View Full Version : Z28 LS1 vs 2013 Mustang 5.0


VerdeZ28
04-24-2012, 11:43 PM
Thats right a 2013 5.0

So I raced my buddy who just got a brand spanking new mustang 5.0 this is the second time we go out and do this, the first there was no video:confused:

but now there is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLxMFqGWsi0

specs on both are below and in the description of the vid. we tried something different, that is that we were on the phone with each other the whole time so i guess it was interesting to have live commentary on a street race.

after all of this however, neither of us could agree who's car was straight up fastest, since they were pretty close so ill let you guys decide.

so enjoy and let the hating begin:corn:

2013 Mustang 5.0
bone stock
3.73 Boss rear and Boss suspension
6speed manual
dynoed 379rwhp see it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eclt91Qbipo
driver weight 150lbs
passenger weight 250lbs

1998 Camaro Z28
stock LS1 internals (stock cam, pistons, valvetrain, displacement, etc)
K&N CAI
LS6 Intake manifold
Ported TB
Edlebrock long tubes and ORY
Hooker cat back
Dynoed 350 to rear wheels before Hypertech tune
dont know where it sits now (probably 360 or so)
150000+miles if your wondering
Driver weight 310lbs
passenger weight 140lbs

all runs done in 2nd gear for both

bongva
04-24-2012, 11:49 PM
good runs man! those new 5.0's are no joke!

ohioborn80
04-25-2012, 12:00 AM
Very good runs. Pretty even from Video. YOu seem to lose no ground on shifts like he did each time. Now take both to the track...LOL

ohioborn80
04-25-2012, 12:02 AM
Oh a nd I don't care for the new fronts. But I want the tail lights.

Theblacknightls1
04-25-2012, 12:03 AM
I think was pretty close hard to tell who is faster. 5.0 looks like he needs a driver mod but your car runs very well for the mods you have.

VerdeZ28
04-25-2012, 12:06 AM
Very good runs. Pretty even from Video. YOu seem to lose no ground on shifts like he did each time. Now take both to the track...LOL

yeah it was a great race. if we were to go to the track as is I am sure he would take me since my tires are no good right now, hence the 2nd gear rolls. normally the best roll for me would be 25-30 in 1st, but i need to hook. Ill post up our first track excursion when it comes up.

Johnnystock
04-25-2012, 12:14 AM
I give the edge to the LS1 in this vid. He comes back after an early hit with the Stang an dhe stays in even if he missed 5th. I really like the 2013 look, way better than 2012 IMO.

Oh yeah, let the haters hate. I wonder if this cars can trap 117 with only tires...mmmm

SSickLS1SS
04-25-2012, 12:24 AM
wow real close runs i give you the edge up top, imagine no passengers and same weight drivers

VerdeZ28
04-25-2012, 12:35 AM
wow real close runs i give you the edge up top, imagine no passengers and same weight drivers

hmmm....got to hit up that weight watchers

lemons12
04-25-2012, 12:47 AM
LS was faster here. Plans for the 5.0?

Good multiple runs!

adamantium
04-25-2012, 12:54 AM
Nice im in hialeah. This was tonight? Okee?

VerdeZ28
04-25-2012, 01:45 AM
Nice im in hialeah. This was tonight? Okee?
last night, yeah on US-27. we do these things on monday nights since there are no police and the road is basically all ours

odthetruth
04-25-2012, 02:38 AM
Real good runs.

itsslow98
04-25-2012, 02:40 AM
tune/intake and re-run, bet he puts two cars on you.

clonedws6
04-25-2012, 02:42 AM
Thats irrelevant because he doesn't have an intake or tune.

LS1rob00
04-25-2012, 03:09 AM
Good runs, your car runs strong for sure for the mods/miles.

I would definitely say that he needs a driver mod though (not hating just being real) and I'd like to see a vid from the inside of his car too lol. I mean you were pulling him up top too and your shifts still could have been faster so that makes me wonder how well he was driving, being he just got the car and all.

Nonetheless good kill. I really like the 2013 5.0's too.

BOBS99SS
04-25-2012, 06:15 AM
Put a decent cam in there and you will easy put some space between that 5.0,good runs though,there very strong for a stock car

1_MEANZ28
04-25-2012, 06:40 AM
you have a very impressive bolt on ls1..just watch out when he starts modding !

TransAmcoupe98
04-25-2012, 06:42 AM
Driver mod for sure, he should be able to edge you out by at least a couple cars. Awesome runs though. Driver mod is one of the most important.

HioSSilver
04-25-2012, 07:33 AM
Good runs. You need to pull the hyperjunk tune out. It's probally costing you 10.

whytryz28
04-25-2012, 09:06 AM
Camaro was the winner here but those 5.0 are healthy, wonder if this is how the 99-04 mustang crew felt against stock LS1 camaros haha

willizm
04-25-2012, 09:21 AM
Did the camaro have an extra passenger? They both looked pretty evenly matched, but hard to tell for sure. I'd say if the equal passengers the GM would have a slight edge.

f1ctionZ28
04-25-2012, 10:51 AM
Did the camaro have an extra passenger? They both looked pretty evenly matched, but hard to tell for sure. I'd say if the equal passengers the GM would have a slight edge.

Yes. friend of ours was filming in the z28. as for the intake/tune on the 5.0 will beat this car? irrelevant this z is getting heads and a nasty cam soon.

willizm
04-25-2012, 11:27 AM
Yes. friend of ours was filming in the z28. as for the intake/tune on the 5.0 will beat this car? irrelevant this z is getting heads and a nasty cam soon.

I would like to see your H/C setup vs his full bolt on 5.0. That would make for a good race but you'd get the edge I'd think.

FST SS
04-25-2012, 12:00 PM
why don't you guys start in 1st gear at a 10 mpg roll. I would think running 1st to 4th would be more fun than 3rd to 5th. nice evenly matched cars. :usa:

mannyman84
04-25-2012, 12:00 PM
good runs man! those new 5.0's are no joke!

Can't beat a 98 with minor bolt ons.... Seems like a joke to me!


Good run OP, finally something that can run and out run ls1's after so many years

willizm
04-25-2012, 12:06 PM
More mods+more cubes and not pulling away. Don't see the funny. :(

redctsv
04-25-2012, 01:14 PM
More mods+more cubes and not pulling away. Don't see the funny. :(

No you got it all wrong, its not that the ls1 need mods, its more like the new 5.0s need more than hype to win a fight!
Trust me i fell for all the hype about them too! I knew they were supposed to be mid 12 cars, but after all the stock 5.0s are pulling h/c/i ls1s stories that kept popping up i really wanted to run one to see what it can really do. When i went to the drag strip one day my friend who went with me who is a big mustang fan was all excited to see the 5.0 in action. when i lined up with it at the track stock for stock, i will admit i was excited to see what the 5.0 can do. I mean come on this thing is supposed to whoop on h/c/i ls1s. After dragging it down the track quite easily, i was a bit disappointed as they are a lot slower than they are made out to be. Oh i did make fun of my friend after i whooped his beloved mustang.

willizm
04-25-2012, 01:25 PM
No you got it all wrong, its not that the ls1 need mods, its more like the new 5.0s need more than hype to win a fight!
Trust me i fell for all the hype about them too! I knew they were supposed to be mid 12 cars, but after all the stock 5.0s are pulling h/c/i ls1s stories that kept popping up i really wanted to run one to see what it can really do. When i went to the drag strip one day my friend who went with me who is a big mustang fan was all excited to see the 5.0 in action. when i lined up with it at the track stock for stock, i will admit i was excited to see what the 5.0 can do. I mean come on this thing is supposed to whoop on h/c/i ls1s. After dragging it down the track quite easily, i was a bit disappointed as they are a lot slower than they are made out to be. Oh i did make fun of my friend after i whooped his beloved mustang.

Hype or not they are good for mid to low 13 seconds stock, just like an fbody. I'm not saying they are 12 second beasts, but they aren't exactly 14sec slugs either. It seems as though guys around here side with them being one of the other, but I think they are in that middle ground of reality.

adamantium
04-25-2012, 01:25 PM
last night, yeah on US-27. we do these things on monday nights since there are no police and the road is basically all ours

lol i was actually thinking about going but since everyone goes out to Betty's burgers i was like okee is gonna be dead (fuck betty's burgers). Best time to get private runs in though. Good runs!

More mods+more cubes and not pulling away. Don't see the funny. :(

Who cares about cubes. Its a 2013 car rated at high 3's to the wheel VS a car from the late 90s with bolt ons and rated at low 3's to the wheel. I was expecting the 5.0 to pull.

Heater
04-25-2012, 06:11 PM
No you got it all wrong, its not that the ls1 need mods, its more like the new 5.0s need more than hype to win a fight!
Trust me i fell for all the hype about them too! I knew they were supposed to be mid 12 cars, but after all the stock 5.0s are pulling h/c/i ls1s stories that kept popping up i really wanted to run one to see what it can really do. When i went to the drag strip one day my friend who went with me who is a big mustang fan was all excited to see the 5.0 in action. when i lined up with it at the track stock for stock, i will admit i was excited to see what the 5.0 can do. I mean come on this thing is supposed to whoop on h/c/i ls1s. After dragging it down the track quite easily, i was a bit disappointed as they are a lot slower than they are made out to be. Oh i did make fun of my friend after i whooped his beloved mustang.



Hell yeah, only on the internet do those 5.0's really run decent. It's just a internet scam by Mustang owners to fool LS1 owners into being scared of them. In real life they run the same as the 2005-2010 3V cars.

karpetcm
04-25-2012, 06:44 PM
The new 5.0's to me are hella fast bone stock. I was able to barely pull on one and im full bolt ons. I did have almost another run with a 5.0 last night but the guy was just straight up stupid. Would just gun it with no warning and pick up his cell phone when i pull next to him pretending he was talking. After 3-4 times of this BS i just exited since i missed it and was willing to do a quick run with one if he was down.

FirebirdTransAm
04-25-2012, 06:56 PM
So the 98 camaro (w/passenger) was pulling a mustang that made 30rwhp more. How is this not a victory for GM and the camaro driver?

98 Z28, clear winner.

Sticks n Stones
04-25-2012, 07:17 PM
tune/intake and re-run, bet he puts two cars on you.

Agreed. That vid went down exactly like I thought it would. Good representing for the LS1 fbody crowd! Tell your buddy to get a dyno tune that gets rid of all the computer nannies taking power away at the shifts and he will put a couple cars on you. Not by any means a 5.0 nutswinger, but it's simply the truth: 5.0's act like damn turbo cars with how much speed they pick up with a basic tune.

Most importantly though: tell me what radios you are using and what it takes to use them like that! That's friggin awesome and I WANT IT!!!

karpetcm
04-25-2012, 07:33 PM
^on my camaro i hook up to my phone with the headphone or aux port then the tape into the tape deck and i have bluetooth and can listen to songs using the phone. I can talk to my friends on my cars speakers through the radio. We do that when we race as well which makes it easier to communicate instead of yelling or we cant hear each others honks since our cars are loud.

necrocannibal
04-25-2012, 07:38 PM
Put a 502 BB with a 102 MM turbo and put a few cars on the 5.0!!!!!






























Sorry some of the other posts sounded dumb like that. Good kill.

WhiteKnight '01
04-25-2012, 07:51 PM
I don't know why everyone is so surprised at your LS1 Camaro taking him out. A practically full bolt on LS1 doesn't run just mid to high 12's. They are low to mid 12 cars on average. The 5.0's are mid to high 12 second cars, and give the Camaro the weight advantage, being 200 lbs less and who do you think is going to win?

It's too bad it was night footage, some nice daytime footage would be nice. And I know you said your tires are bad, but I would have also liked to have seen some races from a dig.

Seems like driver error was kind of a big deal on the Mustang's end too, he missed 5th, twice...in a row. Makes me wonder if he was slow shifting or floating between gears too long, and if he left any of the extra features on that sometimes reduce power in these newer 'Stangs.

Driver error, traction control on, and another feature that reduces power in the 'Stang is how I pulled out two victories against a 2011 5.0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5CXXimZmKI

VerdeZ28
04-25-2012, 07:54 PM
the mustang has its stock radio, with the microsoft sync. the camaro has a pioneer 64BT. it has bluetooth and its own microphone. probably the best mod ive ever done to my car lol

redbird555
04-25-2012, 08:22 PM
Agreed. That vid went down exactly like I thought it would. Good representing for the LS1 fbody crowd! Tell your buddy to get a dyno tune that gets rid of all the computer nannies taking power away at the shifts and he will put a couple cars on you. Not by any means a 5.0 nutswinger, but it's simply the truth: 5.0's act like damn turbo cars with how much speed they pick up with a basic tune.

Most importantly though: tell me what radios you are using and what it takes to use them like that! That's friggin awesome and I WANT IT!!!

Description says it is boss tuned and it made 380whp on the dyno so i'd say it has a good tune on it....:confused: Anyway good runs op about what I expected...

ohioborn80
04-25-2012, 08:34 PM
Description says it is boss tuned and it made 380whp on the dyno so i'd say it has a good tune on it....:confused: Anyway good runs op about what I expected...

Being there is no Boss tune for a 5.0. I think they said Boss tuned suspesnion also. SO differnet springs/shocks. Also 370whp actually. BAsically what all stock manual 5.0's do. The 2013's gota 8hp increase but have yet to really show it on dyno's or track test.

Give average driver the 5.0 is just like the SS/392 13 sec cars. Just like teh ZR1 I seen with average driver run best of 12.3. Same for the 13 second CTS-V(ZL1).

Good drivers will drive them to middle 12.7-12.9's and great drivers will dip in the 12.5-12.6 area stock. WIth great conditions in weather and driver track prep soem have even seen low 12.2-12.4.

AndyIsLost
04-25-2012, 08:44 PM
Good job! I can't wait to re-match my friend's 5.0 with the Boss intake, those things are damn quick.

ohioborn80
04-25-2012, 08:48 PM
Good job! I can't wait to re-match my friend's 5.0 with the Boss intake, those things are damn quick.

Does he have other mods?

WhiteKnight '01
04-25-2012, 09:01 PM
Being there is no Boss tune for a 5.0. I think they said Boss tuned suspesnion also. SO differnet springs/shocks. Also 370whp actually. BAsically what all stock manual 5.0's do. The 2013's gota 8hp increase but have yet to really show it on dyno's or track test.



The 2013 5.0's are at 420HP now?

why87
04-25-2012, 09:48 PM
The 2013 5.0's are at 420HP now?

Probably just a marketing deal. Especially if dynos numbers are identical

HioSSilver
04-25-2012, 09:57 PM
the mustang has its stock radio, with the microsoft sync. the camaro has a pioneer 64BT. it has bluetooth and its own microphone. probably the best mod ive ever done to my car lol

I've been thinking about updating my radio....actually radio's are more of a information hub these days......seems like it would be a good mod.

ohioborn80
04-25-2012, 10:02 PM
The 2013 5.0's are at 420HP now?

Yes..Basically they have dyno'd within a few whp of the 11-12. Like 1-4 with in. They have some stuff different in the engine also.

itsslow98
04-25-2012, 10:19 PM
5.0s are the new ls1's. Way underrated. My brothers made 414/400 with just an intake and dynotune on Race Proven Motorsports dynojet.

ohioborn80
04-25-2012, 10:29 PM
5.0s are the new ls1's. Way underrated. My brothers made 414/400 with just an intake and dynotune on Race Proven Motorsports dynojet.

NIce numbers. Basically same as mine made with same mods.

07 z71 silverado
04-26-2012, 12:10 AM
does op have gears.

VerdeZ28
04-26-2012, 07:41 PM
No stock 3.42 on the z28

Mike Morris
04-26-2012, 07:59 PM
I wonder if that 5.0 is even broke in yet?

s346k
04-26-2012, 08:57 PM
so the camaro had an est combined driver/passenger weight of 450 lbs? damn, give the stang a 250lb driver and that's still roughly 2 mph the camaro is lacking due to weight. this would become apparent esp from a roll. i think if you even the weight that camaro would walk the dog regardless of the driver in the stang. it still managed to pull despite the weight.

i bought a factory radio with an aux input. i think aftermarket radios in these cars look like poop.

ohioborn80
04-26-2012, 09:03 PM
so the camaro had an est combined driver/passenger weight of 450 lbs? damn, give the stang a 250lb driver and that's still roughly 2 mph the camaro is lacking due to weight. this would become apparent esp from a roll. i think if you even the weight that camaro would walk the dog regardless of the driver in the stang. it still managed to pull despite the weight.

i bought a factory radio with an aux input. i think aftermarket radios in these cars look like poop.

You realize they both had abouts same driver and passenger weight right?400 to 450

s346k
04-26-2012, 09:07 PM
no, obviously not. well fuck, if that's the case..

good race, put a driver in the stang and it gets real interesting.

wicked383lt1
04-26-2012, 09:19 PM
last night, yeah on US-27. we do these things on monday nights since there are no police and the road is basically all ours

Damn homie gotta get out there...pm me the details. We have pretty much have the same mods. I gotta get new numbers but I don't think I'll be to far off of where you're at.

LT/LS Guy
04-26-2012, 09:43 PM
Good runs!

With a Hyperjunk tune and stock gear that's pretty good.

snake95
04-26-2012, 10:08 PM
More mods+more cubes and not pulling away. Don't see the funny. :(

This. Damn, seems like nobody is objective anymore about the 5.0. That LS1 runs well but the ignorant comments by manny about "took them so many years"....for fuck's sake there wasn't even a Camaro of the same year to beat an 03-09 'stang.

...and to redctsv...:lol: yep they're all hype...more like heartbreakers.

Shitty driven bone stock 5.0 stays neck and neck with bolt on LS1? The LS was faster, I'd agree, but all the negativity towards the 5.0 reminds me of the pic of the guy with a white towel tied around his eyes.

Redfire 03
04-26-2012, 11:09 PM
This. Damn, seems like nobody is objective anymore about the 5.0. That LS1 runs well but the ignorant comments by manny about "took them so many years"....for fuck's sake there wasn't even a Camaro of the same year to beat an 03-09 'stang.

...and to redctsv...:lol: yep they're all hype...more like heartbreakers.

Shitty driven bone stock 5.0 stays neck and neck with bolt on LS1? The LS was faster, I'd agree, but all the negativity towards the 5.0 reminds me of the pic of the guy with a white towel tied around his eyes.

Not trying to stir the pot Snake, but I like how the blue oval guys allow every single factor into the LS1 vs 5.0 equation EXCEPT the fact that the LS1 is a 13-year old, ancient ass engine. I mean come on, the 5.0 is superior to the LS1 in stock vs stock, bolt-on's alike or whatever, but you can't hide the fact that an LS1 can compete with just simple bolt-on mods, and yesterday's techno 241/853 heads vs. Ford's New state of the art, close to 400cfm flowing Coyote. Upon the modular 5.0's debut, I seriously thought it would take atleast a cam to get anywhere close. Let's be fair now.

Flame suit ready and Rollin'...

snake95
04-26-2012, 11:26 PM
Not trying to stir the pot Snake, but I like how the blue oval guys allow every single factor into the LS1 vs 5.0 equation EXCEPT the fact that the LS1 is a 13-year old, ancient ass engine. I mean come on, the 5.0 is superior to the LS1 in stock vs stock, bolt-on's alike or whatever, but you can't hide the fact that an LS1 can compete with just simple bolt-on mods, and yesterday's techno 241/853 heads vs. Ford's New state of the art, close to 400cfm flowing Coyote. Upon the modular 5.0's debut, I seriously thought it would take atleast a cam to get anywhere close. Let's be fair now.

Flame suit ready and Rollin'...

You're right, I guess it just bothers me to see the 5.0 blown off as over-hyped...because it isn't. It performs as well as it should. Manny's ignorance and the like of "oh it took this long" statements make me roll my eyes...because that game can go on forever.

The LS1 is undoubtedly a 346ci 10:1 very well performing engine from the factory, I know this because when I park my 302 in the garage I have to park it right next to my dad's fuckin' 99 Z28...I just thought that this fact would make people give respect to a 5.0 that can beat it stock for stock instead of downplay the performance...technology is a great thing, and the LS1 is a beast, still in my terms (even if some people are still hardasses and say it is "slow"), I just get irked when credit isn't given where it is deserved.

Redfire 03
04-26-2012, 11:52 PM
You're right, I guess it just bothers me to see the 5.0 blown off as over-hyped...because it isn't. It performs as well as it should. Manny's ignorance and the like of "oh it took this long" statements make me roll my eyes...because that game can go on forever.

The LS1 is undoubtedly a 346ci 10:1 very well performing engine from the factory, I know this because when I park my 302 in the garage I have to park it right next to my dad's fuckin' 99 Z28...I just thought that this fact would make people give respect to a 5.0 that can beat it stock for stock instead of downplay the performance...technology is a great thing, and the LS1 is a beast, still in my terms (even if some people are still hardasses and say it is "slow"), I just get irked when credit isn't given where it is deserved.

Anyone saying the 5.0 is underrated is in plain denial. These cars are putting down 376ci LS3 dyno numbers in stock form, 11-sec quarter-mile times with only bolt-ons. Remember guys, this is the "GT" were talking about here. If anything, they're actually underrated.

adamantium
04-27-2012, 01:53 AM
Anyone saying the 5.0 is underrated is in plain denial. These cars are putting down 376ci LS3 dyno numbers in stock form, 11-sec quarter-mile times with only bolt-ons. Remember guys, this is the "GT" were talking about here. If anything, they're actually underrated.

Yep trapping 112-115 out the box is VERY impressive.

69chevelleSS
04-27-2012, 11:57 AM
13 years old is ancient? My shit is prehistoric then....

lemons12
04-27-2012, 12:30 PM
the 5.0 is superior to the LS1 in stock vs stock, bolt-on's alike or whatever,

How so? Last I checked the Ls1 was superior? It has put down more Rwhp and better track times than both the Ls3 and the Coyote.

ohioborn80
04-27-2012, 01:05 PM
How so? Last I checked the Ls1 was superior? It has put down more Rwhp and better track times than both the Ls3 and the Coyote.

huh...so stock ls1's(ie no extra cubes or gm cam etc) have put down 450whp with nothing but bolt ons? If so show me a LS1 making 450whp with nothing but bolt ons. And they have ran 10.88 with nothing but bolt ons? LS3 has went even faster in the Vette but not the CAmaro.

Also show me a LS1 that has made 414whp with nothing but a tune and cold air.


Don't show me a LS1 that was stroked or cam and other shit you liek to consider stock LS1 either.

need2speed94
04-27-2012, 01:18 PM
Don't get me wrong the new 5.0s are quick... but I'd expect a lot more from a 5.0 that has variable valve timing, 4 cams, and 4 valves. Man I wish the new Camaro had a solid axle... maybe the 5.0 wouldn't be talked about so much lol. Only thing holding the 5th gens back and giving the Mustang the title as the fastest mondern muscle car. Back to the drawing board GM !

Heater
04-27-2012, 01:19 PM
huh...so stock ls1's(ie no extra cubes or gm cam etc) have put down 450whp with nothing but bolt ons? If so show me a LS1 making 450whp with nothing but bolt ons. And they have ran 10.88 with nothing but bolt ons? LS3 has went even faster in the Vette but not the CAmaro.

Also show me a LS1 that has made 414whp with nothing but a tune and cold air.


Don't show me a LS1 that was stroked or cam and other shit you liek to consider stock LS1 either.


Look where you are at, some things over here you just gotta let go. For the new 5.0 to even be compared to the LS1 is a compliment, the LS1 was a game changer.

ohioborn80
04-27-2012, 01:28 PM
Don't get me wrong the new 5.0s are quick... but I'd expect a lot more from a 5.0 that has variable valve timing, 4 cams, and 4 valves. Man I wish the new Camaro had a solid axle... maybe the 5.0 wouldn't be talked about so much lol. Only thing holding the 5th gens back and giving the Mustang the title as the fastest mondern muscle car. Back to the drawing board GM !

Mention 4 cams and 4 valves is like us Ford guys mentioning how many cubes the Camaro's have. 376cu in to 302...Ya thats fair right? Maybe GM should just switch over to modulat motors and make sam ehp with a lot less cubes. Suspension wise sure it would fair better at the drag strip. It would also fair better dropping 300lbs in stock form.

ohioborn80
04-27-2012, 01:28 PM
Look where you are at, some things over here you just gotta let go. For the new 5.0 to even be compared to the LS1 is a compliment, the LS1 was a game changer.

for when the LS1 came out it was great indeed. But now to much is out that is better. from the 5.0 and the LS3.

need2speed94
04-27-2012, 01:34 PM
Mention 4 cams and 4 valves is like us Ford guys mentioning how many cubes the Camaro's have. 376cu in to 302...Ya thats fair right? Maybe GM should just switch over to modulat motors and make sam ehp with a lot less cubes. Suspension wise sure it would fair better at the drag strip. It would also fair better dropping 300lbs in stock form.

I'm starting to think putting "Don't get me wrong the new 5.0 is fast" still does nothing to justify my argument and Ford guys still get upset lol, I will just stop putting that. Even though the coyote is 1.2L down, the technology it has should put it ahead of the LS3 hands down. Not saying all 2v heads are bad, but when compared to how "well" Ford did the the 4v heads coulped with the VVT cams... you'd think that it'd be able to outpower a motor based on the same 60 year old design that still has pushrods in play. Suspension.... Mustang Hands Down. I cannot stand the 5th gen suspension, particularly the rear end since drag racnig is my taste. Wheel hop for Days lol. It justhinders the launch and adds weight to hurt it even more after it gets moving. 5th gens need some help...

lemons12
04-27-2012, 01:38 PM
huh...so stock ls1's(ie no extra cubes or gm cam etc) have put down 450whp with nothing but bolt ons? If so show me a LS1 making 450whp with nothing but bolt ons. And they have ran 10.88 with nothing but bolt ons? LS3 has went even faster in the Vette but not the CAmaro.

Also show me a LS1 that has made 414whp with nothing but a tune and cold air.

Don't show me a LS1 that was stroked or cam and other shit you liek to consider stock LS1 either.

If redfire03 had replied to my post, I would have replied with links, stats, facts, etc..... You aren't worth my time.. You have wore out your welcome as far as I'm concerned.

You can take this to the bank... The 346 has put down more Rwhp and better track times than both the ls3 and the coyote. Why does this bother you and why do you find it so hard to believe? How long has it been out and how many hardcore guys own them VS the other platforms?

I haven't seen an ls3 or coyote put down 594Rwhp..... Or if you want to bitch about DMs, you could go to the next one which IIRC is 54XRwhp last I checked.
Also knocking on 8s doors (9.0X)@ 150mph... Or if you want to bitch about that isn't it low 9s@130+?

Do your research before you blab because your a nut swinger with a hurt corn hole.

lemons12
04-27-2012, 01:41 PM
for when the LS1 came out it was great indeed. But now to much is out that is better. from the 5.0 and the LS3.

The ls1 is still bitch slapping things left and right... Because it is better? Not necessarily but more because of the aftermarket. Which if you want to look that as "better", by all means.
I haven't seen anything knock the ls1 off the thrown just yet. In a few years when prices come down so the hardcore guys get involved in other platforms as well as sponsors.... Sure. Until then though the ls1 is still going to hold the majority of the records.

ohioborn80
04-27-2012, 01:44 PM
If redfire03 had replied to my post, I would have replied with links, stats, facts, etc..... You aren't worth my time.. You have wore out your welcome as far as I'm concerned.

You can take this to the bank... The 346 has put down more Rwhp and better track times than both the ls3 and the coyote. Why does this bother you and why do you find it so hard to believe? How long has it been out and how many hardcore guys own them VS the other platforms?

I haven't seen an ls3 or coyote put down 594Rwhp..... Or if you want to bitch about DMs, you could go to the next one which IIRC is 54XRwhp last I checked.
Also knocking on 9s doors @ 150mph... Or if you want to bitch about that isn't it low 9s@130+?

Do your research before you blab because your a nut swinger with a hurt corn hole.

Yet agian show me a bolt on LS1 making these numbers. And the coyote has went 9's on all motor. and made over 500whp also. Also on just motor. So again post your facts. Lets see a stock engine again stock cam/heads/cubes with just bolt ons making the numbers the 5.0/LS3 has made. If memory serves the LS3 has made close to 460whp woth just bolt ons. And show a stcok cube LS1 making these numbers of 596whp. I will wait. And again don't post some BS this is a LS1 that was stroked to a 408 but its an LS1..Cause no its not any more. If have to change cubes it defeats teh purpose cause the stock cubes 346 didn't get it done.

lemons12
04-27-2012, 01:50 PM
Yet agian show me a bolt on LS1 making these numbers. And the coyote has went 9's on all motor. and made over 500whp also. Also on just motor. So again post your facts. Lets see a stock engine again stock cam/heads/cubes with just bolt ons making the numbers the 5.0/LS3 has made. If memory serves the LS3 has made close to 460whp woth just bolt ons.

Who the fuck cares about bolt on numbers? I'm talking the full potential of the platform. Just because the ls3 and coyote got shit tunes from the factory doesn't make either "better".

The 346 WILL go 8s ON ALL MOTOR. It has already went 9.0XX@149.XMPH..... And made nearly 600Rwhp, not just "over 500Rwhp".

You want the bolt on record for a 346 with STOCK INTERNALS, bolt ons only (stock heads cam etc)? RUQWIKR -------- 10.685 @ 122.91 (1.37) BTW, there are TWO 346 SI cars that have went fast than the Coyotes best.
Don't talk to me like I don't know what SI are considered.

Now get off my dick.. I'm not wasting my time because you are too stupid to do a little research first.

Bring the lube next time, it won't hurt so bad ass hat.

I'm done with you.

lemons12
04-27-2012, 01:53 PM
Your edit:
And show a stcok cube LS1 making these numbers of 596whp. I will wait. And again don't post some BS this is a LS1 that was stroked to a 408 but its an LS1..Cause no its not any more. If have to change cubes it defeats teh purpose cause the stock cubes 346 didn't get it done.

Do you not see that I BOLDED 346 to let you know I was CLEARLY talking about a 346 cubic inch motor making that power? Are you that stupid? 346 cubic inches DID get it done and it is still getting it done running circles around all this shit you jack off to with "old" technology" and an inferior platform to this "better shit" that is running around.
Do your research and be humbled, I have started you in the right direction... You can show a horse water can't make the dumb ass drink though? Blah blah blah..

snake95
04-27-2012, 02:02 PM
Anyone saying the 5.0 is underrated is in plain denial. These cars are putting down 376ci LS3 dyno numbers in stock form, 11-sec quarter-mile times with only bolt-ons. Remember guys, this is the "GT" were talking about here. If anything, they're actually underrated.

I think you meant overrated first then underrated but I got what you mean :lol: I agree fully.

You hit the nail on the head, denial, for some of these fellas anyway.

ohioborn80
04-27-2012, 02:06 PM
Who the fuck cares about bolt on numbers? I'm talking the full potential of the platform. Just because the ls3 and coyote got shit tunes from the factory doesn't make either "better".

The 346 WILL go 8s ON ALL MOTOR. It has already went 9.0XX@149.XMPH..... And made nearly 600Rwhp, not just "over 500Rwhp".

You want the bolt on record for a 346 with STOCK INTERNALS, bolt ons only (stock heads cam etc)? RUQWIKR -------- 10.685 @ 122.91 (1.37) BTW, there are TWO 346 SI cars that have went fast than the Coyotes best.
Don't talk to me like I don't know what SI are considered.

Now get off my dick.. I'm not wasting my time because you are too stupid to do a little research first.

Bring the lube next time, it won't hurt so bad ass hat.

I'm done with you.

YOu ahve still yet to show real proof. Just typing words in the computer and showing on the screen. Links and video's would be actual proof. And talking full potential we woudl have to take the Cobra Jet that has a N/A 5.0 that has now went mid-high 9's still dialing it in. And has showed it will go high 8's with more tweaking.

So links to the 600whp stock cubed N/A LS1 going 8's or 9.00@149.

need2speed94
04-27-2012, 02:52 PM
Back to reality... GM still has the simpler, cheaper engine design along with the aftermarket. And being 15 years old, the LS1 is still a kick ass motor and it always will be because of it's simplicity and potential. Ford motors can ALWAYS be made fast (duh), but not at the price of a GM motor.

assasinator
04-27-2012, 03:25 PM
I haven't seen an ls3 or coyote put down 594Rwhp..... Or if you want to bitch about DMs, you could go to the next one which IIRC is 54XRwhp last I checked.


i'm not picking sides, but a package exists for n/a 620 crank hp from a coyote.


the developement is still new. if you don't think a 10-11k rpm coyote will match a LS1, you are also in denial. ETP heads are the way LS1's make that power. use stock heads and its a different matter. they coyote will make it's future max on modified stock heads.

lemons12
04-27-2012, 03:38 PM
i'm not picking sides, but a package exists for n/a 620 crank hp from a coyote.


the developement is still new. if you don't think a 10-11k rpm coyote will match a LS1, you are also in denial. ETP heads are the way LS1's make that power. use stock heads and its a different matter. they coyote will make it's future max on modified stock heads.

I hit that point in my post... The ls1 is still up there because of its age. Give it another 2-4 years and I would be shocked if it didn't get passed up in the Rwhp department. I think they ET records might take a bit longer but we will see.

They are all nasty platforms for the money.

That 594Rwhp was also through a 5000? converter FWIW... It put down what it put down but it wasn't a 6 speed... And I believe the 2nd had a large stalled auto and I know the 4th had a large stalled auto as well.

ohioborn80
04-27-2012, 03:59 PM
Back to reality... GM still has the simpler, cheaper engine design along with the aftermarket. And being 15 years old, the LS1 is still a kick ass motor and it always will be because of it's simplicity and potential. Ford motors can ALWAYS be made fast (duh), but not at the price of a GM motor.

NOt true. Its just as cheap to slap a blower on a ford engine and make more power then it is to stay N/A with them. This is one the biggest reason you will never see a huge n/a coyote engine. Even then once start modding both say a LS3 and a 5.0 they are about same. Kinda same with the LS1 and 4.6 as far as price to mod n/a.

BLUE OVAL TURBO
04-27-2012, 04:14 PM
Back to reality... GM still has the simpler, cheaper engine design along with the aftermarket. And being 15 years old, the LS1 is still a kick ass motor and it always will be because of it's simplicity and potential. Ford motors can ALWAYS be made fast (duh), but not at the price of a GM motor. :confused: You would be correct if we was talking about the early 80's back . But with the aftermarket (including Ford Racing ) the gap is closer than you may think. I remember a build of a traditional (Non LS ) Chevrolet 350 vs Ford 351 W and the cost/ power production was very close. Ford
Modular Motors have way more parts etc so that would be moot point to argue.

I8UR4RD
04-27-2012, 07:35 PM
Here is how I look at this:

Mileage--- LS1 car is high mileage.....Stang is still a young whipper snapper
Technology Age---- Camaro Built 10+ years ago vs 2013GT technology---
Pushrod V8 vs fords fancy new stuff------


And it still kept up with it. I just think that after all this time, investment, and planning on fords new flagship motor/design that they'd be able to toast an ole' high mileage bolt on LS. rofl! But, the one thing they did get right, is when you slap some bolt ons and mods on the 5.0....it too will come alive.

MikeWS6
04-27-2012, 09:11 PM
The way I look at it is that who ever has the most money is going to win. No matter what you buy something faster will come out. Good runs, I like both cars.

B0dyDr0pp3d
04-27-2012, 09:34 PM
My buddy just got a new 5.0 and he also just got Barton Industries Short Shifter and Bracket, JLT Carbon Fiber Cold air intake, Ford racing K Spring drop kit (2 inch), J&M Extreme Joint Rear Lower Control Arms, J&M Adjustable Panhard Rod, SCT iTSX Wireless Tuner And Custom tune from Bama Racing... He's claiming he'll have 500 hp after that. Which I think is BS... I need to beat him with full bolt ons, 4.10's, and a 224r cam... Doable? I also have a 100 shot I might throw on if I think I can't beat it without.

ccd_1606
04-27-2012, 09:40 PM
The new mustangs are sharp, my buddy just got a 2013 GT automatic. It has a cold air kit and axle back exhaust, it was going to get a tune but SCT has nothing for an automatic yet supposedly. He took it to the track bone stock and ran 8.63. Hopefully we will be taking it back soon since it has the exhaust and has had all four lightweight racing wheels added. It is an impressive car, but for the HP numbers they claim I don't see the performance.

Johnnystock
04-27-2012, 10:08 PM
My buddy just got a new 5.0 and he also just got Barton Industries Short Shifter and Bracket, JLT Carbon Fiber Cold air intake, Ford racing K Spring drop kit (2 inch), J&M Extreme Joint Rear Lower Control Arms, J&M Adjustable Panhard Rod, SCT iTSX Wireless Tuner And Custom tune from Bama Racing... He's claiming he'll have 500 hp after that. Which I think is BS... I need to beat him with full bolt ons, 4.10's, and a 224r cam... Doable? I also have a 100 shot I might throw on if I think I can't beat it without.

So he claims 500hp from a tune and CAI. BS. you will beat him if your car is in good health. Go with ported heads before nitrous too.

WhiteKnight '01
04-27-2012, 10:08 PM
The new mustangs are sharp, my buddy just got a 2013 GT automatic. It has a cold air kit and axle back exhaust, it was going to get a tune but SCT has nothing for an automatic yet supposedly. He took it to the track bone stock and ran 8.63. Hopefully we will be taking it back soon since it has the exhaust and has had all four lightweight racing wheels added. It is an impressive car, but for the HP numbers they claim I don't see the performance.

8.63? That's pretty weak, my Camaro can run an 8.6...and it's slow.

LS1 Racing
04-27-2012, 10:18 PM
... Even then once start modding both say a LS3 and a 5.0 they are about same. Kinda same with the LS1 and 4.6 as far as price to mod n/a.

Part for part they might be the same, but $$ per HP will never be close. The 4.6 2V mod motors will always be the LSx's BITCH.

B0dyDr0pp3d
04-27-2012, 10:29 PM
So he claims 500hp from a tune and CAI. BS. you will beat him if your car is in good health. Go with ported heads before nitrous too.

Yea hopefully I'll be able to take him and remind him it took me $25k less.

93camaro_zzz
04-27-2012, 11:04 PM
Nice runs! I ran my friend's 2011 5.0 MN6, and from a stop I beat him 4 out of 4 times with the stock Z28 DD automatic. I am fairly sure the Z28 does not break 300 to the wheel.

s346k
04-27-2012, 11:12 PM
ohio...?

http://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/1540177-stock-cube-346-n.html

:corn:

Heater
04-27-2012, 11:36 PM
Here is something to think about: Even though the 5.0 is new, it is still part of the mod motor family. It is a lot cheaper to build one than you guys are giving credit for.

Did you know that you can buy a used factory forged Cobra crank and Terminator H-beam rods and they bolt right into the new 5.0's :judge:

Redfire 03
04-28-2012, 12:13 AM
Here is something to think about: Even though the 5.0 is new, it is still part of the mod motor family. It is a lot cheaper to build one than you guys are giving credit for.

Did you know that you can buy a used factory forged Cobra crank and Terminator H-beam rods and they bolt right into the new 5.0's :judge:

Who in the hell buys used crank & rods? :lol:

Irunelevens
04-28-2012, 12:19 AM
People on a budget...?

Heater
04-28-2012, 12:27 AM
Who in the hell buys used crank & rods? :lol:


The conversation was about how cheap to build, and using used factory take out parts is a great option if you are on a budget.


I've built several engine with used parts, nothing wrong with it IMO.

ohioborn80
04-28-2012, 12:44 AM
My buddy just got a new 5.0 and he also just got Barton Industries Short Shifter and Bracket, JLT Carbon Fiber Cold air intake, Ford racing K Spring drop kit (2 inch), J&M Extreme Joint Rear Lower Control Arms, J&M Adjustable Panhard Rod, SCT iTSX Wireless Tuner And Custom tune from Bama Racing... He's claiming he'll have 500 hp after that. Which I think is BS... I need to beat him with full bolt ons, 4.10's, and a 224r cam... Doable? I also have a 100 shot I might throw on if I think I can't beat it without.

He is smoking crack. He will not have 500hp with them mods. Specially that tune. They make one the weakest tunes out there. He will be luckyy to break 405whp with that tune.

ohioborn80
04-28-2012, 12:48 AM
ohio...?

http://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/1540177-stock-cube-346-n.html

:corn:
Notice it isn't a LS1. And look what done to it. He said LS1 not a sleeved every thing LS2. So wrong again. Also see some one says best case dyno with 50 degree day etc etc.


The block is a sleeved LS2, 4.155" bore stroke is 3.185"
13.1 compression, solid roller.
Comp Eliminator Spec? not sure what that is...but I like it!

Dave

Redfire 03
04-28-2012, 12:52 AM
The conversation was about how cheap to build, and using used factory take out parts is a great option if you are on a budget.


I've built several engine with used parts, nothing wrong with it IMO.

I have no problem with used parts (for the most part) but I would never go as far as running junk internals in my build - especially connecting rods. A good crank maybe, but rods - No way!

Heater
04-28-2012, 01:08 AM
I have no problem with used parts (for the most part) but I would never go as far as running junk internals in my build - especially connecting rods. A good crank maybe, but rods - No way!



Terminators come with Manley H-beam rods, I'd run them in a skinny minute.

Redfire 03
04-28-2012, 01:51 AM
Terminators come with Manley H-beam rods, I'd run them in a skinny minute.

I am aware of this. Hence the name, "Redfire".

s346k
04-28-2012, 08:48 AM
Notice it isn't a LS1. And look what done to it. He said LS1 not a sleeved every thing LS2. So wrong again. Also see some one says best case dyno with 50 degree day etc etc.actually he said 346cid motor. it's an lsx engine using lsx technology. it's not like he has a 4v head or anything. give some credit where it's due, man. fact of the matter is, the ls1 is still the bar, even after damn near 15 years. i think the new 5.0s are making their way up, but they are still too expensive to own and mod for most guys to consider. especially when you can purchase/mod an lsx car to the same end result for prob 1/4 the money.

lemons12
04-28-2012, 08:56 AM
actually he said 346cid motor. it's an lsx engine using lsx technology. it's not like he has a 4v head or anything. give some credit where it's due, man. fact of the matter is, the ls1 is still the bar, even after damn near 15 years. i think the new 5.0s are making their way up, but they are still too expensive to own and mod for most guys to consider. especially when you can purchase/mod an lsx car to the same end result for prob 1/4 the money.

I even bolded the damn 346 for him, he just doesn't comprehend anything. I think the next one is at 54XRwhp, might have been 55X however. Then you have 1-2 more in the 53X range... Chrs1313 I *think is number 4-5 at 52XRwhp. All large stalled A4s. Those are all using 100% true factory ls1 blocks, the one at 540Rwhp and the rest under it are all STOCK BOTTOM END and FACTORY LS1 blocks fwiw as well.

HAHA he actually brought up, "Also see some one says best case dyno with 50 degree day etc etc.". Like records aren't set in "perfect" conditions. LOL What a tool.
He actually wants me to waste my time trying to educate him, which is impossible to begin with. It is all at his finger tips why he expects special treatment by getting things handed to him is beyond me. :search:

s346k
04-28-2012, 09:07 AM
I think the next one is at 54XRwhp, might have been 55X however. Then you have 1-2 more in the 53X range... Chrs1313 I *think is number 4-5 at 52XRwhp. All large stalled A4s. Those are all using 100% true factory ls1 blocks, the one at 540Rwhp and the rest under it are all STOCK BOTTOM END and FACTORY LS1 blocks fwiw as well.yeah, i can see chrs1313 laying waste to tsps record. i remember seeing that car at the track before it even had a cam haha how it has progressed is awesome. a factory assembled and installed shortblock car with only 346cid making sub 10 second passes n/a is awesome. i mean, it's not a 5.0 or anything, but still an accomplishment. hell you can buy a complete ls1 rotating assy for what...a few hundred bucks. capable of 9s n/a haha.

69chevelleSS
04-28-2012, 09:08 AM
What had happened was...Ford gave the fan boys a little bigger Dick to work with and they got cocky...lol In reality they are still ass hurt from years of ls1 domination. Except for the ones with "extends" (aka supercharges).
But then on the other hand ls1 guys are still holding on to the past because the new Camaro just does not make the grade. Bottom line is ford got there shit together and deserve to dominate.
Where the hell is dodge?
And the imports? The gtr has to represent them all I guess....

lemons12
04-28-2012, 09:13 AM
yeah, i can see chrs1313 laying waste to tsps record. i remember seeing that car at the track before it even had a cam haha how it has progressed is awesome. a factory assembled and installed shortblock car with only 346cid making sub 10 second passes n/a is awesome. i mean, it's not a 5.0 or anything, but still an accomplishment. hell you can buy a complete ls1 rotating assy for what...a few hundred bucks. capable of 9s n/a haha.
It most definitely will if he doesn't get fed up and go to a stroker, which I can see.
I want to know what DM is going to end up running on motor and what skinny is going to push his stock 5.3 to, absolutely insane.

What had happened was...Ford gave the fan boys a little bigger Dick to work with and they got cocky...lol In reality they are still ass hurt from years of ls1 domination. Except for the ones with "extends" (aka supercharges).
But then on the other hand ls1 guys are still holding on to the past because the new Camaro just does not make the grade. Bottom line is ford got there shit together and deserve to dominate.
Where the hell is dodge?
And the imports? The gtr has to represent them all I guess....
Isn't the ls1s NA record still faster than the Cobras ported Eaton record?
Dodge? The new 392 is nasty.

SmaknaSS
04-28-2012, 10:35 AM
Nice! That's why I still haven't replaced my 01 SS.

MikeWS6
04-28-2012, 12:42 PM
Notice it isn't a LS1. And look what done to it. He said LS1 not a sleeved every thing LS2. So wrong again. Also see some one says best case dyno with 50 degree day etc etc.

Terminators come with Manley H-beam rods, I'd run them in a skinny minute.

Isnt it easier to post on the mustang sites where everyone will agree with you? You guys seem stressed. Im just sayin :)

ohioborn80
04-28-2012, 12:52 PM
Isnt it easier to post on the mustang sites where everyone will agree with you? You guys seem stressed. Im just sayin :)

Nope...I dont agree with them on everything. I knwo on mustangevolution idiots really think there 2006 GT with bolt ons is better then a new GTR/Z06...They was really upset when I said I would trade my car for either.

Heater
04-28-2012, 02:35 PM
I am aware of this. Hence the name, "Redfire".

I know that you used to own a Cobra, doesn't mean that you are well informed.

Haven't heard too many people call Manley rods "junk".





Isnt it easier to post on the mustang sites where everyone will agree with you? You guys seem stressed. Im just sayin :)


No, it's like being surrounded by a bunch of ass kissing "Yes" men. Some people like that as it boosts their ego and makes them feel comfortable not being challenged.

snake95
04-28-2012, 03:25 PM
I know that you used to own a Cobra, doesn't mean that you are well informed.

Haven't heard too many people call Manley rods "junk".








No, it's like being surrounded by a bunch of ass kissing "Yes" men. Some people like that as it boosts their ego and makes them feel comfortable not being challenged.

I remember the first time I saw Kevin (stopsign32v) create a shitstorm on corral talking about cold air intakes :lol: I thought he was a huge chode at first then realized he's a chill dude who knows what he is doing...there's nothing fun about having everybody agree with you and give you the same answer.

whytryz28
04-28-2012, 03:26 PM
Lets be real if Ohio wasn't on this board the SR&K section would not be as fun.

Heater
04-28-2012, 03:32 PM
Lets be real if Ohio wasn't on this board the SR&K section would not be as fun.


What is funny is that he does what he does on here on the Mustang sites as well.


I sit back and laugh at how he gets so many people's panties in a wad. It's like he sets a trap and the same people keep walking into it time after time :jest:

Redfire 03
04-28-2012, 03:43 PM
I know that you used to own a Cobra, doesn't mean that you are well informed.

Haven't heard too many people call Manley rods "junk".








No, it's like being surrounded by a bunch of ass kissing "Yes" men. Some people like that as it boosts their ego and makes them feel comfortable not being challenged.

No fucking surprise what they come with as far as factory internals, and I'm sure you know what I mean when I refer to tused parts as "junk".

Redfire 03
04-28-2012, 03:47 PM
What is funny is that he does what he does on here on the Mustang sites as well.


I sit back and laugh at how he gets so many people's panties in a wad. It's like he sets a trap and the same people keep walking into it time after time :jest:

Be real. He doesn't set a trap, he just says stupid shit because he doesn't know any better.

WannaBcamaroguy
04-28-2012, 03:55 PM
What is funny is that he does what he does on here on the Mustang sites as well.


I sit back and laugh at how he gets so many people's panties in a wad. It's like he sets a trap and the same people keep walking into it time after time :jest:

If thats the case he's nothing but a troll.

B0dyDr0pp3d
04-28-2012, 06:22 PM
If thats the case he's nothing but a troll.

Trolling at its finest.

Heater
04-28-2012, 07:53 PM
No fucking surprise what they come with as far as factory internals, and I'm sure you know what I mean when I refer to tused parts as "junk".

I guess if I knew what you meant, we wouldn't be jawing back and forth.

SSmokin99
04-29-2012, 04:04 AM
Very good runs. Pretty even from Video.
LS1 was the clear winner here and he also had the passenger
I think was pretty close hard to tell who is faster. 5.0 looks like he needs a driver mod but your car runs very well for the mods you have.
Was it hard to tell who was faster? I watched the vid 3 times and the 1st time was already clear to me.
I give the edge to the LS1 in this vid. He comes back after an early hit with the Stang an dhe stays in even if he missed 5th. Oh yeah, let the haters hate. I wonder if this cars can trap 117 with only tires...mmmm
:burn:
tune/intake and re-run, bet he puts two cars on you.
A really stupid comment here. Hey put a built motor and turbos on the Z28 and I bet he puts train lengths on him.
Good runs, your car runs strong for sure for the mods/miles.

I would definitely say that he needs a driver mod though (not hating just being real) and I'd like to see a vid from the inside of his car too lol. I mean you were pulling him up top too and your shifts still could have been faster so that makes me wonder how well he was driving, being he just got the car and all.

Nonetheless good kill. I really like the 2013 5.0's too.
His shifts could be faster, but you have to be driving it:judge:
Driver mod for sure, he should be able to edge you out by at least a couple cars. Awesome runs though. Driver mod is one of the most important.
Really? I thought #'s are just well.... #'s! I've seen plenty of should've out comes.
Did the camaro have an extra passenger? They both looked pretty evenly matched, but hard to tell for sure. I'd say if the equal passengers the GM would have a slight edge.
LOL, it's not hard to tell who was faster and with equal passengers the GM would have a slight edge? It had the slight edge in this video.
More mods+more cubes and not pulling away. Don't see the funny. :(
New technology vs old technology... I see the funny. I'm not hating on the new 5.0's either because I think they're fast in stock form and with bolt-ons they're up there with pullied Cobra's
So the 98 camaro (w/passenger) was pulling a mustang that made 30rwhp more. How is this not a victory for GM and the camaro driver?

98 Z28, clear winner.
About damn time someone watched the same video as me!!!!!!

willizm
04-29-2012, 07:24 AM
^I should have elaborated a bit more but here goes. When someone barely gets pulled on then I don't get why they would call the other car a joke. Now if he put lengths on him in short order that would be a different story. A win is a win, but calling the mustang a joke would also imply the fbody being slightly less of a joke, no?

WhiteKnight '01
04-29-2012, 08:34 AM
^I should have elaborated a bit more but here goes. When someone barely gets pulled on then I don't get why they would call the other car a joke. Now if he put lengths on him in short order that would be a different story. A win is a win, but calling the mustang a joke would also imply the fbody being slightly less of a joke, no?

Who said the Mustang was a joke?

willizm
04-29-2012, 09:01 AM
^I should have elaborated a bit more but here goes. When someone barely gets pulled on then I don't get why they would call the other car a joke. Now if he put lengths on him in short order that would be a different story. A win is a win, but calling the mustang a joke would also imply the fbody being slightly less of a joke, no?

Who said the Mustang was a joke?

Can't beat a 98 with minor bolt ons.... Seems like a joke to me!


Good run OP, finally something that can run and out run ls1's after so many years
done!

odarabla
04-29-2012, 09:17 AM
Very good runs. Pretty even from Video. YOu seem to lose no ground on shifts like he did each time. Now take both to the track...LOL

Oh a nd I don't care for the new fronts. But I want the tail lights.

LS was faster here. Plans for the 5.0?

Good multiple runs!

Ohio I agree..

Lemons is just saying to get under ohio's skin.. lol

They looked pretty even to me.. Those new Mustangs are damn impressive for what they are.