Forced Induction - Pt88 370 SS Camaro

First time at track with new th400 and converter.

Was only doing 1/8 mile runs and made one full 1/4 mile pass hotlapping it I went 10.05 at 146.1 mph with a 1.71 60 foot on 17 psi, 14 degrees timing and 10.5 AFR on 114 octane. Best 1/8 mile was 6.39 at 87 mph with a 1.35 60 foot on 14 psi and 9 degrees timing and 10.1 AFR, I got on the brakes at the 330 foot mark, I thought I was at 1/8 mile. Best 1/8 mile mph was 116.89, just 3 mins later I was in the burnout box and did my 10.0 pass at only 115 mph in 1/8 mile. Hot lapping cost me a bit, dropped 1 mph in the 1/8.

With that said comparing my lower boost 330 foot time with my 10.00 pass. I should of been able to go 9.30 - 9.39 on 17 psi with a good 60 foot on low timing and pretty rich AFR. Cars coming apart for cage install on the 20th. I've been daily driving in the last week or so, doesn't do bad with the 3.08 gears and th400. Drove it to and from the track.

Car weight 3480 with out me and I weigh around 190 lbs. Not a light race car by any means. Below is the video of the 6.39 1/8 mile run, video of 1/4 mile pass coming soon.

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Nice! Looks pretty comparable to what mine ran before. Once you get more seat time at the track and lean it out some, it shouldn't have any issue going low 9's. As long as you can keep cutting 1.3x 60's.

Should be a blast once you get it sorted out!

What does the 370 consist of and what stall speed is your converter?

Nice! Looks pretty comparable to what mine ran before. Once you get more seat time at the track and lean it out some, it shouldn't have any issue going low 9's. As long as you can keep cutting 1.3x 60's.

Should be a blast once you get it sorted out!

What does the 370 consist of and what stall speed is your converter?

LQ9 block
Callies 6.125" H beam rods w/ ARP 2000 7/16" bolts
I believe it's Ross pistons, Had them custom made to be safe for high boost and ceramic coated, 9.5:1 compression
Stock crank with studded mains

TFS 225 heads with Ls9 gaskets and Arp Studs
Crane Gold Race rocker arms with hardened push rods
223/231 610/617 113 LSA Comp Cam, < Been in car since it was N/A
Stock Ls6 intake and throttle body

Th400 with a Neal Chance 9 inch I got on craigslist for $550 that went for $1700 new. It was 6800 and above all the way down track, shifting didn't drop rpms. Slip was calculated at 25 percent
Trans Specialties Transbrake
PRW Platinum Flex Plate

Moser 12 bolt with 33 Spline Axles and True Trac diff
Stock front and rear brakes

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another video

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Truck manifolds?

Truck manifolds?

Yes :nod:

That's awesome mph the second go round.

That's awesome mph the second go round.

Yep, hoping with the changes getting done next that I can get to 150 mph at 17 - 18 psi next time out. An maybe a 9.1 - 9.2 to go with it.

Nice!

Definately need a different converter. Shows a ton of promise with that 1/4 mph though.

On my other passes I was told my true trac wasn't working properly and when I did my burn out a wheel would stop spinning. I tried leaving on 2 psi and the car would wheelie like it wants to go on the bumper and then it would start spinning while it was up. Partly cause I need to ramp the boost in. It was going from 2 psi to 17 psi within .4 of a second.

So I guess I need to put a spool in it and I was looking around last night. Gonna have to order some madman travel limiters and maybe those bars he makes that help prevent cracking block, oil pan, and transmission case. Hoping when the cage is in the car it becomes a little more predictable off the line.

Video update, the 10.0 pass I was just gonna abort but went ahead and tried hooking up again and it finally hooked up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fuTulLT3yY

Very Nice.

did a 1.7 60 foot and still ran a 10 flat.....shes a 9 second car waiting to shine.

Definately a solid low 9 second car written all over it. Great job!

More boost the a better 60' you'll def run 8's, its been done over and over. I'm in the process of building this identical 370/PT88 and its going in my 2500lb car. Hopefully I can hook up as well!

Nice pass!!! Which of your cars is quicker?

Nice pass!!! Which of your cars is quicker?

Other one seems to pull harder from about a 60 roll when they are on the same boost.

Other one seems to pull harder from about a 60 roll when they are on the same boost.race them :jest:

race them :jest:

I'm selling the turbo setup off of the car in this thread for 2500 complete, then gonna be putting the 408 car back to N/A. Using the turbo setup off of that car on car in this thread, It will finally have full 4 inch exhaust with two mufflers. Would love to get it as quiet as your LTD, curious how much weight would be added if I split the 4 inch exhaust to dual 3 inch and had 4 mufflers.

Currently the Red Camaro has a 12 inch long 4 inch down pipe. It gets annoying driving around like that, the whole plan for this car was to get it to run high 8s while driving to and from the track and keeping it daily drivable. Pretty much like your LTD.

Right now the car is looking like hell. Only thing inside of it right now is a steering wheel and driver seat. Off to chassis shop Friday for 10 point, window net and stroud parachute.

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This was just after getting the dash out, will be deleting the HVAC system and passenger airbag. Car will have Kirkey Pro Street seats and 5 point harness. Looking at putting the car on a little bit of a diet to get the race weight around 3500 lbs. Will be kind of hard to do, think I will end up with new carpet with dynamat as the suspension is just a little to noisy.

How high did you bring it up on the converter on the last pass? How much boost did you leave on?

How high did you bring it up on the converter on the last pass? How much boost did you leave on?

4500 rpms, 2 psi on brake.

sounded like more boost. Cant wait to see that think make a full pass

sounded like more boost. Cant wait to see that think make a full pass

Yea I really need to use my 2 step, It went up too much so I slowly lowered the rpms till the boost was 2 - 3 psi then left. Boost went to 17 psi when I first loaded it hard on the brake.

Car's at the chassis shop. I'm happy it will finally have the safety equipment, wasn't wanting to make a full pass without it for my own safety.

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Cage getting close to done, being told it should be pretty much done tomorrow.


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looks good man. how long till its finished?

Looks good, Jason!

looks good man. how long till its finished?

He was talking about getting it done in time for midnight madness. But don't think I wanna go to it.

that would be cool to have it done by then, I dont think I will be going to another midnight madness ever lol..I was miserable last time

Subscribe, this car is awesome!
How much did you buy that th400 for?

See them on Craigslist from 200-800 . Just curious

Subscribe, this car is awesome!
How much did you buy that th400 for?

See them on Craigslist from 200-800 . Just curious

They one I just put in the car a few weeks ago was $1,700, converter goes for $1,600 got it on craigslist for $550 and a restall is only a $250.

Thanks, I was under the impression the people on CL were going to sell me junk. How far is the drive from your house to the track? Trying to weigh the pros and cons from going t56 to th400

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/pts/2980468881.html

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/pts/2987590675.html

Thanks, I was under the impression the people on CL were going to sell me junk. How far is the drive from your house to the track? Trying to weigh the pros and cons from going t56 to th400

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/pts/2980468881.html

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/pts/2987590675.html

Tracks only 10 mins. But I drove the car 8 plus hours in 1 day. Went from Stl Mo to Kansas City, Went on 2 car cruises then went to the track did a few passes trapped in the 140s mph wise and went 10.4 with stock rims and nitto 555r tires. Then drove back home with no issues. 3 hours of that was in the rain.

Car has 3.08 gears and goes down the highway just fine.


Btw I wouldn't mess with those on craigslist, Find your self a good builder and they normally have stock cores to start out with. Mine was built for 1000 rwhp, has a trans brake and a J.W bell housing. The bell housing added 400 to the cost but it's needed for I believe 9.99 or faster.

Tracks only 10 mins. But I drove the car 8 plus hours in 1 day. Went from Stl Mo to Kansas City, Went on 2 car cruises then went to the track did a few passes trapped in the 140s mph wise and went 10.4 with stock rims and nitto 555r tires. Then drove back home with no issues. 3 hours of that was in the rain.

Car has 3.08 gears and goes down the highway just fine.


Btw I wouldn't mess with those on craigslist, Find your self a good builder and they normally have stock cores to start out with. Mine was built for 1000 rwhp, has a trans brake and a J.W bell housing. The bell housing added 400 to the cost but it's needed for I believe 9.99 or faster.


Thanks for the information. Th400 sounds better then rebuilding a t56 or buying twin disc clutches. I'm staying tuned for those 9 sec passes

Bad ass car man!! Its nice to see an people back home going fast. I'll be home on R&R in about 3 weeks, would be awesome if I could check out your setup!

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Gonna be picking car up today, still lots of work left to finish the car the way I want it. It needs to go for paint and body work as well. Hopefully be race ready in 4 - 6 weeks.

Use the two step so you have flash left in the converter.

Having it nosed up right on the stall's max speed is going to hurt your 330' more than anything. It might 60' the same, but it won't have the acceleration it really needs without the flash of the converter.

Sounds like it needs a new converter anyways, but 146mph with a loose ass converter is great power.

It should go 150+ and it for sure has a 8.90 in it the way it sits.

You will love the travel limiters and SYA bars also. I have custom SYA's, but Madman limiters. For the price they are VERY well built. 1/2" adjustments make it easy to find the sweet spot.

You will probably end up with a 10" converter, where are you going to get the new one made?

Do both cars have the same turbo?

Use the two step so you have flash left in the converter.

Having it nosed up right on the stall's max speed is going to hurt your 330' more than anything. It might 60' the same, but it won't have the acceleration it really needs without the flash of the converter.

Sounds like it needs a new converter anyways, but 146mph with a loose ass converter is great power.

It should go 150+ and it for sure has a 8.90 in it the way it sits.

You will love the travel limiters and SYA bars also. I have custom SYA's, but Madman limiters. For the price they are VERY well built. 1/2" adjustments make it easy to find the sweet spot.

You will probably end up with a 10" converter, where are you going to get the new one made?

Do both cars have the same turbo?

Both cars have pt88s. The silver car has one with billet wheel upgrade thought. That car is going back to N/a however and the silver cars turbo setup is going on the red one.


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Well it's done, now the rest is up to me. Have a bit to much going on right now. Just pulled transmission out of my silverado, putting silver car back to stock, and I need to get this car track ready.

Nice.

Billet wheel should be worth some ponies.

Put a little hidden nozzle on the 408 for those roll races on the highway in mehico.:)

Who did the chassis work?

I guess I missed the post where you said you were going to keep the converter.

This is just what I was told by one company, then another told me it would be no problem.

They said a 9" they couldn't get much if any tighter than 4500 in my 650-700rwhp application at 3050lbs race weight, then the other company said they could crank down the stator as much as I wanted to really, but it would have to be played with to make it not too tight most likely.

If it's a track only light street car you might be able to make it work.

If it was a track car hell I'd want the stall to be in the 4500-4800rpm range like it is now, just with the right shift extension to give me some room to work with the two step, spool and flash so that it could get to full boogy a lot faster and have it lock up hard in the 5200-5500 range where you're going to be making most of your torque with that turbo.

Who did the chassis work?

Kurt at Mid Coast Performance. He did a really good job. Everything is well thought out. Seats are comfortable as well. Maybe even more comfy then the SS seats are. I wouldn't hesitate to use him again for chassis work.

Getting it ready for paint.. Went ahead and cut out some of the inner fender while I had it apart.

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Sold the turbo setup..
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Should be back on the road in 6 weeks.

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looking good bro

No longer red...

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Very nice. Have you ever done a back pressure test with the pt88? Curious.

Very nice. Have you ever done a back pressure test with the pt88? Curious.

Nope.

You should fix your tune. 10.5 AFR on race gas is way rich. Unless it's a high compression motor, you are leaving atleast 4 degree's of timing on the table. That's a shitload of power on top of what you would pick up from leaning out a point at that boost level. Some people are under the misconception that rich is safe and it is not. Specially with the amount of fuel that you are using at these power levels. Good way to lift a ringland on a piston.

You should fix your tune. 10.5 AFR on race gas is way rich. Unless it's a high compression motor, you are leaving atleast 4 degree's of timing on the table. That's a shitload of power on top of what you would pick up from leaning out a point at that boost level. Some people are under the misconception that rich is safe and it is not. Specially with the amount of fuel that you are using at these power levels. Good way to lift a ringland on a piston.

Was working on tune at track, Leaning it out each pass, I bought an extra sensor to double check as it didn't seem to be leaning out as much as it should with each change.

Good color choice, we are no longer twins lol.

Good color choice, we are no longer twins lol.

Thanks, I'm thinking there's only gonna be a few 98 to 02 camaro's my color in the world.

Which spray gun did you use?

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Picked the car up last night, I'm impressed with how nice it turned out.

looks killer man

looks killer man

Thanks

Turned out really good

I really like the paint change, car looks killer man

Very nice ... :D

Even though it doesn't look like it, the car is getting closer to done. Needed the Kmember out of my silver car since I'm using the turbo kit off of that car so I can run full exhaust.

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love the color glad to see you back at it. i agree with above ^ 10.5 is way too rich. low 10.9-11s is what i would say is safe

should run Way faster with that turbo. i think my pt88 went 9.0 with a loose converter

The car would have been able to start by now but I spent an hour trying to get the downpipe vband clamp on on Wednesday with no luck. Thinking maybe start up on Sunday, hoping having a quiet exhaust will be worth all the hassle.

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Looks awesome. Chad said mine is as quiet as stock with a slight lope through the 2otl. And he said its fairly loud with the cut out open. Best of both worlds.

Beautiful color. Been watching this thread/car since you got it going. Impressive man. Can't wait to see what she'll do once you get her dialed in!

knowing that this car is local im really glad you changed the color i was worried about getting smoked every time a red camaro came around this summer

knowing that this car is local im really glad you changed the color i was worried about getting smoked every time a red camaro came around this summer


lol!!!!!!

Well had a bit of an update typed out, But it failed to post and it's gone now. So I'll just leave you with a simple picture.

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LOL I hate when that happens.
looking good, water pump looks a lil used...

LOL I hate when that happens.
looking good, water pump looks a lil used...

I believe it's the stock pump. I never painted it, figured the paint would come right off. Might take it off to paint it when I go to change cam.

Gonna try and roll car out today and wash it. It's covered in dust. It's a pain ordering seat belts. I want 5 point camlock style that wraps around the cage instead of bolt in. Seems like it will be 2 - 4 weeks to get some.

Looks very similar to my setup.

Looks very similar to my setup.

Yea your the one that inspired me to do this build. No need to reinvent the wheel.

Rolled the car out and sprayed it off today. Haven't hand washed it yet, first wash since new paint. Needs a bit of detailing.

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For those have done abs delete, Did you have to pull the manifolds off to do so? I might take it all back off if that's the case. Might end up wrapping the manifold. Also adding a vband to 4 inch pipe that goes through kmember so it's easier to mess with.

I been looking at the exhaust. I think I may be able to get some 4 inch straight pipe and add a open downpipe just after the turbo. That I can add electric cutout too. That way I can run the full exhaust with no power loss. Just a little added weight. I prefer the car being as quiet as possible.

I DID not have to take the manifolds off to do the abs delete on my car

I DID not have to take the manifolds off to do the abs delete on my car

Did you use a kit or did you make and bend the lines? I'm wanting to hide most of it.

I got bored last night so I went out to the garage and looked for something I could do without getting too dirty. Ended up painting the rusty waterpump pulley with paint I have for my cage.

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Was hoping the weather would be nice this week but it's mostly 30 - 40.

[QUOTE=01Z28Camaro;17241657]Did you use a kit or did you make and bend the lines? I'm wanting to hide most of it.

I got bored last night so I went out to the garage and looked for something I could do without getting too dirty. Ended up painting the rusty waterpump pulley with paint I have for my cage.

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Was hoping the weather would be nice this week but it's mostly 30 - 40.[/QUO


I use the factory lines and just cut off all the metric ends to the length of line that I needed,
I went to autozone and bought the adapters to convert the metric females on the master to a stander flared end.
pretty simple took about 2hrs.

by the way the pulley looks alot better

Looks good, Jason. Can't wait to see it out doing work again.

I did the ABS delete with them on also but it was a pain in the ass ended up getting stainless braided flex lines it was easier

I did the ABS delete with them on also but it was a pain in the ass ended up getting stainless braided flex lines it was easier

I went ahead and took the manifolds back off, Gonna clean them up, paint them, and wrap them. Meanwhile I will have to figure out the abs delete thing.

Tonight I finally got the motor bolts to go in, it's always been a pain to do for what ever reason. I also made the hvac delete panel, just need to mark and drill holes. Don't have a drill press handy. Might have to do it this weekend.

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Once I finally get this thing back on the road, I will have to pull the rearend out and have spool installed, still trying to find one that works with 3 series 3:08 gears in a GM 12 bolt.

Looking good Jason! Can't wait to see how she runs this year!

Looking good Jason! Can't wait to see how she runs this year!

Thanks Brandon, I really hope to get this thing done soon, really only thing holding me back is the brakes, not sure how to do it, I don't intend to use a kit. Planning on just buying the line, cutter and flare tools.

The sooner I get this on the road the sooner I can get going on my boost controller, So far I plan on basing it on speed on a mph basis. Will have a learning mode that will automatically find the optimal boost per speed without wheel spin. Would like to get it done for the KC meet. Would like to run 20 - 22 psi on the street lol.

Get this thing done. We can play around on the street a little if mine is streetable enough

Get this thing done. We can play around on the street a little if mine is streetable enough

Trying to get someone to come help with the brake lines, once that mess is over with, it should all go back together easy enough.

That 9" will definately help you on the launches.

Get this thing done. We can play around on the street a little if mine is streetable enough

3 wide? I'm down!!!

3 wide? I'm down!!!

Only if you guys don't have traction problem. Would be an expensive way to play bumper cars.

Very nice work!

Bumper cars would be bad. Build is great btw

lol yeah that would suck to play bumper cars. After my cage is done I can order my converter and have the car done fairly quick...when I get home from New York Jason, I can bring your ECM over and give you a hand with the car.

lol yeah that would suck to play bumper cars. After my cage is done I can order my converter and have the car done fairly quick...when I get home from New York Jason, I can bring your ECM over and give you a hand with the car.

When do you come back from NY?

At least 12 inches of snow already today, I only went out to put my newly painted parts on to see how they turned out. I have to say that plasti dip looks really good and I like the texture they have. Hopefully the engine bay heat doesn't destroy it.

I spent about 30 mins on each manifold getting all the rust and rough spots off of them. Did two coats with VHT flameproof flat black. Hoping it stays looking decent for atleast a few months. Might try ceramic coating in the future.

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I think I will be putting the ABS back on the car for now so I can get the car going soon. Have a spool coming Monday for the 12 bolt. Hoping for some 60 degree days next week. So I can get the car out the garage and drive it.

we got around 6inch here, cars looking good..
Have you heard of the kc2k13 may 18 should be a good turn out

we got around 6inch here, cars looking good..
Have you heard of the kc2k13 may 18 should be a good turn out

Yes I'm gonna try and make it, not sure if I'm gonna trailer the car or just drive it. Seems like it will be pretty crowded from all the stl area guys taking trailers.

hope to be home from NY next week jason

hope to be home from NY next week jason

Alright, I'm hoping that my wiring issue I had that made me decide to take the car apart for paint wasn't an issue with the computer. Cause if I get it back together and have same issue I wanna try the other car's ecm.