Street Racing & Kill Stories - 2000 SS VS 05 OR 06 stang....won but not by how much i would liked

so i have an m6 stock clutch, tranny, suspension, and gears......cammed 236 238 on a 112 lsa......has the slp flowpac kit, and also has an ls6 intake.....completely stock exhaust and manifolds.........dont have the money for an ory and headers.....but soon....anyway a guy i know has a 4.6, stick and only has a catback.......got out on the highway and gues he neverraced before because while driving, tried explaining to go on three honks, but then started pulling ahead when we didnt even honk....i was like wtf.....we were rolling at 40, and turns out he thought i said put it in third and go......so hes in third and after he was about 80 feet ahead of me i just gunned it......i didnt even start to catch him til i was doing like 100.....so i pass him when im doing 130 and then i let off......just thought mycar had a tougher time catching him than it should have........is the fact that i have stock manifolds really choking this carabove 5000 rpms? i mean after the cam and intake swap, thecar doesnt feel that much faster.....if i got headers and ditched the cats will it totally wake the car up?

Mustangs are just fast like that..

lol a 4.6 is like the slowest v8 ever.

def. something wrong with your setup.

headers and high flow cats will do you a world of change....and you'll feel it. especially with intake and cam already done.

First, you said he was about 80 ft. ahead of you before you gunned it. Second, I see you haven't been tuned after the cam install. That would be 2 good reasons why it took you so long to catch up to him. You said you don't have the money for headers. Take plan B: go to an exhaust shop and have them make a Y-pipe for you, forget about the headers for now {our exhaust manifolds flow decent}, then get a tune. Race him again and see how much of a difference it is from the previous race.

no it has been tuned since the cam swap......so with the slp flowpac, flowmaster muffler, and smooth bellow, i made 317 on a dynojet.....i figure after the cam and intake, i should be around 370 or so...which is a 100 hp difference than thestang, so i just thought i shoulda caught him more......maybe i should try racing him and actually go on the 3rd honk.........

come to think of it, he could been more like 100 feet or so ahead.....dont exactly remember

damn that sucks for you...u need a better tune and let that set up breath and release everything with better flow ..get som ebay long tubs or sumthing

my buddy tuned it with hptuners.....and has tuned tons of fbodies.....does that make him good? not necessarily but i have faith in the tune.......i dont know much, but there is no spark knock at all, and the air fuel is right where it needs to be which those are the most important things right

Mustangs are just fast like that..

^^^^Op...only post you should listen to..Words of wisdom...:nod:


jk...

Op, honestly..sometimes when another car gets the hit, it is harder to pull that back especially when the roll speeds are already high. I have had situations like that before..I would not worry about it. Run him again from a slower speed with both of you leaving at the same time. That would be a true test.

Another thing to check...does he have gears? They can do wonders!

i would have prioritized better and done full bolt on parts before doing a big cam like that.

The stock Y-pipe on these cars are awful. Get that replaced with a 3 inch Y-pipe and you'll feel a big difference.

OP If you were 80 feet behind him you realize that that is easily 6-7 car lengths. I'm suprised you caught him at all being that far in front of you and getting the hit. OP if you can get him to run from a lower roll and leave at the same time you will put a train on this guy.

i have to agree with above comment you have to realize if he is atleast 80ft in front of you to make up that difference and put another car on him is several car lengths. So it may look like and im sure the mustang owner you raced would like to think he only lost by one car length and essentially that did happen but if you consider being so far back to begin with he lost by several car lengths. Ive raced silver one by my work, cocky guy too. He would gun it first get 3-4 cars in front before i know it and have to play catch up and only pull next to him if not just one length and he would be happy that he kept up, lol.

yea......ill see if i can get ahold of him again

I have a stock 1995 lt1 t56 trans am.
cat delete, cai, short shifter, wore out clutch.
i destroyed a 01 5 spd cobra from a 45 roll.
all he had was catback, cai, short shifter
i slowed down at about 125, i was about 5-6 cars ahead.

also destroyed a 08 r/t charger from a dig
he had catback and cai
he jumped WAY early
after i hit about 110 (about 3/8 of a mile) i had easily 4 cars on him

my buddy had a 08 gt
short shifter, full exhaust, tune
from a 20 roll, (with me spinning a little) i beat him by a little more than a car.

as they said,
if he had 80 ft on you and you ran him down,
your car did pretty good.
get a rematch and stomp it when he does and make him cry

Yeah if he had a big hit and your car isn't tuned and has no exhaust set up - I am surprised you even passed him.

My bolt-on LT1 gave 3V's a hard time and crushed some hopes and dreams.

That being said, you definitely need some longtubes, off-road y-pipe, and a real tune. Why would you cam the car before doing supporting mods? No wonder it runs like junk.

ok so if hptuners isnt a real tune, then what is? u want me to go spend 500 for a dyno tune?

ok so if hptuners isnt a real tune, then what is? u want me to go spend 500 for a dyno tune?

We want you to learn how to mod a car. You dont add a mid/large sized cam to a car with stock manifolds and expect it to make huge power.

We want you to learn how to mod a car. You dont add a mid/large sized cam to a car with stock manifolds.

Agreed. You need to do supporting mods if you are going to put ANY mid/large cam on a stock short block car. I'm scared to even ask what valvetrain is on the said car right now... :bang:

But yes, a good tune would work. But FIRST, add longtubes, an off-road y-pipe, don't need a catback as I assume you have the slp dual-duals. What gears do you have? I'm assuming you went with 3.73's, but correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm hoping you bought the car this way? Just don't understand why somebody would spend the money to mod and cam a car when they could have spent less money on longtubes and an ory and be better off

first off, i didnt do a huge cam and expect huge results with stock exhaust.....i did the cam first, simply because i wanted to........does it harm the engine by putting a big cam and springs without having supporting mods? no. it just makes the cam not perform aswell........i am doing headers and exhaust in about a month orso.....yea i did it backwards, but so what. as stated in my post, i have 342s, and by the end of august hopefullyill have the money for a midwest 9 inch........i posted because i felt like i should have pulled on him harder.....in about a month or so i should have the money for the clutch and headers

Well he got the jump, a large lead, and your car is setup very poorly.

Also, with that cam and stock exhaust I bet you are actually closer to 340-350rwhp than your 370rwhp guess. You are giving the cam too much credit on stock exhaust...you even said it doesn't feel much faster. That's because it isn't. You would feel a 50+rwhp gain. The cam's job is to let the engine breathe and the stock manifolds/exhaust are enough to choke a stock car.

There's a reason people gain 25-30rwhp on a stock car from those mods. A guy I know had stock manifolds into 3"duals with a 228/228 cam and still gained over 3mph in the 1/8th mile with ebay headers.

It's also possible he is a better driver than you.

aight.......i lost the guys number....id like to go from a dig and rematch him and see what happens

I would do the headers and off-road-y before a rear, but it is your money.. spend it how you please

Mustangs are just fast like that..




I seriously just LoL'ed. Didn't expect that as a response :jest:

I would do the headers and off-road-y before a rear, but it is your money.. spend it how you please

i belive i said headers in a month and rear by the end of summer

no it has been tuned since the cam swap......so with the slp flowpac, flowmaster muffler, and smooth bellow, i made 317 on a dynojet.....i figure after the cam and intake, i should be around 370 or so...which is a 100 hp difference than thestang, so i just thought i shoulda caught him more......maybe i should try racing him and actually go on the 3rd honk.........

You wont make those kinda gains on a cam and intake. Even on a Dynojet.

headers and high flow cats will do you a world of change....and you'll feel it. especially with intake and cam already done.Nope that's not the problem, plenty of stout setups with stock mans. trust me.

so i have an m6 stock clutch, tranny, suspension, and gears......cammed 236 238 on a 112 lsa......has the slp flowpac kit, and also has an ls6 intake.....completely stock exhaust and manifolds.........dont have the money for an ory and headers.....but soon....anyway a guy i know has a 4.6, stick and only has a catback.......got out on the highway and gues he neverraced before because while driving, tried explaining to go on three honks, but then started pulling ahead when we didnt even honk....i was like wtf.....we were rolling at 40, and turns out he thought i said put it in third and go......so hes in third and after he was about 80 feet ahead of me i just gunned it......i didnt even start to catch him til i was doing like 100.....so i pass him when im doing 130 and then i let off......just thought mycar had a tougher time catching him than it should have........is the fact that i have stock manifolds really choking this carabove 5000 rpms? i mean after the cam and intake swap, thecar doesnt feel that much faster.....if i got headers and ditched the cats will it totally wake the car up?It will, but not to that degree...

Mustangs are just fast like that..
L O L
lol a 4.6 is like the slowest v8 ever.

def. something wrong with your setup.
Hey! no no, he just needs headers :rolleyes:

We want you to learn how to mod a car. You dont add a mid/large sized cam to a car with stock manifolds and expect it to make huge power.

:werd:

I don't know about that one....seems like the cheatr cam is considered medium sized, and it's done well. Pat g spec made over 400 at teh wheels with stock manifolds and through an auto...

Well, my friend used to own a 07 vette C6
Intake + exhaust cutout + dyno tuned by an experienced tuner using HP

We raced several cars such as R8, Carrera 4s, GT3-RS and we won in all

After installing headers, the way that vette pulled was amazing. Headers will really impress u more than u expect.

We raced porsches and R8's after installing headers. And they couldn't stand a chance.

Bottom line, install headers do a proper tune and race those mustang from dig in reverse.

U can search on youtube for (corvette C6 vs Audi R8) and u'll c

Well, my friend used to own a 07 vette C6
Intake + exhaust cutout + dyno tuned by an experienced tuner using HP

We raced several cars such as R8, Carrera 4s, GT3-RS and we won in all

After installing headers, the way that vette pulled was amazing. Headers will really impress u more than u expect.

We raced porsches and R8's after installing headers. And they couldn't stand a chance.

Bottom line, install headers do a proper tune and race those mustang from dig in reverse.

U can search on youtube for (corvette C6 vs Audi R8) and u'll c

Oh there is absolutely no doubt about the gains in performance going with a nice set of lts. I was just saying that there are some real stout setups sans headers, ask some Cali guys. Otherwise, agreed :nod:

Who tuned your car????
Check for pushrod length when doing the cam?

I don't think I would bother with that particular cam without the long tubes and good dyno tune by a reputable shop. Something just seems wrong with that setup, and it probably has a lot to do with the tune...like questioned above. I wonder how flat his face is from falling on it....? I'd bet good money that with the right amount of roller time (some street tuning would undoubtedly help as well) and some pacesetters he'd be tapping into a lot of otherwise unusable power. Maybe the rev limit isn't where it should be either. Now it just sounds like I'm making excuses for the fbody :jest:

it has been street tuned btw

Yep, with that big of a cam on stock manifolds and exhaust, its choking itself. It can't breathe.

I don't know about that one....seems like the cheatr cam is considered medium sized, and it's done well. Pat g spec made over 400 at teh wheels with stock manifolds and through an auto...

What are the cam specs on the cheatr cam, it is speced for manifolds specifically isnt it.

Don't know the exact specs, you'd have to look 'em up. But ya, it's a cam designed exclusively for stock manifolds...Pat G has a few good grinds too...

update.....just got some stepped headers on there, true 2.5 dual no cats, and wow, the car feels completely different.....didnt know exhaust choked the car that much........much faster