Racer's Lounge - fox body vs 4th gen

I looking at something new. Just tired of my fourth Gen. I hate how my camaro feels like a big car. It handles well and is very fast but its time for something new. I'm thinking about getting a fox body. Specifically a vert. I just love how a foxbody vert looks. It will have ls power down the road whatever I get. My biggest question is how do they handle (feel wise) compared to a 4th Gen. Has anyone gone from a 4th Gen to a fox?

Foxes are good drag cars and autocross cars. They arent "drivers" they are a cheapy put together cars. They rattle, the carpet from the factory comes right out, back seat out in 2 clicks, dash is 4 bolts. Etc. They are a cheap car thats 20 plus years old now. Dont get it to drive around town. They are toys.

Its like a DD fun car like my camaro is. I can handle some rattles and squeeks just wonder how it feels. Do they feel like a smaller car Compared to a 4th Gen? A 4th Gen feels massive to me and I'm 6'2

Fox bodys arent really that much smaller looking honestly. I think you are looking for a Mazda Miata lol. But in all seriousness what david said is right. If you are going to ever drive the Foxbody any distance at all its not really what you want. You should save for a corvette if you want small and good:D

id build an ls1 miata if your looking for a cool little project, the ones i have seen trap 120 with a bone stock ls1 and of course they handle really well.

I can't imagine a 20+ year old convertible car handling better than a 4th gen

I looking at something new. Just tired of my fourth Gen. I hate how my camaro feels like a big car. It handles well and is very fast but its time for something new. I'm thinking about getting a fox body. Specifically a vert. I just love how a foxbody vert looks. It will have ls power down the road whatever I get. My biggest question is how do they handle (feel wise) compared to a 4th Gen. Has anyone gone from a 4th Gen to a fox?

i love my mustangs, if you've read any of my posts, you know that already.

that being said.......fox body convertibles suck big time. they rattle, they flex, and they leak. if someone gave me one of them, i'd sell it, and buy something else.

I was also thing of a fc build. That would lighten it up a lot and they handle great.

HINT: Get a THIRDGEN!




-put alil work init-

I liked how my 98 Mustang GT handled over how my Z28 handles, but it was lowered and had poly bushings n such. I'm lowering my Z in the next week so I hope that helps a bit.

I dunno, I mean....couldn't you weld on SFC's, beef up the suspension, put in nice seats and have a better than new ride?

I liked how my 98 Mustang GT handled over how my Z28 handles, but it was lowered and had poly bushings n such. I'm lowering my Z in the next week so I hope that helps a bit.

That's my personal opinion as well, and my 2V is with the stock suspension, although I'd say the car is super-tail-happy; not the case with the 4th Gen...

I love driving my LSx swap Fox on the street. Feels somewhat smaller than my GTO.

HINT: Get a THIRDGEN!


Always wanted an Iroc. No room for decent exhaust.


I love driving my LSx swap Fox on the street. Feels somewhat smaller than my GTO.

How does it feel compared to a 4th gen? Any experience?

I'm thinking about getting a fox body. Specifically a vert. I just love how a foxbody vert looks.

Rightfully so...shit's the bomb.

http://jake.tnmccoys.com/misc/topdown.gif

I wouldn't daily drive mine... but talk about extremely cheap to work on (relative of course)

I know it has been said in the past... but the fox bodies look like escorts. That alone is enough to turn me away from them :jest:

I always thought thirdgen's had a better suspension setup for handling.

For less money you can go faster with a fox in a straight line, though.

However with 20 year old cars come 20 year old car problems.

That's true. So many different ways that you can customize a fox also appeals to me. I don't what I'm going to do. Lol.

HINT: Get a THIRDGEN!

http://www.amcarguide.com/wp-content/gallery/firebird-c3/1987-pontiac-firebird-trans-am-front.jpg

This > Escort

i will say that the handling of the stock car compared to the 4th gen should be garbage.

and it will be slow, and have a cassette player, free-on, leaks, dead folding top motors, etc.

but if you want it dude go for it. Hell i want a 60s musclecar and if i found one it would have a shitton of problems. Doesnt mean id love it any less.

also...in my hometown.....there lurks a foxbody.....with a drag setup and supposedly a bit over 500hp.... i think he has a supercharger.

i want to race him and see but im never there.

Basically i went back to my highschool one day and talked to the shop teacher. said i prolly had the fastest car out there now.

some little dick 9th grader goes and gets this fucking beast with its roll cage and skinnies.

MutherF***ker. he would probably win though...

If you find you a fox body with relatively lower miles on it that has been taken care of, they are great cars to own/drive.

I had one back around 2001. It was an 89 LX I bought with 60k miles on it from a friend who had owned it since 23k miles. It was in almost mint condition at the time. The only mods he had done to it were 373 gears and a short throw shifter. I eventually added sub-frame connectors, lowering springs, SPEC clutch, pullies, headers, offroad H, flowmasters, a Trickflow upper/lower intake, 73mm MAF, 65mm TB, a mild Crane Cam and eventually a nitrous system. I don't think a single item I purchased for it besides the intake, nitrous and clutch was over $200.

It ran lower 13's on motor (stock heads) and deep 12's at 114mph on a NOS 5115 dry kit.

The a/c blew cold and the car was practically indestructible. I did end up having to rebuild the T-5 transmission in it. Those are the weak point in the cars.

With that said, I'd daily drive one as long as it was in good condition and had a/c and heat and wasn't some blown/stroked racecar that required constant attention.

Here's a picture of the 89 I used to own. Don't knock the cobra emblems. The nitrous purge was routed to their mouths.:devil:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i249/ross87t/89lx02.jpg

4th gen handling> Fox body handling
used to ride around in a fox body and that thing was a pain in the ass to get back whenever the ass end started sliding around.

also...in my hometown.....there lurks a foxbody.....with a drag setup and supposedly a bit over 500hp.... i think he has a supercharger.

i want to race him and see but im never there.

Basically i went back to my highschool one day and talked to the shop teacher. said i prolly had the fastest car out there now.

some little dick 9th grader goes and gets this fucking beast with its roll cage and skinnies.

MutherF***ker. he would probably win though...
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/17909108.jpg

my 83 mustang was fairly unpredictable. not too hard to recover though. my 89 mustang was VERY predictable. and also very easy to recover.

4th gen handling> Fox body handling
used to ride around in a fox body and that thing was a pain in the ass to get back whenever the ass end started sliding around.


Short wheelbase will rotate more quickly.

Only way I think you should go for a Fox is if you are committed to swapping an LS into it. Other than that... don't bother picking one up and keeping the POS 5.slow. Great looking cars, they just have no balls.

Foxes are good drag cars and autocross cars. They arent "drivers" they are a cheapy put together cars. They rattle, the carpet from the factory comes right out, back seat out in 2 clicks, dash is 4 bolts. Etc. They are a cheap car thats 20 plus years old now. Dont get it to drive around town. They are toys.

Where did you get your information from? None of that is even remotely close, especially the dash. :jest:

OP, having owned 3 cars of each, here is what I can tell you about foxes.

They're cheap. The parts for these cars use to be REAL cheap, but having sold my 92 LX 7 months ago and picked up my 01 SS, I don't think the aftermarket is really that much cheaper then the LS1 stuff for me to want to mod a fox anymore. Especially power gain vs cost.

Obviously the fox bodies are easy to make quick/fast in a straight line. Nothing different than most cars out there. Heads/cam/intake/exhaust/suspension and maybe even a power adder with supporting mods.

If you plan on cutting corners, its going to be tougher because you'll want to get rid of the piss poor upper control arm 4 link setup and either do 1. poor mans 3 link (get rid of one of the upper control arms and add a pan hard bar) or 2. Get rid of the upper control arms all together and add a torque arm/phb combo. Maximum motorsports is your best friend. Not the cheapest, but designed and manufactured here in the USofA and many people run their parts w/o any issues.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me. I had just so much fun to completely take out the interior of my last fox, repaint the interior/add carpet/etc.

Always wanted an Iroc. No room for decent exhaust.




How does it feel compared to a 4th gen? Any experience?

No room for decent exhaust? Your a idiot....






Buy a hardtop third gen. Do susp mods. Foxes aren't really setup to handle well. The susp on the thirdgen is better.

Where did you get your information from? None of that is even remotely close, especially the dash. :jest:

OP, having owned 3 cars of each, here is what I can tell you about foxes.

They're cheap. The parts for these cars use to be REAL cheap, but having sold my 92 LX 7 months ago and picked up my 01 SS, I don't think the aftermarket is really that much cheaper then the LS1 stuff for me to want to mod a fox anymore. Especially power gain vs cost.

Obviously the fox bodies are easy to make quick/fast in a straight line. Nothing different than most cars out there. Heads/cam/intake/exhaust/suspension and maybe even a power adder with supporting mods.

If you plan on cutting corners, its going to be tougher because you'll want to get rid of the piss poor upper control arm 4 link setup and either do 1. poor mans 3 link (get rid of one of the upper control arms and add a pan hard bar) or 2. Get rid of the upper control arms all together and add a torque arm/phb combo. Maximum motorsports is your best friend. Not the cheapest, but designed and manufactured here in the USofA and many people run their parts w/o any issues.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me. I had just so much fun to completely take out the interior of my last fox, repaint the interior/add carpet/etc.

My info? From owming a few and working on a few. They are crap cheap bucket race cars. Only thing they sre good for.

No room for decent exhaust? Your a idiot....






Buy a hardtop third gen. Do susp mods. Foxes aren't really setup to handle well. The susp on the thirdgen is better.

Wow. Really?

Phone didn't catch that? Damn..... you got me.

No room for decent exhaust? Your a idiot....

Is that really necessary?
You can be a little more civil :chuck-bal

Is that really necessary?
You can be a little more civil :chuck-bal

civil? ha. That is civil for crap that gets posted on this site now a days. :eek2:


jeez I remember when this site use to be fun and thick skinned and every poster wasn't talking about getting high or I'm the fastest at my high school.

No room for decent exhaust? Your're an idiot....

oh the irony... lol

You're an idiot because I've already had a swapped 3rd Gen with 3 inch exhaust and longtubes so try again.

Yes it does fit, but I don't care for how low it sits. I scrapped everywhere. It sits too low and gets beat up, thats why I said what I did. I would look into modding the frame rails before I ran long tubes again on a third Gen lol

Wow. Really?



you missed where he used "a" rather than "an". :engarde:

My car is a high 11 second car, 80k original miles on the car.... still wouldn't DD it even though the car is in amazing shape :o.

My car is a high 11 second car, 80k original miles on the car.... still wouldn't DD it even though the car is in amazing shape :o.

i actually miss my 89. she didn't make it into the 11's though.

My info? From owming a few and working on a few. They are crap cheap bucket race cars. Only thing they sre good for.

If you worked on them, then you know it takes more (many more) than 4 screws to take the dash out. That's just at the glove box area (once it was removed). I will not waste anyone elses time with your other points. I just don't think it is a good idea to state something like that and have someone else who needs to, say change their heater core, try to find the 4 screws that hold on the dash. :jest:

Nothing in a fox was expensive, heck, brand new they were under 15k for a GT nicely loaded.

Yeah parts for a fox Mustang are so cheap ALL of them run 9s in the 1/4.

C'mon guys, they are not cheap cars. Back when I had mine the general concensus on stangnet was it would take h/c/i/e to beat a stock ls1.

Yeah parts for a fox Mustang are so cheap ALL of them run 9s in the 1/4.

C'mon guys, they are not cheap cars. Back when I had mine the general concensus on stangnet was it would take h/c/i/e to beat a stock ls1.

Thats because fOrDs are sent by the dev1le:devil: :judge: and ohio is leading the charge. Its up to the Chev men sent by the good LORD himself:angel:....to stop ohio orchestrated by the dvl and his hostile take over.

Yeah parts for a fox Mustang are so cheap ALL of them run 9s in the 1/4.

C'mon guys, they are not cheap cars. Back when I had mine the general concensus on stangnet was it would take h/c/i/e to beat a stock ls1.

I think some meant cheap as in cheaply put together, not cheap to make fast.

We're missing the point of the thread. This isn't about whether a Fox can measure up to a 3rd Gen or the God-Almighty-holier-than-all-else-including-God-himself-LS1. The 'OP wants to know if Fox's handle well and they do, or rather they can be made to handle well. The 'OP says whatever he gets will get 'LS power down the road anyway so...

I also Lol'd at the comments about Fox's being cheaply put together, as if the competition from the 80's/90's was any better? Oh yeah right...4th gen F cars are SUPERB examples of how well built and solid a car can be. I mean, I'm sure the engineers at BMW and Mercedes had to go back to the drawing boards when GM unleashed the awesome body integrity of the 4th Gen F body on the automotive world...

I think we all know how superior BMW and Mercedes cars are fit-n-finish wise compared to the fbodies. NO one is going to dispute that, so I don't know why you bothered to bring that up :huh:

BTW I wouldn't trade my Camaro for a BMW or Mercedes, ever. They are not my type of car :P

Replacement parts and mild go fast parts are relatively cheap, regardless of how it matches up to another car and the engine is easier to work on. No $500 distributors and rockers don't need to be adjusted are just a few examples. I'd love to get one some day, but I'd probably be spending big money on it so cheap would more or less go out the window at that point.

Fox body Mustangs... somehow cheaper than an f-body and uglier than sin.

I think every douche bag in my town drives a fox body.

I mean, if you're gonna buy a Mustang, get one that doesn't suck.

"It runs 15's, but it feels really light and aftermarket parts are soooo affordable!"
DUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Douchebags and fox bodies. Douchebags and LS1 cars. Douchebags and Cobra's. There's a douchebag in every kind of car. The more expensive the car, the bigger the douchebag.

I enjoy working on my coupe way more than I did on my SS. It helps that I'm stuffing a LQ9 in it. The only place fox parts are cheaper than LS1 parts is in the used market. You can have a fun car for cheap if you're happy with secondhand parts. It won't be full retard fast, but it's still fun.

I wouldn't daily a fox over the LS1 car, though. I really enjoyed driving my Camaro because it was pretty comfortable and had A/C and a nice stereo, and mine didn't rattle all over.

All my past fox bodies have been loud, and stiff, and rattled all over. It didn't make me like driving them any less, I just wouldn't do it everyday.

I'd only buy a fox body if you want a side project. Keep your f-body around.

Friend owns a fairly clean foxbody (h/c/i on boost) cars alright but doesn't have all the comforts of my car. I like em id daily one if it was MINT which is very very hard to come by.

Edit: Funniest part is when you actually own an old rattle box like that you'll wish you never got rid of your 4th gen.

Edit: Funniest part is when you actually own an old rattle box like that you'll wish you never got rid of your 4th gen.

True statement. Keep the f-body if you decide to get a fox.

You mine as well turn -gay- when your buyen a fox too.

You mine as well turn -gay- when your buyen a fox too.

Thank you for your valuable and well thought out contribution to the discussion.

if your building a drag car fox is the way to go, but i would stay away from verts, i had an older vert and i will never do that again, i love notchbacks and 03 cobras, honest if you wanna buy a mustang thats alot of fun you cant beat the 03 cobras, few bolt ons ,pulley ,tune makes from a pretty fun ride, then when that gets old you can pick up a decent kb blower on svt for a decent price, the only cars i would get rid of my ss for would be a c5z,03 cobra,

Thank you for your valuable and well thought out contribution to the discussion.

No thanks necessary man. :nod: Just doen my part to help my GM and also -straight- brothers out. :angel: :)

- :cheers:

No thanks necessary man. :nod: Just doen my part to help my GM and also -straight- brothers out. :angel: :)

- :cheers:

Man lovin'. Gotcha.

Just throwing ideas around in my head and gathering info. Lots of stupid in this thread though. Seems like its always the guys with the slow cars that have to talk shit about other brands and have less than intelligence remarks to share.

I think those are sweet cars, I say if you want a new project, go for it. They are old, but the aftermarket support is HUGE for them and they are great platforms to build off of. If you have the funds then I would do it if you're just plain bored with your 4th gen.

I see clean ones come up on Autotrader every now and then that are pretty clean for not too much money, just have to look hard. I wanted one a couple of years ago when I was a junior in high school myself, they make great project cars, you can do so much with them for not that much money.

I can't stand the way the Foxbody looks, ugliest Mustang they ever made in my opinion. Even the super clean garage stored collector Foxes look ugly to me, but hey if that's what you're into, go for it.

I'm 6'2 also, I don't understand how you think the 4th Gen feels big to you. If you look at that car compared to any other car on the street, it's actually pretty small. The interior is cramped as hell. There's enough room for a driver, but the passenger has that god damn hump on the floor, and even the short ones complain about it. Back seat is almost worthless, trunk space...forget about trunk space, it's a hatchback.

Those Fox Bodies are DEFINITELY smaller than an F-body. And if you thought this cheap F-body squeaks, rattled, and vibrates a lot...then you haven't seen anything yet. Going to a 20+ year old poorly made convertible? But like others pointed out, they are good drag cars, and weigh nothing.

or the god-almighty-holier-than-all-else-including-god-himself-ls1.

THIS is a TRUE statement!!!

so the
4th gen feels huge? i think its just right. it fits a 6ft. man right. idk if i could drive anything smaller. i would never drive a fox or any other stang. so thats not gonna happen. maybe you should look into a 350z or something as a driver. those are smaller weak, good handling cars. prolly much better handling than either the fox or 4th gen.

You mine as well turn -gay- when your buyen a fox too.

Are you mildly retarded?

Are you mildly retarded?

More of a "on and off case of light returdation" :shiner: :thinker:

More of a "on and off case of light returdation" :shiner: :thinker:

so.... that's a yes?

you missed where he used "a" rather than "an". :engarde:

Hey, man. I stopped with one error. No reason to beat the guy up too much. :D

so.... that's a yes?

:across the bar glare:

>_>

Fox body Mustangs... somehow cheaper than an f-body and uglier than sin.

I think every douche bag in my town drives a fox body.

I mean, if you're gonna buy a Mustang, get one that doesn't suck.

"It runs 15's, but it feels really light and aftermarket parts are soooo affordable!"
DUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

LMAO, does all this aggression come from owning an LT1?

More of a "on and off case of light returdation" :shiner: :thinker:

ok...this made me laugh

http://passionweiss.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Never-Go-Full-Retard.jpg

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

I havent azzhole. :flipeye: :shiner:

You guys should keep your flirting to pm's instead of filling this thread with shit. I actually want to get some insight from fox owners.

You guys should keep your flirting to pm's instead of filling this thread with shit. I actually want to get some insight from fox owners.

Well then.....expect to turn GAY in the process....

-:punch:

This thread turned to shit thanks to the usual trolls smh. You might wanna consider asking the same question on a fox forum just so you get biased opinions from both sides! Goodluck.

im 5'7 and the maro only looks big to me. it has the typical
"how close is my front end to w.e im parking or turning near?"

but other than that the only complaint i have is wind noise. i can hear it but its not like the camaros are sound proof, hell the whole cabin is damn near glass.

that and road noise. doesnt bother me, and i didnt even know it wasa bad until one of my chick friends was trying to sleep when i was driving one night.

Its always the guys with the slow cars that talk shit about other brands.

I've looked on Ford forums and it seems the fbodies handle better to them as well. I think the thing that gets me is the 4th Gen is such a big car. Sure as hell isn't a compact.

You guys should keep your flirting to pm's instead of filling this thread with shit. I actually want to get some insight from fox owners.

this thread turned to shit when fox bodies got brought up. lol jk

Its always the guys with the slow cars that talk shit about other brands.

I've looked on Ford forums and it seems the fbodies handle better to them as well. I think the thing that gets me is the 4th Gen is such a big car. Sure as hell isn't a compact.

4th gens are not that big of cars, park it next to any other modern day car (short of a CRX) and you'll see how small it actually is. Especially compared to newer cars. Perhaps it feels big because of the long ass doors, and the hood that seems to go on forever when trying to park etc.

not sure if it's been discussed, but why not look at a C5 vette? Better quality than an f body, smaller feel, and the handling you're looking for. Hell i'd even take a C4 over a fox body. Better LS candidate too.

this thread turned to shit when fox bodies got brought up. Lol jk



4th gens are not that big of cars, park it next to any other modern day car (short of a crx) and you'll see how small it actually is. Especially compared to newer cars. Perhaps it feels big because of the long ass doors, and the hood that seems to go on forever when trying to park etc.

Not sure if it's been discussed, but why not look at a c5 vette? Better quality than an f body, smaller feel, and the handling you're looking for. Hell i'd even take a c4 over a fox body. Better ls candidate too.

this! ^

im 5'7 and the maro only looks big to me. it has the typical
"how close is my front end to w.e im parking or turning near?"

but other than that the only complaint i have is wind noise. i can hear it but its not like the camaros are sound proof, hell the whole cabin is damn near glass.

that and road noise. doesnt bother me, and i didnt even know it wasa bad until one of my chick friends was trying to sleep when i was driving one night.

Tell me about it. I'm always reminded how old and cheap my car is whenever I ride with a friend in their car and am impressed by how quiet and soft the ride is. Of course part of me loves that loud rough kind of ride, but the wind noise from the windows does get annoying.

Starts "fox body vs 4th gen" thread

Gets sandy vagina when arguments begin.

Just go drive a fox vert and you'll stop considering one for a daily.

Starts "fox body vs 4th gen" thread

Gets sandy vagina when arguments begin.

Just go drive a fox vert and you'll stop considering one for a daily.

And hopefully youll consider not being gay....:judge:




-:jest:

Tell me about it. I'm always reminded how old and cheap my car is whenever I ride with a friend in their car and am impressed by how quiet and soft the ride is. Of course part of me loves that loud rough kind of ride, but the wind noise from the windows does get annoying.

i like the ride too, i dont ride in other friends cars often b/c i dont really trust other people to drive me around and allot of them dont have cars :D.

i chalk most of the wind noise up to my windows that dont always seal completely.

im sure someone up here has come up with a way to deaden the wind noise a bit.

but the road noise only messes with my passengers. i like to think the car is growling a bit :D

i like the ride too, i dont ride in other friends cars often b/c i dont really trust other people to drive me around and allot of them dont have cars :D.

i chalk most of the wind noise up to my windows that dont always seal completely.

im sure someone up here has come up with a way to deaden the wind noise a bit.

but the road noise only messes with my passengers. i like to think the car is growling a bit :D

Between the wind noise, the humming from the tires, and the loud drone of my exhaust, it's pretty difficult to have a conversation with a passenger while riding in my car.

LMAO, does all this aggression come from owning an LT1?

Not at all-- its not like I'm stuck in an LT1, I'm pretty happy with my car. A few years back I did consider letting it go and picking up an LS1 car, but never followed through on it. Thanks for breaking my balls though.

A couple friends of mine owned foxes (literally the only two guys in my area that owned foxes that weren't complete assholes). I got some exposure to those cars when I helped them work on them on occasion and went to the track with them tons of times.

They're cheaply built, rickety, creaky cars. They were built in the 80's (yes, I know they ran into the 90's), and like just about any car built in the 80's, they're a pile of crap.

If you like Mustangs, get one that doesn't suck. 99, 01, 03, and 04 Cobras were awesome. The new Generation, especially the 5.0 DOHC motors are even better. Fox body Mustangs? Shitboxes.

I hate seeing such biased opinions on this thread. It hurts inside. Especially since I have a few so called friends that can't really be my friends because I have a fox now. It bothers me.

I've had both and all of my buddies pretty much have an ls1 or a fox.

I can totally appreciate both and they are both awesome cars that are in my mind the best bang for your buck cars to build.

I've seen rattletrap foxbodies and ls1's. I've also seen both of them seem tight and rattle free.

My advice is drive both and see what you like. You can make both of these cars very fast with a well thought out combo. I would respect your decision either way and it is your hard earned money so get what makes you happy not anyone else.

The only thing I like about the fox is that you sit more upright and not bathtub style. I do think I would choose the ls1 for a corner carver or daily summer car though. The fox did feel faster at lower horsepower levels. Fox has weaker transmissions stock but a better rear end. Fox is lighter but the ls1 will put out a bit more power mod to mod so that pretty much equals out. Fox is a bit easier to work on.

They are both awesome and I'm not sure why anyone has to bash. We are all car enthusiasts. It is like we are all soldiers and some of us like glocks and some of us prefer smith and wesson. BUT WE ARE ALL FIGHTING FOR THE SAME SIDE. :usa:

I had an 84 V6 convertible about 10 years ago. It was slow as balls and the interior was falling apart. I replaced the top and it was alright. The roof motor didn't work well and the quarter windows were missing the cranks so I couldn't put them down. It didn't leak though and held in heat pretty well in the winter.

A couple years later I picked up an 88 gt hatch. Super easy to work on, you could almost climb in the engine compartment with it. It was rusted to hell and burned so much oil I had to dump it eventually. I was looking for a fox with t tops when I found my Camaro and the deal was so good I couldn't pass it up. I've never looked back, except when changing plugs