View Full Version : Subs for double bass


Camaroking1996
04-01-2012, 04:06 PM
What are the best subs for the double/fast bass rolls of rock and metal?

V8ImpSS
04-01-2012, 07:33 PM
A JL W7 IMO, tightest, punchiest sub that still hits hard...a W6 is real nice too

Camaroking1996
04-01-2012, 07:49 PM
Any budget friendly suggestions? lol

gregrob
04-01-2012, 07:52 PM
JL 10" at the biggest. A mix of 8's and 12's would give you the broadest spectrum.

I'm running they JL 10s and it keeps up with fast double bass very well.

Camaroking1996
04-01-2012, 07:55 PM
JL 10" at the biggest. A mix of 8's and 12's would give you the broadest spectrum.

I'm running they JL 10s and it keeps up with fast double bass very well.

What model jl's? And u running 2 or 3?

V8ImpSS
04-01-2012, 07:57 PM
You do not need, nor would want, to mix different size subs in the same system. thats only going to casue issues and would sound horrible unless the 8s were being solely used as midbass speakers.

I'd look into 8w3's but just 1 of them wont hit very hard...maybe do a single 10w3

I'd go sealed if you want the sub to be as punchy as possible

gregrob
04-01-2012, 08:03 PM
You do not need, nor would want, to mix different size subs in the same system. thats only going to casue issues and would sound horrible unless the 8s were being solely used as midbass speakers.

I'd look into 8w3's but just 1 of them wont hit very hard...maybe do a single 10w3

I'd go sealed if you want the sub to be as punchy as possible


Bullshit

gregrob
04-01-2012, 08:03 PM
What model jl's? And u running 2 or 3?

I'm running 2 W1's

Camaroking1996
04-01-2012, 08:22 PM
Would you mind posting a video of how your system responds and sounds with the double bass rolls and rock music?

ghettocowboy248
04-01-2012, 09:32 PM
as said, a 10 in a sealed box would be the best for what you're looking for. the w3/w6 are both good options. the w7 isnt as tight as the w3/w6. another very good choice is the polk audio sr series. they just ended the series, so its going to be harder to get, but onlinecarstereo has the sr104 (10" single 4ohm) on clearance for $159. the polk is an extremely clean, tight sq sub. i would get this myself if my new job didnt allow me to get discounts on jl.
as far as being "budget friendly", dont let the price of jl point you away. jump on craigslist. i paid $75 for the 10w3v3 im using right now when i got it. its going in the wife's car when im ready to redo my camaro. im waiting till i can do everything at once so right now im using that in the old model ho box (upside down so the box fits in my hatch area) running off a 500/1.

Camaroking1996
04-01-2012, 09:40 PM
Im wanting to run 2 subs. And after jumping on youtube for a little bit, the 10W3's hit really hard and clean.

casper's6liter
04-01-2012, 10:26 PM
forget the 10's and 12's. Im running a 15 l7 in the trunk it does wonders lol

gregrob
04-01-2012, 10:32 PM
Would you mind posting a video of how your system responds and sounds with the double bass rolls and rock music?

It's not going to come through worth a crap on video..

Camaroking1996
04-01-2012, 10:40 PM
Casper: im not looking to shake the shit out of the car. If I was id have 2 of those lol

casper's6liter
04-01-2012, 10:53 PM
Casper: im not looking to shake the shit out of the car. If I was id have 2 of those lol
lol i know what you mean but you can only fit one 15 a amp and a capacitor in the trunk space and still cover it
http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb384/caspers6liter/100_1091.jpg

Camaroking1996
04-01-2012, 10:55 PM
This system would be going in a third gen as well so I would have a good anoumt more space than a 4th gen. Now what mono amp would yall recommend to power two 10's

casper's6liter
04-01-2012, 11:23 PM
This system would be going in a third gen as well so I would have a good anoumt more space than a 4th gen. Now what mono amp would yall recommend to power two 10's

what hu do you have? And what speaker re you going with

V8ImpSS
04-01-2012, 11:41 PM
as said, a 10 in a sealed box would be the best for what you're looking for. the w3/w6 are both good options. the w7 isnt as tight as the w3/w6.

W7 is the flagship. its tighter than a W3 by far, but its a close call compaired with a W6. some say the W7 isn't worth the extra money over the W6, I'm not one of them. The W3 is considered the SPL woofer, the W6 is considered the SQ woofer, and the W7 is considered the SQL woofer. (Sound Pressure Level, Sound Quality, Sound Quality Level (meaning louder SQ))

Bullshit

no intention of being demeaning, but you have absolutely no idea what your talking about if you think 2 different size subs in the same system would even sound good. show me even 1 picture of a system that has a sub setup with 2 different size cones and I'LL SEND YOU A 12W7 AND HD1200/1 ON THE HOUSE. (RULES: no 8" midbass driver counts as a sub, hence midbass) I can't stand when people put up bad info when they have no idea what they're saying

if you've got the cash for a pair of 10w3's, put them in a sealed box on 1000w rms and you'll have an awesome sub system, especially for what you want.

If that's too rich for your blood do a pair of 8w3's, don't be thrown by the 8" cone size, a pair of them will still hit and be even tighter than the 10s...3 8's would be really cool if you've got the room

as for amps, if you do the 2x 10s or 3x 8s options are the Alpine MRP-M1000 or MRX-M100, the MRX replaced the MRP 2 years ago but alpine still made the MRP because it was cheaper, but now the MRX-M100 was replaced by the MRX-M120 for the same price and should ship this month. the M100 should be on clearance right now.

do not pay retail prices any good dealer will cut you a nice deal if you get the subs and amp from them!

Adam1982
04-02-2012, 11:51 AM
You're only limited by your budget and how much room you wanna give up. W7's are really nice but as you've seen are a bit pricey, there are a ton of other options out there. As for a single 8 not hitting that hard, not true http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/topic/53197-sa-8-v2-spl-dual-1-testing/ Multiple 150db scores on a single SA-8, granted its not the off the shelf model, but again, that goes back to only being limited by budget and space. For a little more practical application, this will be very similar to my setup once i get the PR in, since the port length for a single 8 is rediculous. And this one is off the shelf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k6b5kx6NWY&feature=player_embedded#! . Hell i had 2 L5 12's in a subthump ttop box on a zx1500 (older model) and was very pleased with how it sounded, especially for a failry cheap setup
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x16/adam1982_album/Picture001.jpg

Camaroking1996
04-02-2012, 07:24 PM
Thank you all for your input! Now 2 more questions. What gauge wiring should be used and is a cap necessary for this?

V8ImpSS
04-02-2012, 07:44 PM
That SA-8 is a nice 8", but I've always believed in the bigger brand names and they've certainly served me well in business. I'd put the SA-8 up there with an 8w7 minus a bit of SQ.

As far as wiring goes, I use 4 guage at the minimum for sub amps and really prefer to do 0 guage on anything more than 750 watts RMS. Electricity flows like water, your alternator is the pump, so why use a small hose and limit performance and decrease longevity and durability? make sure to use quality wire, none of the Ebay or Amazon stuff! I use Stinger and JL.

As for the cap, its a common misconception that the cap will keep your sub amp from going into protect mode and all these other wonderful things. when it actually is just another drain on your charging system. Meaning Caps are only beneficial when the vehicle has an incredibly stout charging system to begin with, which, except for some diesel's, can't be said for most stock vehicles.

Even in that situation, Caps have nothing to do with keeping current flowing and voltage up, to a point. The Cap is actually conditioning the power so your amp will have less noise coming in to it, which increases efficiency a bit, lets the amp run a little cooler, and lets the system have better SQ. most newer amps have smaller capacitors built in to take car of a bit of this task. but for Caps more is always better in the right situation.

Camaroking1996
04-02-2012, 07:52 PM
So 0 gauge wire would be the best to use for this setup? And any links to where you get the wire from?

ghettocowboy248
04-02-2012, 08:07 PM
for wires check out knukonceptz. i recommend the kolossus flex series. ive used multiple brands and its the best wire ive ever used. very flexible and easy to move, and thicker than others. my brother has monster 1/0 and i have the knu, we took a spare piece of his and compared it to mine and mine was noticeably thicker. the flexibility also made it much easier to run compared to his monster.
the kord ultra flex speaker wire is the new speaker wire to match the kolossus flex. a good choice to match.

V8ImpSS
04-02-2012, 08:07 PM
if your planning on a 1000 w RMS amp with with either the 2x 10w3's or 3x 8w3's then I'd for sure use 0 guage. If your just gonna do the pair of 8's on say a 600 watt amp then 4 guage is plenty.

WhiteBird00
04-02-2012, 08:30 PM
It is not necessary to use expensive brand name power wire. Just make sure you get the gauge you are paying for - many less expensive wire suppliers "cheat" a little on their gauge measurements or use inferior insulation materials. Other than that, wire is pretty much all the same. You can get good performance out of welding cable for a fraction of the price of those fancy name brands.

The Alchemist
04-04-2012, 11:50 AM
So I'm looking to replace my JL stealthbox sub with a new sub since the original one was 12 years old and one of the voice coils wires came off.
Anyone have a good price/location for a 10W3 for it?
Thanks.

johnnyko12
04-04-2012, 03:26 PM
Op...It depends on the amp you pick. If you're thinking budget and it's probably going to be under 1000 watts 4awg is going to be fine for your wiring (and probably all the amp was made to accept anyway).

Don't even think about a cap ;-) If you install everything and you seem to be having voltage issues we can fix you right up the corrrect way.





no intention of being demeaning, but you have absolutely no idea what your talking about if you think 2 different size subs in the same system would even sound good.

thank you :-)

Camaroking1996
04-05-2012, 09:06 PM
Ya, anyone know the best place to get these at the best prices?

ghettocowboy248
04-05-2012, 10:47 PM
depends, what did you actually decide to go with? sub model and how many, and what amp?

Camaroking1996
04-05-2012, 11:04 PM
2 10w3's and alpine mrx m100

V8ImpSS
04-05-2012, 11:06 PM
nice choice give this place a call and ask for Mike (non-sponsor link removed)

ghettocowboy248
04-06-2012, 07:34 AM
dont have a chance to comparison shop, but onlinecarstereo has the amp for $269, since you would want the 4ohm subs, the subs are $169/each, or the dual w3 sealed box wired down to 2ohm final load for $500. you pay a little more for that box than buying a box yourself, but its made for those subs and built to exact spec, so you would get the best sound

The Alchemist
04-06-2012, 07:49 AM
It's funny, WhiteBird00 deleted the 'non-sponsor' link, but I'm looking at this thread right now, and the link that was there, is now in the 'AdChoices banner at the bottom of the page. So technically they aren't a board sponsor, but they pay the parent company of ls1tech.com to advertise on their websites.... pretty ironic.

WhiteBird00
04-06-2012, 12:53 PM
Actually, those banner ads are provided by Google and rotate randomly. We have no control over what businesses get put there.

Camaroking1996
04-06-2012, 02:04 PM
Why has the site began to have random ads on the page?

WhiteBird00
04-06-2012, 02:13 PM
Because Google pays for them to be there. This is a business after all.

The Alchemist
04-07-2012, 09:36 AM
Because Google pays for them to be there. This is a business after all.

So indirectly, they are a sponsor, right? If Google is a sponsor, and that company pays Google to advertise, then they are like a 3rd party sponsor right?

I know I'm barking up a tree, but I just think it's funny.

So what sponsors have the JL 10w3 in stock and can get me a price?

SlowBurn
04-08-2012, 09:58 AM
I'm suprised no one has said this. Look for Image Dynamics IDQ12's. They're better sounding than the JL's IMO and they're also cheaper. Can't go wrong with them.

Camaroking1996
04-09-2012, 02:41 PM
^^ Do they handle double bass rolls well?

And where are they cheaper than the Jl W3's? Everywhere I looked they are more expensive..