm of spec and there 25mm in a inch

and start from there
amd are you trying to fix that 1/4 panel or replace it? the right way would be replace it but i would try to fix it if i was you. and that door jam is going to be a pain to get lined up good without replaing it

and this car is totalled right or was it not clamed through insurance

Simpleaim
03-31-2012, 02:48 PM
Thank you but aren't Camaros unibody? She owns the car outright so she only has liability so we'll probably just try to fix the 1/4 panel. Daughters! Go figure.


tt383lt1
03-31-2012, 02:50 PM
i meant unibody sorry not frame..
unibody have to be within 3mm
full frames have to be within 5mm
are you good at filler or welding

and you can do cross measurements with a friend to see if it straite just make sure to have it on the smae excact spots fro on side to the other.. mesure sway bar unibody ect and tell you if there bent

Simpleaim
03-31-2012, 02:51 PM
Not at all at filler or welding.

Simpleaim
03-31-2012, 02:55 PM
How would I do that?

Thank you,

tt383lt1
03-31-2012, 03:01 PM
find two spots ( bolts/ holes) on each side of the car make sure there in the same spots for one side to the other. some what in the middle of the car ( they use them to measue on a mesure system but you can do it by hand and a tape mesure) and then go to the rear and find another two spots and mesure them going in a x patern from thr driver hole in the middle of the car to the passanger side rear spot and =do the same the other way and they should be within 3mm if not the frame has to be pulled ( if you dont have the same spots holes/ bolts you wont get the same mesurement. and do the same with the sway bar ect.

Simpleaim
03-31-2012, 03:07 PM
Thank you.

01ssreda4
03-31-2012, 04:37 PM
I would take it to a frame shop and have them check the specs and straighten if necessary. I would think the sway bar would be fine but the lower control arms would need to be replaced.

Simpleaim
03-31-2012, 04:44 PM
Thank you.

tillery
03-31-2012, 05:53 PM
The PHB looks bent. Classifieds usually have many stock parts dirt cheap.

heymoej
03-31-2012, 06:05 PM
i think i have a set of stock lower control arms & panhard bar.......

you can have them,but i dont know what shipping would be?

good luck!

Simpleaim
03-31-2012, 07:29 PM
Thank you heymoej! That is very generous.

Simpleaim
03-31-2012, 07:46 PM
I just snapped this one.

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/Simpleaim/Left-Rear-LCA---Web.jpg

This is the left rear with me taking the picture aimed towards the rear. Do this look pretty bad?

Thank you,

heymoej
03-31-2012, 11:16 PM
that LCA is broke..........
and the houseing for the LCA looks bent in as well as where that shock mounts.
you could try to straighten the houseing for the LCA & hope for the best with a different LCA in there.?.?

or if you took out that hole rear end & replaced it with another 10 bolt that is straight it will give you something to work with to get the rest of the car squared back up........

01ssreda4
04-01-2012, 01:59 AM
Yep, broke. Those things are basically given away around here so sourcing a new pair wont be expensive. If you want new stuff look into Founders fixed length tubular LCAs. I think they are about $60 new for the pair.

Simpleaim
04-01-2012, 10:10 AM
Thank you.

heymoej - A new rear end? Wow! Pretty expensive? She probably can't afford that and I know I can't. Would new housings and lca get her by safely or are the housings part of the axle tubes?

Thank you

heymoej
04-01-2012, 12:41 PM
Thank you.

heymoej - A new rear end? Wow! Pretty expensive? She probably can't afford that and I know I can't. Would new housings and lca get her by safely or are the housings part of the axle tubes?

Thank you

the tubes & housing are pressed together & then plug welded.the brackets for the lca,shock mounts & panhard bar are welded onto the tubes.these mounts all mount to the car body & need to be close for the car to track properly.......

if your brackets are bent then nothing will line up correctly
(lca,panhard & body mounts) & wear out faster if you did use them the way they are.

a used 10 bolt is around $300..........you might beable to find one that is blown for much cheaper & transfer your good parts into it,just an idea.

if you knew what was good & what was bad with what you have now............

first,
that lca is trash.the other might be good.?.?
the mount welded on that tube looks bent.?.?
we dont know if your axle on the side that was hit is still good.?.?
and hope the lsd is still good.?.?
the panhard bar is good or bad.?.?

i would start dissmantling it,lca's & panhard & compare to another set or post some pics......

is it a v6 auto car?

good luck!

Simpleaim
04-01-2012, 01:02 PM
Thank you heymoej.

Yes it is a v6 auto. I guess $300 isn't that bad. I just ordered an lca and panhard set from Founders.

I've got to go buy the right sockets and wrenches to take this off. All I've got are smaller sae. No mm.

What's an lsd?

Thank you

Simpleaim
04-01-2012, 01:18 PM
One other question.

Does the 10 bolt rear end have to be out of a 2001 Camaro 3.8L?

Thank you,

I_Need_Land
04-01-2012, 01:23 PM
i have a complete set of stock lower control arms, and that panhard bar that goes across the rear, id sell for cheap. 50 bucks + shipping. i will also throw in a rear sway bar, bolts, and mounts.

I_Need_Land
04-01-2012, 01:24 PM
doh. missed the part where you just ordered the lcas/panhard.

Simpleaim
04-01-2012, 01:58 PM
Sorry but I appreciate the offer.

Thank you,

heymoej
04-01-2012, 02:05 PM
Thank you heymoej.

Yes it is a v6 auto. I guess $300 isn't that bad. I just ordered an lca and panhard set from Founders.

I've got to go buy the right sockets and wrenches to take this off. All I've got are smaller sae. No mm.

What's an lsd?

Thank you


lsd= limited slip differential,just a quick way of saying differential.
you might have an open diff in a v6 car?
i dont really know?

Simpleaim
04-01-2012, 04:05 PM
From what I can gather from looking at the RPO codes it looks like it's just the open, there wasn't the G80 code, just the GU6. Would this make a difference as far as damage to the diff?

Thank you,

heymoej
04-01-2012, 04:14 PM
One other question.

Does the 10 bolt rear end have to be out of a 2001 Camaro 3.8L?

Thank you,

any 98-02 rear end should bolt right in..............
but the rear end gear could be different in the one you buy,a4 rear ends could be 2.73 to 3.23 & m6 cars 3.42 geared from the factory.
also could be a posi diff in the v8 rear ends.

i am guessing that you have 2.73 gear in your car?

i am not sure but i think 93-97 might be direct bolt in too .?.?

then you have 3 channel or 4 channel,and right now i cant remember how that works.......duh.
3 channel abs,4 channel traction control????????

these guys on here are well edjucated & always willing to help,so if i got something wrong here.....please chime in.i have been dealing with 9" lately & some of this 10 bolt stuff is evading my memory banks..........

sometimes i forget more than i think i know,its hell gettin old.lol.

i have a couple daughters too and been through what your going through......

good luck!

Simpleaim
04-01-2012, 04:33 PM
Thanks heymoej. It's good to hear someone else has daughter car trouble! It's actually a 3.42 gear.

Thank for your help!

Ellsworth
04-01-2012, 04:53 PM
Pics of Daughter or no more help :hump:

Ruthless909
04-01-2012, 04:58 PM
^^^ lolz




:chug:

Simpleaim
04-01-2012, 05:12 PM
HaHa. Sorry.

01ssreda4
04-01-2012, 10:20 PM
Stick with your body style for a rear end replacement. Brakes are different for 93-97 and 98-02. v6 rears will typically have open diffs while all V8s are posi-trac units. A v8/m6 car would have a 3.42 and a posi-trac. That's what I would look for if I had to replace it. If you change gear ratios you will have to fool with a speedo re-calibration. Since I'm sure v6s did not have traction control you should have a 3 channel rear with one speed sensor located on the center section, on top, just slightly towards the driver side. That will 100% confirm a 3 channel rear. I would source another 3 channel so its a direct bolt in. Its a shame bc I just threw one away, I would have been happy to give it away.

SStolen
04-02-2012, 05:49 AM
That repair is going to be expensive and hard to get straight and may never be the same. You might consider walking away to be honest. My gf (female drivers:rolleyes:) had a much less drastic impact (didn't push the suspension/rear or damage the door/door jam) and it was still almost $3k after frame work, a new quarter, paint, etc. It drives fine but we both noticed right away that it was way noisier than before and the car smelled like weld for a month, lol.

With what you have with door damage plus the door jam plus the suspension and rearend damage, I wouldn't even attempt to repair it unless you have the utmost faith in the repair shop. It may look fixed but may never drive the same again.

Simpleaim
04-02-2012, 07:09 PM
Thank you 01ssreda4!

Simpleaim
04-02-2012, 07:11 PM
Thank you SStolen. I understand what you're saying but she paid $4K for this car and only had liability on it. Believe me, I tried to talk her out of buying this but daughters are daughters.