Automotive News, Media & Press - Ford to Completely Ruin the Mustang for 2014




TriShield
04-16-2012, 12:16 PM
As Baby Boomers Reminisce, Ford Aims to Save Brand With European Look to Draw Younger Buyers

http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/04/2012-Ford-Evos-Concept-024-450x335.jpg
The old Mustang look will be put out to pasture.

By Michael Ramsey
April 16, 2012, 7:00 AM

For the last decade, auto makers have connected with baby boomers by recreating storied cars from their youth like the VW Beetle, Chevrolet Camaro and Dodge Challenger.

Now, Ford Motor Co. is betting it is time to hit the brakes on the retro trend, and shift its focus to a younger generation.

The Mustang, the Pony car that launched affordable and compact sports cars, today strongly hews to the look of the 1964 original. But Ford is working on radical makeover of its signature youth-market car, people familiar with Ford’s plans said. The next generation would retain the shark-nosed grille and round headlights, but would look more like the new Ford Fusion than the current Mustang, these people said.

The change is part of a bid to make the Mustang appeal to Generation Y, the roughly 80 million people who were born between 1980 and 1999. This demographic group is entering its peak car-buying years. Cars that their parents drive—and hark back to the days of Woodstock, 20 years before they were born—don’t really interest them.

“You cannot sustain sales without looking for new buyers. True, you are going to lose sales, but you need to refresh the population of buyers,” said Alexander Edwards, an analyst with Strategic Vision, a California research firm that helps auto companies understand why customers choose the vehicles they buy.

“The main goal that all automobile companies need to be successful at is, let’s prepare vehicles that the next generation will want to be in, but have all the other features that will still appeal to the older generation as well,” said Mr. Edwards.

For Ford, Gen Y may prove a difficult target. For many in this group, cars and driving just aren’t that cool in an era of iPads and Facebook. A 2011 study by the University of Michigan found that just two-thirds of all 18-year-olds had driver’s licenses in 2008, down from 80% in 1983.

Toyota Motor Corp. created a whole subbrand, Scion, to appeal to the Millennial Generation. But after some initial success, Scion sales are a third of the peak. Retro designs in particular don’t fly, either. Last year, VW sold just 6,468 Beetles in the U.S., compared with 81,134 in 2000. Last year, Chrysler Group LLC stopped making its retro car, the PT Cruiser.

The Mustang, which has had a strong retro look since 2005, is losing steam, too. Last year Ford sold 70,438, down 4.4% from 2010 and less than half the 166,530 it sold in 2006. Chevrolet’s redesigned Camaro and Chrysler’s Challenger each outsold their historical rival last month.

The new Mustang is due as a 2014 model, and will look somewhat like an Aston Martin, the high-price sports car often featured in James Bond movies. People who have seen the new Mustang said it is almost a body double for the Evos concept car that Ford showed at the Frankfurt auto show last fall.

A Ford spokesman said he couldn’t comment on Ford’s product plans for the Mustang.

Changing the Mustang’s look is a risky move for Ford because the car has such a big following, said Rebecca Lindland, an analyst with researcher IHS Automotive Inc. “Ford has had so much success with [the retro Mustang], there is significant risk of going somewhat away from it,” she said. “You have to evolve the design, but it is a risk to change it too fast or radically.”

Baby boomers are still an important demographic. They drove booms in minivans, sport-utility vehicles and luxury cars in addition to retro models. But with the oldest boomers now retired, that generation is near the end of its run as hard-charging car consumers.

The average Mustang buyer today is 51 years old, Mr. Edwards said. They fall into the category of “near-luxury” consumers in terms of spending habits and tend to include more men than women. They like power and performance, he said.

Lee Stewart a 45-year-old accountant from Bristow, Va., just ordered a 2013 Mustang GT convertible, and loves the current, 1960s look. The Evos concept car, he added, is “a beautiful automobile, but it isn’t a Mustang.”

The original Mustang launched a whole category of inexpensive, sporty cars with a uniquely American look. The vehicle was a pet project of then Ford Vice President Lee Iacocca, who kept it alive after Henry Ford II had rejected early concepts.

It hit the market as baby boomers were in their teens and its rapid success triggered a host of similarly, small, four-seater sports cars. General Motors Co. countered with its Camaro, and Chrysler added the Dodge Charger and Challenger. In a nod to the Mustang, they were known as “Pony cars.”

In the 1970s, Detroit faced rising competition from small Japanese and fuel-economy regulations. The Big Three shrank their pony cars and changed their looks dramatically, and they all but faded from the roads by the late 1990s.

In 1998, Volkswagen AG tapped into boomer nostalgia when it reincarnated the Beetle. In 2005, the retro-style Mustang was launched and it was a hit.

But for Adam Perito, 32, a recruiter who is on the leading edge of Generation Y, the current Mustang is great and he is looking to buy one, but “the new one looks pretty sweet. Maybe I should wait until it comes out.”

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SSickLS1SS
04-16-2012, 12:20 PM
not a bad looking car, but that looks like ass for a "mustang"

jimmy169
04-16-2012, 12:25 PM
I think it'd be big news if they already revealed the bodystyle of the new mustang. I doubt that's going to be it. I still remember all the bs body styles we've had for the gtr, new corvette which isn't even done yet, and a slew of other cars. I agree with their stance otherwise and can't stand the interior of the mustang. I'd be happy if they changed the interior at least.

Edit: Just saw it on autoblog :-/ Not sure what to think, I hope interior is good.


Lockdown99ss
04-16-2012, 12:28 PM
I honestly believe that would appeal to an even older crowd.... not younger. Looks nice, but don't kill the mustang's appearance like that. Just introduce a different model... Ford Firefly has a nice ring to it.

Z Fury
04-16-2012, 02:05 PM
Mustang and Camaro should always have a "brutish" look to them. They are muscle cars, first and foremost. I agree a redesign is in order, but that image better not be even close to the direction they are going.

crazboy99
04-16-2012, 02:08 PM
It has a hint of Aston Martin styling. If it has rwd and a respectable power plant be it V8 or forced induction V6, I don't care what they call it, that could very well be something I would have to consider.

Latch
04-16-2012, 02:19 PM
R.I.P. Mustang

Wolfsblut
04-16-2012, 02:21 PM
Looks not bad, but not as a Mustang please..

BlackScreaminMachine
04-16-2012, 02:25 PM
Well hello there Ford Probe....

94Mustang302ci
04-16-2012, 02:53 PM
http://files.americanmuscle.com/blog2/2014mustang2.jpg

http://files.americanmuscle.com/blog2/2014mustang.jpg

License2Ill
04-16-2012, 03:13 PM
Looks bad ass!...
Almost like the current one more morphed into modern rather than towards retro'd. A combonation sort of.

I've often wondered what the 5th Generation camaro could have looked like before retro craze took over.
To be honest the retro crazed era disturbed muscle car's natural evolvement. We may not ever know what muscle cars would have looked like if they hadn't been interrupted by the retro designs. When it ends do the auto makers plan to go back on track and pick up where they left off?
More importantly what does Chevy plan to do with the Camaro designs after retro finishes running its course?

Post 10 looks like a camaro from the back and sides.

For whiny whiners a Mustang will be anything Ford decides to label one.....just look at the 60s or 70s Mustang II for example....so a sock will be needed for whiners regardless.
For those who love the retro years they should be happy...this looks definitely inspired by those years....soooo the Ford designs are NOT picking up where they were BEFORE they retro'd.
Again more importantly what does Chevy plan to do?

projectX
04-16-2012, 03:17 PM
Hmm....

HioSSilver
04-16-2012, 03:47 PM
I dig it. I was never a fan of the retro stuff. I like old school ques here and there with a modern design.

gocartone
04-16-2012, 03:50 PM
Do not want. I really doubt Ford will go that route with the Mustang. I can see them ditching the retro look, but I REALLY doubt they will make it look anything like that concept. It looks a lot more like a concept for a 2-door Fusion than anything Mustang related. You don't make your halo sports car look like your mid-size family sedan unless you're hoping it fails.

Rawr256
04-16-2012, 05:30 PM
Looks bad ass!...
Almost like the current one more morphed into modern rather than towards retro'd. A combonation sort of.

I've often wondered what the 5th Generation camaro could have looked like before retro craze took over.
To be honest the retro crazed era disturbed muscle car's natural evolvement. We may not ever know what muscle cars would have looked like if they hadn't been interrupted by the retro designs. When it ends do the auto makers plan to go back on track and pick up where they left off?
More importantly what does Chevy plan to do with the Camaro designs after retro finishes running its course?

Post 10 looks like a camaro from the back and sides.

For whiny whiners a Mustang will be anything Ford decides to label one.....just look at the 60s or 70s Mustang II for example....so a sock will be needed for whiners regardless.
For those who love the retro years they should be happy...this looks definitely inspired by those years....soooo the Ford designs are NOT picking up where they were BEFORE they retro'd.
Again more importantly what does Chevy plan to do?

They have no idea what they will do. To me retro was just a lie to themselves of saying, "we don't know what to do really, so here is something recycled!" There are kits to make current C6's look like C1's, but you don't see people flocking to them. Car's need to take an evolution. Cars with a certain history I can understand a retro or modernized theme, but it should only be temporary. GT40 comes to mind, or even the SSR.

Part of the battle they at least acknowledge is, currently many kids really don't care for cars with the lack of them having a licence. If they have to, they are 100% contempt getting behind the wheel of a Camry and doing the lame excuse of "i just go from point a to point b" and do so being a crappy driver. They pump out cars like the fusion, camry, malibu, etc to meet the needs of these people. Gizmos and Gadgets are cool, but they aren't needed in a sports car. I don't need something to try and distract me from the driving experience.

Bottom line, make crap for everyone else that wants to buy the crap. The heart pounding testosterone generating cars that we love (or hate because of a badge on the front of it) leave it alone so we can still enjoy our little bit of happiness we get when driving.

7998
04-16-2012, 06:10 PM
You know what, If I ever grow a vagina that may be the car for me.

01BlueSS1995
04-16-2012, 06:14 PM
:bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:

I cant see this as reality!

jimmy169
04-16-2012, 08:38 PM
http://files.americanmuscle.com/blog2/2014mustang2.jpg

http://files.americanmuscle.com/blog2/2014mustang.jpg

Nice! That threw Fords design out the window. I wish they would notice this. There should be a mass submission by mustang fans pressing them on this kind of design. It's got all the right subtle changes from the current one, even somewhat resembles their new design while keeping the current trend going.

whytryz28
04-17-2012, 12:29 AM
Inb4 Ohio

Marc3.4V6
04-17-2012, 12:55 AM
It has a hint of Aston Martin styling. If it has rwd and a respectable power plant be it V8 or forced induction V6, I don't care what they call it, that could very well be something I would have to consider.

Just a hint?

Do not want.

DoggyB22
04-17-2012, 02:20 AM
Looks like an Aston Martin/Jaguar


http://files.americanmuscle.com/blog2/2014mustang2.jpg

http://files.americanmuscle.com/blog2/2014mustang.jpg

I like the back... The front not so much

LS1-450
04-17-2012, 08:33 AM
Tired of hearing about both "baby boomers" & "Mustangs." Far too many of each in exestence. :barf:

It'llrun
04-17-2012, 08:54 AM
Not likely the future Mustang. The "SawCreatives" car, may be closer... That little one, however, would be far too "cool" for Ford to produce as a Mustang. It could come in with a different banner, but it's too small and would offer too many advantages. Thus, Ford won't make it the Mustang. Maybe it could be another all new Thunderchicken! Looks like a 2 seater anyway.

I'd MUCH rather they build that as a T-bird or whatever and offer the Mustang as a lighter, more aerodynamic car AND an all new 4dr! That April fools 4dr looked hilarious on one hand, but great on another. They'd have to use the 5.8L in it though, to maintain some higher performance standard... who wants a $50-60,000 grocery getter/kids hauler? MILF's across America, that's who! :lol:

nanokpsi
04-17-2012, 09:16 AM
I think the author contradicts himself saying how the Mustang was outsold last month by two other retro design cars. Plus, I am not sure I believe that the Challenger outsold the mustang in ANY month.
I am indifferent. I love the way my 2010 GT500 looks, but if the next car is sleek and European I think it will do fine as long as it performs well. Looks are subjective, but performance will always be what is most important to me.

If they sell a car that looks close to the evos concept, but the top version has a turbocharged 5.0 in it, I would bet your opinions would change pretty quick. However, if the change is too drastic AND performance suffers, they will probably eat a sh1t burger.

ProStreet_632
04-17-2012, 10:56 AM
http://files.americanmuscle.com/blog2/2014mustang2.jpg

http://files.americanmuscle.com/blog2/2014mustang.jpg

That really looks good. Now can we get the a 5.8 Coyote SC Engine for the Shelby please.

Johnnystock
04-17-2012, 12:40 PM
Total BS, wont happen. If it does, they will kill the name and the car. Didnt they learn anything about the Mustang II episode?? They wont kill a car that sells very well, is an excellent performer and with a brand new engine in it.

The car might be nice for a new young market, find another name for it. Would be a nice competitor fro the Subaru BRZ.

redbadss
04-17-2012, 01:01 PM
can they not design a car with the side scoops like the old shelby's and 99-04 years. I thought that was what set the mustang apart styling wise and really helped complete the overall asthetic appeal to me. newer american vehicles now are too plain/boring/unsculpted on the side.

It'llrun
04-17-2012, 01:27 PM
Total BS, wont happen. If it does, they will kill the name and the car. Didnt they learn anything about the Mustang II episode?? They wont kill a car that sells very well, is an excellent performer and with a brand new engine in it.Seems most of us are thinking similarly. Of course, the engine part doesn't need to bother them since they're using it in so many trucks now. Easier, it could be, to simply give that one a name of its own and produce it, but still with the cool engine options, like a turbo 4 or the turbo 6 or the 5L and definitely, REAR WHEEL drive, or AWD.

The car might be nice for a new young market, find another name for it. Would be a nice competitor fro the Subaru BRZ.There's an idea, but this car really needs to be RWD, standard with an AWD option.

I'm actually thinking of a car better than the Mustang in overall performance. Lighter, smaller, as powerful... Works for me, even though I'd probably never buy one for 2 reasons. #1, I don't need that small a car. #2, The Corvette already exists. :D

Guitar
04-17-2012, 10:10 PM
Looks like an Aston Martin/Jaguar




I like the back... The front not so much

Opposite here.

SparkyJJO
04-17-2012, 10:35 PM
What the...

That front end in the original pic looks awkward. Really, really awkward. It's like they changed their minds on the styling halfway up the bumper.

chaman
04-17-2012, 10:46 PM
Whatever they do, I hope is not a retro anything.

Wnts2Go10O
04-18-2012, 11:32 AM
It has a hint of Aston Martin styling. If it has rwd and a respectable power plant be it V8 or forced induction V6, I don't care what they call it, that could very well be something I would have to consider.

a hint? it looks like ford stole a DB9 and changed some body panels and headlights..:bomb:

jimmy169
04-18-2012, 01:36 PM
One bright side I see towards this or any other design than the retro look is that it will make the current crop of mustangs unique. They've had a unique look all of this time but with minor changes it was being resold every year. At least now the owners can have something different that is a unique style of their own not being resold every year for the next 20 plus years. I thought this retro thing would never end making the look anything but special.

-Ross-
04-18-2012, 01:45 PM
Tired of hearing about both "baby boomers" & "Mustangs." Far too many of each in exestence. :barf:

That's a retarded ass statement and please learn how to spell.

My parents are "baby boomers".

thunderstruck507
04-18-2012, 01:47 PM
Looks more like some kind of Buick fucked Aston concept car than anything...

NW-99SS
04-22-2012, 05:04 PM
Its a Mitsu front-ended machine, lol! Maybe the next Ford Probe :P?

Actually like the side profile, although it looks very Aston, Ferrari F12ish which is a great place to draw inspiration for design.

jimmy169
04-22-2012, 07:58 PM
Ford should focus on bringing over the Focus RS for Gen Y. I am Gen Y and though I don't speak for everyone, I don't have the same connection and sentimental value for v8's. Let the baby boomers have their mustangs as well as other fans from Gen Y, but bring the rest of us the Focus RS. I'd rather a light weight 350hp turbo fwd than the Mustang GT or GT500, I don't care if the v8 is faster.

JD_AMG
04-22-2012, 08:13 PM
Ford should focus on bringing over the Focus RS for Gen Y. I am Gen Y and though I don't speak for everyone, I don't have the same connection and sentimental value for v8's. Let the baby boomers have their mustangs as well as other fans from Gen Y, but bring the rest of us the Focus RS. I'd rather a light weight 350hp turbo fwd than the Mustang GT or GT500, I don't care if the v8 is faster.

Why would you want a FWD car, none the less a FWD car over a RWD one???
Give me light weight RWD V8 over FWD egg shaped turd...

1ltcap
04-22-2012, 10:11 PM
I think it'd be big news if they already revealed the bodystyle of the new mustang. I doubt that's going to be it. I still remember all the bs body styles we've had for the gtr, new corvette which isn't even done yet, and a slew of other cars. I agree with their stance otherwise and can't stand the interior of the mustang. I'd be happy if they changed the interior at least.

Edit: Just saw it on autoblog :-/ Not sure what to think, I hope interior is good.

have you driven one? of the current mustangs that is?

i've driven/owned mustangs from every generation, and the current is by far the best laid out, most comfortable interior.
i've also driven camaros from every generation, although the only camaro i've ever owned(still do) is a track car. i liked the 69 z the best overall, but comfort-wise, the late 70's were the best of those to me. i hated the exteriors of those though. the 80's/90's camaros? not comfortable, or well laid out to me at all. i like the couple current gen camaros i've been in.....except for the instrument clusters, and a couple other things.

jimmy169
04-22-2012, 11:36 PM
The intelligence level of this thread seems to be deteriorating.


Due to this guys comment on the next page I've decided to edit out my post.

1ltcap, short answer is no, I haven't driven the new 5.0.

chaman
04-23-2012, 12:06 AM
The intelligence level of this thread seems to be deteriorating.

It'llrun
04-23-2012, 02:20 AM
Ford should focus on bringing over the Focus RS for Gen Y. I am Gen Y and though I don't speak for everyone, I don't have the same connection and sentimental value for v8's. Let the baby boomers have their mustangs as well as other fans from Gen Y, but bring the rest of us the Focus RS. I'd rather a light weight 350hp turbo fwd than the Mustang GT or GT500, I don't care if the v8 is faster.I doubt we'll ever see a factory stock 350hp FOCUS... Main reason is, it's too hard on the drive train. I've read of a 305hp version in Europe, and even seen a test drive. It did perform wonderfully, even in rain. They said Ford nearly worked out all the wheel hop issues and so forth, always associated with "powerful" FWD platforms which aren't also very heavy.

Ford knows that the Mustang certainly isn't only about the baby boomers. After all, they've been selling it since 1964, when the boomers were learning how to drive in many cases and had been only for a short time in others. It was "cool" on the cheap. The "trend" continued though... in 1979, we saw a new Fox body and that one didn't sell as well as the original(few models ever did), but it birthed an entirely new generation of Mustang enthusiasts. Most of those are under 50 and still buy cars. Plus, even the newest drivers like the Mustang.

Ford may offer the Mustang with a TT V6 soon... That would be "cool" for many of us, but it wouldn't satisfy everyone. The FOCUS ST is coming soon... It may not be the RS, but it's about as close as we'll get. I like it personally, but I don't figure on getting one for many reasons. The main reason, it lacks RWD and I still think the steering and the drive wheels are better on opposite ends of the vehicle. Maybe a RWS would be better??

Felix C
04-24-2012, 09:56 AM
The Aston Martin and Jaguar styling cues have been pillaged by Hyundai and Kia lately. It was nice when it was on an expensive car but diluted now that is in other brands. I have had enough of retro but another AM or Jaguar bastardization is hardly an improvement.

TriShield
05-09-2012, 12:09 PM
Edmunds chop

http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/assets_c/2012/05/newmustang_1600-thumb-717x477-120322.jpg

lol

HioSSilver
05-09-2012, 12:13 PM
That looks sharp

94Mustang302ci
05-09-2012, 12:20 PM
Edmunds chop

http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/assets_c/2012/05/newmustang_1600-thumb-717x477-120322.jpg

lol

Looks like an Eclipse had sex with a Mustang......

lees02WS6
05-09-2012, 12:24 PM
This...

As Baby Boomers Reminisce, Ford Aims to Save Brand With European Look to Draw Younger Buyers

The change is part of a bid to make the Mustang appeal to Generation Y, the roughly 80 million people who were born between 1980 and 1999. This demographic group is entering its peak car-buying years. Cars that their parents drive—and hark back to the days of Woodstock, 20 years before they were born—don’t really interest them.

http://www.ipadforums.net/img/wall_street_journal_logo.gif (http://blogs.wsj.com/drivers-seat/2012/04/16/mustang-makeover-what-does-ford-have-in-mind/)

and this...




Part of the battle they at least acknowledge is, currently many kids really don't care for cars with the lack of them having a licence. If they have to, they are 100% contempt getting behind the wheel of a Camry and doing the lame excuse of "i just go from point a to point b" and do so being a crappy driver.

I sit around Gen Y and younger all day long, in suburban and urban locations, and most of those kids don't give a crap about cars. Many of them see them as a problem: pollution, time waster ("I could be working on my iPad on the train instead of driving"), and a drain on what money they have. (college debt, low pay, whatever the financial driver is). Many of the older ones, that in generations past would be thinking about marriage, and owning a home soon, are still single and live at home (see finances...lack of).

I have heard this issue, about younger buyers, brought up on multiple news sources, and car manufacturers are worried. From what I have heard, they have reason to be worried.

badjuju342
05-10-2012, 11:01 AM
Hopefully GM does not follow this cue by Ford and completely screw up the Camaro. That rendering is positively hideous!

Adam1203
05-10-2012, 02:26 PM
Why would you want a FWD car, none the less a FWD car over a RWD one???
Give me light weight RWD V8 over FWD egg shaped turd...

This is the sentiment of most of the younger generations.

The idea of owning 2 or 3 cars is a thing of the past. Most now are lucky to own 1. when you own 1 car it needs to be able to do everything you want it to do. Which means performance, utility, mpg, and the ability to easily go through snow. I know some will say rwd can but it cant with the same easy that fwd can. Turbo cars are also becoming more powerful while delivering better mpg then v8s.

The younger generations also dont have the money to spend on cars. we are strapped with higher debt and lower paying jobs. the ability to go out and buy a 35+ even after leaving college and in the work force for a few years is a unreachable goal for most.

The world around us is changing its as simple as that. If the car manufactures insist on stayin in the past they will stay there and become history like edsle, amc, rambler and the rest who could successful adapt to change .

JD_AMG
05-10-2012, 05:10 PM
This is the sentiment of most of the younger generations.

The idea of owning 2 or 3 cars is a thing of the past. Most now are lucky to own 1. when you own 1 car it needs to be able to do everything you want it to do. Which means performance, utility, mpg, and the ability to easily go through snow.

And out of that FWD only offers potential to be "good" in the snow. It offers lack luster performance compared to Rwd (especially in feel), and utility and mpg are questionable.


I know some will say rwd can but it cant with the same easy that fwd can. Turbo cars are also becoming more powerful while delivering better mpg then v8s.
I hear this a lot and am still waiting for someone to make a turbo car that makes more power and gets significantly better gas mileage than our "old tech" pushrod V8s. Im seeing the LSx's still get better gas mileage AND make more power/torque (also while not having to rev to the moon). To top it all off the LSx's end up being lighter/smaller/cheaper than the turbo engines...


The younger generations also dont have the money to spend on cars. we are strapped with higher debt and lower paying jobs. the ability to go out and buy a 35+ even after leaving college and in the work force for a few years is a unreachable goal for most.

I don't think anyone expects a young graduate to be buying a brand new car...


The world around us is changing its as simple as that. If the car manufactures insist on stayin in the past they will stay there and become history like edsle, amc, rambler and the rest who could successful adapt to change .
The world is always changing, im not sure where you are going with this. The automakers are always adapting and trying new things. If anything AWD is the way to go.

Adam1203
05-11-2012, 09:48 AM
And out of that FWD only offers potential to be "good" in the snow. It offers lack luster performance compared to Rwd (especially in feel), and utility and mpg are questionable.


I hear this a lot and am still waiting for someone to make a turbo car that makes more power and gets significantly better gas mileage than our "old tech" pushrod V8s. Im seeing the LSx's still get better gas mileage AND make more power/torque (also while not having to rev to the moon). To top it all off the LSx's end up being lighter/smaller/cheaper than the turbo engines...


I don't think anyone expects a young graduate to be buying a brand new car...


The world is always changing, im not sure where you are going with this. The automakers are always adapting and trying new things. If anything AWD is the way to go.

It went right over you head. The younger kids that are coming out of college aren't as into performance cars as we as the baby boomers and other generations. There priorities and the way they perceive things are different. They are more geared to be green and conserve natural resources. The idea of owning multiple cars is a wast to them. like I said they want to own one car that is versatile and usually put an emphasis on MPG and utility rather then speed and hp. this is echoed is the post you quoted and said why would you want fwd. thats what I mean times are changing.

It offers lack luster performance to rwd? are you talking from a driving stand point? because if so that would be subjective. Every one doesn't think like you do trust me. It was a huge shock when I went back to college and started talking to people who are 8-10+ years younger then me and how turned off they were that I had 3 cars and 2 of them are as they put it gas hogs.

JD_AMG
05-11-2012, 04:46 PM
It went right over you head. The younger kids that are coming out of college aren't as into performance cars as we as the baby boomers and other generations. There priorities and the way they perceive things are different. They are more geared to be green and conserve natural resources. The idea of owning multiple cars is a wast to them. like I said they want to own one car that is versatile and usually put an emphasis on MPG and utility rather then speed and hp. this is echoed is the post you quoted and said why would you want fwd. thats what I mean times are changing.

Ah, yes I didn't understand what you were getting at then, but you took my original quote out of context.
Look what I was replying to:
"I'd rather a light weight 350hp turbo fwd than the Mustang GT or GT500, I don't care if the v8 is faster."
Now obviously he is looking for at least some performance, and likely not gas mileage (otherwise why not a prius for example?).



It offers lack luster performance to rwd? are you talking from a driving stand point? because if so that would be subjective.

Apples to apples FWD doesn't have the traction RWD does when launching, and FWD is inferior for handling and braking(all the weight over the nose with the transversely mounted engine) as well. That is a fact.

Every one doesn't think like you do trust me. It was a huge shock when I went back to college and started talking to people who are 8-10+ years younger then me and how turned off they were that I had 3 cars and 2 of them are as they put it gas hogs.
Sounds like you went to college with a bunch of hippies...

speedtigger
05-11-2012, 04:57 PM
I don't mind a more modern looking design, but only if it has a kick ass drive train. If it is a front wheel drive 4 cylinder, they better not call it a Mustang.

redbadss
05-13-2012, 10:02 AM
I have faith in the mustang model, and don't really buy all of these rumors. In the last three years we have gotten a refreshed model, a complete and arguably class leading drivetrain improvement on both v6 for 30mpg as well as the v8's, managed to beat a $70k M3 around a track for half the price, how bout that BOSS 302...and just recently released the most powerful v8 production car ever that doesn't get the gas guzzler tax imposed on it!?! I'd say the horrible blue oval has done their homework and will continue to improve upon their flagship model. Im sure they'll go with a IRS system for the international market and will scale down the car a bit, but I'll believe the rest when I see it.

The great Mr. Shelby himself said for years they would have something special for the 50th anniversary, which is around the time the next generation mustang is suppose to come to showrooms...

edit: mustang may not be the flagship model, but who thinks ford without thinking mustang or F-150? mustang being first in my book.

Heater
05-13-2012, 10:56 AM
Ford knows that they have to get it right. The Mustang is their name plate and one of their best selling cars.

If I had to guess it will be a more muscular version of a European design.


I just hope it doesn't look like the pictures the OP posted :turd:

NemeSS
05-13-2012, 01:46 PM
Ha-Ha.
Probe

nitrous addict
05-13-2012, 01:56 PM
Looks like ford took mazdas shinari rx concet and slapped a mustang badge on it -.-

got-a-ls1
05-14-2012, 12:34 AM
used mustangs have just tripled in value.