Automotive News, Media & Press - First Low 11 Second Camaro ZL1

Lingenfelter took their ZL1 to the track to make a couple passes & this is what they got!! :) if only 5th gens weighed 35xx-36xx lbs!! :bang: Id expect a high 10 sec pass pretty soon!

Mods posted by Lingenfelter on Facebook are Pulley, Injectors, cold air kit, ported throttle body and drag radials and a tune.


http://blogs.hotrod.com/the-race-to-the-10s-23325.html


The ZL1 that wore the Lingenfelter banner at the track had minimal modifications. The only underhood upgrades was the LPE was outfitted with were a supercharger pulley to bump up the boost, reflashed ECM, 160-degree thermostat and a LPE ported and polished airintake leading to a K&N air filter. The only other modifications to the car were swapping out the street performance tires for skinnies up front and Nitto NT05R drag radials out back.

http://stblogs.hotrod.com/files/2012/04/LPE_ZL1_1-623x412.jpg

This very car had run 11.03 at 130 mph at Muncie Dragway. With great air temperatures and the Milan track team prepping the starting line, it looked like a promising day.

The first pass was decent, posting an 11.22. During the next series of passes, an assortment of launched styles, shift points and tire air pressure showed varied results.

Although no one was complaining about making passes at a dragstrip for a couple of hours, the team could only capture an 11.11 at 128 mph during this track outing.

So, the illusive 10-second ZL1 Camaro is still illusive! But the crew at Lingenfelter vows to be back, and soon, to try to be the first!

http://stblogs.hotrod.com/files/2012/04/LPE_ZL1_2-650x431.jpg

The only thing under hood on the Lingenfelter Performance Engineering (LPE) ZL1 Camaro that hints that the car is not stock is the polished air intake tube and open-element K&N air filter. A more trained eye will also notice that he supercharger pulley is not stock, which increases boost 3-4 psi over stock.

http://stblogs.hotrod.com/files/2012/04/LPE_ZL1_3-650x431.jpg

To help with traction, A set of Nitto NT05R drag radials were bolted on the rear of the car. These are P305/45R18s, while a pair of 5.50-17 tires up remove the drag of wide front tires.

http://stblogs.hotrod.com/files/2012/04/LPE_ZL1_4-650x430.jpg

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I read what appears to be the same article you have here, already posted in another thread. That one didn't mention replaced injectors that I noticed, but it did mention skinnies. This article actually mentions them, just not by calling them skinnies... 5.5" tires on 17's instead. It isn't like they're invisible anyway.

Sadly, the mention of these mods and not nailing any 10's is going to give the GT500 crowd something to howl over because those apparently have run well into the 10's with the same basic changes. I seem to remember big talk over 11.22 with only a set of slicks bolted on out back. Whatever though. Nobody truly expected this car to run with the GT500 on a drag strip anyway, except in the auto ZL1.

This ZL1 is a strong runner. It may not be the quickest car, but it is an instant classic. It will have a strong following for another 40yrs, the good Lord willing and the creeks don't rise, if ya know what I mean. :judge:

The GT500 will eat this car alive haha. Pullied on race gas and it can't hit 10's all day... Good job Chevy

The GT500 will eat this car alive haha. Pullied on race gas and it can't hit 10's all day... Good job Chevy

Im inclined to agree, the thing is just a pig.

Good going gm! You finally show up late to the party, and disappoint!

Im sorry, but with those mods, those tiny ass tires and shit this car is a fat ass fucking pig. My ls6 transam was at 450hp and could get into the very high 11s with less displacememt, no forced induction, street tires etc etc

ill see what others will get out of this and see if its a matter of getting it dialed in to get more out of it.



im still waiting for an 11 sec stock time or im going to be disappointed.

The first modified times and people are already downing the car. Chill people the mph shows the car has huge potential, from what I read the DA was less than ideal. I predict much faster times are coming.

No, the engine has huge potential, the fat ass frame its in does not. The 5th gen platform was a failure as soon as they mentioned the weight was 4klbs+

Edit:The first modified times and people are already downing the car. Chill people the mph shows the car has huge potential, from what I read the DA was less than ideal. I predict much faster times are coming.

Ok ill give you that, with better DA it would have hit 10's

I wouldn't say 11.03 is slow for a car that weights 4,000lbs and is still new to the market.

The GT500 will eat this car alive haha. Pullied on race gas and it can't hit 10's all day... Good job Chevy

Which year GT500 are we talking about here? & race gas? Lol...

Good going gm! You finally show up late to the party, and disappoint!

Im sorry, but with those mods, those tiny ass tires and shit this car is a fat ass fucking pig. My ls6 transam was at 450hp and could get into the very high 11s with less displacememt, no forced induction, street tires etc etc

Yea.... COOL STORY BRO! & how much did your "450 hp Trans Am" weigh?? high 11's to almost high 10s is COMPLETELY different & isn't even worth talking shit like you are... :eyes: what was your mph? Doubt it was 130 mph! & you did why 11's on street tires?? :bs: vids/pics or it didn't happen

The first modified times and people are already downing the car. Chill people the mph shows the car has huge potential, from what I read the DA was less than ideal. I predict much faster times are coming.

:judge: Smaller rims & M/T will get it in the 10's for sure!

I wouldn't say 11.03 is slow for a car that weights 4,000lbs and is still new to the market.

Exactly I don't know wtf some of you are smoking but this car weighs 4,xxx. LITERALLY just came out. & on some 305 18" wheels............. keep the skinnies up front & throw some 15" wheels with M/T & I don't think any of you would be talking shit. 130 mph in the 1/4 mile is pretty damn respectable?

The reason for the hate on the car is due to GM's engineer touting how this car can/will run with the 2013 GT500. The times are pretty damn impressive for a car that weighs this much, but it falls short of the claims made by the guys who designed the car. Thus, disappointment.

I'd still be beyond happy to own a car like this, but if I were looking for strictly a track car, the GT500 would get my money every time.

Which year GT500 are we talking about here? & race gas? Lol...


Someone doesn't read his own posts. VP109 tested as drag strip configuration.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=358418&stc=1&d=1334426164

Also those 18" LPE probably weight less than my 17" ZR1 wheels so rim size isn't an issue, the whole car is.

IMO 130mph is damn impressive with no internal mods. This car is faster than most plp would think but the hate is intense. But, I agree the ZL1 mod for mod is kinda very close to the present GT500.

Some plp need to chill!! But, maybe when the GT500 with 650hp will show up and destroy the Camaro, we will talk shit like everyone!

Still the ZR1 is an instant classic true, and the price is already cheaper than a GT500..

I always thought gt500's were unimpressive. This car smokes the current one. I have no idea what some of you nuthuggers are thinking. From the vids I've seen the gt500 needs a whipple to mph in the same league as this car. No one even knows how the 13 gt500 will run yet.......and we are still in '12 by the way so compare it to the current model.

Exactly I don't know wtf some of you are smoking but this car weighs 4,xxx. LITERALLY just came out. & on some 305 18" wheels............. keep the skinnies up front & throw some 15" wheels with M/T & I don't think any of you would be talking shit. 130 mph in the 1/4 mile is pretty damn respectable?

I don't think 15s would fit on the rear with the size brakes most new cars are run nowa days.

IMO 130mph is damn impressive with no internal mods. This car is faster than most plp would think but the hate is intense. But, I agree the ZL1 mod for mod is kinda very close to the present GT500.

Some plp need to chill!! But, maybe when the GT500 with 650hp will show up and destroy the Camaro, we will talk shit like everyone!

Still the ZR1 is an instant classic true, and the price is already cheaper than a GT500..

ZL1.... ;)


I always thought gt500's were unimpressive. This car smokes the current one. I have no idea what some of you nuthuggers are thinking. From the vids I've seen the gt500 needs a whipple to mph in the same league as this car. No one even knows how the 13 gt500 will run yet.......and we are still in '12 by the way so compare it to the current model.

Exactly people tend to forget that Ford made the 2013 GT500 in response to the ZL1...... NO ONE even knew about the 2013 GT500 when the ZL1 was first announced. GM used the previous year GT500 for a bench mark. Which I think they beat. So maybe GM will up the hp on the ZL1 in response to the 2013 GT500? Who knows

Exactly people tend to forget that Ford made the 2013 GT500 in response to the ZL1...... NO ONE even knew about the 2013 GT500 when the ZL1 was first announced. GM used the previous year GT500 for a bench mark. Which I think they beat. So maybe GM will up the hp on the ZL1 in response to the 2013 GT500? Who knows

To be fair, how long ago was the 2012 GT500 released compared to the 2012 ZL1 Camaro? If anything, the ZL1 should be a 2012.5...

The fastest BONE STOCK 2011/12 GT500 with slicks/skinnys went 11.16 at 124, it took the ZL1 this much just to beat that by a little. Chevy should have spent more time putting this pig on a diet!

VP109 tested as drag strip configuration.

Surprised no one else is mentioning this. Took race fuel to produce those runs? What did it run on pump 93 or 91?

The fastest BONE STOCK 2011/12 GT500 with slicks/skinnys went 11.16 at 124, it took the ZL1 this much just to beat that by a little. Chevy should have spent more time putting this pig on a diet!

You don't know what that guy did to run that. I've seen 3 run this year, all with various mods and the fastest one went a 11.8@ 121. The other 2 were in the 12's at less than 120.

The race fuel thing sucks....but give them some time to mess with meth or e85. Either of which could possibly and potentially do better than the race fuel.

Good going gm! You finally show up late to the party, and disappoint!

Im sorry, but with those mods, those tiny ass tires and shit this car is a fat ass fucking pig. My ls6 transam was at 450hp and could get into the very high 11s with less displacememt, no forced induction, street tires etc etc

there's already cars like yours faster than that thing i think. there's also 5 liters going faster.........

The fastest BONE STOCK 2011/12 GT500 with slicks/skinnys went 11.16 at 124, it took the ZL1 this much just to beat that by a little. Chevy should have spent more time putting this pig on a diet!

This is on Nitto NT05R not slicks.......

You don't know what that guy did to run that. I've seen 3 run this year, all with various mods and the fastest one went a 11.8@ 121. The other 2 were in the 12's at less than 120.

The race fuel thing sucks....but give them some time to mess with meth or e85. Either of which could possibly and potentially do better than the race fuel.

1) We've been over this time and time again...it really doesn't matter what YOU see. We are talking about what the cars are capable of.
2) I thought E85 was "race fuel" in your eyes? ;)

1) We've been over this time and time again...it really doesn't matter what YOU see. We are talking about what the cars are capable of.
2) I thought E85 was "race fuel" in your eyes? ;)

Your right. My real life accounts is trumped my your internet racing experience. :hail:

You said e85 was good to go.:bomb:

there's already cars like yours faster than that thing i think. there's also 5 liters going faster.........

Gutted 5.0's, and barely and with 6mph less.

Wow those new Eatons really make boost. The previous Gen5 blowers could never make that kind of boost and still be efficient.

Gutted 5.0's, and barely and with 6mph less.

gutted 5 liters? you may wanna look again.

Your right. My real life accounts is trumped my your internet racing experience. :hail:

You said e85 was good to go.:bomb:

This is what you don't seem to understand...everything YOU say on here is "internet racing" for the other people. People share what they have seen in REAL LIFE, on the internet. You sticking your proverbial fingers in your ears and pretending that the tracks you go to are the only tracks in America is silly.

gutted 5 liters? you may wanna look again.

I have looked....and we've done been over this. Ohio can barely get to the 10s and his is a full weight aftermarket supercharged car that would not hve the durability of a oe charged car.

I have been drag racing since the early 80s and I still cant get over how many people are clueless to the basics of it. I remember in 85 when the Mustang GT was supposed to run low 14s and the first one we saw at the track ran mid 15s. Everybody right away said that they were slow and didn't live up to the hype. Not long after that we were all running low 14s just like they were supposed to. Same in 86 with the Grand Nationals,93 with the Cobras,98 with the ls1 cars, 03 Cobras ,ect. ect. ect.

Give it a little time and bolt on cars will be running mid 10s at well over 130 and stock cars will be well into the 11s @ over 120.

When the new Shelby comes out there will be some people running slow in them and that will give all the haters a good reason to talk shit and say how slow they are but it wont be long and they will be flying just like we all know they can because the 2013 Shelby is going to fly. How can it not be fast with 5.8L and 14 to 15 pounds of boost.

This is what you don't seem to understand...everything YOU say on here is "internet racing" for the other people. People share what they have seen in REAL LIFE, on the internet. You sticking your proverbial fingers in your ears and pretending that the tracks you go to are the only tracks in America is silly.

What I see is first hand experiance......what you read can be 4th 5th 6th.....who knows. Big difference. Besides, you 2 want to compare a car not in street trim.

What I see is first hand experiance......what you read can be 4th 5th 6th.....who knows. Big difference. Besides, you 2 want to compare a car not in street trim.

God damn man, you just don't get it. :bang:

I have looked....and we've done been over this. Ohio can barely get to the 10s and his is a full weight aftermarket supercharged car that would not hve the durability of a oe charged car.

dude.....there's street legal, not gutted 5 liters in the 9's, and 10's.

I have been drag racing since the early 80s and I still cant get over how many people are clueless to the basics of it. I remember in 85 when the Mustang GT was supposed to run low 14s and the first one we saw at the track ran mid 15s. Everybody right away said that they were slow and didn't live up to the hype. Not long after that we were all running low 14s just like they were supposed to. Same in 86 with the Grand Nationals,93 with the Cobras,98 with the ls1 cars, 03 Cobras ,ect. ect. ect.

Give it a little time and bolt on cars will be running mid 10s at well over 130 and stock cars will be well into the 11s @ over 120.

When the new Shelby comes out there will be some people running slow in them and that will give all the haters a good reason to talk shit and say how slow they are but it wont be long and they will be flying just like we all know they can because the 2013 Shelby is going to fly. How can it not be fast with 5.8L and 14 to 15 pounds of boost.

dude....you wanna talk clueless? i'm talking to a guy on another forum that thinks you get better traction on the street than on a dragstrip. :bang:
and he's more than old enough that he should know better.

God damn man, you just don't get it. :bang:
Yea.....I don't get it and you have yet to run a 13 must less a 11.
dude.....there's street legal, not gutted 5 liters in the 9's, and 10's.
Yep, highly massaged/aftermarket boosted cars vs this very light bolt-on car. What is up with you guys always tryin to up the ante for comparisons? Give the car some time.

Btw..... What's yours run?

Yea.....I don't get it and you have yet to run a 13 must less a 11.

Yep, highly massaged/aftermarket boosted cars vs this very light bolt-on car. What is up with you guys always tryin to up the ante for comparisons? Give the car some time.

Btw..... What's yours run?

i've already previously mentioned....possibly in another thread....i haven't run it yet, and to be honest i'm not too sure i'm going to. i will however be running it on the road course at milleville.

and hennesy isn't an aftermarket company? massaging this car? with new fuel injectors? and a new intake?


to be honest, i kind of expected to see these times out of the zl1 in stock trim. it's kind of disappointing that they had to do this work to it to make these times.

i've already previously mentioned....possibly in another thread....i haven't run it yet, and to be honest i'm not too sure i'm going to. i will however be running it on the road course at milleville.

and hennesy isn't an aftermarket company? massaging this car? with new fuel injectors? and a new intake?


to be honest, i kind of expected to see these times out of the zl1 in stock trim. it's kind of disappointing that they had to do this work to it to make these times.

Those are really big mods ehh? You should know its really basic for a FI application and I'm sure they did swap injectors for future mods coming(and peace of mind of not blowing a brand new ZL1 engine running lean).

^^So you expect a ZL1 to run similar time to the ZR1? LOL Youre out of your mind, really.

I have been drag racing since the early 80s and I still cant get over how many people are clueless to the basics of it. I remember in 85 when the Mustang GT was supposed to run low 14s and the first one we saw at the track ran mid 15s. Everybody right away said that they were slow and didn't live up to the hype. Not long after that we were all running low 14s just like they were supposed to. Same in 86 with the Grand Nationals,93 with the Cobras,98 with the ls1 cars, 03 Cobras ,ect. ect. ect.

Give it a little time and bolt on cars will be running mid 10s at well over 130 and stock cars will be well into the 11s @ over 120.

When the new Shelby comes out there will be some people running slow in them and that will give all the haters a good reason to talk shit and say how slow they are but it wont be long and they will be flying just like we all know they can because the 2013 Shelby is going to fly. How can it not be fast with 5.8L and 14 to 15 pounds of boost........... ^ This! ^ :nod:

The truth

This guy knows whats up.

I wonder why it became cool to bitch about 5th gen camaros.

God damn man, you just don't get it. :bang:

Just leave him be, he's too stupid to reason with.

^^So you expect a ZL1 to run similar time to the ZR1? LOL Youre out of your mind, really.

i expected it to be at least as fast as the shelby, if not slightly faster. if it only went 11.1's on those mods, then it's not.

I think that is pretty good, nothing broke run low 11's and they just got the car. The engine is not even broken in yet lol. Most people don't get a different car and run the fastest time's they can at the first time at the track with it. And just because billy bob is one of the first guys at the track with a brand new car is the best driver and will run exactly as fast as it should run.

Wait a sec, i am gonna go buy a 2013 gt500 and first pass out run the fastest bone stock time it will ever run period right? Of course it will be in the 11's because that's what its suppose to do right? No it will run 10's bone stock because it has 650 hp am i right? Ha ha ha wrong. Will you run get one and run 11's first pass out, or even on the same track day, i would hope so cause you have 650 hp and that means everything.

Yea.....I don't get it and you have yet to run a 13 must less a 11.

Yep, highly massaged/aftermarket boosted cars vs this very light bolt-on car. What is up with you guys always tryin to up the ante for comparisons? Give the car some time.

Btw..... What's yours run?
If I went by what you are saying...That is also going off of internet times. WE ARE ON THE INTERNET. An intelligent person would pay attention to what people run across the entire country, not just what they see personally. Especially when it comes to a car's potential. There is nothing wrong with using what you see in order to help form an opinion, but you can't use that to discredit what another person (or many people) sees at different locations. Which is what you do ALL the time.
Those are really big mods ehh? You should know its really basic for a FI application and I'm sure they did swap injectors for future mods coming(and peace of mind of not blowing a brand new ZL1 engine running lean).

Doesn't this car also have a different pulley?

I wouldn't say 11.03 is slow for a car that weights 4,000lbs and is still new to the market.New to the market? It's been out nearly 3yrs already, except this bad ass engine, which really has too(considering the other cars it's been in). There's little or no reason those truly looking to go fast on the drag strip are having this much trouble, except weight(and the proper transfer thereof) and suspension.

Still the ZR1 is an instant classic true, and the price is already cheaper than a GT500..I read whatever... I think I checked their websites... The 2 are the same base price. A couple hundred apart won't mean much to a buyer anyway. I mean, if I'm considering these two models, and I go into my local dealer and say, "But that one is $200.00 less..." I'm betting they'll take care of that issue immediately. 2 grand, not so fast. 200... that's like 2 cents against a sale.

The reason for the hate on the car is due to GM's engineer touting how this car can/will run with the 2013 GT500. Thus, disappointment.Pretty much... yup.

I'd still be beyond happy to own a car like this, but if I were looking for strictly a track car, the GT500 would get my money every time.Strictly drag racing and these two are the 2 options, I agree. There are others I'd rather in general. If it was for collecting reasons, I may have to go with the ZL1, since I don't think there will be many overall.

I always thought gt500's were unimpressive. This car smokes the current one. I have no idea what some of you nuthuggers are thinking. From the vids I've seen the gt500 needs a whipple to mph in the same league as this car. No one even knows how the 13 gt500 will run yet.......and we are still in '12 by the way so compare it to the current model.From what we've seen, the current 2012 GT500 will tear down the track right alongside this BEHEMOTH from Chevrolet! Slicks, ALONE got a 2011 GT500 to 11.2's... Add the other mods this ZL1 has and it's lights out for the Camaro! That's the current model and the 2013 is slated to hit dealerships fairly soon from what I've been reading... like next month. All other 2013's are apparently already for sale.

This is on Nitto NT05R not slicks.......Traction is traction, regardless what provided it. Most cars seem to get better mph with any DOT style tire, but if I can pull 1.40's on slicks OR Nitto's, which would be more sensible?

I have looked....and we've done been over this. Ohio can barely get to the 10s and his is a full weight aftermarket supercharged car that would not hve the durability of a oe charged car.What makes you the durability guru when it comes to the 5L? We know the engine is positively strong. We know it's pulled similar cars(2011 5L Mustangs) into the 8's already... Durability isn't in question, period.
What I see is first hand experiance......what you read can be 4th 5th 6th.....who knows. Big difference. Besides, you 2 want to compare a car not in street trim.For crying out LOUD.... You just CANNOT understand what he's saying, no matter how many times he says it, or in how many ways or words.

Lemme spell it out for you. The race track you go to... It's NOT the only one in the world! There are literally hundreds of thousands of races you'll never see 1st hand, some of those, he will... Because he'll be at a track you're not...

Step AWAY from the crack pipe! :swing:


Yea.....I don't get it and you have yet to run a 13 must less a 11.Invest some time in proof reading, or hire someone who can help you navigate our language. Just because someone else hasn't run as quick as your car doesn't mean they're less intelligent or have less right to say what's on their mind. If you can intelligently debate the subject matter, you'll never have to use your car as your crutch. So far, you use it so much I recommend you go check it to make sure it isn't leaning due to the stress... :bomb:

Yep, highly massaged/aftermarket boosted cars vs this very light bolt-on car. What is up with you guys always tryin to up the ante for comparisons? Give the car some time.

Btw..... What's yours run?Here we go with more... It's always about what you perceive of the quicker car, ONLY because it's beating the one you prefer, then ending with "What's yours run?" as if that's supposed to shut everyone up... My car ran what yours has... without slicks! I drove it to and from the track to boot... So? I got a crappy 1.8 short time and still knocked down an 11.2... 10 years ago. You're not as special as you seem to think you are. I'm, once again, just tired of your diarrhea of the mouth. Go run in the 10's awhile... Then add juice or something, get it in the 9's... Call me. We'll chat... :nono:

I could rant that you have no idea how to build your own engine, so instead you bolt one in that someone else built. I don't. Why not? Because it can't advance the conversation in any meaningful way. By the same token, trash-talking about what your can has run vs someone else... uncalled for and quite childish, not to mention that it doesn't advance the conversation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUbXWgWas2Q

After going to the track event at TX2K12, I lost all my respect for the drag racing capabilities of the 5th gen Camaro. I was sick to my stomach watching these heavy bricks in the wind running slow times. Now adding to list, it is absolutely embarrassing that a modified ZL1 running on race gas can't even break into the 10s.

At this point it is nothing more than an over priced penis extension. I was running 11.0 in my '98 Formula years ago with a garage built 6.0L making 400rwhp. Guess it all depends on how much money you want to spend.

If I went by what you are saying...That is also going off of internet times. WE ARE ON THE INTERNET. An intelligent person would pay attention to what people run across the entire country, not just what they see personally. Especially when it comes to a car's potential. There is nothing wrong with using what you see in order to help form an opinion, but you can't use that to discredit what another person (or many people) sees at different locations. Which is what you do ALL the time.


Doesn't this car also have a different pulley?

So you're saying that "many" people have went 11.1x in a stock GT500 with tires? Also, you don't believe everything you see on the internet, do you? You can't be that naive. :lol:

At this point it is nothing more than an over priced penis extension. I was running 11.0 in my '98 Formula years ago with a garage built 6.0L making 400rwhp. Guess it all depends on how much money you want to spend.

And what was your raceweight when you did that...

Wow, I expected more out of it with those mods. The guys at LPE are great at getting the potential out of the motors, but it really looks like the weight might be killing any better times. Maybe with better air, but it just looks heavy. I am sure glad I didn't order 1 of these yet, hopefully GM can see they need to lighten them up by 400#s or change the ugly ass body style already.

If you can intelligently debate the subject matter, you'll never have to use your car as your crutch.

:judge: Is there a way we can post this at the top of everythread? (especially in the street racing section)

New to the market? It's been out nearly 3yrs already, except this bad ass engine, which really has too(considering the other cars it's been in). There's little or no reason those truly looking to go fast on the drag strip are having this much trouble, except weight(and the proper transfer thereof) and suspension.

I read whatever... I think I checked their websites... The 2 are the same base price. A couple hundred apart won't mean much to a buyer anyway. I mean, if I'm considering these two models, and I go into my local dealer and say, "But that one is $200.00 less..." I'm betting they'll take care of that issue immediately. 2 grand, not so fast. 200... that's like 2 cents against a sale.

Pretty much... yup.

Strictly drag racing and these two are the 2 options, I agree. There are others I'd rather in general. If it was for collecting reasons, I may have to go with the ZL1, since I don't think there will be many overall.

From what we've seen, the current 2012 GT500 will tear down the track right alongside this BEHEMOTH from Chevrolet! Slicks, ALONE got a 2011 GT500 to 11.2's... Add the other mods this ZL1 has and it's lights out for the Camaro! That's the current model and the 2013 is slated to hit dealerships fairly soon from what I've been reading... like next month. All other 2013's are apparently already for sale.

Traction is traction, regardless what provided it. Most cars seem to get better mph with any DOT style tire, but if I can pull 1.40's on slicks OR Nitto's, which would be more sensible?

What makes you the durability guru when it comes to the 5L? We know the engine is positively strong. We know it's pulled similar cars(2011 5L Mustangs) into the 8's already... Durability isn't in question, period.
For crying out LOUD.... You just CANNOT understand what he's saying, no matter how many times he says it, or in how many ways or words.

Lemme spell it out for you. The race track you go to... It's NOT the only one in the world! There are literally hundreds of thousands of races you'll never see 1st hand, some of those, he will... Because he'll be at a track you're not...

Step AWAY from the crack pipe! :swing:


Invest some time in proof reading, or hire someone who can help you navigate our language. Just because someone else hasn't run as quick as your car doesn't mean they're less intelligent or have less right to say what's on their mind. If you can intelligently debate the subject matter, you'll never have to use your car as your crutch. So far, you use it so much I recommend you go check it to make sure it isn't leaning due to the stress... :bomb:

Here we go with more... It's always about what you perceive of the quicker car, ONLY because it's beating the one you prefer, then ending with "What's yours run?" as if that's supposed to shut everyone up... My car ran what yours has... without slicks! I drove it to and from the track to boot... So? I got a crappy 1.8 short time and still knocked down an 11.2... 10 years ago. You're not as special as you seem to think you are. I'm, once again, just tired of your diarrhea of the mouth. Go run in the 10's awhile... Then add juice or something, get it in the 9's... Call me. We'll chat... :nono:

I could rant that you have no idea how to build your own engine, so instead you bolt one in that someone else built. I don't. Why not? Because it can't advance the conversation in any meaningful way. By the same token, trash-talking about what your can has run vs someone else... uncalled for and quite childish, not to mention that it doesn't advance the conversation.

Did you say somethin??:takethat: Life is to short to bother replying to you.

:judge: Is there a way we can post this at the top of everythread? (especially in the street racing section)Heh... Thanks. You've pointed out the obvious to me... SIG WORTHY! :judge: :nod:

Did you say somethin??:takethat: Life is to short to bother replying to you.It's not that life is too short, or even that dwarfs like you are... It's your MENTAL CAPACITY... Your attention span is what's too short! The reality is each time you attempt to debate me, I smack you around till I get tired of wasting my time. Someone OBVIOUSLY let you in on that little (not so) secret. ;)

This all points out why my comment is sig worthy... You're one of those who can't intelligently debate the subject matter. I don't wanna say you're too stupid, but you make it difficult to find any other viable term. :jest:

So you're saying that "many" people have went 11.1x in a stock GT500 with tires? Also, you don't believe everything you see on the internet, do you? You can't be that naive. :lol:

No and no. If you looked at what I was saying instead of just trying to argue you would see that I was simply saying that people often run faster times across the country than what he sees himself at his track. And I believe that particular GT500 went 11.2x, after many trips to the track and lots of practice. So what he sees at his track doesn't always speak to the POTENTIAL of the cars in question. Do you believe that bolt-on/pullied GT500s on drag radials or slicks can only run 11.8s? Because apparently that is what he sees at his track and he takes it as gospel.

New to the market? It's been out nearly 3yrs already, except this bad ass engine, which really has too(considering the other cars it's been in). There's little or no reason those truly looking to go fast on the drag strip are having this much trouble, except weight(and the proper transfer thereof) and suspension.

I read whatever... I think I checked their websites... The 2 are the same base price. A couple hundred apart won't mean much to a buyer anyway. I mean, if I'm considering these two models, and I go into my local dealer and say, "But that one is $200.00 less..." I'm betting they'll take care of that issue immediately. 2 grand, not so fast. 200... that's like 2 cents against a sale.

Pretty much... yup.

Strictly drag racing and these two are the 2 options, I agree. There are others I'd rather in general. If it was for collecting reasons, I may have to go with the ZL1, since I don't think there will be many overall.

From what we've seen, the current 2012 GT500 will tear down the track right alongside this BEHEMOTH from Chevrolet! Slicks, ALONE got a 2011 GT500 to 11.2's... Add the other mods this ZL1 has and it's lights out for the Camaro! That's the current model and the 2013 is slated to hit dealerships fairly soon from what I've been reading... like next month. All other 2013's are apparently already for sale.

Traction is traction, regardless what provided it. Most cars seem to get better mph with any DOT style tire, but if I can pull 1.40's on slicks OR Nitto's, which would be more sensible?

What makes you the durability guru when it comes to the 5L? We know the engine is positively strong. We know it's pulled similar cars(2011 5L Mustangs) into the 8's already... Durability isn't in question, period.
For crying out LOUD.... You just CANNOT understand what he's saying, no matter how many times he says it, or in how many ways or words.

Lemme spell it out for you. The race track you go to... It's NOT the only one in the world! There are literally hundreds of thousands of races you'll never see 1st hand, some of those, he will... Because he'll be at a track you're not...

Step AWAY from the crack pipe! :swing:


Invest some time in proof reading, or hire someone who can help you navigate our language. Just because someone else hasn't run as quick as your car doesn't mean they're less intelligent or have less right to say what's on their mind. If you can intelligently debate the subject matter, you'll never have to use your car as your crutch. So far, you use it so much I recommend you go check it to make sure it isn't leaning due to the stress... :bomb:

Here we go with more... It's always about what you perceive of the quicker car, ONLY because it's beating the one you prefer, then ending with "What's yours run?" as if that's supposed to shut everyone up... My car ran what yours has... without slicks! I drove it to and from the track to boot... So? I got a crappy 1.8 short time and still knocked down an 11.2... 10 years ago. You're not as special as you seem to think you are. I'm, once again, just tired of your diarrhea of the mouth. Go run in the 10's awhile... Then add juice or something, get it in the 9's... Call me. We'll chat... :nono:

I could rant that you have no idea how to build your own engine, so instead you bolt one in that someone else built. I don't. Why not? Because it can't advance the conversation in any meaningful way. By the same token, trash-talking about what your can has run vs someone else... uncalled for and quite childish, not to mention that it doesn't advance the conversation.

Why even continue this thread when this guy has all the answers :jest:

And what was your raceweight when you did that...

3300 with me. I know the new car is heavy, but still, 600+rwhp and 11.0? I just can't get excited about it. If I could afford one, I doubt I would mod it much or drive it much. Be worth more in the long run probably. I am sure the car would do much better with about 500-600 pounds out of it. Don't get me wrong, I love the car, but it isn't a viable drag car really.

Why even continue this thread when this guy has all the answers :jest:If you really feel so strongly that you have to say something negative, how about showing your own hand and pointing out 1 or more instance where you believe I'm wrong rather than just make a blanket statement like you did? I know you have in you, so.... out with it.

Are you upset I didn't applaud you for your own input, but did mention(quote) others? If that's all it is, sorry... I'll try harder next time. :nod:

Yea.....I don't get it and you have yet to run a 13 must less a 11.

Yep, highly massaged/aftermarket boosted cars vs this very light bolt-on car. What is up with you guys always tryin to up the ante for comparisons? Give the car some time.

Btw..... What's yours run?


,,vvvvvvv

New to the market? It's been out nearly 3yrs already, except this bad ass engine, which really has too(considering the other cars it's been in). There's little or no reason those truly looking to go fast on the drag strip are having this much trouble, except weight(and the proper transfer thereof) and suspension.

I read whatever... I think I checked their websites... The 2 are the same base price. A couple hundred apart won't mean much to a buyer anyway. I mean, if I'm considering these two models, and I go into my local dealer and say, "But that one is $200.00 less..." I'm betting they'll take care of that issue immediately. 2 grand, not so fast. 200... that's like 2 cents against a sale.

Pretty much... yup.

Strictly drag racing and these two are the 2 options, I agree. There are others I'd rather in general. If it was for collecting reasons, I may have to go with the ZL1, since I don't think there will be many overall.

From what we've seen, the current 2012 GT500 will tear down the track right alongside this BEHEMOTH from Chevrolet! Slicks, ALONE got a 2011 GT500 to 11.2's... Add the other mods this ZL1 has and it's lights out for the Camaro! That's the current model and the 2013 is slated to hit dealerships fairly soon from what I've been reading... like next month. All other 2013's are apparently already for sale.

Traction is traction, regardless what provided it. Most cars seem to get better mph with any DOT style tire, but if I can pull 1.40's on slicks OR Nitto's, which would be more sensible?

What makes you the durability guru when it comes to the 5L? We know the engine is positively strong. We know it's pulled similar cars(2011 5L Mustangs) into the 8's already... Durability isn't in question, period.
For crying out LOUD.... You just CANNOT understand what he's saying, no matter how many times he says it, or in how many ways or words.

Lemme spell it out for you. The race track you go to... It's NOT the only one in the world! There are literally hundreds of thousands of races you'll never see 1st hand, some of those, he will... Because he'll be at a track you're not...

Step AWAY from the crack pipe! :swing:


Invest some time in proof reading, or hire someone who can help you navigate our language. Just because someone else hasn't run as quick as your car doesn't mean they're less intelligent or have less right to say what's on their mind. If you can intelligently debate the subject matter, you'll never have to use your car as your crutch. So far, you use it so much I recommend you go check it to make sure it isn't leaning due to the stress... :bomb:

Here we go with more... It's always about what you perceive of the quicker car, ONLY because it's beating the one you prefer, then ending with "What's yours run?" as if that's supposed to shut everyone up... My car ran what yours has... without slicks! I drove it to and from the track to boot... So? I got a crappy 1.8 short time and still knocked down an 11.2... 10 years ago. You're not as special as you seem to think you are. I'm, once again, just tired of your diarrhea of the mouth. Go run in the 10's awhile... Then add juice or something, get it in the 9's... Call me. We'll chat... :nono:

I could rant that you have no idea how to build your own engine, so instead you bolt one in that someone else built. I don't. Why not? Because it can't advance the conversation in any meaningful way. By the same token, trash-talking about what your can has run vs someone else... uncalled for and quite childish, not to mention that it doesn't advance the conversation.

you've got hio quoted saying that no one knows how the gt500's gonna run? google it. there's a website reporting 11.5's. stock. i'd imagine with a pulley change, drag radials, bigger injectors, and whatever else they did to that zl, that the gt500 would be easily into the 10's. :D

You guys bicker like girls I tell ya. :jest:I just can fathom why people on the internet get so serious over people they'll probably never even meet.

On another note, the ZL1 is a pretty decent performer. I'll have to admit though, id take the '13 GT500 if it came down to it. :usa:

So what's so much better about the 2013 gt 500?

So what's so much better about the 2013 gt 500?

IMHO, it looks better, and it comes conveniently equipped with 650HP.

670hp

670hp

Even better. Though, the appearance of the GT500 is the main reason why I'd go that direction.

IMHO, it looks better, and it comes conveniently equipped with 650HP.

that vette in your sig is pretty dam hot looking.

Even better. Though, the appearance of the GT500 is the main reason why I'd go that direction.

same here.....but not the convertible.

So what's so much better about the 2013 gt 500?Oh, you haven't heard?
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-official-photos-and-info-news

:D





IMHO, it looks better, and it comes conveniently equipped with 650HP.I personally think that the 2012 Mustangs might actually look a little better than the 2013s but still a good lookin' car either way. :nod:

You guys bicker like girls I tell ya. :jest:I just can fathom why people on the internet get so serious over people they'll probably never even meet. :lol: This is the most fun I get to have anymore... That's why I do it! Besides, Hiho gets all bent with everyone, calls names, generally pouts is whines and we all get a laugh, just because he's such a narcissist and braggart, not actually having accomplished anything someone else hasn't done years or even decades before.

On another note, the ZL1 is a pretty decent performer. I'll have to admit though, id take the '13 GT500 if it came down to it. :usa:I agree and said much the same, except on the getting a GT500 instead. I would, but I'd have done that even if this ZL1 were performing as we've come to expect, which I think it will at least get close to once people learn how to drive it. With the 2013 GT500, Ford really needs to unleash one with an automatic as strong as their TorqShift! That dog would surely hunt! Then the race car would be in question.

So what's so much better about the 2013 gt 500?

The fact that I (and many others) would be willing to bet on a 2013 GT500 bone stock+the same tires running better times than this ZL1.

:lol: This is the most fun I get to have anymore... That's why I do it! Besides, Hiho gets all bent with everyone, calls names, generally pouts is whines and we all get a laugh, just because he's such a narcissist and braggart, not actually having accomplished anything someone else hasn't done years or even decades before.

I agree and said much the same, except on the getting a GT500 instead. I would, but I'd have done that even if this ZL1 were performing as we've come to expect, which I think it will at least get close to once people learn how to drive it. With the 2013 GT500, Ford really needs to unleash one with an automatic as strong as their TorqShift! That dog would surely hunt! Then the race car would be in question.

Why don't you go back and look at who is callin who names. You have ltcrap preachin his normal crap, by the way he has never his car to the track but will tell you they're perfectly capable runnin 8's. Irunelevens that has never done anything.....and you lieing as usual about something you used to do. I'm not bent, I could care less what you think.

Meh, I'm not surprised.

GM engineers were more or less touting the ZL1 to outdo the GT500 on the road course, hardly on the drag strip. Now hotlaps on the roadcourse is one thing, but maybe over the span of 15-20 laps, that might be completely different horse race. I'd love to see how bad the tire and brake wear is for the ZL1 over a longer race event compared to the GT500 because of the excessive weight.

Really all of the big 3 need to look at Lotus and Mazda. Mazda have pretty darned good cars with nice features and safety but not so stinking HEAVY! I love being able to lift my Mazda without my shop hydraulics protesting.

Why don't you go back and look at who is callin who names. You have ltcrap preachin his normal crap, by the way he has never his car to the track but will tell you they're perfectly capable runnin 8's. Irunelevens that has never done anything.....and you lieing as usual about something you used to do. I'm not bent, I could care less what you think.You are bent. You can't even find yourself a moment to take a breath and LOOK at the words you're trying to type... You get so mad that you just go off... Simple words like "lying" are too tough for you because YOU'RE MAD, BRO! :lol:

On that note, name 1 single thing that I'm lying about, not to include opinions(like the above, for example- regardless how spot on it really is)... Don't waste our time making things up, just point out 1 thing. I know you can't do it even better than you know you can't and, oddly, of the few things you actually do know, that's one of them!

When did 1ltcap say his car/s will run 8's? Show us, or YOU are just lying. We know you aren't too big to lie. I can't say that about everyone else.

One more point... you started this response by telling me that I should go back and see who's calling names... See post #14, because I actually did go look... It was... YOU! This is hardly the only thread either, so maybe don't go there anymore. ;)

I always thought gt500's were unimpressive. This car smokes the current one. I have no idea what some of you nuthuggers are thinking. From the vids I've seen the gt500 needs a whipple to mph in the same league as this car. No one even knows how the 13 gt500 will run yet.......and we are still in '12 by the way so compare it to the current model.

Why don't you go back and look at who is callin who names. You have ltcrap preachin his normal crap, by the way he has never his car to the track but will tell you they're perfectly capable runnin 8's. Irunelevens that has never done anything.....and you lieing as usual about something you used to do. I'm not bent, I could care less what you think.

i never said 8's, i never said mine. just sayin. get yer facts straight. oh yea....if you aren't bent, why the name calling?

if ya want, c'mon up to nj. we can either have a drink, or you can kick my ass. either way......well.....i know you won't come up.

but......since you seem to not believe it....bolt ons. at least i think you guys seem to consider a blower a bolt on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siqUezuWSyE&feature=related

even better....i'll keep you up to date on when i can get to a track day at milleville. bring your dd up, and we'll run there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oQW6eg9ruU

Sick stang videos!!! Oh and that ZL1, just heavy but not bad.

I don't know why you guys are hating so much on this car with the times it ran on a FIRST TIME OUT, the car probably doesn't even have 1000 miles in it, no weight reduction what so ever, to me its pretty impressive, we've all seen people spend thousands of dollars on killer set ups expecting to run 7s 8s 9s whatever and they freaking run a low 10 sometimes worse on the first run down the track, that doesn't mean boo it out, it sucks its slow im disappointed in it, a regular day at the strip is known as "TEST AND TUNE" that's exactly what LINGENFELTER is doing with the brand spanking new ZL1 i honestly expect way better times in the future once they get to know it a lil better...BUT for the price of that amount of power i would never in my life buy a car like that unless i win the lottery, you can build something way faster with less

[QUOTE=LS1LT1;16209702]Oh, you haven't heard?
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-official-photos-and-info-news

:D


I have lol. I just wanted to see what everyone would say. Looks and 650+hp is what i read lol.

I don't believe in shit until I see numbers... So all this HP/TQ talk of the 2013 GT500 :eyes: but imo I think the ZL1 looks better then the GT500. Not saying it doesn't look bad but I just hate those damn taillights

I don't know I just think this looks mean as fuck!
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=287607&d=1316125696
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=287599&d=1316125696

see those goofy cutouts just under the headlights? THAT uglifies the camaro.

and does the zl1 come with a cage?

You are bent. You can't even find yourself a moment to take a breath and LOOK at the words you're trying to type... You get so mad that you just go off... Simple words like "lying" are too tough for you because YOU'RE MAD, BRO! :lol:

On that note, name 1 single thing that I'm lying about, not to include opinions(like the above, for example- regardless how spot on it really is)... Don't waste our time making things up, just point out 1 thing. I know you can't do it even better than you know you can't and, oddly, of the few things you actually do know, that's one of them!

When did 1ltcap say his car/s will run 8's? Show us, or YOU are just lying. We know you aren't too big to lie. I can't say that about everyone else.

One more point... you started this response by telling me that I should go back and see who's calling names... See post #14, because I actually did go look... It was... YOU! This is hardly the only thread either, so maybe don't go there anymore. ;)

Yep...I called you a nuthugger because you are. And your always on a ls site trying to shove that shit down our throat....if the shoe fits, wear it.

It's not like I called you a bitch, a fag or made fun of your little penis.....and I did'nt make anything up or read into and twist anything you said....as you like to do.

I never said ltcap's car run 8's. But I made a point to let everyone know he has'nt ran it yet, and that came from his own post;). If your gonna bitch about what others has run. Then you best run your own shit. He said 5.0's were in the 8's......like they were unmodified in the 8's.

you're at it again. i never said unmodified in the 8's. if i did, quote it please.

before this thread, i'm pretty sure i mentioned in other threads i've not run my car as yet...and possibly wouldn't on the strip. she will see road courses though. that's why i bought a boss airdam, and the brake cooling kit to go with it.

you wanna bring your car up here, and run on the road course? it'll be fun, and we can get a couple other guys that i think live up this way to come down too. or is your preference to just keep bitching at us here?:cheers:

you're at it again. i never said unmodified in the 8's. if i did, quote it please.

before this thread, i'm pretty sure i mentioned in other threads i've not run my car as yet...and possibly wouldn't on the strip. she will see road courses though. that's why i bought a boss airdam, and the brake cooling kit to go with it.

you wanna bring your car up here, and run on the road course? it'll be fun, and we can get a couple other guys that i think live up this way to come down too. or is your preference to just keep bitching at us here?:cheers:

I have had it on Summit Point a couple times. I have r-compound tires on it and to be honest. It scares the shit out of me, not to the point I can't make it go. But when I look down and it's goin 160 down the straight and approaching 100+ in some turns I'm like wtf and sol w/o a cage/safety crap. I spun it off in the weeds when it had about 5000 miles on it once....lol I'm about to order some knew koni's for it from Strano. I will want to take it to try those out.

I have had it on Summit Point a couple times. I have r-compound tires on it and to be honest. It scares the shit out of me, not to the point I can't make it go. But when I look down and it's goin 160 down the straight and approaching 100+ in some turns I'm like wtf and sol w/o a cage/safety crap. I spun it off in the weeds when it had about 5000 miles on it once....lol I'm about to order some knew koni's for it from Strano. I will want to take it to try those out.

i won't be running r compounds. the only things i'm gonna change, are like i mentioned.....the air dam, and the brake cooling kit. i have the brembo's, but i've read that even those are prone to fading. so i figured that since ford makes this kit, it's a good excuse to put a cool looking air dam on it.

i don't think you'd get to 160 at milleville.

i won't be running r compounds. the only things i'm gonna change, are like i mentioned.....the air dam, and the brake cooling kit. i have the brembo's, but i've read that even those are prone to fading. so i figured that since ford makes this kit, it's a good excuse to put a cool looking air dam on it.

i don't think you'd get to 160 at milleville.

I've never been to Milleville. You could and should rig up some brake ducts. My car would need those too, probably even more and I have worked on my brakes little.

Yep...I called you a nuthugger because you are. And your always on a ls site trying to shove that shit down our throat....if the shoe fits, wear it. I said... I read what appears to be the same article you have here, already posted in another thread. That one didn't mention replaced injectors that I noticed, but it did mention skinnies. This article actually mentions them, just not by calling them skinnies... 5.5" tires on 17's instead. It isn't like they're invisible anyway.

Sadly, the mention of these mods and not nailing any 10's is going to give the GT500 crowd something to howl over because those apparently have run well into the 10's with the same basic changes. I seem to remember big talk over 11.22 with only a set of slicks bolted on out back. Whatever though. Nobody truly expected this car to run with the GT500 on a drag strip anyway, except in the auto ZL1.

This ZL1 is a strong runner. It may not be the quickest car, but it is an instant classic. It will have a strong following for another 40yrs, the good Lord willing and the creeks don't rise, if ya know what I mean. :judge: and was really only responding because I felt, after nearly 3hrs up, this thread could use some help... To you, that's "nut hugging" and surely it all makes sense now... Since I was talking up a CHEVROLET CAMARO and you're 100% convinced I hate all things GM... Get a clue man... Get a clue. You're seriously acting like a child and it seems to never end with you. I know you're not the brightest bulb on the tree as well as everyone else here, but that's no excuse beyond the confines of your own home.

It's not like I called you a bitch, a fag or made fun of your little penis.....and I did'nt make anything up or read into and twist anything you said....as you like to do.It's not about the specific name you call anyone... It's about the fact you constantly do what you can to stir things up, degrading other people, trash talking particularly those you believe your car can outrun. I'm not only not impressed, but I'm not alone in this sentiment. Others have told you hundreds of times and still, you dredge along as if it's the 1st time you ever started trouble online... Then you friggin' cry foul when you get your internet ass handed to you on a platter of laughter. That's when you say things like, 'What are you even doing on a LS1 site?'

You go on to insinuate that if others don't have AND prefer that which you have and prefer, they're not allowed here. You don't get to decide and when you do, you'll be the guy with ADMIN under his name. I donno, but I kinda doubt that'll ever happen.

I never said ltcap's car run 8's. But I made a point to let everyone know he has'nt ran it yet, and that came from his own post;). If your gonna bitch about what others has run. Then you best run your own shit. He said 5.0's were in the 8's......like they were unmodified in the 8's.You claimed here that HE said it will run 8's. I know you never said it would, so what's your point?

Nobody ever said, or insinuated that the new 5L Mustang runs 8's on the 1/4 mile in unmodified form. Many of us said we've seen 8's... We have. So what? This leads right in to my final point... STOP CRYING about what other people said, specifically when you don't even have it correct... Go re-read if you must.. Like POST #2... Go on and try that again, and ask yourself how this(me) supposed GM hater and Ford nuthugger could've POSSIBLY said that????

You're more mixed up than a Bloody Mary in a blender!

I said... and was really only responding because I felt, after nearly 3hrs up, this thread could use some help... To you, that's "nut hugging" and surely it all makes sense now... Since I was talking up a CHEVROLET CAMARO and you're 100% convinced I hate all things GM... Get a clue man... Get a clue. You're seriously acting like a child and it seems to never end with you. I know you're not the brightest bulb on the tree as well as everyone else here, but that's no excuse beyond the confines of your own home.

It's not about the specific name you call anyone... It's about the fact you constantly do what you can to stir things up, degrading other people, trash talking particularly those you believe your car can outrun. I'm not only not impressed, but I'm not alone in this sentiment. Others have told you hundreds of times and still, you dredge along as if it's the 1st time you ever started trouble online... Then you friggin' cry foul when you get your internet ass handed to you on a platter of laughter. That's when you say things like, 'What are you even doing on a LS1 site?'

You go on to insinuate that if others don't have AND prefer that which you have and prefer, they're not allowed here. You don't get to decide and when you do, you'll be the guy with ADMIN under his name. I donno, but I kinda doubt that'll ever happen.

You claimed here that HE said it will run 8's. I know you never said it would, so what's your point?

Nobody ever said, or insinuated that the new 5L Mustang runs 8's on the 1/4 mile in unmodified form. Many of us said we've seen 8's... We have. So what? This leads right in to my final point... STOP CRYING about what other people said, specifically when you don't even have it correct... Go re-read if you must.. Like POST #2... Go on and try that again, and ask yourself how this(me) supposed GM hater and Ford nuthugger could've POSSIBLY said that????

You're more mixed up than a Bloody Mary in a blender!
And I'm the mixed up one. Why would a 8sec highly modified car ever even me mentioned in a thread about a car test like this if someone was not trying to one up it......but I'm the mixed up one....good try.

And I'm the mixed up one. Why would a 8sec highly modified car ever even me mentioned in a thread about a car test like this if someone was not trying to one up it......but I'm the mixed up one....good try.Where, in this thread, is this "8sec" car talked about? I just went and re-read all of his posts and never saw mention of 8 anything until he defended himself from you saying that he said it... Gimme the post # so I can try to make heads or tails of it myself???

PS That still doesn't address your comment that I'm a nuthuuger... Clearly, you are, but I speak well of cars that perform well as the factory built them on a regular basis, regardless the brand. Plus, as I've said many times, the Corvette ZO6 is still my favorite production car. If I hated GM, that couldn't really be the case. ;)

Not going to waste my time reading all these long posts.... So Ill just leave you guys with this


http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/003/374/Cool_story_bro_.jpg

10.7 @ 134
Link Here:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217417

10.7 @ 134
Link Here:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217417

"The same as the red car plus some additional modifications (OD damper, CNC ported heads, LPE GT9 camshaft, low restriction race filter)."

That's a lot of mods to run what GT500s run with the stock pulley and bolt-ons.

Only a matter of time... & again the 2013 GT500 have YET to be confirmed & released! You can say its got 650 hp but I wont believe shit until I see it on a dyno & at a track

He's talking about the one that is out right now! :lol:

disappointed, very, all that power and not even a 10.9x.

lpe already in the 10's lol awesome, they could easily get a good bit of et out of the 60 ft's. Driveline is impressive for holding th e power.

thats not slow but i was hoping for more.

maybe they need to let the tune settle in

thats not slow but i was hoping for more.

That's exactly what the disappointment is here, even though the "fanboys" think we're just hating. This car is not living up to the hype so far (still early), but that doesn't mean it is slow. The car is damn fast, but many were expecting more. Requiring that many mods to hit 10.7xx is a disappointment in my eyes.

That's exactly what the disappointment is here, even though the "fanboys" think we're just hating. This car is not living up to the hype so far (still early), but that doesn't mean it is slow. The car is damn fast, but many were expecting more. Requiring that many mods to hit 10.7xx is a disappointment in my eyes.

dam fast ain't the right phrase. it's crazy fast to have a warrantied street car going that fast.

i don't buy the "it's too heavy" excuse. i honestly would've thought it to be somewhat faster. maybe it will be in the near future.

That's exactly what the disappointment is here, even though the "fanboys" think we're just hating. This car is not living up to the hype so far (still early), but that doesn't mean it is slow. The car is damn fast, but many were expecting more. Requiring that many mods to hit 10.7xx is a disappointment in my eyes.

This.

I love the ZL1 but so far its straight line performance isn't what they claimed this car to be.

I blame the zeta 2 :secret2:

Only a matter of time... & again the 2013 GT500 have YET to be confirmed & released! You can say its got 650 hp but I wont believe shit until I see it on a dyno & at a track

Why are some of you nutswingers still calling bullshit on confirmed horsepower numbers?? To be honest you guys were right by not believing Ford...it's actually 670hp! And like someone else said, the CURRENT GT500 has ran faster than either of these ZL1s with FAR less mods. I think the ZL1 is about on par with the pre-2010 GT500, if we are talking drag only anyway.

So Heads, Cam, Intake, 109 octane race gas, tune, pullies, Big and Littles, and everything else in the world they could throw at it just to run high 10's????
Are we supposed to be impressed? Is anyone impressed? Hell is anyone not disappointed?
722 Rwhp and 651 ft/lbs of torque to run 10's. Isn't that like around 825-850 flywheel hp?
Only a matter of time... & again the 2013 GT500 have YET to be confirmed & released! You can say its got 650 hp but I wont believe shit until I see it on a dyno & at a track

Read the HotRod magazine article, it makes closer to 670hp.

He's talking about the one that is out right now! :lol:

Lol.

The bad part of this car is that GM tested it against a 2010 GT500 when they were building it....didn't they notice the GT500 was faster?

maybe a similarly set up stalled auto will be faster. lower trap most likely though.

Only a matter of time... & again the 2013 GT500 have YET to be confirmed & released! You can say its got 650 hp but I wont believe shit until I see it on a dyno & at a trackThat's just being foolish. I'm sure we'll see the new GT500 laying down ALL of 575rwhp, depending on the dyno.

Enough on that. I'm in the "SAY IT AIN'T SO" boat... Way too many mods to get it into the 10's... ported heads and a cam along with the other mods? 722rwhp? That's plenty of power for mid 10's... and mid 9's in a better drag car. This is officially sad. The current GT500 isn't as heavy, but with these mods, there's not way it wouldn't be running quicker. Dare I say it would be in the 9's?

There's just something not right about these new ZL1's... I wonder if the factory settings on the ECM are preventing timing, lessening fuel or something?? That is, and preventing a tuner override.

That's just being foolish. I'm sure we'll see the new GT500 laying down ALL of 575rwhp, depending on the dyno.

Enough on that. I'm in the "SAY IT AIN'T SO" boat... Way too many mods to get it into the 10's... ported heads and a cam along with the other mods? 722rwhp? That's plenty of power for mid 10's... and mid 9's in a better drag car. This is officially sad. The current GT500 isn't as heavy, but with these mods, there's not way it wouldn't be running quicker. Dare I say it would be in the 9's?

There's just something not right about these new ZL1's... I wonder if the factory settings on the ECM are preventing timing, lessening fuel or something?? That is, and preventing a tuner override.

I don't think it has anything to do the computer, it's putting out 722rwhp.
Also look at the 60' time 1.6x's, I did that in my stalled auto Z28. The ZL1 launches like a Dump truck. A big fat bloated Dump truck.

I guess I just hate to think... "There it is boys, have fun." If this is where we are, GM just offered its biggest blunder since the 2nd gen during the mid 70's. They may as well have added FWD and called it a Grand Cherokee SRT-8 killer!

Point is, something seems very wrong at this point. There's just no reason to make over 700whp and run like grandma, albeit grandma on "big sale" day. Sure, it's quick, but it aught to be quicker.

I agree that the results (so far) are not quite up to expectations for that power level.
And not to make excuses or anything but as was mentioned earlier we all know that very few cars run their absolute BEST the very first time out/testing & tuning at the track.
Weather conditions, driver's skill, tire pressures etc will all effect 1/4 mile performance and yes, these cars are simply VERY heavy.
I've personally witnessed a naturally aspirated/heads & cam 5th gen Camaro SS (a 515rwhp package designed/tuned by Cartek Performance Engineering) run 10.8s at 128/129mph in good air conditions and with a little bit of weight reduction (seats out, skinnies on the front) so I'm quite certain that with over 600+ and even 700+rwhp :eek: these Lingenfelter cars will eventually run notably quicker too.
And yes, we still haven't seen what an automatic ZL1 might do. :burn:

Not to state the obvious but, the Mustang GT500s will always have an advantage because they're lighter and they have (strong) solid rears in them.

I agree that the results (so far) are not quite up to expectations for that power level.
And not to make excuses or anything but as was mentioned earlier we all know that very few cars run their absolute BEST the very first time out/testing & tuning at the track.
Weather conditions, driver's skill, tire pressures etc will all effect 1/4 mile performance and yes, these cars are simply VERY heavy.
I've personally witnessed a naturally aspirated/heads & cam 5th gen Camaro SS (a 515rwhp package designed/tuned by Cartek Performance Engineering) run 10.8s at 128/129mph in good air conditions and with a little bit of weight reduction (seats out, skinnies on the front) so I'm quite certain that with over 600+ and even 700+rwhp :eek: these Lingenfelter cars will eventually run notably quicker too.
And yes, we still haven't seen what an automatic ZL1 might do. :burn:

Not to state the obvious but, the Mustang GT500s will always have an advantage because they're lighter and they have (strong) solid rears in them.
being hennesey, i think we can eliminate driver skill. i'd think that their drivers could jump in pretty much anything, and glean it's best time in fairly short order.

being hennesey, i think we can eliminate driver skill. i'd think that their drivers could jump in pretty much anything, and glean it's best time in fairly short order.

has hennessey run faster than LPE?

has hennessey run faster than LPE?

i got no clue. my point was that they(or any of those bigger guys) have drivers that know how to get the best out of a car, and fairly quickly.

being hennesey, i think we can eliminate driver skill. i'd think that their drivers could jump in pretty much anything, and glean it's best time in fairly short order.

Agreed, and it's not like they only did one run and called it good either. The only thing really making a difference is the track conditions for the runs, which I'm guessing were pretty good too.

Not sure if this is a repost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYwdE-Pv8iA&feature=youtu.be

Not sure if this is a repost.



That is a lot better 11.68 with tires and with what I assume is a CAI.

Not sure if this is a repost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYwdE-Pv8iA&feature=youtu.be

that's encouraging. with a stall and some boost and LTs it might see 10s. lighten it up too.

That car also did a 12.04 STOCK and its an automatic.


I still say high 11s is possible for this car stock with driver mod in due time.

That car also did a 12.04 STOCK and its an automatic.


I still say high 11s is possible for this car stock with driver mod in due time.

i agree. it appears this car might run what GM was claiming it would.

dunno if this is stock....but if it's even close, then this makes the zl that much more disappointing.

also......is it me, or did torquamada forget to pull out of the water before heating his tires on that zl?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVOyY0EVEIg&feature=related

That is a lot better 11.68 with tires and with what I assume is a CAI.

The CURRENT GT500 has ran 11.7 totally stock on the horrible stock tires they come with. These cars are not going to keep up with the 2010 (yes, 2010) to 2012 GT500s from what I've seen, stock for stock or mod for mod. Well, assuming both cars are running drag radials or slicks that is. GM should have spent the money on making a new lighter Camaro instead of the ZL1!

dunno if this is stock....but if it's even close, then this makes the zl that much more disappointing.

also......is it me, or did torquamada forget to pull out of the water before heating his tires on that zl?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVOyY0EVEIg&feature=related

am i missing something? i see no zl1 in that video?

The CURRENT GT500 has ran 11.7 totally stock on the horrible stock tires they come with. These cars are not going to keep up with the 2010 (yes, 2010) to 2012 GT500s from what I've seen, stock for stock or mod for mod. Well, assuming both cars are running drag radials or slicks that is. GM should have spent the money on making a new lighter Camaro instead of the ZL1!

who has run an 11.7 in a stock gt500?

The CURRENT GT500 has ran 11.7 totally stock on the horrible stock tires they come with. These cars are not going to keep up with the 2010 (yes, 2010) to 2012 GT500s from what I've seen, stock for stock or mod for mod. Well, assuming both cars are running drag radials or slicks that is. GM should have spent the money on making a new lighter Camaro instead of the ZL1!

Well you're obviously a Ford nut swinger and GM hater :lol:

am i missing something? i see no zl1 in that video?



who has run an 11.7 in a stock gt500?

no, you're not missing anything. my zl1 question was referng to the video of the white one. it looked good......but i don't recall EVER staying in the water to heat my tires....on anything. it was a pull in the water, blip the throttle to wet them, roll out of the water, and light em up.
goofy there simply pulled into the water, and lit em up. i kinda wonder if that hurt his times a little....

no, you're not missing anything. my zl1 question was referng to the video of the white one. it looked good......but i don't recall EVER staying in the water to heat my tires....on anything. it was a pull in the water, blip the throttle to wet them, roll out of the water, and light em up.
goofy there simply pulled into the water, and lit em up. i kinda wonder if that hurt his times a little....

OH. i would agree that staying in the water box would defeat the purpose of heating up your tires but i havent been to a track in years.

dunno how accurate these guys are......http://www.zeroto60times.com/Shelby-Sports-Car-0-60-mph-Times.html

but they're listing the 013 gt500 at 0-60 in 3.6, and 1/4 at 11.5. mm-ff guestimates times from 11.7 to 11.5 at over 120mph.

I don't care if it's a pig or not, I want this car.

Besides it not breaking into the 10's, this car will embarrass any GT500 in the twisties.

you'veseen tghe rumors of the 2 gt500's that were at nurburgring running mid 7:40's, and mid 7:30's, right?

dunno how accurate these guys are......http://www.zeroto60times.com/Shelby-Sports-Car-0-60-mph-Times.html

but they're listing the 013 gt500 at 0-60 in 3.6, and 1/4 at 11.5. mm-ff guestimates times from 11.7 to 11.5 at over 120mph.

this new gt500 is going to be insane. i know previous gt500s have trapped 120 stock. that ive read from a reputable source. im betting a 125 trap stock from a new one with a pro type driver.

That car also did a 12.04 STOCK and its an automatic.So it ran nearly .4 better with slicks and a CAI? Not too impressive for a "580hp" car. I hope it gets better, or GM will be the laughing stock of the pony car world, soon to be formerly enjoyed by the Dodge brand.

I still say high 11s is possible for this car stock with driver mod in due time.That may still happen. It isn't like PBIA is seeing the best weather right about now.
I still don't get that miserable gain with tires and any version of a CAI. 118.60mph? Whoa! That's BOSS 302 territory. :bomb:

I'm honestly feeling embarrassed for thinking this car was going to be a genuine terror for the Mustang world. It's looking pretty rough so far. I said earlier, maybe GM has some imbedded hardware not allowing the car to launch. Now I just hope so. I was expecting more, but it's probably just due to all the loudmouth crap coming from the ZL1 team. Watching so far, I wonder if any of these boys knows what a 1/4 mile drag strip looks like... :zzz:

i hope someone gets one of these things to ATCO. cars seem to like that track for some reason.

The 2013 GT500 seems to be pretty close and accurate to what most are guessing so I wouldn't be surprised so we will see in time when they start hitting the tracks as well. When do they start going to owners btw?

So it ran nearly .4 better with slicks and a CAI? Not too impressive for a "580hp" car. I hope it gets better, or GM will be the laughing stock of the pony car world, soon to be formerly enjoyed by the Dodge brand.


No it ran that time STOCK, CAI and slicks were on the 11sec run. Unless that's what you are talking about then I agree. Also I don't think they will be the laughing stock of the pony car world seeing as how the Camaro is outselling Mustang/Challenger. I am not trying to defend the car as I too was expecting better straight line performance from it but the car has only been in the hands of owners for only a month now...if that so can't really call it a disappointment just yet. I am very curious to see people start road racing this thing with the suspension setup on it I bet it does pretty well for its pig weight it got around the ring better then what people were expecting.

They seem like they respond decent to mods (which is expected), but I'm kind of let down by how this car performs out of the box. At this point I would be willing to do a 2010 GT500 over one, because I'm not in the slightest bit impressed.

also, wouldnt a CAI affect this cars tune? ive heard and read with FI vehicles sometimes adjustments are necessary.

who has run an 11.7 in a stock gt500?

I can't find it, but here's a mag test running 11.95 at 120mph stock/stock tires and 11.59 at 118mph stock with drag radials...on a 2010, with 10 less horsepower and what, 100lbs or so less engine weight than the 2011/12s have-

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_0910_2010_ford_shelby_gt500_drag_test/viewall.html


Well you're obviously a Ford nut swinger and GM hater :lol:

FORD FTW!! :swing:

this new gt500 is going to be insane. i know previous gt500s have trapped 120 stock. that ive read from a reputable source. im betting a 125 trap stock from a new one with a pro type driver.

bolded....that's gonna be the key with BOTH of these cars. i kinda think that most people that buy them won't really have a clue as to how to drive them to their potentials.

i hope someone gets one of these things to ATCO. cars seem to like that track for some reason.

they generally do an excellent job of prepping the track at atco.

also, wouldnt a CAI affect this cars tune? ive heard and read with FI vehicles sometimes adjustments are necessary.

here's a question on those for the camaros.

don't these camaros already get their air from just behind the center of the radiator grille? and if they do, isn't it kind of stupid to kill that source of fresh ambient air, and then place the inlet under the hood where it can then suck in all that hot as hell underhood air?

That car also did a 12.04 STOCK and its an automatic.

I still say high 11s is possible for this car stock with driver mod in due time.I agree.
And that 11.68 with just sticky rear tires and a CAI is not bad at all for south Florida air and at full weight.

I suspect that the ETs/trap speeds for the ZL1 will slowly improve as time passes on (as they tend to do with ANY brand new performance car).

By the same token, if a 2013 GT500 comes out swingin' with an 11.5 (or better) and 123+mph bone stock it will likely find it's way into the high 10s just a short time later with only a rear tire and a CAI change. :nod:

The 2013 GT500 seems to be pretty close and accurate to what most are guessing so I wouldn't be surprised so we will see in time when they start hitting the tracks as well. When do they start going to owners btw?According to what I've been reading, next month, June at the latest.

No it ran that time STOCK, CAI and slicks were on the 11sec run. Unless that's what you are talking about then I agree.Well, yeah... 12.04 minus 11.689 leaves about .4 and that's a sad difference.

Also I don't think they will be the laughing stock of the pony car world seeing as how the Camaro is outselling Mustang/Challenger.The Camaro is outselling the other two, but the ZL1 will be limited to begin and if these track times(stock) don't improve soon, it will sell even less.

Besides, the GM crowd laughed at the Mustang once the LS1 4th gen came out and the Mustang was crushing it in sales... into submission, I might add.
I am not trying to defend the car as I too was expecting better straight line performance from it but the car has only been in the hands of owners for only a month now...if that so can't really call it a disappointment just yet.I haven't seen a regular owner with one yet, but these shops have them, along with "hired guns" to race them. It is disheartening so far.

I am very curious to see people start road racing this thing with the suspension setup on it I bet it does pretty well for its pig weight it got around the ring better then what people were expecting.That may be the niche for this one, but ... nah, I'll leave it at that for now. I like much about this car. I'm quite disappointed even though I had no intention to buy one for myself.

If they wanted a good road track car they should have left it N/A and went for light weight. 4000+lbs is a lot to throw around a corner no matter how good the brakes and suspension are. A Grand Sport would be a much better pick if you wanted something to take corners with.

If they wanted a good road track car they should have left it N/A and went for light weight. 4000+lbs is a lot to throw around a corner no matter how good the brakes and suspension are. A Grand Sport would be a much better pick if you wanted something to take corners with.Sure, for a multi-lap or short, tight course race.

Doesn't the ZL1 beat the Grand Sport already? Not that I think it would in a long race because either heat soak or braking will become a problem for this heavy, supercharged beast at some point.

If the ZO6 were in this things price range, they'd never sell a ZL1! :jest:

You guys are forgetting one importing factor: SALES! That's where GM wins the race. And mark my words, these ZL1's will sell like crazy, and will surely outsell the GT500. I'll put my $ on that. :D

Then we should be talking about how the F-series truck is DESTROYING the Camaro and Mustang. Sales mean nothing when they are so close to the same between the cars (and I don't see the ZL1 outselling the GT500); this isn't like the F-body days when the Mustang was outselling it three to one.

The only test I've seen had the Grand Sport braking shorter and beating the ZL1 on the skidpad. Which would lead to it winning around a track as the power to weight ratio is close.

Then we should be talking about how the F-series truck is DESTROYING the Camaro and Mustang. Sales mean nothing when they are so close to the same between the cars (and I don't see the ZL1 outselling the GT500); this isn't like the F-body days when the Mustang was outselling it three to one.

The only test I've seen had the Grand Sport braking shorter and beating the ZL1 on the skidpad. Which would lead to it winning around a track as the power to weight ratio is close.

But were not talking TRUCKS smart guy. I was just providing a different point of view besides the one everyone else is talking about. Don't get butt hurt. The GT500 is a sweet car, I might buy one in the future. :)

I'm pretty sure none of us here are making any money based on GM or Ford selling more cars, so sales figures when talking about the performance of two cars makes no difference. We might as well start talking horsepower to liter, which one gets better gas mileage, which has more cargo area, is safer for the environment, etc...none of that maters when we are talking 1/4 mile performance.

I'm pretty sure none of us here are making any money based on GM or Ford selling more cars, so sales figures when talking about the performance of two cars makes no difference. We might as well start talking horsepower to liter, which one gets better gas mileage, which has more cargo area, is safer for the environment, etc...none of that maters when we are talking 1/4 mile performance.

mustang wins in all those catagories. :D:engarde:

You guys are forgetting one importing factor: SALES! That's where GM wins the race. And mark my words, these ZL1's will sell like crazy, and will surely outsell the GT500. I'll put my $ on that. :D

What makes you think the ZL1 will outsell the GT500?

I'm pretty sure none of us here are making any money based on GM or Ford selling more carsWell actually, I do hold quite a few thousand shares of Ford common stock so sales could possibly impact my wallet LOL. :D
But I do hear what you're sayin'. :nod:

id say the camaro vs mustang sales are pretty neck and neck. especially with the shelby vs the zl1, i think the zl1 with attract a lot of collectors especially if they have a 1st gen zl1. but the shelby is just another fast shelby, not a special limited edition. limited but not too limited. good luck to both GM and Ford with both having good products. but i'm still a die hard chevy fan. i will always choose a camaro over a mustang. IMO it sounds better, handles better, and i feel at home driving my camaros. overall im proud of what the zl1 has to offer for these non-race car enthusiasts, as well as potential to be fast as hell.

You guys are forgetting one importing factor: SALES! That's where GM wins the race. And mark my words, these ZL1's will sell like crazy, and will surely outsell the GT500. I'll put my $ on that. :DIf they do, and they very well may, it isn't about performance. It's about memories... like being a kid and hearing of the now famed ZL1 and not being able to afford it then, but being able now.

Don't put your money on it anyway, because GM hasn't been winning the pony car race since it began offering the Camaro in 1966. Sure, it's leading over the past 2yrs(almost), but it needs another 20 to catch up in the sales race. It's literally millions behind and I mean, about 4 million.

Oh, and we all know GM imports the Camaro, but it's still an American model... Wait, you meant important... :jest:
id say the camaro vs mustang sales are pretty neck and neck. especially with the shelby vs the zl1, i think the zl1 with attract a lot of collectors especially if they have a 1st gen zl1. but the shelby is just another fast shelby, not a special limited edition. limited but not too limited. good luck to both GM and Ford with both having good products. but i'm still a die hard chevy fan. i will always choose a camaro over a mustang. IMO it sounds better, handles better, and i feel at home driving my camaros. overall im proud of what the zl1 has to offer for these non-race car enthusiasts, as well as potential to be fast as hell.If the day ever comes when the majority doesn't think the Mustang sounds better... you can say you were one of the 1st! :lol:

You mentioned collectors, which is part of what I'm saying. However, it wouldn't be a good idea for GM to consider those who already own a ZL1. That number is exceedingly small and not worth chasing in the least.

Finally, there are in fact, several "special limited edition" Shelby Mustangs, offered today. You can look 'em up, but they not only exist, they're expensive! :nod:

If they do, and they very well may, it isn't about performance. It's about memories... like being a kid and hearing of the now famed ZL1 and not being able to afford it then, but being able now.

Don't put your money on it anyway, because GM hasn't been winning the pony car race since it began offering the Camaro in 1966. Sure, it's leading over the past 2yrs(almost), but it needs another 20 to catch up in the sales race. It's literally millions behind and I mean, about 4 million.

Oh, and we all know GM imports the Camaro, but it's still an American model... Wait, you meant important... :jest:
If the day ever comes when the majority doesn't think the Mustang sounds better... you can say you were one of the 1st! :lol:

You mentioned collectors, which is part of what I'm saying. However, it wouldn't be a good idea for GM to consider those who already own a ZL1. That number is exceedingly small and not worth chasing in the least.

Finally, there are in fact, several "special limited edition" Shelby Mustangs, offered today. You can look 'em up, but they not only exist, they're expensive! :nod:
camaro first year was 67.,:D

camaro first year was 67.,:D

lol, i think it was out in 66 as a 67 MY.


but fbodies did outsell mustangs a few yrs. but not many.

camaro first year was 67.,:D :gtfo: Uhhhh... Yeah... Of course! It started selling in 1966, as a 1967 model, like the Firechicken(and Mercury Cougar). ;) My dad bought two of 'em! Then he got a '68 'bird, for his TRIFECTA! Ahhh, the good 'ol days...

camaro first year was 67.,:D

^this guy :eyes:

M6 ZL1 hits 12.02. (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218407) Weather was crappy, and only two passes. Now it is showing its true potential.

thats impressive.

Not gonna be the turd alot said it was.

im still waiting for an 11 sec stock time or im going to be disappointed.Really? :jest:w Read the last part... :rotflmao:

That car also did a 12.04 STOCK and its an automatic.

M6 ZL1 hits 12.02. (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218407) Weather was crappy, and only two passes. Now it is showing its true potential.And it wasn't last week, with a 12.04 as opposed to a 12.02? :lol:

thats impressive.Hmm... I've figured you out now... 12.03 is your cut off for disappointment and any better is impressive! J/K :lol:


On another note: Those Camaro5 boys are really touchy... Sheesh, what a bunch of crybabies. Also too many serious :swing: types. :judge:

On another note: Those Camaro5 boys are really touchy... Sheesh, what a bunch of crybabies. Also too many serious :swing: types. :judge:

Yes, We agree on this that's for sure...I can't help myself but laugh at reading most of the posting that goes on over there.

The car could definitely benefit from suspension upgrades to keep the wheel hop to a minimum and get a better launch. Also the intake may be a little too restrictive to keep the noise levels down.

Now here's what redline did with Drag Radials and intake. Motor was untouched. Not clear if the programming was touched at all but it sounds like they used pump gas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYwdE-Pv8iA&list=UUV1kp_0q0tJ42ppzJZbUK4w&feature=plcp

I really do love the way the ZL1 looks. Nice mean look to it. I could never buy the Mustang due to the way it looks. However....when I think about the C6 Z06 running higher MPH than the ZL1 in stock form and that I can buy one for 40K used. I don't think I would consider the ZL1 due to its weight and cost. I'd instead buy a used 6 cyl and throw what I want in there. At the end of the day I'm a sucker for turbocharging and would go that route. But the weight would still be something that I'd need to work on. Again back to the C6 Z06. Plus the tire size is really important to me. The Z06 can put some big meats down for the roadcourse. If I was a hardcore Camaro guy and not interested in modding a car completely then I'd probably buy the ZL1 and run high 11's at the dragstrip on one weekend while putting some damned good numbers down at the Road America Road Course on the following weekend. Then drive it here and there to work on nice days as a partial DD.

What makes you think the ZL1 will outsell the GT500?

The automatic transmission will go a long way.

Now here's what redline did with Drag Radials and intake. Motor was untouched. Not clear if the programming was touched at all but it sounds like they used pump gas.I'm willing to overlook the fact that half the people here refer to an engine as a motor(even though they are interchangeable words), but I'm not as forgiving on certain other oddball things... So I must ask, if you took the intake off of your cars' engine, will it start and run? If not, it's part of the engine... That said, how is it that an "intake" replacement somehow qualifies as the "motor" being untouched?

I thought they added a CAI and not an intake. If that's what you meant, you may almost disregard my spontaneous picking on you... Just try to remember, for future reference, the CAI is very different than an intake. ;)

I thought they added a CAI and not an intake. If that's what you meant, you may almost disregard my spontaneous picking on you... Just try to remember, for future reference, the CAI is very different than an intake. ;)

CAI= Cold Air INTAKE, how is that very different from an intake? I would say that most people refer to an intake as what they have, not an intake manifold like LSX guys do. Either way, that's still well behind what a bone stock GT500 can do with just tires.

I'm willing to overlook the fact that half the people here refer to an engine as a motor(even though they are interchangeable words), but I'm not as forgiving on certain other oddball things... So I must ask, if you took the intake off of your cars' engine, will it start and run? If not, it's part of the engine... That said, how is it that an "intake" replacement somehow qualifies as the "motor" being untouched?

I thought they added a CAI and not an intake. If that's what you meant, you may almost disregard my spontaneous picking on you... Just try to remember, for future reference, the CAI is very different than an intake. ;)

Whoops! Yeah I meant CAI. Replacing the intake on a supercharged vehicle which an integrated Intake/Intercooler with the Supercharger would be a pretty dramatic change. Here's the info on the CAI as written in GMHighTechPerformance Magazine:

Redline Cold Air Intake
Master fabricator Jay Healy of Redline whipped up a 4-inch diameter aluminum intake with a 6-inch K&N air filter. By removing some of the baffling and silencing characteristics of the stocker, and increasing the diameter, the flow and volume increase would be substantial. The filter would also be grabbing air from the high-pressure area behind the front bumper cover, right next to the brake duct. Given the new location of the MAF and diameter of the tube, this required some modification to the tune. Redline calibrator Howard Tanner made adjustments to the MAF tables to compensate, otherwise leaving the tune (including the timing) alone. On Redline's Land & Sea dyno the results were an unbelievable 46 hp and 33 lb-ft of torque gain, from a baseline of 450hp and 447 lb-ft. Think it's BS? We definitely questioned it as well, but not after the crew swapped the intake over at the track and picked up 3.6mph and dropped .56-seconds. Best time on the day was an 11.68 at 118mph with a 1.73 sixty-foot. The larger intake increased boost by 1psi and even helped lower the rising IATs at speed, though it enhanced a noticeable bog at launch. We'll address this in Part 2 as well as increasing the LSA's overall airflow and efficiency.

CAI= Cold Air INTAKE, how is that very different from an intake? I would say that most people refer to an intake as what they have, not an intake manifold like LSX guys do. Either way, that's still well behind what a bone stock GT500 can do with just tires.

So the 2013 GT500 is doing 11.5's on street tires from what I read. Definitely impressive. I agree that Ford this time has done the leapfrog in the HP department. Well we'll see what GM does to catch up in that area.

On another note, ^^ that's a potent ass F-body you got there. :drool:

CAI= Cold Air INTAKE, how is that very different from an intake? I would say that most people refer to an intake as what they have, not an intake manifold like LSX guys do. Either way, that's still well behind what a bone stock GT500 can do with just tires.How is a cold air intake different from an intake? You're NOT serious, right??? C'mon... intakes are required, cold air intake TUBING is not. ;)

On another note, ^^ that's a potent ass F-body you got there. :drool:I second that remark! :nod:

Really? :jest:w Read the last part... :rotflmao:



And it wasn't last week, with a 12.04 as opposed to a 12.02? :lol:

Hmm... I've figured you out now... 12.03 is your cut off for disappointment and any better is impressive! J/K :lol:


On another note: Those Camaro5 boys are really touchy... Sheesh, what a bunch of crybabies. Also too many serious :swing: types. :judge:

um, based on reported track conditions and only two passes yes i was pleasantly surprised. i doubt that was a pro driver on a well prepped track based on what was posted.


i guess i shouldve been more specific. i dont see why either trans shouldnt get an 11 sec stock pass.


im also not a fan of camaro5.

PBIR is probably a better track than most, considering its locale and recent upgrades... I've raced the 1/4 there many times and it's better now than "back in the day," having undergone a complete replacement just a few yrs ago. Idonno where the 12.04 was run, but it may have been a worse track.

I will say this about PBIR... When it rains, humidity STAYS at 100% for awhile, even if temps cool rapidly or if the sun bakes the water away in 20 minutes.

M6 ZL1 hits 12.02. (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218407) Weather was crappy, and only two passes. Now it is showing its true potential.Not bad at all, only 250 miles on it and 3/4 tank of gas too.
A 1/4 tank of gas alone would've made that an 11.99 I bet. :nod:
Then factor in some more break in miles, better air and learning the car even more (more passes/seat time) and we might get much closer to the results that we've all been expecting/looking for. :drive:

What makes you think the ZL1 will outsell the GT500?The automatic transmission will go a long way.That will help for sure. :nod: I think that both the ZL1 and the GT500 will be relatively strong sellers though.





So the 2013 GT500 is doing 11.5's on street tires from what I read. Definitely impressive. I agree that Ford this time has done the leapfrog in the HP department.I agree, that 2013 GT500 is going to be a killer. :nod:
Logically speaking, 70-80 more horsepower and roughly 150+ pounds lighter than the ZL1, it should be notably quicker in a straight line with equal drivers.

The car could definitely benefit from suspension upgrades to keep the wheel hop to a minimum and get a better launch. Also the intake may be a little too restrictive to keep the noise levels down.

Now here's what redline did with Drag Radials and intake. Motor was untouched. Not clear if the programming was touched at all but it sounds like they used pump gas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYwdE-Pv8iA&list=UUV1kp_0q0tJ42ppzJZbUK4w&feature=plcp

I really do love the way the ZL1 looks. Nice mean look to it. I could never buy the Mustang due to the way it looks. However....when I think about the C6 Z06 running higher MPH than the ZL1 in stock form and that I can buy one for 40K used. I don't think I would consider the ZL1 due to its weight and cost. I'd instead buy a used 6 cyl and throw what I want in there. At the end of the day I'm a sucker for turbocharging and would go that route. But the weight would still be something that I'd need to work on. Again back to the C6 Z06. Plus the tire size is really important to me. The Z06 can put some big meats down for the roadcourse. If I was a hardcore Camaro guy and not interested in modding a car completely then I'd probably buy the ZL1 and run high 11's at the dragstrip on one weekend while putting some damned good numbers down at the Road America Road Course on the following weekend. Then drive it here and there to work on nice days as a partial DD.

Is your Z06 new compared to the ZL1, no? so its not a really fair comparison. Even If I would prefer a Z06, its out of price for me new. Hell I should keep my modded Fbody thats worth nothing and beat both easily LOL. A new base C6 is the real car you should compare to it..and it looks like the ZL1 is faster.

So the 2013 GT500 is doing 11.5's on street tires from what I read. Definitely impressive. I agree that Ford this time has done the leapfrog in the HP department. Well we'll see what GM does to catch up in that area.

Can I read it too? its been done already and tested? Cool...:bang: The Ford team is gonna need a lot of suspension work/tune and tune to hit 11.5 with stock tires and 650hp. Yeah I know DRs will do it, but stock wheels/tires??

CAI= Cold Air INTAKE, how is that very different from an intake? I would say that most people refer to an intake as what they have, not an intake manifold like LSX guys do. Either way, that's still well behind what a bone stock GT500 can do with just tires.

What a bone stock GT500 can do with tires, educate me pls. 11.56@124mph? I'd say the ZL1 for a first time out with low miles and no tire, good air and it will do better. I mean, isnt the car out since like 5mins??? Theres on already in the 10s@134 and plp say its still a dog..haters will hate

im still waiting for an 11 sec stock time or im going to be disappointed.
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im with this guy,i know a guy that has a new ctsv running in the 10s with not alot of major mods, i feel this thing should run low 11s easy, still not a better buy than a used c6z

its all in time, i think it will do well ,it will just take time for the right people to get there hands on the car,i just have seen new 5.0s,cts vs,c6s run these times with not much effort,for way under the price tag of a zl1,i think its a killer car but i think the gt500 is going to wake gm up

PBIR is probably a better track than most, considering its locale and recent upgrades... I've raced the 1/4 there many times and it's better now than "back in the day," having undergone a complete replacement just a few yrs ago. Idonno where the 12.04 was run, but it may have been a worse track.

I will say this about PBIR... When it rains, humidity STAYS at 100% for awhile, even if temps cool rapidly or if the sun bakes the water away in 20 minutes.

ive heard that bradenton is a fast track.

I'd say the ZL1 for a first time out with low miles and no tire, good air and it will do better. I mean, isnt the car out since like 5mins??? Theres on already in the 10s@134I agree.
I believe that the white automatic car mentioned earlier added a couple more bolt ons and went a 10.32@134.79mph last night?

http://www.camaro5.com/redline-motorsports-zl1-blazes-14-mile-in-just-1032-1347-mph-video

^
"The ZL1’s mods include a Redline Motorsports proprietary camshaft, upper and lower pulleys, headers, improved heat exchanger, cold air intake, performance torque converter and Mickey Thompson drag radials. This all combines to make over 750hp and 700 ft-lb torque for this ZL1"

That's a lot of mods to get there when compared to what any year GT500 can do.



What a bone stock GT500 can do with tires, educate me pls. 11.56@124mph

There are a few that have gone 11.1@124, bone stock with tires. That's a ZL1 with a lot more mods running about the same time doesn't impress me at all, it is WAY behind what the current GT500s are doing stock for stock and mod for mod. The only time it has an advantage is when comparing both with stock tires, but that's only because of the small tires Ford has on the GT500.

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"The ZL1’s mods include a Redline Motorsports proprietary camshaft, upper and lower pulleys, headers, improved heat exchanger, cold air intake, performance torque converter and Mickey Thompson drag radials. This all combines to make over 750hp and 700 ft-lb torque for this ZL1"

That's a lot of mods to get there when compared to what any year GT500 can do.



There are a few that have gone 11.1@124, bone stock with tires. That's a ZL1 with a lot more mods running about the same time doesn't impress me at all, it is WAY behind what the current GT500s are doing stock for stock and mod for mod. The only time it has an advantage is when comparing both with stock tires, but that's only because of the small tires Ford has on the GT500.


So how many have gone 11.1 at 124? Can you post some links. The only one i saw run was a 2011 gt500 with slicks and skinnies. Not bad but i would like to see what the da was for it at least.

I can see a stock zl1 with slicks and skinnies get pretty close to those times.

Is your Z06 new compared to the ZL1, no? so its not a really fair comparison. Even If I would prefer a Z06, its out of price for me new. Hell I should keep my modded Fbody thats worth nothing and beat both easily LOL. A new base C6 is the real car you should compare to it..and it looks like the ZL1 is faster.

Why wouldn't you consider a used C6 Z06? What are you afraid of? No it's not new but you can find them in awesome shape. Plus if you have skills you can get yourself a mechanically perfect one and buy a cheap extended warranty for it. Going to be a hell of a lot cheaper.

As far as your Fbody is concerned I think it's a perfect car for a drag racer. For me I don't plan on getting rid of my fbody. Running 8's and completely streetable is fun as hell. But I also like to road race so the vette is a nice platform for me. Light and can put some big rubber down.

But...once the used ZL1's start coming out with price drops like the Z06 then I might just think about it. The only real negative about the Z06's is that there's a load of em. My club's rented the track for the weekend at Road America and I'm sure I'll see at least 10 C6 Z06's there.

There are a few that have gone 11.1@124, bone stock with tires.So how many have gone 11.1 at 124? Can you post some links. The only one i saw run was a 2011 gt500 with slicks and skinnies. Not bad but i would like to see what the da was for it at least.I only knew of the one car that did it as well (doesn't matter of course, if one can do it then all 2011+ GT500s are at least capable of it :nod:), but perhaps there are a few more.
This has a posting date of December 30th on You Tube so can we assume that the run likely occurred sometime in December (cold weather/decent air?) of that same year as well?:

http://youtu.be/XNhulxLTim8

I only knew of the one car that did it as well (doesn't matter of course, if one can do it then all 2011+ GT500s are at least capable of it :nod:), but perhaps there are a few more.
This has a posting date of December 30th on You Tube so can we assume that the run likely occurred sometime in December (cold weather/decent air?) of that same year as well?:

http://youtu.be/XNhulxLTim8

The date posted on svtperformance for the run was 2/26/2011. I was trying to figure out what dragstrip it was. I think its Roxboro motorsports dragway in NC.

Can I read it too? its been done already and tested? Cool...:bang: The Ford team is gonna need a lot of suspension work/tune and tune to hit 11.5 with stock tires and 650hp. Yeah I know DRs will do it, but stock wheels/tires??

I screwed up and read it here but it's for the Shelby not the normal 2013 GT500.

http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2012/01/26/report-2013-shelby-gt500-capable-of-mid-11-second-14-mile-times/

Also I can't tell if they got real data or just making up stories. Good to see the youtube videos coming out on the ZL1.

Here is the video of the white auto ZL1 run mentioned earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmeI33KfMxA

Movin out for an automatic :) lol

I only knew of the one car that did it as well (doesn't matter of course, if one can do it then all 2011+ GT500s are at least capable of it :nod:), but perhaps there are a few more.
This has a posting date of December 30th on You Tube so can we assume that the run likely occurred sometime in December (cold weather/decent air?) of that same year as well?:


I thought it was a different car that went 11.16 and 11.11, but it was the same car on different days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDX_gV2LOys

This run is in February of 2011, the other was December of 2010.

Here is the video of the white auto ZL1 run mentioned earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmeI33KfMxA

Movin out for an automatic :) lol



not bad. it sounded like he "flashed" the converter on launch. i wonder how much faster he'd have gotten, had he used a 2 step, and launched hard.

that said.......it also seems like a lot of work to an already expensive(somewhat) car to get to those et's.

I thought it was a different car that went 11.16 and 11.11, but it was the same car on different days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDX_gV2LOys

This run is in February of 2011, the other was December of 2010.

that wasn't a stock run.




big and littles. not stock.

Bigs and littles=slicks and skinnys, which is what we were talking about this whole time.

This shit blew up... lol either way I'm sure we will be seeing some faster stock times from a ZL1 soon!

Bigs and littles=slicks and skinnys, which is what we were talking about this whole time.

i know what big and littles are. i thought that the times were run stock.

I mean, isnt the car out since like 5mins??? Theres on already in the 10s@134 and plp say its still a dog..haters will hateHey, people will knock things... Particularly those comparing the Mustang directly to the Camaro and vice-versa. Idonno how long it will be before anyone gets into the 8's, but you can bet you'll be reminded that the 2011 Mustang GT got there in less than 6mo and it started out slower.
ive heard that bradenton is a fast track.Not only fast, nicer than nearly any track I've been to and I've been to tracks in PA, OH, TX, MO, CA, IL and GA. I've also been to PBIR(of course) when it was still named correctly... MOROSO MOTORSPORTS PARK! Plus, Bradenton, Gainesville(rarely prepped well), Orlando and even an 1/8th miler called Immokalee(way south, central FL). That "track" is really an old runway and it's not very good, or wasn't when I was there, anyway.


I believe that the white automatic car mentioned earlier added a couple more bolt ons and went a 10.32@134.79mph last night?It's all good, but I'd say clarification was needed(and added) to say it also has a cam swap... Not really a bolt on. It's haulin' ass, but I can't help but feel this is a bit much.

they've already gone beyond bolt ons......i'd have thought a beast like this could accomplish 10's with just bolt ons.

There are a few that have gone 11.1@124, bone stock with tires. That's a ZL1 with a lot more mods running about the same time doesn't impress me at all, it is WAY behind what the current GT500s are doing stock for stock and mod for mod. The only time it has an advantage is when comparing both with stock tires, but that's only because of the small tires Ford has on the GT500.

I think we would be remiss to say that 10.32@132 and 11.1@124 are "about the same time". Lots of people need a cam and stall (for example) to pick up 7/10's much less 10 mph. Going from a 13.7 to a 12.92 is worlds easier then from 11.1 to 10.32. The faster you go the harder it becomes to pick up time.

I think we would be remiss to say that 10.32@132 and 11.1@124 are "about the same time". Lots of people need a cam and stall (for example) to pick up 7/10's much less 10 mph. Going from a 13.7 to a 12.92 is worlds easier then from 11.1 to 10.32. The faster you go the harder it becomes to pick up time.

I was talking about the one this thread was started about that went 11.03@130 with "Pulley, Injectors, cold air kit, ported throttle body and drag radials and a tune". Those mods on a GT500 puts it in the low 10s.

In regards to the 2013 GT500 the head of SVT said recently, "The engine was just recently certified at 662 hp and 630 ft lbs of torque, 16 mpg city, 24 hwy, no gas guzzler tax, 0-60 in first gear!"

^^^^Thats not to much of a surprise since they are running a bigger blower at almost twice the boost stocking a zl1. Once they put a pulley on that bad boy it should be 19-20lbs and that's alot compared to the zl1 thats barely in the teens with a smaller pulley but I could be wrong because I believe I read that the stock pulley is very small to start with so it may require a blower upgrade sooner then the older models did.

So? The ZL1 has more displacement... Who cares?

^^^^Thats not to much of a surprise since they are running a bigger blower at almost twice the boost stocking a zl1. Once they put a pulley on that bad boy it should be 19-20lbs and that's alot compared to the zl1 thats barely in the teens with a smaller pulley but I could be wrong because I believe I read that the stock pulley is very small to start with so it may require a blower upgrade sooner then the older models did.Not much of a surprise? I was shocked when I heard it wasn't going to face the gas guzzler penalty! At that hp, it may be the 1st car to avoid the fines...

I was talking about the one this thread was started about that went 11.03@130 with "Pulley, Injectors, cold air kit, ported throttle body and drag radials and a tune". Those mods on a GT500 puts it in the low 10s.

I don't see why the ZL1 would not run mid to high 10's with those same mods. It would do better with a set of bias ply stickes on a stick car.

In regards to the 2013 GT500 the head of SVT said recently, "The engine was just recently certified at 662 hp and 630 ft lbs of torqueWow. :eek: :cool:





16 mpg city, 24 hwy, no gas guzzler tax, 0-60 in first gear!The new taller (numerically lower) rear axle gearing helped with both of those of course. :nod:

Wow. :eek: :cool: If the ZL1 were there, what would we all be saying??? :drool:

The new taller (numerically lower) rear axle gearing helped with both of those of course. :nod:

And still, we could all admit... I'm IN! :usa:

Some guy new to the car just went 12.02 in a brand new ZL1 all stock...he did better then Hennessey...:jest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN3scgDWGR4

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218407

In regards to the 2013 GT500 the head of SVT said recently, "The engine was just recently certified at 662 hp and 630 ft lbs of torque, 16 mpg city, 24 hwy, no gas guzzler tax, 0-60 in first gear!"

I cannot wait to see that car hit the streets and strip! Bad ass! :usa:

Some guy new to the car just went 12.02 in a brand new ZL1 all stock...he did better then Hennessey...:jest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN3scgDWGR4

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218407

dude looked like he was too big to fit in that car. it looked like he couldn't get comfortable.

So? The ZL1 has more displacement... Who cares?Yeah I know that but I think a bigger blower with more boost is better then the 20 something extra cubes. Not that I care nor am I crying I was just pointing out the facts and why I'm not surprised about there power output.

Not much of a surprise? I was shocked when I heard it wasn't going to face the gas guzzler penalty! At that hp, it may be the 1st car to avoid the fines...
I wasn't because of the multiple track packs and the different rear gears they offer like the ones that give it it's 200+ top end is probably the one that goes 0-60 in first but that probably also includes the over feature which is pretty badass by itself just curious to see what happens when these guys tune that out and try revving it that high all the time.

I wasn't because of the multiple track packs and the different rear gears they offer like the ones that give it it's 200+ top end is probably the one that goes 0-60 in first but that probably also includes the over feature which is pretty badass by itself just curious to see what happens when these guys tune that out and try revving it that high all the time.I'm aware of a single track package, which can be had if the performance package is chosen 1st and it offers the same 3.55 gears as the standard... If there are additional gear sets Ford is offering on the GT500 for 2013, I didn't find it on the Ford website.

Ford did offer a few different gear ratios in the GT for the past couple years and maybe for 2013 as well(I haven't looked), but the GT500 seems stuck on 3.55's.

I'm aware of a single track package, which can be had if the performance package is chosen 1st and it offers the same 3.55 gears as the standard... If there are additional gear sets Ford is offering on the GT500 for 2013, I didn't find it on the Ford website.

Ford did offer a few different gear ratios in the GT for the past couple years and maybe for 2013 as well(I haven't looked), but the GT500 seems stuck on 3.55's.I know the current (2011/2012) GT500 had a couple of ratios available but I'd thought that the 2013 was coming ONLY with the 3.31 gears with no other ratio even available?

Yeah I know that but I think a bigger blower with more boost is better then the 20 something extra cubes. Not that I care nor am I crying I was just pointing out the facts and why I'm not surprised about there power output.


I wasn't because of the multiple track packs and the different rear gears they offer like the ones that give it it's 200+ top end is probably the one that goes 0-60 in first but that probably also includes the over feature which is pretty badass by itself just curious to see what happens when these guys tune that out and try revving it that high all the time.

the 013 gt500 will have only 1 rear gear to the best of my knowledge. the other options are simply track upgrades.

I'm aware of a single track package, which can be had if the performance package is chosen 1st and it offers the same 3.55 gears as the standard... If there are additional gear sets Ford is offering on the GT500 for 2013, I didn't find it on the Ford website.

Ford did offer a few different gear ratios in the GT for the past couple years and maybe for 2013 as well(I haven't looked), but the GT500 seems stuck on 3.55's.

they are. i had read that they chose that gear as part of the torque management. it allows them to hit 62mph in 1st gear at something like 7k rpm, and gives the best power transfer throughout its range.

These things are going to get raped by blown 5.0's. stall/Blower/boss intake/off road x pipe and DR's an I run 10.7. And I still have a lot of tweaking to do. I also have skinnies coming.

I know the current (2011/2012) GT500 had a couple of ratios available but I'd thought that the 2013 was coming ONLY with the 3.31 gears with no other ratio even available?

True, The tranny is also geared different. That is why no other options.

Some guy new to the car just went 12.02 in a brand new ZL1 all stock...he did better then Hennessey...:jest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN3scgDWGR4

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218407

We need more proof also. Not just a inside video with no time slip and making sure wasn't on slicks or DR;s. Come on.

These things are going to get raped by blown 5.0's. stall/Blower/boss intake/off road x pipe and DR's an I run 10.7. And I still have a lot of tweaking to do. I also have skinnies coming.

Wtf are you taking about. You could barely get away from a bolt-on ls6.

also these mods made 652whp..yet the kit they offer f=with cam and stuff makes 632whp. and is 11k..what are we missing?

http://www.lingenfelter.com/engine-packages/camaro-gen-5-2010-2012/camaro-zl1-2012/camaro-378-cid-zl1-supercharged-engine-packag

Wtf are you taking about. You could barely get away from a bolt-on ls6.

an when did I barely get away from a bolt on LS6? Hmm took a 468 BB 125 shot to take me out...Oh wait yoru car that is 3000lbs and ran in perfect DA right. So when you running 10's in 3000 DA thats right your not.

Livernois got their hands on one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbo_ObdOfIM&feature=uploademail

an when did I barely get away from a bolt on LS6? Hmm took a 468 BB 125 shot to take me out...Oh wait yoru car that is 3000lbs and ran in perfect DA right. So when you running 10's in 3000 DA thats right your not.

Don't be makin excuses. Your high 10's with a auto and aftermarket atmosphere. It would be closer than you think.

Don't be makin excuses. Your high 10's with a auto and aftermarket atmosphere. It would be closer than you think.

10.7 to 11.1 isn't that close. That's going to be worse then the 10.4 chevelle race I had in the kill section.

Lingenfelter's same yellow ZL1 that was the first to get in the 10's with 720 hp also is the first to hit 200+ mph!!! 202.67 mph to be exact. Pretty awesome if you ask me.....

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http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220395


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so it took alll those mods to match the shelby.

so it took alll those mods to match the shelby.

58 more hp.... & the GT500 hasn't officially gone that so you really have no argument until then

58 more hp.... & the GT500 hasn't officially gone that so you really have no argument until then

We asked Hameedi if they had ever gone for a top speed run or if the number was simply an estimate, and he said that they had done high speed testing at the Nardo Ring in Italy earlier this year. “There’s plenty of places to hit 180 mph in the U.S. but not many places to go 200 mph,” he told us. So what was the result of the testing? Hameedi says that SVT recorded a top speed of 202 mph in the 2013 Shelby GT500, the result of a combination of the extra power from the supercharged 5.8-liter V8 and improved aerodynamics. So there you have it – the official top speed of the 2013 Shelby GT500 is 202 mph.

i don't think hameedi is gonna outright lie like al op does/did. i could be wrong though. oh....and that seems like an awful lot of mods for 58hp.

“There’s plenty of places to hit 180 mph in the U.S. but not many places to go 200 mph,” he told us.Actually, there are plenty of places in the U.S. to go 200mph, if your car is powerful enough to get there quickly enough that is. :D ;)

We asked Hameedi if they had ever gone for a top speed run or if the number was simply an estimate, and he said that they had done high speed testing at the Nardo Ring in Italy earlier this year. “There’s plenty of places to hit 180 mph in the U.S. but not many places to go 200 mph,” he told us. So what was the result of the testing? Hameedi says that SVT recorded a top speed of 202 mph in the 2013 Shelby GT500, the result of a combination of the extra power from the supercharged 5.8-liter V8 and improved aerodynamics. So there you have it – the official top speed of the 2013 Shelby GT500 is 202 mph.

i don't think hameedi is gonna outright lie like al op does/did. i could be wrong though. oh....and that seems like an awful lot of mods for 58hp.

Not saying the GT500 can do it... But I'm just one of those Ill believe it when I see it kind of people so? Looking forward to seeing Ford show us this 202 pass

Actually, there are plenty of places in the U.S. to go 200mph, if your car is powerful enough to get there quickly enough that is. :D ;)

lol...

Not saying the GT500 can do it... But I'm just one of those Ill believe it when I see it kind of people so? Looking forward to seeing Ford show us this 202 pass



lol...

Didn't you also not believe that the GT500 would have 650hp? And then it ended up being under-rated :lol:

Not saying the GT500 can do it... But I'm just one of those Ill believe it when I see it kind of people so? Looking forward to seeing Ford show us this 202 pass



lol...


i figure they're gonna hit ole al op with a 1-2 punch. they're supposed to be at the ring testing for times this time. i suspect that somehow they'll manage to beat the zl1....even if only by a couple hundredths......that's all it'll take....then they'll hit chevy with both of them. :D

Actually, there are plenty of places in the U.S. to go 200mph, if your car is powerful enough to get there quickly enough that is. :D ;)

fasters i've ever been on the street was in the upper 150's. not proud of it now-a-days, and i did it back when i was stupid enough to think it was safe to drive like that, or race on the streets. did it exactly once.
fastest i've been on the track, is 131 and change.

Didn't you also not believe that the GT500 would have 650hp? And then it ended up being under-rated :lol:

If they really hit 202 on the Nardo Ring, then he is going to find out they under-rated that too. That's the big circle track, no straights, where the Top Gear guys were testing speed only to come up short on all of the cars, and they were bouncing all over the place because of how rough the track is. I bet it's going to beat the ZR1s top speed if that is true!

GT500 is the car to beat at the strip and street.

that rhymes. :cool:

Didn't you also not believe that the GT500 would have 650hp? And then it ended up being under-rated :lol:

Pretty sure I said the exact same thing I've been saying here. :confused: Ill believe it when I see it. Everyone was claiming its numbers before it was even "officially" released. Because we all know companies underrate or overrate their numbers? & it came out so I believed it. So.........


& I don't think a 4,xxx lb car with only 24 more hp & 27 lbtq with far less aerodynamics then the ZR1 will go faster then 179. But who knows? Ill wait to find out

If they really hit 202 on the Nardo Ring, then he is going to find out they under-rated that too. That's the big circle track, no straights, where the Top Gear guys were testing speed only to come up short on all of the cars, and they were bouncing all over the place because of how rough the track is. I bet it's going to beat the ZR1s top speed if that is true!

you don't take anything that they say seriously, do you?

GT500 is the car to beat at the strip and street.

that rhymes. :cool:

you're a poet and don't know it........:jest:

Pretty sure I said the exact same thing I've been saying here. :confused: Ill believe it when I see it. Everyone was claiming its numbers before it was even "officially" released. Because we all know companies underrate or overrate their numbers? & it came out so I believed it. So.........


& I don't think a 4,xxx lb car with only 24 more hp & 27 lbtq with far less aerodynamics then the ZR1 will go faster then 179. But who knows? Ill wait to find out

how are you judging the aerodynamics?

Pretty sure I said the exact same thing I've been saying here. :confused: Ill believe it when I see it. Everyone was claiming its numbers before it was even "officially" released. Because we all know companies underrate or overrate their numbers? & it came out so I believed it. So.........


& I don't think a 4,xxx lb car with only 24 more hp & 27 lbtq with far less aerodynamics then the ZR1 will go faster then 179. But who knows? Ill wait to find out

1) It doesn't weigh 4,000+ pounds, that is the ZL1.
2) You don't think it will do more than 179, when it is rated at 202? :confused:

Take this how you wish, but maybe if you knew more about the things you were arguing people would give your opinions more merit...

how are you judging the aerodynamics?

Do you honestly think the 2013 GT500 has better aerodynamics then a Corvette ZR1? :lol:

1) It doesn't weigh 4,000+ pounds, that is the ZL1.
2) You don't think it will do more than 179, when it is rated at 202? :confused:

Take this how you wish, but maybe if you knew more about the things you were arguing people would give your opinions more merit...

Oh I'm sorry I forgot cars drive themselves now a days.... :eyes: Umm does it not weigh 3850 lbs? What person do you know old enough to drive a new GT500 that doesn't weigh more then 150 lbs? & pretty sure the Corvette ZR1 is capable to go more then 200 mph right? & it did 179 at the ring? which only has a few less hp/tq & weighs couple hundred lbs less then a GT500 with better aero. :confused:

& your lil "Take this how you wish, but maybe if you knew more about the things you were arguing people would give your opinions more merit..."

:rotflmao: right.......

Yeah, we quote a car's weight including driver now...even when we don't know who the driver is :eyes:.

Edit: And when did you specify 179mph at the 'ring?

Do you honestly think the 2013 GT500 has better aerodynamics then a Corvette ZR1? :lol:



I bet it's going to be very similar if not the same between the two. I think a lot of people over look all of the extra stuff the ZR1 has tacked on over a base C6 in terms of adding drag. The Cd on a ZR1 is .36, .34 on a Z06, .28 on a base, and I think it's .38 for the old 2010 GT500. And weight has very little to do with top speed when you are talking 200mph cars, but the ZR1 is only 400lbs lighter than the GT500 is either way.

And I'm pretty sure I'm old enough to drive a GT500, all 140lbs of me :cool:

Do you honestly think the 2013 GT500 has better aerodynamics then a Corvette ZR1? :lol:



Oh I'm sorry I forgot cars drive themselves now a days.... :eyes: Umm does it not weigh 3850 lbs? What person do you know old enough to drive a new GT500 that doesn't weigh more then 150 lbs? & pretty sure the Corvette ZR1 is capable to go more then 200 mph right? & it did 179 at the ring? which only has a few less hp/tq & weighs couple hundred lbs less then a GT500 with better aero. :confused:

& your lil "Take this how you wish, but maybe if you knew more about the things you were arguing people would give your opinions more merit..."

:rotflmao: right.......

no i don't........but i want to know on what you're judging aerodynamics.
With a 200-mph top speed as their goal, the SVT engineers altered the GT500’s gearing. They changed the final-drive ratio from 3.55:1 (or optional 3.73:1) to 3.31:1 to give the GT500 longer legs, and five of the six gearbox ratios are new. First gear goes from 2.97:1 to 2.66:1, which, combined with the differential change, reduces maximum rear-wheel torque by a couple of percent from the 2012 model’s, despite the engine’s 90-pound-foot bump. Hameedi explains, “We already had more first-gear torque than we needed, so this makes it easier to launch the car.”

Speaking of which, off-the-line performance is now aided by a launch-control dumsystem. Engine rpm is adjustable from 2500 to 5500 to match the available traction. According to Hameedi, “Only a pro can beat it—and that’s on a perfect day.”

To transmit the extra output, the GT500’s dual-plate clutch has grown in diameter from 9.4 inches to 10.2, and the transmission feeds the power to the differential via a one-piece carbon-fiber driveshaft. This unit is stiff enough to resist vibration at 200 mph and also saves several pounds over the previous two-piece steel shaft.

During engineering tests at the Nardo track in Italy, this GT500 has already achieved 202 mph. The gearing changes and higher redline allow this Shelby to hit 60 mph in first gear and in no more than 3.7 seconds; we expect a quarter-mile time in the mid-11s.

Between 155 mph—the governed top speed of the current GT500—and the 200-mph max of the new model, aerodynamic forces rise by 115 percent. Enhancing stability was therefore critical, so the SVT engineers concentrated on the GT500’s front end. A new fascia and splitter produce about a third more downforce than the previous model had while maintaining good front-rear balance. Another aerodynamic goal was to increase airflow to the various coolers to dissipate the more powerful engine’s higher heat loads. But Ford was careful not to increase drag, lest the 200-mph target fall out of reach. In the end, the engineers balanced all of these tasks while slightly improving the GT500’s drag coefficient.

Yeah, we quote a car's weight including driver now...even when we don't know who the driver is :eyes:.

Edit: And when did you specify 179mph at the 'ring?

What??!?!? :confused: lol... Like I just said who do you know that weighs less then 150lbs that would drive a GT500 at those speeds? Because I sure as hell don't unless its some skinny chick with a pair of balls that would dare do that..... Think its safe to say majority of the people that will get into the 2013 GT500 will make that car weigh 4,xxx lbs or damn near close to it. I think the average for American guys above 20 is like 195+ so?? Don't know where your trying to go with that one.

& what do you mean when did I specify 179mph at the 'ring?

Pretty sure I said the exact same thing I've been saying here. :confused: Ill believe it when I see it. Everyone was claiming its numbers before it was even "officially" released. Because we all know companies underrate or overrate their numbers? & it came out so I believed it. So.........


& I don't think a 4,xxx lb car with only 24 more hp & 27 lbtq with far less aerodynamics then the ZR1 will go faster then 179. But who knows? Ill wait to find out

What??!?!? :confused: lol... Like I just said who do you know that weighs less then 150lbs that would drive a GT500 at those speeds? Because I sure as hell don't unless its some skinny chick with a pair of balls that would dare do that..... Think its safe to say majority of the people that will get into the 2013 GT500 will make that car weigh 4,xxx lbs or damn near close to it. I think the average for American guys above 20 is like 195+ so?? Don't know where your trying to go with that one.

& what do you mean when did I specify 179mph at the 'ring?
I'll just leave this here...how about we stick to curb weights?
I bet it's going to be very similar if not the same between the two. I think a lot of people over look all of the extra stuff the ZR1 has tacked on over a base C6 in terms of adding drag. The Cd on a ZR1 is .36, .34 on a Z06, .28 on a base, and I think it's .38 for the old 2010 GT500. And weight has very little to do with top speed when you are talking 200mph cars, but the ZR1 is only 400lbs lighter than the GT500 is either way.

And I'm pretty sure I'm old enough to drive a GT500, all 140lbs of me :cool:

What??!?!? :confused: lol... Like I just said who do you know that weighs less then 150lbs that would drive a GT500 at those speeds? Because I sure as hell don't unless its some skinny chick with a pair of balls that would dare do that..... Think its safe to say majority of the people that will get into the 2013 GT500 will make that car weigh 4,xxx lbs or damn near close to it. I think the average for American guys above 20 is like 195+ so?? Don't know where your trying to go with that one.

& what do you mean when did I specify 179mph at the 'ring?

if you want, i'll diet for a week, which will be long enough to bring be below 150.....then give me one of these monsters, and i'll gladly take it up to speed.

annnd....by your methods, then the zl1 must weigh about 4400#

I bet it's going to be very similar if not the same between the two. I think a lot of people over look all of the extra stuff the ZR1 has tacked on over a base C6 in terms of adding drag. The Cd on a ZR1 is .36, .34 on a Z06, .28 on a base, and I think it's .38 for the old 2010 GT500. And weight has very little to do with top speed when you are talking 200mph cars, but the ZR1 is only 400lbs lighter than the GT500 is either way.

And I'm pretty sure I'm old enough to drive a GT500, all 140lbs of me :cool:

Eh weight has everything to do with top speed when your limited to a certain amount of road... Your engine has to carry that weight. Do the math... If you have two cars with the same amount of power, gearing & all that. But one weighs 400 lbs more which one do you think will get to the certain mph mark first? Lighter means faster. People don't gut their interiors for nothing? Yes more hp/tq can back up the weight but were talking about only 24 more hp & 27 more tq for the GT500 compared to the ZR1.

Compare a freaking Miata with a stock LS1 engine in it compared to it racing a stock LS1 Camaro/Trans Am or LS1 Corvette. Miata is going to win because of weight right?

Who knows maybe the GT500 will top 200+ at the Nurburgring. If it does all the power to it. I'm looking forward to the comparison videos :)

I'll just leave this here...how about we stick to curb weights?

COOL STORY BRO.. Said average American. How much do you weigh? & I said the curb weight was 3850 right? But what we were "originally" talking about is the GT500 doing 200+ in the ring. So "curb weight" doesn't mean jack shit! It comes down to race weight/real time

if you want, i'll diet for a week, which will be long enough to bring be below 150.....then give me one of these monsters, and i'll gladly take it up to speed.

annnd....by your methods, then the zl1 must weigh about 4400#

Probably does depending on the driver... Not saying the 2013 GT500 with a driver will weigh in the 4,xxx lb range. But I'm pretty sure majority of them will. Who the fuck cares anyway. Fact is you don't weigh 150 lbs or less. So there for if you were in a 2013 GT500 the total car would weigh 4,xxx lbs correct? Your really going to go on a fucking diet so it doesn't weigh that amount? :eyes: Make a poll right now on here asking what everyone's weight is. Put $100 that the majority of people on here 20 & up won't weigh less then 150 lbs..........

Why are you talking about a car's weight with driver? This isn't SR&K, and we don't have driver weights. So compare curb weights. And do you think the GT500 will be able to hit 200mph+ anywhere?

Eh weight has everything to do with top speed when your limited to a certain amount of road... Your engine has to carry that weight. Do the math... If you have two cars with the same amount of power, gearing & all that. But one weighs 400 lbs more which one do you think will get to the certain mph mark first? Lighter means faster. People don't gut their interiors for nothing? Yes more hp/tq can back up the weight but were talking about only 24 more hp & 27 more tq for the GT500 compared to the ZR1.

Compare a freaking Miata with a stock LS1 engine in it compared to it racing a stock LS1 Camaro/Trans Am or LS1 Corvette. Miata is going to win because of weight right?

Who knows maybe the GT500 will top 200+ at the Nurburgring. If it does all the power to it. I'm looking forward to the comparison videos :)


Where are you getting your info from? Power to weight doesn't mean hardly anything when we are talking about going over 200mph. If it does, then explain to me how a 5250 (CURB weight) Continental GT will match a C6Z06s top speed with only 550hp?

COOL STORY BRO.. Said average American. How much do you weigh? & I said the curb weight was 3850 right? But what we were "originally" talking about is the GT500 doing 200+ in the ring. So "curb weight" doesn't mean jack shit! It comes down to race weight/real time



Probably does depending on the driver... Not saying the 2013 GT500 with a driver will weigh in the 4,xxx lb range. But I'm pretty sure majority of them will. Who the fuck cares anyway. Fact is you don't weigh 150 lbs or less. So there for if you were in a 2013 GT500 the total car would weigh 4,xxx lbs correct? Your really going to go on a fucking diet so it doesn't weigh that amount? :eyes: Make a poll right now on here asking what everyone's weight is. Put $100 that the majority of people on here 20 & up won't weigh less then 150 lbs..........
Not at first...
Do you honestly think the 2013 GT500 has better aerodynamics then a Corvette ZR1? :lol:



Oh I'm sorry I forgot cars drive themselves now a days.... :eyes: Umm does it not weigh 3850 lbs? What person do you know old enough to drive a new GT500 that doesn't weigh more then 150 lbs? & pretty sure the Corvette ZR1 is capable to go more then 200 mph right? & it did 179 at the ring? which only has a few less hp/tq & weighs couple hundred lbs less then a GT500 with better aero. :confused:

& your lil "Take this how you wish, but maybe if you knew more about the things you were arguing people would give your opinions more merit..."

:rotflmao: right.......

And for the record, we were talking about it doing top speed testing at the Nardo ring, not the Nurburgring.

Why are you talking about a car's weight with driver? This isn't SR&K, and we don't have driver weights. So compare curb weights. And do you think the GT500 will be able to hit 200mph+ anywhere?

Damn dude, do you NOT know how to read? Why am I talking about the car's weight with a driver? Because there will be a driver in the car when he plans to do this 200+ down the freaking straight at the ring right? Therefor I'm pretty sure that GT500 will weigh 4,xxx lbs or close to it? Right.... Yes we don't have the drivers weight when car companies post the rings "official" time. But do you not take that into consideration when comparing cars? Honestly? Lol Anyway.... Looking forward to its "official Nurburgring time" Surprised its taken them this long to do?

COOL STORY BRO.. Said average American. How much do you weigh? & I said the curb weight was 3850 right? But what we were "originally" talking about is the GT500 doing 200+ in the ring. So "curb weight" doesn't mean jack shit! It comes down to race weight/real time

I still don't know how we got on the Nurburgring top speed...not the track that was being talked about.

I still don't know how we got on the Nurburgring top speed...not the track that was being talked about.

That, and the fact that Nurburgring times depend WAY more on the driver than they do the car.

That, and the fact that Nurburgring times depend WAY more on the driver than they do the car.

I think he saw "Nardo ring," and thought "Nurburgring."

COOL STORY BRO.. Said average American. How much do you weigh? & I said the curb weight was 3850 right? But what we were "originally" talking about is the GT500 doing 200+ in the ring. So "curb weight" doesn't mean jack shit! It comes down to race weight/real time



Probably does depending on the driver... Not saying the 2013 GT500 with a driver will weigh in the 4,xxx lb range. But I'm pretty sure majority of them will. Who the fuck cares anyway. Fact is you don't weigh 150 lbs or less. So there for if you were in a 2013 GT500 the total car would weigh 4,xxx lbs correct? Your really going to go on a fucking diet so it doesn't weigh that amount? :eyes: Make a poll right now on here asking what everyone's weight is. Put $100 that the majority of people on here 20 & up won't weigh less then 150 lbs..........


mannn....you got no sense of humor at all, do ya? i was being sarcastic. and for the record, i only weigh 160, so yes with me in it it will weigh 4010. i'll take a few gallons of fuel out. 2 should suffice. :cool:

I think he saw "Nardo ring," and thought "Nurburgring."

or he was trying to shift the argument./