View Full Version : C6, C6Z or ZL1


PEACE144
03-31-2012, 10:46 PM
Okay well im looking for some input on what car i should get out of the three.
The C6 is a 2006 and has a recently built 402 putting about 550 to the wheels with no expense spared on the internals that also has the ZR1 widebody on it for 35,000, or a 2008 to 2009 ZO6 that can be had for 50 to 60,000 or of course the new camaro ZL1

battousai
03-31-2012, 10:47 PM
if you can get a 2012 ZL1, get it

ProMaroZ
04-01-2012, 01:14 AM
Either of the vettes. Faster cars for the money. The Camaro is big and heavy. If you like working on your cars then get the 06. If you like a factory pristine driver, then go with the 08 or 09 Z.

Covert 405
04-01-2012, 07:55 AM
Toss up between the Z06 and the ZL1 for me. I'd probably lean towards a ZL1 since I already have a Vette. Three fun choices either way.

How about the Z06 Centennial Edition?

http://autoweek.com/galleryimage/CW/20120117/CARNEWS/117009999/PH/1/9/Centennial-Edition-Corvette-Z06.jpg

Larry
04-01-2012, 09:09 AM
An automatic ZL1 with a converter, pulley upgrade for more boost, headers, a tune and maybe a diet might hang pretty close to the others. And then you have a new car. I would go for the ZL1 but wait until the 2013 model.

The 2006 for $35K will probably run very good but then again it's a 6 year old car.

Detoxx03
04-01-2012, 12:49 PM
I wouldn't pay 35K for a 2006 considering I got my 2008 for 29K. If your gonna get a base model get atleast a LS3 otherwise get a Z06.

battousai
04-01-2012, 01:44 PM
I would go for the ZL1 but wait until the 2013 model..

i wouldn't, the 12's are going to be rare, better value down the road.

PEACE144
04-01-2012, 03:11 PM
Thats what i was looking at is the value. Right now i have a 02 SS w/ H&C and have thought about just building it but again its a 10 year old car. The 06 is my dads car and runs great, like probably a 10 sec car if i had to guess but its still just a base model and i know a Z06 will hold its value better

marc97taws6
04-01-2012, 04:46 PM
I wouldn't pay 35K for a 2006 considering I got my 2008 for 29K. If your gonna get a base model get atleast a LS3 otherwise get a Z06.
Ls2 still has a lot of power potential. LS3 is just a better motor out of the box.

I wouldn't mind either of the three.

PEACE144
04-02-2012, 12:59 PM
Ls2 still has a lot of power potential. LS3 is just a better motor out of the box.

I wouldn't mind either of the three.

That's what I think to, the c6 is my dads and he trapped 102 in the 1/8 with a 2.xx 60ft so I know it can run and he was shifting at 5500

Sneakyws6
04-02-2012, 09:43 PM
I would go the C6 Z06 route and never look back. With a CAI, headers, tune the C6 Z06 will put down 450rwhp+ with ease. At 3200lbs that means the 4100lb ZL1 is going to need alot of work and HP to overcome that weight.

More so if you are on the track at all. Lighter is better in the end, plus the Z06 brakes are a better setup over the Zl1 as well.

marc97taws6
04-03-2012, 01:15 AM
Only "downside" of Z06 (at least to me - I like cruising with top off) is the lack of a targa roof

JC70SS
04-03-2012, 03:57 PM
06. Top off, built motor and a lot less cash. Screw the camaro. Ugly and heavy.

PEACE144
04-03-2012, 08:58 PM
well i am torn between my dads 06 and a Zo6, i have always been a camaro guy but i really dont like being beat especially if i fork out 55 to 60 grand for a ZL1 and get beat. I know the 06 will easily outrun a Zo6 and looks like a ZR1 but in the end its still a C6

CySevans
04-04-2012, 09:38 AM
Only "downside" of Z06 (at least to me - I like cruising with top off) is the lack of a targa roof

I thought I'd miss it when I went from my 2006 Coupe to the Z06, but windows down and listening to that 427 engine with the exhaust butterflies open will make you forget about it real quick. :D

marc97taws6
04-04-2012, 02:35 PM
well i am torn between my dads 06 and a Zo6, i have always been a camaro guy but i really dont like being beat especially if i fork out 55 to 60 grand for a ZL1 and get beat. I know the 06 will easily outrun a Zo6 and looks like a ZR1 but in the end its still a C6
Your call at the end of the day. I have a hard time considering buying a new car unless if you can get enough cash off because they are just going to drop in value after you drive it off the lot - maybe the ZL1 would do better with that though since it is rarer
I thought I'd miss it when I went from my 2006 Coupe to the Z06, but windows down and listening to that 427 engine with the exhaust butterflies open will make you forget about it real quick. :D
Haha, that is why I put "downside", because there really is no actual downside to the z06. Lighter weight, and butterfly valves on an LS7 :eek2:
:hump:

Sneakyws6
04-05-2012, 09:38 AM
I really wanted a Z06, just could not get over the price jump right now with being in school. Maybe once I graduate here in a couple of weeks and hopefully can find a position in my company that i can get an interview for and get offered a position I can think about the Z06 down the road.

In the end either the C6 or Z06 will be worlds ahead of the Camaro. The heftyness of the Camaro is it's real downside as of now.

Shortz1lla
04-07-2012, 08:05 PM
I really wanted a Z06, just could not get over the price jump right now with being in school. Maybe once I graduate here in a couple of weeks and hopefully can find a position in my company that i can get an interview for and get offered a position I can think about the Z06 down the road.

In the end either the C6 or Z06 will be worlds ahead of the Camaro. The heftyness of the Camaro is it's real downside as of now.

Heftyness? It pulls 1g on the skidpad and hits 60 in 3.7! If you want a Vette, get one but how many ZL1s do you think they're going to make for 2012 model year? If you want the fastest, most powerful production Camaro EVER, with the highest likely resale value long-term, get a ZL1.

danieloneil01
04-08-2012, 09:25 PM
35k for an '06 base with aftermarket parts, no thanks. 50-60k for an 08-09 Z, again no thanks. ZL1 is in GT500 territory and it looks better inside and out. But just my opinion.

Dark SS
04-08-2012, 11:15 PM
Z06, C6 then ZL1 is my order. The ZL1 is a lot of hype but in the end it will be too heavy to be a great performer. The GS is just about as fast as it so the Z06 is faster. The only way I would get the ZL1 was if I had to have a back seat. I was a Camaro guy through and through until I owned a 5th gen. For 55k it's over priced compared to a used Z06.

marc97taws6
04-09-2012, 02:50 AM
Z06, C6 then ZL1 is my order. The ZL1 is a lot of hype but in the end it will be too heavy to be a great performer. The GS is just about as fast as it so the Z06 is faster. The only way I would get the ZL1 was if I had to have a back seat. I was a Camaro guy through and through until I owned a 5th gen. For 55k it's over priced compared to a used Z06.

If a back seat was an issue, I'd pick up a used 09+ CTS-V. Larger backseat, nearly same 1/4 performance, cheaper.

PEACE144
04-10-2012, 08:08 AM
Im kind of leaning toward the c6 if I can get it from my dad at 30,000 just for the fact that it is faster than the other two and I know of course I could mod the other two but then I have no warranty, and I want to go fast

ysb02
04-10-2012, 08:24 AM
Heftyness?

It's a 2-ton pig. There's three rules to handling:

1) Weight
2) Weight
3) Weight

marc97taws6
04-10-2012, 04:07 PM
Im kind of leaning toward the c6 if I can get it from my dad at 30,000 just for the fact that it is faster than the other two and I know of course I could mod the other two but then I have no warranty, and I want to go fast

Well thankfully if you are getting it from your dad, you kind of know maintenance. And $30k for a modded C6? Life could be much worse haha

B'klyn9C1
04-10-2012, 05:41 PM
It's a 2-ton pig. There's three rules to handling:

1) Weight
2) Weight
3) Weight

You obviously have not heard of the Nissan GTR which does 3.2 sec 0-60 times and 7:24 at the Nurburgring! The ZL1 does the Ring at 7:41 with a 6L90E auto no less!!!

Lots of power, a high tech drivetrain and a high tech suspension can and does overcome two tons of weight.

If you want three cars that match your "weight, weight weight" axiom you have the Lotus Elise, the Subaru BRZ and the Caterham 7.

SAPS
04-10-2012, 06:34 PM
You obviously have not heard of the Nissan GTR which does 3.2 sec 0-60 times and 7:24 at the Nurburgring! The ZL1 does the Ring at 7:41 with a 6L90E auto no less!!!

Lots of power, a high tech drivetrain and a high tech suspension can and does overcome two tons of weight.

If you want three cars that match your "weight, weight weight" axiom you have the Lotus Elise, the Subaru BRZ and the Caterham 7.

GTR first and foremost has AWD and launch control - both or which are KEY to 0-60 time.

B'klyn9C1
04-10-2012, 10:22 PM
GTR first and foremost has AWD and launch control - both or which are KEY to 0-60 time.

And your point is??????

ysb02 stated that a 4000 LBS car cannot handle. My point is that with modern technology a 4000 LBS can and does in fact handle quite well even as well as any sports cars. Even two ton porkers like the Skyline GTR and the Camaro ZL1.

Isn't technology grand?!?!?!?!?

BTW Doesn't most C6 Vettes now come with launch and traction control???

Shortz1lla
04-11-2012, 09:51 AM
It's a 2-ton pig. There's three rules to handling:

1) Weight
2) Weight
3) Weight

Funny, take a look at a hyundai accent. All about weight savings right? It's about weight DISTRIBUTION, technology, and center of gravity, weight is important, but it certainly is not the only determining factor. As I said, the ZL1 pulls 1g, pretty goddamn impressive for a "2-ton pig."

Dark SS
04-11-2012, 02:28 PM
You obviously have not heard of the Nissan GTR which does 3.2 sec 0-60 times and 7:24 at the Nurburgring! The ZL1 does the Ring at 7:41 with a 6L90E auto no less!!!

Lots of power, a high tech drivetrain and a high tech suspension can and does overcome two tons of weight.

If you want three cars that match your "weight, weight weight" axiom you have the Lotus Elise, the Subaru BRZ and the Caterham 7.

No it doesn't. Watch the video, it's a manual. Look at how much horsepower it takes to make that fat piece of crap respectable. IMO a Camaro that weighs 4200 lbs. and costs over $50K, isn't a Camaro. Track times are impressive but only slightly better than a Grand Sport with 150 less HP. Weight is an issue, you can try to hide it but you can't make it go away.

B'klyn9C1
04-11-2012, 06:36 PM
No it doesn't. Watch the video, it's a manual. Look at how much horsepower it takes to make that fat piece of crap respectable. IMO a Camaro that weighs 4200 lbs. and costs over $50K, isn't a Camaro. Track times are impressive but only slightly better than a Grand Sport with 150 less HP. Weight is an issue, you can try to hide it but you can't make it go away.

Yeah I saw the video Monday at the NY Auto Show. I know it is a manual. The GM factory rep said that they got a better time than 7:41 on the Ring running the 6L90e auto.

The Camaro from the 2nd Gen(1970) on was never truly a lightweight. It was always kind of on the porky side compared to the Mustang. Growing up in the 80's most guys at the track and on the street were messing with Mustang LX's b/c of the lightweight and the 302/5.0.(Or even the RWD ricers like the RX7) Not so much the Camaro. The Camaro had the advantage of the access to good cheap aftermarket Chevy power.

You think $50K is too much for a Camaro? So what do you about $50K for a Shelby GT500? The ZL1 is kind of the same concept. A high end, high tech, collectable factory tuner version of a popular ponycar. Not an entry level average Joe version like the old Mustang 5.0 LX.

You are right about the weight being an issue. Can't violate the laws of physics but you can mitigate it them to a large extent with technology. You got to admit it is pretty amazing to do sub 8 min time at the Nurburgring but smooth and docile enough to take your mother to church on Sunday and commute to work Monday through Friday!

Honey Badger
04-20-2012, 12:42 AM
My first choice would be the Z06, then the base C6, and then the ZL1.

I wouldn't trade my Z06 for anything really... well except an R8. There's nothing like it.

TransAmcoupe98
04-20-2012, 04:10 AM
C6Z>C6 LS3 or C5Z>CTS-V>LS2 C6>ZL1...thats about how that racks and stacks

B'klyn9C1
04-20-2012, 04:30 PM
My first choice would be the Z06, then the base C6, and then the ZL1.

I wouldn't trade my Z06 for anything really... well except an R8. There's nothing like it.

C6Z>C6 LS3 or C5Z>CTS-V>LS2 C6>ZL1...thats about how that racks and stacks

Bottom line is you Vette guys have little love for a high optioned high tech 5th Gen Camaro. No matter what it does objectively on the the track!

TransAmcoupe98
04-20-2012, 11:59 PM
Bottom line is you Vette guys have little love for a high optioned high tech 5th Gen Camaro. No matter what it does objectively on the the track!


I had a 5th gen, I know what they are about. Its gonna need more than a blower and some supension to help that fat bastard out. Go ahead and spend 50k+ on it, and hang door to door with a stock C5Z...and it still gets ass raped by a GT500..even earlier year ones.

Honey Badger
04-21-2012, 05:15 PM
Bottom line is you Vette guys have little love for a high optioned high tech 5th Gen Camaro. No matter what it does objectively on the the track!

My mom has a 5th gen, and I've driven several others. I'm not impressed with it. I don't like the crappy visibility, the fact it feels like a boat and how heavy it is at all. Not to mention it looks like a monster truck from the outside unless you slam it, and then it needs wheels. I mean they're nice cars, but they're not in the same league as a Corvette. I'd still rather have a GTO than a 5th gen. They just don't do it for me and they're just not as exciting to drive.

PEACE144
04-22-2012, 07:45 AM
Yea my girlfriend has a 2010 SS and I'm not impressed, my 2002 SS with heads and cam stomps her car and thats exactly why I never got one. I think I'm going with my dads c6 just for the price difference and maybe get a new ZO6 next year and at least i know i will be able to hang with a ZO6 as it sits. Lets just say that my Dad knows power and he built the motor
350635

CySevans
04-23-2012, 05:30 PM
Bottom line is you Vette guys have little love for a high optioned high tech 5th Gen Camaro. No matter what it does objectively on the the track!

There is absolutely nothing you can ever to do a Camaro to make it handle like a Vette, especially a C6Z. Sorry. Bottom line, you obviously have never owned one of these or else you wouldn't be saying that. Camaro is a different market from the Vette, so it's really moot anyway.

c5z16z
04-24-2012, 07:56 PM
before i spend 50 k on a camaro i rather spend that on the new 2013 gt500 its going to ass rape that ZL1 ,,,

bottom line go with your dads moded c6 ,, until you can get a c6 z or wait and do it right the first time get the c6 z

TransAmcoupe98
04-25-2012, 05:12 AM
C6Z....done.

Sneakyws6
04-25-2012, 09:57 AM
Sad thing is by the time I get my 2008 the way I want it I will still prob want a Z06 down the road. Hopefully once I put the Z06 brakes on the car and decide on either a SC or a cam I will grow out of the desire for a Z06 then.

CySevans
04-25-2012, 10:16 AM
Sad thing is by the time I get my 2008 the way I want it I will still prob want a Z06 down the road. Hopefully once I put the Z06 brakes on the car and decide on either a SC or a cam I will grow out of the desire for a Z06 then.

Until you drive a heads/cam Z06. :eek:

I had a 2006 Coupe for a couple of years (traded my 2003 Z06 for it). They're still very nice and very capable cars. But holy crap, this C6Z is an animal. I'm at over 550 rwhp, which may not seem like much relatively speaking, but when it's in a car that weighs less than 3200 pounds with a factory 50/50 weight distribution and 7200 RPM rev limit, it will scare the crap out of you real quick with how fast it accelerates. 60MPH in first gear. Over 100 MPH before you get out of second gear. And with the aerodynamics of the Vette, you're still pulling strong at even 160+ MPH (don't ask how I know ;)).

Just don't drive one and you'll be fine. That was my mistake. Test drove the one I own now at Corvettes of Houston when all I was after was an exhaust system for my Coupe. I couldn't sign the papers fast enough.

:cheers:

nascarnate326
04-28-2012, 06:57 AM
Until you drive a heads/cam Z06. :eek:



Very true. The sheer performance of the LS7 with the engineering that went into the C6 Z06 is mind boggling, and its a 6 year old car now.

http://youtu.be/PUTYDySmD6M

PEACE144
04-28-2012, 10:57 PM
Well I went with my dads c6 and all I can say is wow. I've driven a c6z with headers exhaust and a tune and it didn't pull as hard this car and as for my h/c the Corvette is by far a nicer car, handles better and is just better all the way around. Cant wait to see what that nice blue bottle does when I fill it up and hit it